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UnaMilanese 5 months ago · Attila
Bright red and a headache
Hello 🙂

I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.

Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.

A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.

"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"

I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.

But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.

Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.

Catherine
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Aquiceara 10 months ago · Espaces
Hitchhiking in the 70s-80s


“Hey, your Marker... - My Marker? - The one you used to make hitchhiking signs.”

The marker in question is sitting proudly on the kitchen table. Marielle found it at the bottom of a moving box.

I’ve been meaning to tell the long story of my love affair with hitchhiking for years. Here we go.

To be honest, I’m not quite sure when it started. My earliest memory goes back to a fair with a bike race in my maternal grandparents’ village. I was with my cousin, my little sister, and three girl cousins. There were six of us, ages ranging from six or seven to thirteen or fourteen. Our parents stayed at the fair, and we’d had enough. So we decided to walk home. Only it was four kilometers away. So we hitchhiked. A guy driving an old car picked us all up and dropped us off at the farm. He probably found it amusing to see us thumbing a ride by the side of the road, but maybe it also worried him a bit. With everything you read in the papers...

Around fifteen or sixteen, I started hitchhiking regularly, alone or with a friend, to go to the nearby town. But it was especially when I started boarding school in Orléans that it became more regular. The first year, I’d leave Monday morning and come back Saturday noon by bus. It was an old, uncomfortable bus where we froze in winter. To make matters worse, I often got motion sickness if, as was too often the case, I ended up sitting in the back. In the spring, a high school friend suggested I hitchhike back. It meant a slight detour, but the advantage was taking only national roads.

So that’s how, from the end of tenth grade to twelfth grade, I’d thumb a ride every Saturday on the Pont de Bourgogne. Drivers were used to seeing young people hitchhiking, and it worked pretty well. Our biggest fear? Soldiers! At that time, military service was still mandatory, and on weekends, it wasn’t rare to see them competing with us. They’d keep their uniforms on to go home. That gave people confidence—with everything you read in the papers—and they’d rarely wait more than five minutes. We, with our long hair, were definitely less popular. From time to time, three big red-faced guys in a van coming back from a construction site would flip us off, yelling things like “go get a haircut, you bums!” Those were the good old days.

We still had a good laugh, though. Patrice, the friend I’d hitchhike back from school with on Saturdays, is a musician—I’d later discover he’s an excellent composer. A die-hard Beatles fan, he knows their repertoire by heart and spends his time singing at the top of his lungs while we thumb a ride. One Saturday late morning, we’d been waiting for a while at the exit of Châteauneuf-sur-Loire when a little lady came up to him and asked if he could please sing a little quieter: a baby was sleeping in the house. He put on the most sorry face: “Oh, sorry ma’am, we didn’t realize.” No sooner had the lady gone back inside than he started again. Luckily, a car stopped just then, sparing me the embarrassment of seeing the lady come back out.

Saturday was also the day when the cigarette pack was dangerously low. So before leaving, we’d go buy some “Parisiennes,” the “P4s” as we called them back then. They were slightly thinner cigarettes with a mix of tobacco scraps. Sometimes they tasted like light tobacco, sometimes like dark. Not great, but by the end of the week, our pocket money was gone. They were sold in small packs of four, hence the name P4. We’d only pay 20 centimes. On Saturdays, it was rare for the two of us to manage to scrape together 1.50 F to buy a whole pack of Gauloises...

The last twenty kilometers, I’d usually do alone, Patrice having reached his destination. From time to time, luck would smile on me: an acquaintance would just happen to pass by and stop. One January Saturday, at the exit of Gien, I ran into another guy from Argenton whom I knew a little. That day, the weather was nice, but the temperature was well below zero. It was around noon, and it was the off-peak hour. We were shivering, stamping our feet by the side of the road, when a Citroën “Tube” arrived: it was his father’s boss’s, a mason. They were both sitting in the front, but since they were obese, they had us climb onto the open back. Even though we huddled against the cab to shelter from the wind, the twenty kilometers felt very long, especially since we were only going sixty kilometers an hour. Our hands and cheeks were blue when we finally arrived.

The year I took my baccalaureate, a friend with a 2CV would take me Monday mornings with one or two others we’d pick up in nearby villages. We’d share the gas costs, but it was still cheaper than the bus. And in winter, the bus was my nightmare. You had to get up at five to catch it at six. Not enough sleep, and outside it was freezing or raining—or both. The 2CV was luxury. Plus, Philippe would pick me up at home. On the other hand, since I didn’t have class Saturday mornings—well, I did, but we only had PE the first two hours and nothing after—I’d skip class and slip out right after breakfast to thumb a ride at the Pont de Bourgogne.

Those three high school years were formative in this optional subject that was hitchhiking. Little by little, I learned the rules of the game. First, you shouldn’t walk along the road while thumbing. Cars go too fast and can’t stop easily. Accepting a ride that’s too short is also a no-go. The guy who offers to take you a little way but drops you off at some vague crossroads in the middle of nowhere? No thanks. You need to get dropped off in a town. If it’s a fairly big city, you often have to cross it from one end to the other, but it’s better. At the exit, you have to choose your spot well. Actually, you have to put yourself in the driver’s shoes: they need to see you early enough, not be going too fast, and be able to stop easily without risking an accident. So when leaving a city, it’s better not to go too far. It’s wiser to find a spot where cars go slowly and can stop easily. And preferably near a café. The café is for when you still have a few coins for a coffee and need to warm up. From time to time, you’d run into someone nice who’d make a detour to drop you off at a better spot to start again. Finally, if possible, avoid hitchhiking on Sundays. Cars are packed with whole families who, most of the time, aren’t going far. And then there’s the little worry of those people who rarely leave home: with everything you read in the papers...

During those high school years, it was only short trips, rarely exceeding a hundred kilometers. Later, I aimed bigger, and things were a bit different. In 1973-74, I crossed part of France for the first time on two or three occasions, coming back from the German border or returning to Bordeaux, where we lived briefly. Since there weren’t many highways back then, we took national roads. It was during these trips that I realized it was better to leave in the evening. As I said earlier, Sunday is to be avoided, but on weekdays, there’s another problem: if you leave in the morning, you only make short hops. First, it often takes longer to get going because drivers are people going to work nearby. Which brings us back to those who drop you off in a bad spot, far from everything. There, you have to know how to refuse. You thank the driver for stopping—oh, if only everyone could be like you—while explaining why you’d rather stay put. People don’t take offense, by the way. Those who pick up hitchhikers often hitchhiked themselves when they were in the military or before they had a car. In the late afternoon, you’d often run into salespeople or truckers, in other words, people who drive a lot. At that time, salespeople no longer had appointments and were more relaxed. They wanted to talk about something other than the merits of their products. On the radio, it was time for *Les Grosses Têtes*. You’d also quite often run into small business owners, professionals, or even hippies. The conversations were pleasant and often enriching. A little later in the evening, truckers would take over. They’d already driven a few hundred kilometers, and the depot or customs was still far away. So they’d gladly take a hitchhiker to stay awake at the wheel and chat. The radio with Max Ménier’s show *Les routiers sont sympas*, you’d eventually get tired of it. So a hitchhiker was a change. Others, who’d hit the road at midnight to be at their destination by morning, were nice and offered to let you lie down on the bunk while they drove. When you’d been hitchhiking since six in the evening, freezing in the wind between two vehicles, you weren’t unhappy to take a little nap.

Speaking of Max Ménier, he’d often make announcements for hitchhikers. One evening, I called him. It was getting late, and I still had quite a way to go. No luck: the show had ended for good the day before!

In short, it’s better not to rush, sleep in, and leave after lunch, or better yet, in the late afternoon. Obviously, I’m talking about when you have several hundred kilometers to cover. That’s when you have to play it pro.

First thing, especially at night, but it also applies in the middle of summer when the light is blinding: dress to be seen from far away. I’ll admit I have an advantage over most other hitchhikers: I’m small and don’t scare people. To balance that out, racist drivers often take me for an Arab and are less likely to pick me up, but overall, the balance tips in my favor. Back to the need to be seen: at night, I wear light-colored clothes. In headlights, you can see me from far away.

Second thing: travel light. Forget the big backpack with a frame. Drivers don’t always have room in the trunk or on the back seat, especially if it’s rained and the ground is wet. Plus, it forces them to get out of the car. If they’re nice enough to pick up a hitchhiker, you shouldn’t ask for too much either.

Third thing: bring a cardboard sign and a big marker—like the ones in the photo at the start of this post—to write the name of your destination. In the early 80s, I ran a tourist house in the Cher, but I lived in the Netherlands. In the off-season, it was only open on weekends. On Fridays, I’d leave Holland and return on Mondays. 1200 km round trip. On the way there, in Paris, I’d stand at Porte de la Chapelle. At that spot, the road is very wide, and drivers could stop easily. Obviously, on the sign, I didn’t write Eindhoven, which not everyone knows, and even less Amsterdam because of its seedy reputation. In that case, you’d expect to see a police car stop and two officers in kepis ask for your papers. So as a first destination, I’d write Compiègne. We were well out of Paris, and since it wasn’t too far, a trucker or salesperson was less reluctant to stop. Once past Compiègne, I’d take out my Lille sign. Once in Belgium, it wasn’t really necessary to use a sign anymore, since everyone was going in the same direction. Usually, the guy who picked me up at Porte de la Chapelle would say he wasn’t going far but could take me a little way. Before that, I’d still ask if there was a gas station on the highway where he could drop me off before exiting. While talking, the guy would realize he wasn’t dealing with a dangerous criminal. He’d pretend to check his watch, think for a moment, then say that actually, he was going to Belgium and could take me to the border or a little beyond. To leave Paris on the way back, I’d take the train to Melun, where it was easier to hitchhike than at Porte d’Italie.

Over all those years, I think I was pretty lucky. Or maybe philosophical enough not to imagine a car would stop after a few minutes. An hour’s wait was average. Sure, I sometimes waited three, four, or five hours. Most often at odd hours and in terrible weather. When it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. But there’s always a moment when things pick up. Sure, when you’re soaked in freezing rain in the early morning after a sleepless night, you’re less philosophical than when I’m writing these lines comfortably at my computer, but it still holds true.

Earlier, I mentioned clothing and the importance of being well-rested before leaving. When you’ve eaten well and just gotten out of the shower, shaved, you’re in a better mood. And somehow, drivers sense it. Or at least, that’s the impression I’ve always had. It’s better to look in shape than disgusted at standing there, half-heartedly thumbing a ride. In short, when I’d start to get fed up with waiting, I’d go into the first café I saw for a coffee. Coming back out, I’d be refreshed, and most of the time, a car would stop within minutes. I’ve often said that when I stood by the side of the road thumbing a ride, I felt a bit like a gambler in front of a slot machine. It was a matter of giving luck a chance. And well, it worked out pretty well.

Then, there are countries where hitchhiking works really well and others where it’s harder. In the 70s-80s, it worked best in Germany and England. In the late afternoon, it wasn’t rare to be invited for tea. Well, that was in England. Tea meant being offered room and board. In Germany, they’d offer you coffee. Once there, they’d first show you the guest room and point out the bathroom before sitting you down in front of a big plate of cold cuts. In the evening, they’d go out in town, and the next morning, they’d usually drop you off at a good spot for hitchhiking. On the other hand, in Mediterranean and Scandinavian countries, you’d better be patient. In Spain or Italy, it’s better to take the train, which was dirt cheap back then. However, if you’re a couple traveling light, it’s already easier in most countries.

In 1982, I went on a trip around Turkey with my girlfriend. We only had two small bags, which was plenty. It was November-December, and we wore our warm, bulky clothes. Leaving Eindhoven at nine in the morning, we arrived in Graz, near the Yugoslav border, at eleven at night. 1300 km in a day! In just four or five vehicles. One to the German border, about fifty kilometers from Eindhoven, the second to Hagen in the Ruhr, the third to Salzburg, and the last to Graz at the Yugoslav border. Record broken. During the night crossing of Yugoslavia, we ran into a trucker close to retirement who lent us the truck’s bunk. So we arrived fresh and rested near Skopje the next morning. We continued to Thessaloniki in northern Greece before taking the train to Istanbul. In Turkey, we traveled a good part of the country by hitchhiking too. With truckers in old, overloaded, slow trucks that climbed hills at fifteen kilometers an hour, but also in cars where five or six people were already crammed in. And every time, we were invited for tea. Once, we were even picked up by a big shot in his Mercedes with a chauffeur. Until then, the average speed was around fifty kilometers an hour. There, we were going two hundred. On a national road, not a nice European highway.

I’ve also hitchhiked in Nepal, from Lumbini, Buddha’s birthplace, to a village on the way to Pokhara. It must have been midday. No bus until the next day. I gave it a try. A small truck overloaded with rice sacks, with two or three young people already perched on top, stopped. I rode on the roof of the cab. At fifty kilometers an hour when it was going well, with a breathtaking view. Coming back from India, I also crossed part of Iran by hitchhiking, from Tehran to the Turkish border. I did this trip with an Austrian I met at the hotel who, like me, had to watch his pennies. We gave it a shot. There was almost no traffic, but to our great surprise, the first car that passed in the area would always stop. They’d just ask for a modest contribution for gas, and it cost next to nothing.

Sometimes, you get scared too. After leaving Turkey in early December 82, we spent about two weeks in the southern Peloponnese harvesting olives. A few days before Christmas, we hitchhiked back to Holland. A girl picked us up in her little Fiat 500. We were driving on a mountain road, and that morning there was a bit of black ice. After crossing a pass, we saw the old Ford Taunus ahead of us at fifty meters start to skid. The driver let out a “heeee!” while grabbing my knees. I reflexively grabbed the wheel. Finally, the Taunus got back on track. And we didn’t swerve. But those few seconds felt very long.

In January 77, while I’d been living in Germany for a few months, I decided to spend a few days in Italy. By hitchhiking, of course. I left in the early afternoon, and by ten at night, I wasn’t far from Frankfurt. I saw a big Mercedes stop. The four or five young people crammed inside were listening to Schlager at full volume. Beer cans littered the floor. They didn’t have a precise destination, and as long as they were going south, that was fine with me. They’d finished their military service that very day and had clearly already celebrated their discharge. The driver was going 160, zigzagging dangerously from one side of the highway to the other. I should have realized he wasn’t entirely sober either. Luckily, there was almost no traffic. Finally, I managed to get dropped off at a gas station just before Frankfurt, relieved. I hope their trip didn’t end tragically.

Another time, coming back from Holland with my wife, we were picked up early in the morning near Senlis by two guys from Lille. They were going to work near Tours and could drop us off at Porte d’Italie. Apparently, they were coworkers but barely knew each other. The driver offered us a beer—at six in the morning, sure!—before opening another can for himself. He was clearly having trouble staying in the right lane. We politely declined, the passenger too. Everyone was tense. Luckily, it was rush hour on the ring road, and we were going slowly. When we got out of the car, the passenger said goodbye with the look of a guy being offered the condemned man’s rum and cigarette.

Finally, there are the annoying remarks from drivers who are either gay when you’re alone or turned on by the sight of your girlfriend when you’re a couple. In those cases, I’d get in the back so the guy wouldn’t feel too confident. And if the conversation got a little too suggestive, we’d deflect until we got dropped off.

And luckily, there are the times, not so rare after all, when you run into really nice people who invite you to eat and sleep at their place and drive you to a good spot the next morning. In Germany and England, that was common. And then there are the big strokes of luck, like during our trip to Turkey when we crossed most of Germany in one car, or that other time when some Germans drove me from the exit of Geneva all the way to the Costa Brava.

Going back to “with everything you read in the papers” and its variant “with everything you see on TV”—and now on the internet—it’s always left me perplexed. Personally, I’ve never heard of hitchhikers assaulting drivers, even if it may have happened. On the other hand, what was most common were hitchhikers being assaulted, especially girls. Anyway, even armed, it seems a bit stupid to assault the driver—wouldn’t that risk causing an accident?

Finally, since that time, I’ve occasionally wanted to hitchhike somewhere far away in France. Most often, too busy with work, it never happened, but the nostalgia hasn’t completely disappeared.

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Other Hitchhikers

And then one day, I... settled down to become a driver myself. Ten years had passed, and you saw fewer and fewer hitchhikers. Or maybe I saw fewer because I had a regular job and wasn’t traveling the same way. And then I understood a few things.

Several times, I was tempted to pick up a hitchhiker, but they didn’t meet the required conditions. They were walking along the road instead of staying at the exit of the previous town. Hard to stop without risking an accident. Or the guy looked really scruffy. Or he was sulking, if not both. Then you think of that famous “with everything you read in the papers.” Not that I was scared, but unfortunately, the few hitchhikers I did pick up later were rarely interesting.

A few years ago, we picked up a young guy at the exit of a small town in Sologne. Not an easy spot for hitchhiking. Bad luck, he was a pretentious little jerk. He was barely 20 or 25 and talked like a bitter old man. He was a waiter in a restaurant. According to him, it was lucky he was there, otherwise the boss would have closed up shop long ago. You’d think he had thirty or forty years of professional experience behind him. As we approached Blois, he started ranting about Arabs, blaming them for all evils. And he laid it on thick. That morning, we were going to a teenager’s funeral who had just committed suicide, so he really got on our nerves, Mr. Know-It-All. Out of anger, I dropped him off next to a shopping center a few kilometers from downtown. Not nice, but it felt good.

Some time ago, we were driving around the Limousin on a Sunday to try out the used Twingo we’d just bought. We picked up a guy in his forties. A German who spoke French well. He started talking about the environment. He was a green Khmer. He got worked up all by himself with his pseudo-eco rant and, after a few kilometers, was almost yelling at us. As we were about to leave the main road for a small one, I dropped him off at a crossroads in the middle of nowhere. Normally, I would have made a little detour to take him to a better spot, but this time, I didn’t feel like doing the... eco-warrior a favor.

On the other hand, I’ve still done my good deed a few times. One June morning, coming back from Orléans, I saw a man in his sixties hitchhiking. The poor guy had had a rough time. He was from Montpellier and was coming back from Caen, where he’d been promised a job. Once there, they bluntly told him the position was already taken, and he had to go back. Except he didn’t have enough money left for the train. He’d spent the night hitchhiking without success. I could only take him as far as Lamotte-Beuvron, where I dropped him off near the fire station. Apparently, there was some vague shelter there or something, but it only opened a few hours later. In the meantime, he settled on the grass in a corner to sleep a little. While he was doing that, I quickly went to the train station to check the price of a ticket to Montpellier. It was within my means. Since he was sound asleep, I slipped the train ticket and 100 francs into his pocket. I couldn’t imagine him continuing to hitchhike all the way to Montpellier. And I bet he didn’t even have a piece of cardboard and a marker!

When we go to Brazil, we usually rent a small car. One day, we were coming back from Paracuru to Fortaleza when we saw a whole family hitchhiking. Two adults and two or three small children. Here near the equator, the sun sets very quickly, and it would soon be night. There was little traffic, and trucks wouldn’t stop because there was no room in the cab. As for the rich people driving big 4x4s, they wouldn’t stoop to picking up the lower classes. The only hope for this kind of family was usually a farmer or artisan who’d let them ride in the back of his pickup. Obviously, they were a bit surprised to see us. Everyone crammed in as best they could in the back of our little car. When we dropped them off, we got a whole string of “Deus lhes abençõe”—God bless you.

Still in Brazil, we were on the road from Barreirinhas to São Luís do Maranhão. About 150 km of deserted road with an isolated mud house here and there. A young woman flagged us down. She was very pregnant and had to get to the clinic twenty or thirty kilometers away to give birth. Someone was supposed to drive her, but the first signs of labor started earlier than expected, and the driver was unavailable. Even driving fast, we weren’t feeling great: it would be just our luck if she gave birth in the car!

Today, we’re in the age of smartphones and carpooling apps. Safety. With everything you see on TV... Three or four years ago, we signed up on a platform. Our first, and only, “client” was a little jerk who didn’t say a word the whole trip. No hello, no goodbye, and certainly no thank you. The next day, we found his Ray-Bans in the car. We didn’t run after him to give them back. Ha!
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Ambre1961 6 years ago · Sawadeebaht
La situation des femmes à Oman
😠 Bonjour,

J'ai regardé cet après-midi un documentaire sur le Sultanat d'Oman et j'ai été fortement choquée !C'est un peu difficile à expliquer mais ce pays est profondément "masculinisé", les femmes existent à peine, ce sont de véritables esclaves de ces messieurs et celà n'a pas l'air de les déranger plus, ni les hommes mais surtout encore moins les femmes. Elles restent confinées dans des cases, habillées entièrement de noir, on voit juste les yeux et une partie du nez pour respirer et encore. Ces messieurs dansent, chantent, font la fête, discutent trafic de chèvres, de dromadaires, se baignent presque nus........ Sur les images , à part trois femmes en noir en train de cuisiner, je n'ai vu que des hommes sur un documentaire de 35'. Je n'arrive pas à y croire ! A notre époque, ce genre de vie me révulse et ne venez pas me dire que c'est leur religion qui font celà. Messieurs tous puissants !!!!!! C'est abject.
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Albinia 6 years ago · Levelo
Hippie Trail, les chemins de Katmandou
Bonjour à tous,

J'ai lu que le "hippie trail" avait fini avec la révolution iranienne (et l'invasion russe en Afghanistan) en 1979. Mais est-ce que cela veut dire que l'Iran ne fournissait plus de visas aux touristes indépendants dans les années 80 ? Ou juste que les compagnies qui proposaient des trips en bus (cf. Magic Bus) n'étaient plus autorisés à entreprendre ce voyage (ou n'osaient plus, ou n'avaient plus assez de clients courageux) ?

Merci d'avance pour vos réponses, c'est un sujet qui m'intéresse beaucoup, mes parents s'étant rencontrés sur cette route vers cette époque-là... 😛
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Ninasenini 7 years ago · VoyageForum
Voyage en Palestine: la sécurité , toujours la sécurité
chers membres, bonjour à tous,

En juillet, je suis allée en Palestine, un de mes plus beaux voyages, beaucoup d'émotions.... Mon voyage commence donc à l'aéroport de Roissy Charles De Gaulle : j'arrive très tôt, pour un vol à 18h, les guichets d'enregistrement ouvrent à 15 h , je suis donc une des premières. des jeunes dames souriantes pour m'accueillir aux pupitres (oui avant d'acceder à l'enregistrement, nous sommes interrogés ) 2 jeunes dames souriantes, avec un accent :) que je devine , évidemment, et là commence un interrogatoire, avec des questions, qui n'ont rien à voir avec le voyage, Où je travaille, avec qui , combien de personnes dans votre bureau, leur nom, (vérification de mon lieu de travail sur Google ) , preuve , (j'avais ma carte professionnel dans mon sac , mais insuffisant, (avez vous une fiche de paie ? 😏 hummm, est ce que qqn voyage avec ses fiches de paie ? chez qui allez vous ? ... il y a t il des arabes sur votre lieu de travail, fréquentez vous des arabes, parlez vous arabes , avez vous des liens avec des pays arabes, où sont vos parents, votre date de naissance est elle la bonne ? non non, je suis née hier .. Pourquoi voyagez vous en Turquie ? connaissez vous des turques ? :( je répond calmement à toutes les questions, puis la jeune dame me propose une pause, et m'indique "la boulangerie Paul " où je vais prendre un café... Un beau jeune homme souriant m'aborde et me demande où je me rend, mais je lui répond que j'atteris à Tel aviv, sans en dire plus..; je rejoins donc la dame ensuite, puisque j'avais une demi heure de pause, mais elle me fait attendre, puisqu'elle s'occupe des voyageurs (juifs ) sourire, bagage autorisé, ect... Je suis donc l'avant dernière, elle m'emmène vers un long couloir où se trouve des bureaux , et on me fait rentrer dans ce drôle de bureau, sombre, je rencontre d'aillleurs ce beau jeune homme aux sourires parfait, parlant hébreux, en fait, il me suivait tout simplement et travaillais avec la sécurité..; je regarde les 2 jeunes dames, enfiler des gants, une à ma droite, et une à ma gauche .. elles me fouillent les cheveux, mèches par mèches, puis je dois enlever le haut, chemise, .. et soutien gorge, ensuite chaussure, pantalon, me reste que ma fine culotte, chaque vêtement est passé au scanner, couture vérifié, porte feuille, billet, bijoux, tout passe au scanner, même moi, et là je me demande si , toute nu, si je sonne, est ce que je vais passer sur la table d'opération pour une ouverture de l'abdomen... je reste souriante, car je suis dotée d'une patience démesurée, elles me complimentent sur ma gentillesse et patience, mais au fond de moi, elles me dégoutent, enfin cela se termine, nous passons à l'enregistrement du bagage, ... il est donc interdit pour moi, et juste pour moi de monter quoi que se soit dans l'avion , pour raison de sécurité... mais les cousins ont eu droit de monter bagages, sandwichs, plats .. tout.... mais en insistant , j'ai pu prendre mon portefeuille, et bien sûr mon telephone, mais sans chargeur, sait on jamais, le chargeur peu exploser..

je suis escortée jusqu'à mon siège, les gens me regardent, oui, je suis suspectée de quelques choses que j'ignore... on me souhaite tout de même bon voyage.. l'avion a donc 2 heures de retard, puisque j'ai été interrogé et fouillé de 15h à 20 h j'arrive à Tel aviv, vers 2h , sans rien, plus de batterie de téléphone, pas même mon nom d'hôtel , ma réservation.. rien... à la main, mon telephone, mon portefeuille, j'attends ma valise.. rien, pas de valise... je suis étonnée d'ailleurs qu'aucune police vienne me récupérer.; sait on jamais... Une famille d'origine palestinienne décide de m'aider, et me donne un chargeur de téléphone, et m'aide à remplir des papiers , (langue hébreux) ces palestiniens parlent hébreux.. ma valise est perdue parait il .. et je suis perdue.. dans l'aeroport.. il est 4 h du matin.. j'ai chargé mon téléphone, j'ai pu appeler qqn qui est venu me chercher pour jerusalem

3 jours plus tard, je récupère ma valise après de nombreux appels.. je rencontre 2 jeunes françaises chrétiennes, venues pour leur pèlerinage, idem, valise confisqué, nous récupérons donc nos valises, et en ouvrant.. surprise, tout à été fouillé, et en plus on nous a volé des affaires, les jeunes filles sont effrayées, car j'informe le personnel, qui accuse la France de nous avoir pris nos affaires, je rectifie que ce n'est pas la France qui a fouillé nos bagages, mais bien chez eux.. ils m'insultent d'antisémite et me menace d'appeler la police... il part d'ailleurs appeler la police pour nous faire peur, et avec les jeunes filles nous quittons l'aeroport très vite, nous avons perdu assez de temps.. j'espère que mon témoignage sera validé...

la sécurité ok ? mais à ce point ? je sais que mon témoignage ne sera pas validé, mais c'est exactement ce qu'il s'est passé..
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Rocket3 7 years ago · Choucarde
Et maintenant quel pays où l'on ne risque plus rien à voyager?
Je me demande quel part de risque suis-je prêt a prendre pour ma famille a vouloir leur faire découvrir le joli coté des cartes postales de voyages idylliques quand la violence et les risques sont chaque jour plus grands partout. Le plaisir des voyages est désormais entaché ou que l'on aille par des violences aveugles.
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Lina1986 8 years ago · Cambrousse
Iran, société matérialiste et superficielle
Bonjour

Qu'est ce qui vous a le plus choqué dans un pays ?

Ça peut être les us et coutumes, l'attitude de la population, la culture....

Moi je suis choquée par la société matérialiste qu'est l' Iran.

Je suis venue ici pour apprendre le persan, les paysages sont magnifiques, le climat est super, les gens sont chaleureux avec les touristes... etc....maisssss c'est la société la plus matérialiste et superficielle que j'ai connu de toute ma vie.

Ici, la plupart des femmes se font des rhinoplasties, j'ai demandé POURQUOI, tout le monde m'a répondu la même phrase ''parce que la beauté physique donne accès au mariage, si une femme n'est pas très belle elle ne se mariera jamais ''

Cette phrase m'a choquée. On dit qu'en occident la femme est 'chosifiée', mais avec le recul je ne trouve pas du tout . En France les femmes sont très naturelles physiquement, à peine maquillées et pourtant elles plaisent aux hommes.

Certes ici le port du voile est obligatoire donc étant donné que les femmes doivent cacher leurs corps, elles misent tout sur le visage. Mais c'est devenu limite caricatural......sourcils épais dessinés , lèvres gonflées au botox, 5 kilos de maquillage, coloration blonde platine et bien entendu rhinoplastie.... 🤪

Les iraniennes se ressemblent toutes c'est affolant.😮

Ça fait limite de la peine à voir tellement cest grotesque.

J'avais aussi été effarée par la société libanaise ( chirurgie, 5 kg de maquillage ...) mais je trouve qu'en Iran c'est encore plus exacerbé....et très mal fait.

Ça me met limite mal à l'aise.

J'aime le maquillage et les jolis vêtements mais je déteste cette réification de la Femme.

Les hommes iraniens ne jurent que par la beauté physique. Les femmes qui n'ont pas les moyens de se colorer en blonde platine et de faire une rhinoplastie sont laissées de côté.

J'ai encore 2 mois et demi à passer ici et je ne sais pas si je vais tenir !!!

Je ne suis pas féministe mais je suis très sensible à la représentation de la Femme.

Pour moi une femme ce nest pas qu'un physique . C'est aussi un coeur, une âme, une personnalité, une intelligence.....
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Meredythe 9 years ago · Saijfou
Quel avenir pour Socotra?
Bonjour !

Ayant récemment publié sur mon site un article concernant Socotra, je me pose sérieusement la question de l'avenir de l'île et j'aimerai échanger mes interrogations avec vous.

J'ai appris qu'en février dernier, l'ex-président-mais-président-quand-même avait annoncé son intention de louer Socotra aux Emirats arabes unis pour une durée de 99 ans, une présumée récompense pour leur soutien pendant la guerre civile qui fait rage au Yémen en ce moment. On a bien vu ce que les EAU ont réussi à faire avec Dubaï, du coup je m'inquiète pour la survie de l'île en tant que destination éco-touristique.

D'autre part, l'île fait face à une grande sécheresse, mettant à mal et la flore locale (le nombre des Dragonniers de Socotra diminue) mais aussi les habitants qui galèrent déjà pas mal à se nourrir. En mars dernier, les EAU ont envoyé des avions de ravitaillement à Socotra avec de la nourriture et des générateurs d'électricité parce que le Yémen ne peut plus le faire et que la population n'arrive pas à être auto-suffisante.

Du coup, j'ai eu l'impression en faisant mes recherches que le seul espoir que les habitants avaient pour se sortir du seuil de pauvreté étaient de capitaliser sur le tourisme. Il y a déjà pas mal d'intéressés sur le créneau, à commencer par les EAU, mais c'est je trouve à double-tranchant. Rien qu'en terme de patrimoine, Socotra va morfler dans les années à venir. Le fait que l'arabe deviennent la langue de référence pour tout contact avec l'extérieur, fait que la langue locale socotri, parlée depuis l'Antiquité, est de moins en moins parlée (déjà qu'elle n'est pas écrite...). Je trouve ça grave personnellement, car une langue ne véhicule pas que des mots, mais aussi une conception de l'univers et de la vie bien propre à chaque langue, qui se répercute à mon avis sur la mentalité des gens.

En attendant, malgré mes recherches, je n'ai trouvé aucun moyen de se rendre sur l'île actuellement. Les lignes d'avion sont apparemment toutes coupées (détrompez-moi si ce n'est pas le cas !), y compris celle que Yéménia avait ouvert l'an dernier entre Dubaï et Hadiboh. Le plus triste, c'est de voir tous ces comptes twitter, facebook, et sites web de gens de là-bas, ou même du gouvernement yéménite, qui sont soit hors ligne, soit plus mis à jour depuis 2013/2014... J'espère que ça va se calmer vite :(
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Montagne666 17 years ago
Pourquoi je n'arrive plus à quitter l'Arménie?
Les jours succèdent aux jours, la chaleur succède à la chaleur. Les chemins poussiéreux, secs, bordés d'arbres fruitiers, accompagnent mes marches à pied quotidiennes. Les montagnes, les montagnes... 4500km pour comprendre qu'il existe une vie avec ou sans montagnes. Arides, majestueuses, mélancoliques. Seuls ces paysages pouvaient enfanter le son du doudouk et les complaintes hoquetantes des Kurdes, Arméniens ou Iraniens.

Comment vivre sans tristesse? Comment vivre sans ce silence assourdissant? Comment vivre sans ennui, sans imaginaire, sans amour impossible, sans secrets, sans regrets.

Ici il ne se passe jamais rien, pourtant tout le monde attend. Attend mais attend quoi? Le temps, en Arménie, à pris congé. Manteau de neige et paysage en dichromie l'hiver, poussière ocre et soleil de plomb l'été. La Nature n'a pas laissé d'espace au bruit ici, elle lui a préféré les murmures et les promesses non tenues, la quiétude orageuse, les murs et les regards en biais.

J'avais perdu, un temps, cette faculté de rester immobile durant des heures, ce plaisir de laisser le corps en sommeil tandis que les pensées, cachées sous mes cheveux, s'entrechoquent, courent tout près ou bien à des milliers de km, goûtent cette liberté qui n'existe qu'à l'intérieur de soi, jouissent d'être interdites, crient sans bruit, s'ébattent, font battre mes paupières ou observent parfois frissonner une larme au coin de mon oeil. Oui j'avais oublié l'enfance, les questions, les extrapolations, les choses qu'on a pas le droit de faire ou de dire. L'interdit réveille les sens, les règles donnent envie d'être contournées, la bienséance recouvre la vie bouillonnante.

L'Arménie m'a rendu mes pensées fantasmagoriques, après m'avoir brimée, repoussée, malmenée. Vivons heureux, vivons cachés. C'est un peu ça l'Arménie. Pensées-péchés. Que c'est bon de penser des choses qu'on a pas le droit de faire; de provoquer les vieux en leur demandant d'allumer ma cigarette; de fumer dans la rue principale d'un village, et de créer toutes sortes de jaseries, qu'on me rapporte ensuite; d'entendre les aventures inavouables de mon amie. Oui, c'est bon l'interdit.

Ma chère Bretagne me paraît si peu mystérieuse par comparaison, si facile à vivre, si douillette, si réelle. Partir d'Arménie, sera comme se réveiller d'un songe, mi-rêve mi-cauchemar. Il faudra relever les draps, l'émotion me serrera encore le coeur, mais la vie vite reprendra ses droits, le temps refera son apparition, le bruit, la ville. Mes regards se tourneront alors à l'Est, et je soufflerai mon désespoir passé dans cette flûte que l'Arménie m'a donnée.

Puisse le vent traverser les frontières, transformer les notes en sanglots et les soupirs en lettres d'amour
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Montagne666 18 years ago · Bocu75
Corruption et piston
Bonjour tout le monde! Certain-e-s d'entre vous savent dans quelle situation je me trouve en Arménie avec mon visa périmé (http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1732918;#1732918). Pour régler ce problème, j'avais le choix d'utiliser la corruption ou le piston. J'ai choisi le piston. Ou j'aurais pu choisir de n'utiliser ni l'une ni l'autre et de quitter l'Arménie avant la fin de mon projet de volontariat.

Du coup, j'avais envie de réfléchir un peu aux conséquences, et de voir ce que les autres en pensent.

Vous est-il déjà arrivé, en voyage, d'etre en galère de visa (ou autre), et d'avoir la possibilité de glisser un billet pour régler le problème, et l'avez-vous fait? De façon générale, seriez-vous pret à l'utiliser pour vos problèmes personnels, meme en y étant opposé de façon générale? Et pensez-vous que le piston (réglement du problème via une personne influente que l'on connait), vale mieux que la corruption? L'utiliseriez-vous? Et en ayant le choix entre les deux, préférez-vous une solution rapide et souvent moins onéreuse (corruption) à une solution plus longue et parfois aussi plus chère (piston, ou légalité)?

En fait je me pose cette question, car étant totalement contre la corruption, j'ai toujours refusé de donner le moindre backchich pour faire avancer le chmilblick (frontières, problèmes de visa), mais voilà que je me retrouve dans une situation où je me sers de piston, et je ne suis pas bien sure que ça soit beaucoup plus éthique que la corruption.

Bon voilà, j'attends vos avis sur cette question épineuse. Ah et au fait, avez-vous déjà été témoin ou acteur de corruption, si minime soit-elle, dans un pays non réputé pour etre corrompu ?
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