Converting a heavy-duty bus/coach/truck into a motorhome
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BE Benhurd ·
Yes, that's right, I'm going where you told me.

OK so if I just need to remove the seats, I think I'd leave 2 days earlier than planned in that case, to have time to take them out.

I'll call the local authority Monday.

Um, where's the nearest heavy vehicle authority in this area??

😉
AL Albator115 ·
Hey there!

You need to contact Mr Bouchet or Mr Fajoux at the DRIRE in La Rochelle, but make an appointment first—they won't take you just like that. You need to send them your file first, and then they'll call you in.

Bye!

Xavier.
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BO Boro ·
Hi, I'm new to this site and I'm looking for information on converting a bus into a motorhome to travel around Europe with my family. Please don't hesitate to reach out with your advice! I'm based in Savoie 73 and I'm happy to travel to meet people who have a bus or are currently converting one. Thanks and see you soon!

Hi there!

You need to contact Mr Bouchet or Mr Fajoux at the DRIRE in La Rochelle, but make an appointment first - they won't see you without one. You need to send them your paperwork first, and then they'll call you in.

Bye!

Xavier.
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TO Tolr ·
Hi sputnick,

I'm going to be getting my heavy vehicle license soon and I'd like to get some info:

How do I get collector's insurance and which insurance companies offer it?

I'd like to buy a truck (around 7.5 tons), whether it's already converted or not. But first, I wanted to ask if you could give me information about the registration procedures (is it difficult to convert it to a motorhome? If the truck comes from Germany and it's already converted, what are the registration requirements, etc.)

Thanks for all the information you can provide me 😉

If other people have information about motorhome conversion, importing heavy vehicles whether already converted or not, and anything about the regulations, I'd really appreciate if you could share it with me... 🙂

Thanks to everyone willing to answer 😄
FA Fanan ·
I'm currently converting a DAF / HEULIEZ MB205 bus.

Cheaper and more spacious than a standard car, the paperwork (in France) isn't insurmountable for registration.

I'm ready to help anyone who wants to take on this kind of project. Those who know, help those who want to do it....

Hi Patrick, I'm also thinking about converting a Volvo B10 (mid-engine) 280hp from 1984. And I'd like your opinion and what's needed for registration, and also if (no driver's door) is also a real problem. Thanks in advance
YA Yananthaka ·
Hi, happy to find valuable information here! I'm working on a project to convert a bus into my home.

If you know any good contacts (or not-so-good ones!) where I could find a bus around €1,500 that looks like an old Renault Series C, thanks a lot!

Yann

my address yananthaka@yahoo.co.uk
ST Stef06 ·
Hey, I'm looking to buy a bus to turn it into my home. How much are you selling yours for, and can it be reclassified as a camper van? What else needs to be done?
ST Stef06 ·
I'm looking for a bus to buy and convert into a motorhome or maybe not.....

Contact me if you have good tips, thanks
SA Saen ·
Hi; I have a bus for sale, it's a short Renault Saviem E7 from 1979, MAN engine at the rear, 8.5m long, air suspensions, double pare prise, driver's door, Webasto. I'm leaving my email bastboite@hotmail.com photos on request.
ST Stef06 ·
Hey,

I'm worried 8.50 meters won't be enough—I'm looking for one that's at least 10 meters. Thanks anyway.
HE Henrique ·
I'm in the process of converting a DAF/HEULIEZ MB205 bus.

Cheaper and more spacious than a regular vehicle, the paperwork (in France) for homologation isn't insurmountable.

I'm ready to help anyone who wants to tackle this type of project. Those who know should help those who want to....

Hi Patrick, I'm also considering converting a 1984 Volvo B10 (central engine) 280cv. I'd like your opinion and what's needed for homologation, and also whether the lack of a driver door is a real problem. Thanks in advance
TH Thony ·
Hey,

I'm worried 8.50 meters won't be enough, I'm looking for a minimum of 10 meters, thanks anyway

Hey stef06, I've got a buddy who's planning to sell his bus, it's a Berliet PR14S 12m, it's fitted out and registered from '79, I don't know much more than that and it's been a while since I last saw the bus, if you're interested let me know and I'll find out more

Hey thony
ST Stef06 ·
hey Thony,

I'm interested in the bus. Try to find out about it and get some photos. Thanks
PU Punkyo ·
RECAP

I found all that on

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pl65/homologation/homologation.htm

by trying not to pay for the famous AFNOR guide, you can find everything you need

1. The 7 mandatory steps to complete. Establish a specification document for the work to be done. Then go pick up a single-approval reception file from your local prefecture at the Traffic and Vehicle Service office. Follow your motorhome's construction plan while respecting the standards. Don't hesitate to consult a mines engineer if you have any doubts. (This will help you down the line) Your vehicle finished, after the manual work, here now comes the "intellectual" work. You'll present your motorhome to an approved control body (Veritas, Socotec, etc.). This inspection will cover fire and asphyxiation risks: gas installation, electrical installation, ventilation, heating. A certificate will be issued at the end of this visit. From that moment, the vehicle can be presented to the Mining Services. You must have your motorhome weighed on a public scale, three times: axle by axle, and total weight. Curb weight is the weight of the vehicle with all reservoirs full (fuel, water, and gas) with a 75 kg driver. You'll also need to create a vehicle diagram showing the distribution of the payload (total loaded weight (GVW) minus curb weight (CW)). You can now go submit your file to the prefecture. Don't forget the compliance certificate, the three weighing reports, the base vehicle's description notice (see the manufacturer), if applicable the body-mounting certificate, and the registration application. All that's left is to wait for the Mining Services summons. The Mining Services inspection happens about three to six weeks after submitting your file to the prefecture. If you've followed and successfully passed the previous steps, this formality shouldn't cause any problems. After reviewing the various documents and controls: maker's plate, modifications, lighting, braking, stability, etc.......the Mining Services engineer draws up the reception report and declares the vehicle compliant. If it's not, you'll need to make the indicated modifications and resubmit the vehicle. Once the report is drawn up and submitted to the prefecture, you can obtain your motorhome's registration card. 2. The list of documents to provide. (so you don't forget anything) A single-approval reception application. A registration certificate application (plus the tax stamps to stick on it). A photocopy of the vehicle's registration card. A photocopy of the base vehicle's description notice. The three weighing receipts for the vehicle in running order. A notice describing the modifications carried out. Dimensioned drawings of the modifications (a top view, a view of each modified side with measurements relative to the vehicle's interior floor). The body-mounting certificate, if you're in one of the following cases: Vehicle registered in a standard series in France (having a registration card where the modification wasn't done to the vehicle as it's identified on its current registration card, but in a new body that was mounted on this vehicle to replace the existing body). Vehicle not registered in a standard series in France (vehicle imported from abroad, new vehicle sold in France, vehicle from government surplus, reconstructed vehicle, etc.), when the modification wasn't done to the vehicle as it came off the automobile manufacturer's assembly line, but in a body that was added to this vehicle.

For a motorhome: the NF-S56200 compliance certificate established on CERFA form no. 55-137 by the motorhome manufacturer, installer, or importer, as well as the NF-S56200 compliance inspection report from the control body.(if fuel gas (LPG) is used either to power appliances or as engine fuel, other documents must be provided)

Two stamped envelopes with your name and address, format 230x163.
me manque un permis b un permis c un bus et des sous sinon chui pret a partir
ST Stef06 ·
thank you punkyo
TH Thony ·
Hey, I'm going to try to see my buddy this weekend and I'll tell you more
DD Dd69 ·
Hey...

PATRICK26, it's great to find someone who really knows this subject seriously. So I'm asking some questions too because you can definitely help me move forward on a project I'm passionate about.

I'm looking to get a Mercedes 911 type LA. I found a source of decommissioned vehicles from the TWA (equivalent to the Red Cross in Germany, I think). The vehicles are double cabin + cargo box in extended version and should date from the 70s–80s. Given the age of this model (the 911 base is still very common in Asia, Africa...), I might switch to a more recent model with the same characteristics. Because in this project, which is still a bit of a dream for now, I'm really looking to transform the whole thing into a spacious RV, imagining removing the cargo box and roof to attach a living unit, and also adding a pop-up roof on that unit as well as a hydraulic rear gate system (all hydraulic) and many other things besides. I think technically everything is possible and I've seen several examples of vehicles like this, often technical vehicles used by professionals. In this long-term project, which will require quite a lot of resources and know-how (the natural idea being to build a true small mobile and modular home as a second residence), I'd also try to use recent technologies to make the vehicle more ergonomic, and with a view to better autonomy, reduced pollution, more comfort or safety.... Solar, biofuel, rainwater harvesting, heat pump, or even satellite communication. Since I'd use this vehicle as part of my work (development support), transforming it will require calling on multiple skills and capabilities that I mostly don't have. Indeed, if I'm a good DIYer and used to mechanical headaches, I especially need to learn. I'm already surrounding myself with the right people and looking for good tips and resources that go in this direction.

While I wait to get the base vehicle, I'm planning a smaller intermediate project for now: a B110 4x4 van, ex-CRS, recently decommissioned, that I found near my place.

I'd have thousands of questions about the technical and administrative aspects for both projects, and especially for the 911, but I have some main ones that apply to both: Does the law allow modifications to the bodywork of an original vehicle even with an MOT inspection, and how does it apply? For example, for the 911, removing the cargo box and attaching a living unit that would need to be fixed to the chassis and welded to the cabin. What serious and honest professionals are there in France in vehicle conversion for this type of project, at least for the bodywork part? Shouldn't I contact the ministry directly without going through the DRIRE to get the certifications? What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different types of registration documents you mentioned earlier in this topic?

Well, I hope I wasn't too long. Thanks to you for sharing your knowledge and experience and your open-mindedness!

DidierG in 69
DJ DJi69iJb ·
hey everyone quick intro since I'm new to the forum I've been driving for almost 2 years with a MB309d converted Westfalia called JAMES COOK, which I brought back from Germany. From what I understand, you want to remove your truck's cab, cut the bodywork and install a module to connect the living area with the driving space. It seems to me that's possible, you need to ask the manufacturer for authorization to cut the bodywork, usually from their technical department. But the catch is, the rear part of the cab can't have any structural elements. As for professionals, there are some mentioned above. In my opinion, the DRIRE will be able to answer you, but watch out because sometimes they get the answers wrong, since they don't know exactly what you want. And they're not there to sell you a service!!! (the fewer questions you ask them, the happier they are) The ideal is to meet with them, the person handling reception, and get along. As for my next one, I plan to outfit it without electricity, without gas, without water, just furniture and seating, everything simple (in terms of regulations). And after inspection by the authorities, install the electricity, gas, and water.
Nomadisons sur les routes du destin.(La rue ketanou)
BE Benhurd ·
Hey everyone!

So I just bought my S53 for 1500 euros from Aunis Saintonge, and it's in really good condition – 640,000 km, engine rebuilt at 550,000.

A friend is bringing it to me by end of week so I can start the work.

If anyone is looking for an S45 (10m) for 1500€, they have one in perfect condition – bodywork has no rust, chassis is immaculate, engine is very clean, 605,000 km, RX-type grille – a really great deal. It's actually better than the S53 I just bought, but since I'd already drawn up the plans I didn't feel like changing. If anyone's interested I've got photos.

To reply to dJi69iJb: if you're planning to set up a bus without gas, watch out – apparently according to regulations they want at least a cooking system to be VASP (I guess that's to make sure people don't put a forbidden mobile system in a motorhome...)
DJ DJi69iJb ·
When I got my 309D homologated 1.5 years ago (September 2003), I got it registered as a non-spec VASP with two benches and some furnishings, plus an 80 cm roof extension, without gas. Now I've got a domestic LPG kit. (Hope there's no accident, God willing). And before I sell it, I'm going to re-register it as a 6-seater. Sure, a coach or bus as a home could be better, but I'm worried about damaging the overhangs if I venture into rough terrain (rough paths), and €1,500 leaves a good margin for outfitting it. But for now I'm leaning more towards a 4x4 commercial vehicle.
Nomadisons sur les routes du destin.(La rue ketanou)
HE Henrique ·
Hi benhurd

I'm interested in your s45

Can you send me some photos and get in touch?

henri.pires@9online.fr

Talk soon
AL Albator115 ·
Hey!!

I'm desperate...🤪 I can't find a roof rack for my bus, a 1985 S53....

If anyone's got a tip for me, don't hold back—I'm a plumber...🙂 no seriously, I'll take anything!!

Thanks guys, ciao!

X.
Y'a pas de pays pour les vauriens les poétes et les balladins
TH Thony ·
hey stef06,

I haven't been able to see my buddy. I just found out he was in Spain, but he shouldn't be long getting back. As soon as I can, I'll tell you more. Anyway, I'll post it in the classifieds.

A+
YO Yolelion ·
If anyone's interested in my bus, here's my personal email: yolelion@hotmail.com
HE Henrique ·
Hi benhurd, thanks for the info about the s45. I went and picked it up yesterday, and it's at my place now. I'm really happy because it's in really good condition.

Thanks again, do you know where I should contact Renault to ask for permission to modify the registration to change it to VASP?

Thanks, see you soon
DJ DJi69iJb ·
Hey, I just saw your post. So I've got pretty much the same project as you on a 911/1113. And if you're looking for information, I found a lot on German websites. Send me an email at dji69dji@hotmail.com and I can share my information with you about the kurzhaubern.

Later, dji.
Nomadisons sur les routes du destin.(La rue ketanou)
PU Punkyo ·
Hey, it would be great if people would just share info directly on the forum.... I've been struggling for a while now to find an affordable bus – plans, info, etc., to live in. Haven't found anything decent under 8,000 euros (and that still needs a Class D license and fitting out). I'm going to be a dad soon (argh, I know, I know) and I want my child to have a healthy life physically and spiritually. So I don't want them living in some run-down apartment in some crappy city, in crappy daycare, having their brain shaped by watching TV.... In short, I don't want them growing up trapped in the usual mold. I'm convinced I can give them the best by letting them travel like I've done myself, so we need to get things moving.

Please share your info – I'm really struggling with this on my own. And it's not for lack of trying – I'm aware of the laws, the regulations, all those jerks who'll throw obstacles in my way – but I still can't find the right bus (with a driver's door and a door in the middle of the right side, not at the back). So if you've got an affordable bus for three of us to live in, I'd really appreciate a boost.

Thanks ;)
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SA Saen ·
Hey, I'm looking too!! For an S45, S53 - something cheap - so does anyone have any info?! But I still have my old E7 Saviem (driver door, air suspensions) for sale - so if anyone's interested?! Thanks!!
FA Fanan ·
Hi, I still can't get my head around the driver's side door situation..

After discussing in person with an inspector from my regional DRIRE (Herault) and chatting by phone with inspectors from the DRIRE in Correze, Cantal, and Aveyron, they all without exception assured me that the driver's side door in a heavy vehicle is not mandatory. Plus, the AFNOR standard simply says the driver's side door isn't essential – only two emergency exits at regulatory dimensions are required, one on each side (right and left) of the cab.

However, they all told me that all heavy vehicles registered since 10/83 are required to have an anti-underrun bar, which is very difficult to certify.

I need to buy a Volvo B10 without a driver's side door and I don't know what to do. 😕

PU Punkyo ·
"Only two emergency exits with regulatory dimensions are mandatory on each side—right and left—of the cabin."

Whether your door is next to the driver or two meters back doesn't matter—what matters is having one on the left side. And I think I know now that you find more buses with a left-side door at the driver's level than at the back (always on the left).

That's why I think we're all looking for buses with "driver's doors"

By the way, I found a Setra 213H for €4,500 from '81 with 700,000 km... In the photos it looks clean (body and interior anyway—I can't tell about the mechanics..).

I don't know if it's worth it or not... I'm worried about making the wrong call and buying something that'll get me in a bind later.

Anyway... we'll see.
me manque un permis b un permis c un bus et des sous sinon chui pret a partir
FA Fanou56 ·
Hey Manu, I saw you were talking about the tachograph... and I'd like to know a bit more about the current regulations if someone can clarify that for me
FA Fanou56 ·
If anyone wants my bus for 150 or 300 euros, budget for additional costs—it's empty
TH Thony ·
Hey fannou56, I didn't quite get it—are you selling your bus?
JA Jadus ·
Hi everyone, I'm starting to research buying and converting a bus. I want to thank everyone in this thread for the really helpful information. If you know of any buses for sale, don't hesitate to let me know. Regarding the driver's door issue, I think I'll need to contact the DRIRE directly because ultimately no one seems to agree. Actually, I talked to a guy who's set up his bus at Les 7-Laux (a ski resort near Grenoble) and he doesn't have a driver's door (makes sense since his inspection was a year ago). But one of his friends reclassified his bus (a Saviem) as VASP two weeks ago and doesn't need a driver's door...

So what's the actual situation?
CH Chris84 ·
Hi Fanou, what kind of bus are you selling?

We bought an S45 a few months ago and we're looking for another one for parts. We're planning ahead so we don't end up in a jam like we're in with the heavy vehicle right now! If anyone has one, we'd be interested. Good evening everyone.
CHRIS
YO Yolelion ·
Emergency exits don't necessarily have to be a door or a window—that works.
YO Yolelion ·
What's your motorhome? saen
YO Yolelion ·
No rush in private
SA Saen ·
Hey yolelion, the camtar, it's a bus, e7 Saviem.
YO Yolelion ·
ok I see, I'm looking more for a camper truck around 4 tonnes
EX Extrawagon ·
Your Midliner is registered with a living section and a 'professional' section that allows you to drive without restrictions (weekend disc...)
http://pageperso.aol.fr/philgoodstriping/life.html
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
HEY EVERYONE,

havent been online for a while due to work, but I wanted to go over a few key points:

for vehicle homologation, there are 2 options:

the first is VASP NONSPEC.

that means non-specified in terms of chassis and fitout. in other words, it's not a motorhome homologation. in principle, and if we dig into it, it's still just a truck that doesn't have all the approvals of a motorhome: if a round sign with a truck on a white background circled in red (with or without weight limits) bans access to a city center (or from 8am to 11am, as is often the case), you can't go in with a NONSPEC! it's still a truck!

some ferry companies won't board NONSPEC vehicles because without special classification, they can't assess the risk the vehicle poses to the ship, etc...

but on the other hand, that doesn't ban you from driving.

the second is VASP AUTOCARAVANE.

in this case, you've got a true motorhome that doesn't care about HGV restrictions (except weight limits), doesn't need a tachograph anymore, gets on ferries, can enter city centers banned to trucks, can drive on Sundays, has a day and night capacity designation, etc.

the only document to refer to is RTI 3.5.1 FROM 04/07/2002 (ask the DRIRE agent for it).

and this document says in article 1.3: vehicles must have access doors and emergency exits based on one or the other of the following configurations:

A-1-an access door on each side of the driver's cab 2-and an access door to the living area located on the right side or at the rear 3-and an emergency exit on another face that doesn't have the access door to the living area with an area of 2500cm² and a minimum dimension of 450mm

B-1-an access door to the cab on the driver's side 2-and an emergency exit on the opposite side with an area of 2500cm² and a minimum dimension of 450mm "or" an emergency exit on each side of the driver's cab with an area of 2500cm² and a minimum dimension of 450mm 3-and an access door to the living area on the right side or rear and a clear passage of 2500cm² with a minimum width of 450mm between this access and the cab 4-and an emergency exit of 2500cm² with a minimum dimension of 450mm located on a face that doesn't have the access door to the living area

so much for the standard, now let me explain the details...

if there's no driver's door, the front access door on the passenger side is considered the emergency exit for the passenger side and no longer the access door to the living area. so the rear door must communicate via a clear corridor with a minimum width of 450mm with the driver's cab. knowing that you'll need to keep an emergency exit in the living area on the driver's side (in addition to his own), draw up plans and you'll see it's nearly impossible to arrange the interior pleasantly (hard to fit a 140 x 190 cm bed, for example). the only thing that could save you is having a door in the middle of the bus! but in that case, if there's a door and a partition to close off a rear bedroom, the passage is no longer considered clear, so you'll need another emergency exit for that room! good luck!

the simplest option remains the driver's door! knowing that for some DRIREs, the "or" cannot replace article 1 because it's linked to article 2!

the simplest approach: draw up plans, schedule a meeting with the DRIRE agent, and fight to avoid NONSPEC!

GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE!

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EL Elylous ·
Hi everyone, I've spent quite a bit of time reading and appreciating all your comments, and though I'm new to this but very interested in this self-sufficient travel lifestyle, one question remains unanswered—or maybe I didn't read carefully enough...

What license do you need to drive a motorhome? I only have a B license, and I'm making a list of everything we'll need to do to make it happen.

Thanks
TH Thony ·
Hey,

to drive a converted coach you'll need a heavy-duty license
BE Benhurd ·
Hey all! So I just got my bus and I'm finally getting started on the work!

I'll be posting updates here as the project progresses.

But it's looking pretty good so far! !
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
If you follow the regulations, you need a C license to drive a modified bus that no longer has the TCP (public passenger transport) designation on its registration. That's in the case of a vehicle that's been re-registered with the vehicle authority with a maximum of 8 seats plus driver on the registration.

If there are more than 8 seats plus driver, the TCP designation stays in effect.

And if the vehicle hasn't been re-registered with the vehicle authority, it remains a coach, so it's still TCP! But if you're going to drive illegally as far as the regulatory authorities are concerned, you might as well go all the way....and not bother getting a license at all!!! (humor).

Hi everyone

PATRICK26
EL Elylous ·
So, if I understand right, you need a Class C license—well, that doesn't suit me, but at least I can take it home if I find one in TCP, that's already something. Otherwise, since the license kicks in at 3.5 tons, I reckon if I find a 27-seater, it should work...

Thanks
TH Thony ·
Hey, that's exactly what I meant when talking about a converted bus – you need a heavy vehicle license for a downclassed bus with a maximum of 9 seats (including the driver).

Beyond 9 seats, a public transport license is mandatory, so 27 seats counts as public transport. Anyway, if you don't have at least a heavy vehicle license, well you don't have a bus (and that's all!!!lol)😕, and a public transport bus means mandatory inspections every 6 months
SH Shemuel ·
Hey,

I'm new to the site.

I own a Mercedes 508 semi-trailer (8.6m) with a car-category license (limited to 7T). I'd like to know what the minimum setup is to convert my semi-trailer registration to a camper van. I already know a table and bed are required, but can I install any type of table?

Next, I'd like to redesign it as a caravan (wood on metal frame). If anyone can advise me in various ways (wood species to use, magazines or books on caravan building...), I'm interested.

For those unfamiliar with this type of vehicle: the tractor weighs 2.2T empty with a PTRA of 7T, so this type of vehicle passes car safety inspection (very convenient). The semi-trailer has an authorized weight of 5.5T, so it undergoes technical inspection every year.
Shemuel
FR Frankiss06 ·
Hey, I'm another newbie who just discovered this forum. I've had an S53 for about a year now, and I've been slowly converting it in my spare time so I can eventually take to the road in France or elsewhere with real comfort. When I started this adventure, I thought I was crazy for even thinking about it—nobody around me understood me—but I stuck with it. Since finding this forum, I've realized I'm really not alone and not totally nuts (well, maybe a little!). Thanks so much to everyone for sharing your valuable information, which has been a huge help to me. My S53 is almost 40% complete, and I've still got some questions I'd love to get some help with. A) What kind of windows should I use, what standards should I follow, and would it be possible to use building-style windows (with different glass of course)? B) Can anyone give me their thoughts on the DRIRE in Alpes-Maritimes (Carros)? Apparently there can be differences depending on the department (like that infamous door issue that lots of people worry about, which can change everything). C) Can anyone share some ideas with me, or maybe send pictures of their S53 conversions via private message, showing some of the modifications they've done? Thanks everyone in advance for your replies. Franck.

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