Which airline for Seoul?
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SI
Hi there,

When I run searches on Skyscanner, I see that only Lufthansa has flights to Seoul with just one stop. Air France doesn’t show up, even though I thought the French airline served Seoul? I can’t even log into the Air France website—it keeps glitching.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Everyone flies to Incheon, even Air France... After that, it depends on your preferred departure airport, your schedule, the price you want to pay, and your preferences for certain airlines—whether for personal or ethical reasons. Air France, Korean, T'Way, Asiana, Turkish, KLM, SAS, Lufthansa, LOT, Finnair...

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi Marie,

For direct flights from Paris, you’ve got Air France as well as the Korean airlines Asiana, Korean Air, and T'way (low-cost).

For flights with one stopover, there’s Lufthansa, but also KLM, Finnair, LOT, Turkish Airlines, Swiss, Emirates, Etihad, Qatar Airways, Chinese airlines, and probably others.

You’ve got plenty of options depending on dates and fares!
SI Sinforosa Veteran ·
Hi Michel,

I really like Air France and I’d prefer just one stopover (Paris). For the past two days, I’ve been trying to log onto the Air France website to check schedules and prices, but I can’t seem to do it.

I also saw LOT for Seoul—I took it to go to Poland. Someone who flies with them very often told me there are often delays.
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Michel (Tatra) just shared some options before me.

I see you're near Nice. Out of all the airlines I mentioned, only the Korean, Chinese, and Etihad don’t serve Nice.
SI Sinforosa Veteran ·
Hi Jérôme,

I found it surprising that Air France doesn’t serve Seoul. As soon as I can log onto the site, I’ll check the schedules and prices—I usually fly Air France.
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
If you really love flying Air France, there’s no debate. If you're interested in flying SkyTeam for mileage accumulation, check out the KLM option, which for me has a major advantage: the return flight is in the evening and overnight, instead of Air France’s morning departure with a loooong daytime flight. I took this KLM flight recently, and it was great to have the last day in Seoul and be able to sleep for almost half the flight to Amsterdam. When I travel to this part of Northeast Asia, I now avoid those overly long daytime flights. Since the war in Ukraine—except for Chinese airlines (and maybe a few others)—flying over Russia is no longer allowed, and flight times have gotten longer by taking a southern route via Central Asia.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

I agree with the KLM idea if the plan is to earn miles on the SkyTeam program. Just a heads-up, though—when you buy an Air France or KLM ticket, it’s really tough to get them to link another SkyTeam alliance card besides Flying Blue. I think it’s actually impossible. KLM does have a proper premium economy, with way more space, though.

Personally, I think it’s a shame to fly Air France and get stuck in the mess of Roissy when you’ve got an airport near you with solid global connections. Even if the onboard experience with LOT is just okay, Warsaw Airport is a dream—so simple. Finnair, Turkish Airlines, they’re on another level, especially when it comes to service.

Michel
GI Gilmau Regular ·
Hi, A little addition to what’s just been said: The Korean flight is direct from CDG to Seoul. The airline is a member of SkyTeam. That means: Flying Blue miles, and likely the option to book through the Air France website, in "code share." It’ll then be an AF flight number, with ticket issuance and check-in on an AF connecting flight from Nice Airport. I took this flight a few years ago and have great memories of it. Best regards
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi Harry,

Korea itself is a good idea. The airline is a member of SkyTeam, like Air France and KLM. You can buy tickets on the Air France or KLM website, but it’s really difficult—if not impossible—to add your Korean Air frequent flyer card if you’re logged into Flying Blue. That’s not great... I also doubt the miles will be credited to Flying Blue, since most of the time they aren’t awarded if the flight is operated by a partner airline. Seat selection and other services might also be restricted. In short, it’s worth thinking about—booking a ticket with one airline when the flight(s) are operated by a partner can lead to a number of inconveniences and a lower level of service.

Michel
SI Sinforosa Veteran ·
Thanks everyone for your tips—I see I’ve got plenty of options! I’ll check the schedules, layover times, and prices before deciding.
EN Envallis Globetrotter ·
Thanks everyone for your advice—I see I’m spoiled for choice! I’ll check the schedules, layover times, and prices before deciding.

Yeah, that’s always the way to go :P

I did a round-trip to Seoul with Air France two years ago: the 14-hour flight back to CDG flew by, and I was impressed by the comfort of the new 777 cabin.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

The 777s with amazing comfort? I’d love to hear more—can you elaborate? After all, they’re still 3-4-3 configurations. What won you over?

Personally, I first check what you mentioned: the flight itself, its quirks, the interesting bits, the aircraft type, connection opportunities, and the mileage value. But I’m a bit of an avgeek

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
I did a round-trip to Seoul with Air France two years ago: the 14-hour return flight to CDG flew by—blown away by the comfort of the new 777 cabin.

Definitely business class 😉 Right now, AF is using the A350 with a much newer and more adapted cabin. 14 hours or so of daytime flying is still *sooooo* long.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Definitely business class 😄 Right now, AF is flying the A350 with a much newer and more comfortable cabin. Even so, 14 hours or so of daytime flying is still *sooooo* long.

To each their own, I guess—I actually prefer daytime flights. I don’t sleep on planes anyway, not even in business class. Plus, most planes have Wi-Fi now, which makes a big difference.

Still, I’m a little disappointed—you didn’t really share much about your positive experience!

At the end of the day, whether it’s an A350 or a 787-9, it’s not just about the plane model. The vibe on board and the service matter more. Korean Air uses the 787-9, right?

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi Michel,

Everyone has their own tastes, and since I prefer daytime flights—I don’t sleep on planes anyway, not even in business;

Unlike you, I do sleep on flights, which is why I prefer overnight flights, especially on the return from Northeast Asia where I travel regularly.

and now most planes have Wi-Fi, which really changes things.

I’m one of those people who no longer wants to be connected all the time 😅 Plus, I don’t really have a reason to be anymore 😅 So honestly, in-flight Wi-Fi doesn’t matter much to me.

Still, I’m a little disappointed—you don’t really explain much about your positive experience.

That’s because I haven’t flown AF (Air France) on this route in quite a while.

My last trip to ICN in September was on KLM’s 777-300 in premium economy. Duo seats 👍, takeoff from Seoul around 10:30 PM, which was perfect, great cabin crew 👍, stayed at the Crown Plaza, and arrived feeling fresh. As for the catering, I barely touch it since I eat in the lounge and only have breakfast, which is way better than AF’s anyway.

Before that, it was Turkish Airlines with a departure from Seoul around 11 PM, and no complaints there either.

After all, with an A350 or a 787-9, it’s not so much the brand of the plane that matters, but the atmosphere on board and the service.

And most importantly, the seats and IFE for people who don’t use their laptop or phone.

AF has started upgrading the first, business, and premium economy seats on their 777-300s, but it’s not yet rolled out across all aircraft. And nothing for economy class yet.

https://wwws.airfrance.fr/information/prepare/nos-avions/b777-nouveau-siege-business

Korean Air uses the 787-9, right?

I’ve never taken KE on a long-haul flight, only regionally to Japan and domestically to Jeju, where they often use wide-body aircraft to meet demand.

Korean Air has a variety of aircraft, including the 787-9, and they deploy them based on demand and season. They’re one of the rare airlines still operating the 747-8 (alongside Lufthansa and Air China), sometimes on the CDG route in the summer.
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi Jérôme,

Unlike you, I sleep on flights, which is why I prefer these overnight flights, especially on the return from Northeast Asia where I travel regularly.

You’re really lucky!

I’m one of those people who no longer want to be connected all the time 😅 And I don’t really have any reason to be anymore 😅 So, honestly, onboard Wi-Fi doesn’t matter much to me.

It’s been a long time since I last watched a movie on an airplane’s IFE. The position, sure, but not the rest. I also have the feeling—just from observation, no hard evidence—that IFE development has kind of stalled, and far fewer passengers use it. I also eat at the lounge—though the Crown Lounges in Amsterdam aren’t great—but onboard, the meal is more of a bonus, a surprise, something to try, a commercial offering, a signature that helps pass the time. Hunger isn’t really the point, in my opinion. I’ve got a long-haul coming up on Turkish Airlines: outbound on a 787-9, return on a 777. That said, if I manage to catch the 1h05 connection in Istanbul. Departure at 9:35 AM on the outbound, evening departure on the return.

Michel
EN Envallis Globetrotter ·
I did a round-trip to Seoul with Air France two years ago: the 14-hour return flight to CDG flew by, blown away by the comfort of the new 777 cabin.

Definitely business class 😄 Right now, AF is using the A350 with a much newer and more suitable cabin. A 14-hour daytime flight is still *so* long though.

I don’t usually pick AF for long-haul because of a few silly biases—I had a booking with Korean but through a sharecode, and after a schedule change, I had to switch and ended up with AF flights. I can confirm they were 777s.

I found the staff really friendly, it was comfortable, and obviously, there was a huge selection of French movies for the kids/teens. We actually got some decent rest (especially since it was a trip with 7- and 10-hour layovers in Seoul, with kids). In the end, I realized that traveling within a French ecosystem isn’t so bad compared to foreign airlines where things feel less familiar. I’d struggle to chat for half an hour with a Qatar Airways flight attendant 😏 The 14-hour flight was the return, which was overnight ;) Though we did have a 13-hour daytime flight on the way there :P

Anyway, I flew with Cathay this summer, still in economy—it’s really another level ;)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Mickaël,

What you're saying is interesting because it clearly outlines different passenger profiles... clever 😏. I already don’t like Air France for domestic or European flights, so I can’t imagine enduring a long-haul flight in a French atmosphere, with cues that at best escape me and at worst annoy me. To be honest, I think I’ve only flown back from Japan once with Air France, upstairs in a 747, no less—but still separated from my preferred travel companion. The last few times I flew with them, I was struck by the long, sugary spiels about safety instructions—at least three times more chatter than an airline that would give them simply in English. It seemed like more things were banned than elsewhere. And then, "salty or sweet?"—I’ve always found that so hypocritical. Just don’t serve anything, but skip the theatrics. My last European flight was Warsaw to Paris, and it was particularly dreadful for reasons I’d rather not get into here. In short, I only fly with them when I really have no other choice—like when a KLM purchase puts them on a codeshare... Cathay, I think I’ve flown with them four times, but that was thirty years ago, so I can’t really comment. But they do have a good reputation.

Michel
ER Erjome Globetrotter ·
Hi Michel,

You're really lucky

I adapt as much as I can to the destination's time zone to be immediately operational.

It’s been a long time since I last watched a movie on an airplane’s IFE; the position, yes, but not the rest.

I also watch movies very rarely. Maybe a music channel just to switch things up from my playlist. Plus, it depends on the airline. I just took 4 Air China premium flights to Taiwan, and the movie selection was more or less okay (French and English versions), even though I didn’t watch any. For the music channels, though, no international artists. Also, a layover in Beijing where there’s a lot to say, but I won’t go into it here to avoid going off-topic. Like you, I watch the Geovision—it helps me settle in and manage my rest times.

I have the feeling, just from observation without any proof to show you, that the development of IFE systems is a bit stalled, and far fewer passengers use them.

When I walk around the cabin, I still see that the vast majority of screens are on.

I also eat at the lounge—by the way, the Crown Lounges in Amsterdam aren’t great

I like transiting through Amsterdam—it’s functional and human-sized. Spending 3 or 4 hours there to avoid rushing, take a shower, and grab a bite is something I really appreciate.

But on board, the meal is more like a bonus, a surprise, something to try, a commercial offering, a signature that helps pass the time. Hunger isn’t really the point, in my opinion.

I agree with you.

I have a long-haul flight coming up on Turkish Airlines; outbound on a 787-9, return on a 777. If I manage to catch the 1h05 connection in Istanbul.

You’re used to Istanbul, no problem 😄. Me, much less. I find it too big, and there’s always a lot of taxiing, whether arriving or departing. And for people without lounge access, it’s one of the most expensive airports if you want to eat or drink anything. But I do like flying TK depending on the destination and opportunities. For example, the schedules for Seoul are perfect for me. Arriving around 6 PM in Seoul, I head to the Best Western Airport hotel I know well, grab dinner there, and the next day, I go back to the airport to pick up the rental car. The return flight around 11 PM is also great.

I’m settling in for a few weeks before taking Qatar Airways to Australia, with some "avgeek" highlights on the agenda: a 787-9 and A380 to Sydney, and a return from Adelaide on an A350-9 and 787-9. It’s been a while since I’ve flown them, and I’m curious to see if they live up to all the praise summarized by Skytrax.

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