Converting a heavy-duty bus/coach/truck into a motorhome
by Patrick26
Translated into English.
Bonjour a vous tous,
Pour ma part: je n'ai pas encore le permis C, je n' ai pas encore de car, mais je garde mon projet en tête, et je suis têtu.
Les rencontres de Chabeuil en Sept 2006 ont été une réussite, c'est incontestable Patrick.
Il est vrai que cette idée de nous retrouver le WE du 14 juillet me ferait bien plaisir de revoir certains. Mais pourquoi remettre ça sur le dos de Patrick!! Il est bon de donner, mais qu'il est agréable de recevoir et se laisser porter. Offrons lui donc cette fois ce plaisir de venir en touriste.
Ne serait il pas possible de déplacer cette rencontre un peu vers l'ouest? Bretons, Normands, Ch'tis, + ceux que j'oublie pourraient peut être se joindre à cette fête, car les distances seraient plus équitables pour tous ceux qui voudraient nous rejoindre, si nous nous rapprochions du centre de la France.
Jeune retraité (un peu déglingué par une opération chirurgicale qui n'a pas été un succès), je mets mon temps à votre disposition pour que vous me donniez un peu de votre moral pour regonfler le mien.
Je demande donc à ceux qui me liront s'ils ne connaissent pas un lieu (terrain de sport, salle de fêtes ou salle des jeunes) avec parking, que l'on pourrait demander à utiliser en expliquant pourquoi, ce qui pourrait créer une animation originale dans un petit village.
Je veux bien me charger des tractations avec les autorités locales que vous m'indiquerez.
POUR ARRIVER A BON PORT ETAPE 1 chercher ce lieu et me le communiquer au plus vite, pour que le 25 mai au plus tard, le contrat soit passé. ETAPE2 inscriptions des participants, et ce pour le 22 juin au plus tard ETAPE3 rencontre du WE DU 14/07/07, avec ateliers, documentations, réalisations et débats que vous aurez sollicités.
Je suis prêt à aider toutes les bonnes volontés, et à coordonner l'organisation, à condition toutefois de me retrouver avec deux ou trois autres bonnes volontés!
Je l'aurai bien fait par chez moi, mais je suis trop excentré (hautes pyrénées).
La non réalisation de l'étape 1 dans les délais rendra malheureusement la suite impossible.
Alors aidons nous les uns les autres, bougeons nous, inventons, bouillonnons dans nos cerveaux, ......j'attends vos messages dans ma MP, et vous tiendrai au courant en faisant un point de temps en temps. Bien amicalement GG
Pour ma part: je n'ai pas encore le permis C, je n' ai pas encore de car, mais je garde mon projet en tête, et je suis têtu.
Les rencontres de Chabeuil en Sept 2006 ont été une réussite, c'est incontestable Patrick.
Il est vrai que cette idée de nous retrouver le WE du 14 juillet me ferait bien plaisir de revoir certains. Mais pourquoi remettre ça sur le dos de Patrick!! Il est bon de donner, mais qu'il est agréable de recevoir et se laisser porter. Offrons lui donc cette fois ce plaisir de venir en touriste.
Ne serait il pas possible de déplacer cette rencontre un peu vers l'ouest? Bretons, Normands, Ch'tis, + ceux que j'oublie pourraient peut être se joindre à cette fête, car les distances seraient plus équitables pour tous ceux qui voudraient nous rejoindre, si nous nous rapprochions du centre de la France.
Jeune retraité (un peu déglingué par une opération chirurgicale qui n'a pas été un succès), je mets mon temps à votre disposition pour que vous me donniez un peu de votre moral pour regonfler le mien.
Je demande donc à ceux qui me liront s'ils ne connaissent pas un lieu (terrain de sport, salle de fêtes ou salle des jeunes) avec parking, que l'on pourrait demander à utiliser en expliquant pourquoi, ce qui pourrait créer une animation originale dans un petit village.
Je veux bien me charger des tractations avec les autorités locales que vous m'indiquerez.
POUR ARRIVER A BON PORT ETAPE 1 chercher ce lieu et me le communiquer au plus vite, pour que le 25 mai au plus tard, le contrat soit passé. ETAPE2 inscriptions des participants, et ce pour le 22 juin au plus tard ETAPE3 rencontre du WE DU 14/07/07, avec ateliers, documentations, réalisations et débats que vous aurez sollicités.
Je suis prêt à aider toutes les bonnes volontés, et à coordonner l'organisation, à condition toutefois de me retrouver avec deux ou trois autres bonnes volontés!
Je l'aurai bien fait par chez moi, mais je suis trop excentré (hautes pyrénées).
La non réalisation de l'étape 1 dans les délais rendra malheureusement la suite impossible.
Alors aidons nous les uns les autres, bougeons nous, inventons, bouillonnons dans nos cerveaux, ......j'attends vos messages dans ma MP, et vous tiendrai au courant en faisant un point de temps en temps. Bien amicalement GG
mon site préféré : www.aavl.fr
çà c'est sympa, on peut pas demander mieux 🙂
GX47
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
Hello!!
tu n'auras pas de probleme a homologé ton bus anglais en France en collection la seul condition c qu'il es plus de 25 ans.
tu peus toujour me tenir au courant de tes avancement sur mon mail"aljunina@hotmail.com"
qu'elle model a tu?
moi je suis a coté de sete.
Vive les double bus!!!!
deux fois plus d'espace!!
et le charme anglais!!!
la muse d'ô
Bonjour à tous,
Gégé a raison, c’est pas toujours les mêmes qui doivent bosser, faut qu’il y en ait d’autres qui s’investissent.
Le Ch’ti est là :
J’ai l’endroit, un petit village en plein milieu de la forêt de Mormal, très beau cadre à côté d’un camping ou nous pourrions profiter des sanitaires et du branchement électrique. Une salle de réception, un bar, une prairie ou nous pourrions pratiquer des activités. Le 14 juillet, il fait beau normalement.
Le 14 juillet est un samedi, il y en donc qui bosse la veille. Mais là n’est pas ma plus grosse interrogation. Patrick, Boniz38, Christobale et Cunni ont environ 1500 kms A-R Ggbdb, José6440, Gasmobil et Pandree ont plus de 2000 kms A-R Et les bretons ont également jusqu'à 1500 kms Pour les gens de l’est c’est plus près comme Mrvolvob10m
Il sera très dur à quiconque de satisfaire tout le monde. Moi-même je ne suis pas sur d’être là si Patrick l’organise, car il faut bien être conscient et regarder les choses en face. Ce ne sont pas les kilomètres qui me font peur, c’est le fric que l’ont n’a pas forcement envie ou qu’on a pas à dépenser en fumée quand on sait que son véhicule consomme 25 litres au 100.
Je suis près à l’organiser mais avant de me lancer, j’aimerais que les uns et les autres me donnent une réponse sur leur participation.
Amitiés
Gégé a raison, c’est pas toujours les mêmes qui doivent bosser, faut qu’il y en ait d’autres qui s’investissent.
Le Ch’ti est là :
J’ai l’endroit, un petit village en plein milieu de la forêt de Mormal, très beau cadre à côté d’un camping ou nous pourrions profiter des sanitaires et du branchement électrique. Une salle de réception, un bar, une prairie ou nous pourrions pratiquer des activités. Le 14 juillet, il fait beau normalement.
Le 14 juillet est un samedi, il y en donc qui bosse la veille. Mais là n’est pas ma plus grosse interrogation. Patrick, Boniz38, Christobale et Cunni ont environ 1500 kms A-R Ggbdb, José6440, Gasmobil et Pandree ont plus de 2000 kms A-R Et les bretons ont également jusqu'à 1500 kms Pour les gens de l’est c’est plus près comme Mrvolvob10m
Il sera très dur à quiconque de satisfaire tout le monde. Moi-même je ne suis pas sur d’être là si Patrick l’organise, car il faut bien être conscient et regarder les choses en face. Ce ne sont pas les kilomètres qui me font peur, c’est le fric que l’ont n’a pas forcement envie ou qu’on a pas à dépenser en fumée quand on sait que son véhicule consomme 25 litres au 100.
Je suis près à l’organiser mais avant de me lancer, j’aimerais que les uns et les autres me donnent une réponse sur leur participation.
Amitiés
Je suis un peu d'accord, le centre peut paraitre une bonne idée mais au final ne pas etre le meilleur choix. Autant voir qui peut venir, comment il vient, etc.
Si 10 gars viennent du sud avec leur car pour 2-3 bretons, pas très cools pour eux.
Il semble que le sud-est soit bien plus avancé dans les travaux, moi pour le 14 juillet je pense etre en plein milieu de l'aménagement (et pas le droit de le conduire vu que j'ai le C et pas le D). Du coup autant faire ca dans le sud. Pas dit qu'un camping veuilles nous accueillir un 14juillet (pleine saison pour eux).
Le truc à prendre en compte ca serait un accès train facile. Avec le TGV on est vite rendu à pas mal d'endroit pour un coût très raisonnable pour peu de réserver 1 mois à l'avance.
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
pour moi, aucun probleme de distance!
nous sommes en vacances du 6 au soir au 22 au soir!
donc, reunion ou vous voulez!
je proposait en drome car je connait tres bien mon departement et c'est le 1er departement francais derriere les departements de bord de mer et paris, question tourisme!
donc, je suis sur de trouver de quoi faire un bon we!
maintenant, il est vrai que certains peuvent venir de loin avec leur bus... mais qui?
josé, fr159, d'autres?
qui viendrait sans son bus ou viendrait meme s'il n'en a pas?
la proposition de ggdbdb65 est geniale, mais il faut faire en fonction des reponses!
hotware a raison, il faut aussi rester pres d'une grande ligne tgv. en sept 2006 plusieurs etaient arrivés par ce moyen de locomotion. une autoroute pas loin, c'est bien aussi!
autre solution, encore plus long (5 ou 7 jours) comme cela ceux qui viennent de loin ne viennent pas pour rien, et on fait "la route napoleon". depart de valence, gorges du verdon, lac de sainte croix, draguignan, et enfin, antibes-juan les pins!
mais la, il faut des engagements fermes, avec ou sans bus, pour faire les reservations tout au long du parcours! il n'est pas trop tard!
ont pourrait faire un raliement a valence le samedi 7 avant midi, et on fait le we du 14 juillet (samedi dimanche) a antibes-juan les pins. chacun est dispo de reprendre la route de son coté a partir du dimanche 14 heures.
chaque soir une etape differente et un theme different a aborder... sa peut etre sympa!
la region est magnifique, de l'eau pour se baigner, de la campagne pour les randonneurs, des locations de quads ou canoés, a chaque etape!
les points majeurs pourraient etre briancon plus haute ville d'europe (fortifiée par vauban), ballade sur le lac de sainte croix en petits bateaux a moteurs avec pique nique, l'aqualand d'antibes-juan les pins avec ses orques et ses dauphins!
alors la, c'est plus attirant, ou faut que je trouve autre chose?
PATRICK26
nous sommes en vacances du 6 au soir au 22 au soir!
donc, reunion ou vous voulez!
je proposait en drome car je connait tres bien mon departement et c'est le 1er departement francais derriere les departements de bord de mer et paris, question tourisme!
donc, je suis sur de trouver de quoi faire un bon we!
maintenant, il est vrai que certains peuvent venir de loin avec leur bus... mais qui?
josé, fr159, d'autres?
qui viendrait sans son bus ou viendrait meme s'il n'en a pas?
la proposition de ggdbdb65 est geniale, mais il faut faire en fonction des reponses!
hotware a raison, il faut aussi rester pres d'une grande ligne tgv. en sept 2006 plusieurs etaient arrivés par ce moyen de locomotion. une autoroute pas loin, c'est bien aussi!
autre solution, encore plus long (5 ou 7 jours) comme cela ceux qui viennent de loin ne viennent pas pour rien, et on fait "la route napoleon". depart de valence, gorges du verdon, lac de sainte croix, draguignan, et enfin, antibes-juan les pins!
mais la, il faut des engagements fermes, avec ou sans bus, pour faire les reservations tout au long du parcours! il n'est pas trop tard!
ont pourrait faire un raliement a valence le samedi 7 avant midi, et on fait le we du 14 juillet (samedi dimanche) a antibes-juan les pins. chacun est dispo de reprendre la route de son coté a partir du dimanche 14 heures.
chaque soir une etape differente et un theme different a aborder... sa peut etre sympa!
la region est magnifique, de l'eau pour se baigner, de la campagne pour les randonneurs, des locations de quads ou canoés, a chaque etape!
les points majeurs pourraient etre briancon plus haute ville d'europe (fortifiée par vauban), ballade sur le lac de sainte croix en petits bateaux a moteurs avec pique nique, l'aqualand d'antibes-juan les pins avec ses orques et ses dauphins!
alors la, c'est plus attirant, ou faut que je trouve autre chose?
PATRICK26
Bonsoir,
Je me permets de m'adresser à vous pour avoir des infos. J'habite également en Loire Atlantique. J'envisageais l'achat d'un iveco 7012 (7, 50 m) dans lequel je ne voulais conserver que 6 sièges à l'arrière en plus des sièges conducteur et passager (j'ai 4 enfants).Il n'avait pas de porte conducteur, mais 2 portes latérales gauche(avant et arrière). Je voulais monter une cloison entre la partie "cabine" et la partie fourgon. Les sièges arrières n'avaient pas de ceintures. Le but était de partir en voyage un peu "roots", sans faire d'aménagement fixe, mais d'amener des matelas dans la partie fourgon et un réchaud dans le coffre. La Drire de Nantes a refusé le projet en prétextant qu'il fallait une porte à l'arrière par rangée de siège !... soit 2 portes latérales droite, puisqu'on conservait 2 rangées de sièges).
J'ai maintenant trouvé un mecedes 410 (minibus 20 places) avec porte conducteur et 2 portes latérales gauche, mais pas de ceintures de sécurité à l'arrière (il est de 1991), et j'envisage la même chose : garder 4 sièges derrière en plus des 2 de devant ; une cloison et un espace "fourgon" pour le transport des matelas. J'ai l'impression que la Drire n'a pas envie de se casser la tête à chercher la solution dans les textes, et j'ai peur de me faire bouler de la même façon. À ce train-là, quand on les écoute, rien n'est faisable et on est tous des hors-la-loi !
Je ne sais donc pas comment les amener à se pencher un peu sur mon cas pour essayer de trouver une solution... Êtes-vous passé par eux (Nantes), et que pensez-vous de mon projet, est-ce jouable ?
Merci pour votre avis et à très bientôt j'espère !
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Call the regulatory authority and tell them what you explained (about the 2 doors)!
For the partition, they're likely to be quite strict and ask you for a manufacturer partition! Fair warning—that's going to cost you some money! Since it already exists for vans with extended cabs for tradespeople like masons, for example.
Since you're changing the vehicle class (commercial to private), they might also force you to add seat belts in the back!
Try to find a van with an extended cab originally set up for 6 or 7 seats that already has the partition! There are some on the market....
Something like this one:
http://truckscout24.fr/search/fra/detail.asp?vehicletype_id=2&vehicle_id=8587801&make=0&mid=12&page=3&language=fra
And then all your problems are solved at once!
PATRICK26
Call the regulatory authority and tell them what you explained (about the 2 doors)!
For the partition, they're likely to be quite strict and ask you for a manufacturer partition! Fair warning—that's going to cost you some money! Since it already exists for vans with extended cabs for tradespeople like masons, for example.
Since you're changing the vehicle class (commercial to private), they might also force you to add seat belts in the back!
Try to find a van with an extended cab originally set up for 6 or 7 seats that already has the partition! There are some on the market....
Something like this one:
http://truckscout24.fr/search/fra/detail.asp?vehicletype_id=2&vehicle_id=8587801&make=0&mid=12&page=3&language=fra
And then all your problems are solved at once!
PATRICK26
Hi.
I have a project to set up living accommodation on a Renault Midliner S 130 - with a max GVWR of 7,500kg and a cargo box body.
I heard about a site like this one that covers the same topic but for trucks. If anyone knows about it, please let me know.
Thanks in advance and see you soon.
I have a project to set up living accommodation on a Renault Midliner S 130 - with a max GVWR of 7,500kg and a cargo box body.
I heard about a site like this one that covers the same topic but for trucks. If anyone knows about it, please let me know.
Thanks in advance and see you soon.
By the way, typo correction: it's http://www.camion4x4.com/
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
Just type camion4x4.com in the Internet Explorer address bar.
Indeed, it's been a while since you've needed to type the www.
Indeed, it's been a while since you've needed to type the www.
CHRISTIAN
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
Yes, but 'trucks' in plural as written above doesn't work ;)
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
Hi patrick26 and everyone else
it would be really nice to meet up but for July 14th I've already got the weekend booked 😕 and for June I'm not sure if I'll be done 🤪
thanks anyway everyone
ggbdb65 I'm waiting for you to come see me?? 🙂 Call me, we'll chat about RV setup. There's a 3-day weekend coming up, take advantage if others want to come, they're very welcome
it would be really nice to meet up but for July 14th I've already got the weekend booked 😕 and for June I'm not sure if I'll be done 🤪
thanks anyway everyone
ggbdb65 I'm waiting for you to come see me?? 🙂 Call me, we'll chat about RV setup. There's a 3-day weekend coming up, take advantage if others want to come, they're very welcome
First point:
If like me you're wondering about the 2-meter emergency exit requirement, know that there's a clause stating you only need it IF the space is closed off with a device other than a simple fabric curtain.
Does that apply to a bathroom in the bus? (Personally, for safety in the bathroom, I put a hardboard panel on the front that's easy to rip off in case of fire, and then you can smash the window with the hammer that's attached to the frame.)
Second point:
In my village (8,000 people), near Thionville in Moselle, we host quite a few events every year, including a motorcycle rally. We have a pretty large multipurpose hall surrounded by several open areas, and there's always a good crowd (most of them don't live in town—people don't really get out much around here), but they come thanks to the publicity we do across the region.
The bikes come from all corners of Eastern France, and there are side activities: quad presentations, road safety demonstrations, etc., plus food and a bar. There's also an admission fee (5 euros for a full day).
It's obvious that people who have to travel with their motorhomes are at a disadvantage, unless we organize multiple rallies in different locations, which would let people from Brittany come see the motorhomes of people from the Southeast, and vice versa 4 months later.
But the thing is, we're the ones doing the traveling. There's just one catch: it's less spectacular, but by bringing more and more local people to see 3 converted motorhomes, and about a dozen people presenting theirs via plans, videos, etc., it could really take off.
So we could set up annual gatherings on-site (a big undertaking, but with plenty of vehicles showing up), but this solution will take a few years to implement.
The problem is that we only know each other through the internet, and it's a whole logistical puzzle. The only way to "rake in some cash" and thus not penalize people burning through liters of fuel would be to reimburse them through entry fees from curious visitors and people who want to benefit from our experience.
Why not form an association and then organize meetups...
I think the site I'm proposing in Moselle could work for this kind of gathering. There are places to visit in the area too, but it would be less 'family-friendly', more of an exhibition vibe, with lots of people coming to see the motorhomes.
If like me you're wondering about the 2-meter emergency exit requirement, know that there's a clause stating you only need it IF the space is closed off with a device other than a simple fabric curtain.
Does that apply to a bathroom in the bus? (Personally, for safety in the bathroom, I put a hardboard panel on the front that's easy to rip off in case of fire, and then you can smash the window with the hammer that's attached to the frame.)
Second point:
In my village (8,000 people), near Thionville in Moselle, we host quite a few events every year, including a motorcycle rally. We have a pretty large multipurpose hall surrounded by several open areas, and there's always a good crowd (most of them don't live in town—people don't really get out much around here), but they come thanks to the publicity we do across the region.
The bikes come from all corners of Eastern France, and there are side activities: quad presentations, road safety demonstrations, etc., plus food and a bar. There's also an admission fee (5 euros for a full day).
It's obvious that people who have to travel with their motorhomes are at a disadvantage, unless we organize multiple rallies in different locations, which would let people from Brittany come see the motorhomes of people from the Southeast, and vice versa 4 months later.
But the thing is, we're the ones doing the traveling. There's just one catch: it's less spectacular, but by bringing more and more local people to see 3 converted motorhomes, and about a dozen people presenting theirs via plans, videos, etc., it could really take off.
So we could set up annual gatherings on-site (a big undertaking, but with plenty of vehicles showing up), but this solution will take a few years to implement.
The problem is that we only know each other through the internet, and it's a whole logistical puzzle. The only way to "rake in some cash" and thus not penalize people burning through liters of fuel would be to reimburse them through entry fees from curious visitors and people who want to benefit from our experience.
Why not form an association and then organize meetups...
I think the site I'm proposing in Moselle could work for this kind of gathering. There are places to visit in the area too, but it would be less 'family-friendly', more of an exhibition vibe, with lots of people coming to see the motorhomes.
Hello!
I'm looking at a trailer for two motorcycles... to keep it lightweight, and I prefer to ride locally... But a trailer like yours—wouldn't that require a C+E license? It's definitely over 750kg!
Just to be sure: with a C license, you can tow a trailer under 750kg (or equal)... but not more, with the weight of the towing vehicle not coming into play.
That's what I understood reading some "official" text or other...
Can someone confirm...?
Thanks!
I'm looking at a trailer for two motorcycles... to keep it lightweight, and I prefer to ride locally... But a trailer like yours—wouldn't that require a C+E license? It's definitely over 750kg!
Just to be sure: with a C license, you can tow a trailer under 750kg (or equal)... but not more, with the weight of the towing vehicle not coming into play.
That's what I understood reading some "official" text or other...
Can someone confirm...?
Thanks!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
Hey!
CarHibou: I think you're right, license E(C) is required starting at 750 kg of trailer weight. You'll just need to verify the vehicle weight to see if the difference between the Total Weight when Loaded and the Maximum Allowed Gross Weight allows you to have your planned trailer.
Everyone: a Camping Bus meet-up? Of course I'm interested! And the further west, the better!
Most likely, I won't have a bus yet. But that's okay, I'll come with my ideas.
Piéton.
PS: What about a camping bus at one of these three bases? Interested?
CarHibou: I think you're right, license E(C) is required starting at 750 kg of trailer weight. You'll just need to verify the vehicle weight to see if the difference between the Total Weight when Loaded and the Maximum Allowed Gross Weight allows you to have your planned trailer.
Everyone: a Camping Bus meet-up? Of course I'm interested! And the further west, the better!
Most likely, I won't have a bus yet. But that's okay, I'll come with my ideas.
Piéton.
PS: What about a camping bus at one of these three bases? Interested?
Hi, to answer you — normally if it weighs less than 750 kg total you don't need a Category E license, as long as you don't exceed your GVWR and the trailer doesn't have registration papers. But I'm not 100% sure, so call the local police to check.
As for the event organizers, I think that's great even though I won't be able to make it. I hope there'll be another edition that I can attend.
If gx47 is on the forum, I wanted to let you know that I got the technical specs from Heulliez, and apparently if the rear axle has leaf springs plus air suspension, the authorized GVWR is indeed 13t, not 10.25t. What do you think?
Finally, I wanted to know—is VASP motorhome actually a heavy-duty camping car?
Hi everyone
As for the event organizers, I think that's great even though I won't be able to make it. I hope there'll be another edition that I can attend.
If gx47 is on the forum, I wanted to let you know that I got the technical specs from Heulliez, and apparently if the rear axle has leaf springs plus air suspension, the authorized GVWR is indeed 13t, not 10.25t. What do you think?
Finally, I wanted to know—is VASP motorhome actually a heavy-duty camping car?
Hi everyone
Hey everyone...
Well, there are 122 pages on this topic by now, and I don't have the energy to go through them all—especially since I don't have internet at home right now and have to use an internet café. So maybe I'm asking something that's already been covered. If so, thanks for just pointing me to the right post!
I own a Renault S45 that I want to reclassify as a CTTE Van. The DRIRE is asking for a descriptive notice about the reclassification and a manufacturer's certificate confirming the vehicle meets CTTE Van standards. Do you know where I can get these documents? I'm having trouble getting in touch.
What modifications do I need to make? (Cabin wall/rear? The DRIRE doesn't mention them. Any other mods?)
I'm open to other tips too...! :)
Thanks!! :)
Hi,
For the descriptive notice, it's a document you create yourself—kind of a diagram of your bus and explanations of your modifications so they can see if it complies with regulations before viewing your vehicle.
For the manufacturer's certificate, you need to ask Irisbus—they handle the S45 and S53. I don't have their phone number anymore, but you can find Irisbus's number and ask them for the right contact to get this document.
P.S.: this document just gives the maximum weight on the front and rear axles—pretty silly but mandatory. It gets more complicated if you've modified the body or frame, but if that's not the case you just need this document.
Didn't they also ask you for weighing tickets for the front and rear? To get them you just need to have your bus weighed at a company with a heavy-duty scale—you can easily find those at agricultural companies. For me it cost €10 at the grain silo 300m from my place.
For the manufacturer's certificate, you need to ask Irisbus—they handle the S45 and S53. I don't have their phone number anymore, but you can find Irisbus's number and ask them for the right contact to get this document.
P.S.: this document just gives the maximum weight on the front and rear axles—pretty silly but mandatory. It gets more complicated if you've modified the body or frame, but if that's not the case you just need this document.
Didn't they also ask you for weighing tickets for the front and rear? To get them you just need to have your bus weighed at a company with a heavy-duty scale—you can easily find those at agricultural companies. For me it cost €10 at the grain silo 300m from my place.
Hi there,
I actually managed to read and reread all these pages – all 122 of them!
First, I'm so glad I found this forum on something that's timely for me right now – I'm also a proud motorhome owner since late November 2006. I bought mine even before discovering these discussions. The further I read, the more I realized just how many challenges there are – especially the administrative side of things. But I was determined to push through, and I'm nearly there. I'm waiting for my VERITAS appointment for the installation.
I've been wanting for a while to talk with all you experts about my questions, but by reading and rereading everything, I found the answers. PATRICK 26 deserves a lot of credit for his fantastic blog. Thanks to everyone for all the answers you share with the community.
So that's it – I'm taking my first step. But I do have one question for tonight about insurance: can someone recommend a company that'll insure my motorhome? I'm really struggling with this and it's pretty discouraging. I wanted to add some photos but they're too large.
Anyway, I'll leave you for now and thanks again to everyone!
🙂 jerry
I actually managed to read and reread all these pages – all 122 of them!
First, I'm so glad I found this forum on something that's timely for me right now – I'm also a proud motorhome owner since late November 2006. I bought mine even before discovering these discussions. The further I read, the more I realized just how many challenges there are – especially the administrative side of things. But I was determined to push through, and I'm nearly there. I'm waiting for my VERITAS appointment for the installation.
I've been wanting for a while to talk with all you experts about my questions, but by reading and rereading everything, I found the answers. PATRICK 26 deserves a lot of credit for his fantastic blog. Thanks to everyone for all the answers you share with the community.
So that's it – I'm taking my first step. But I do have one question for tonight about insurance: can someone recommend a company that'll insure my motorhome? I'm really struggling with this and it's pretty discouraging. I wanted to add some photos but they're too large.
Anyway, I'll leave you for now and thanks again to everyone!
🙂 jerry
Hey! If you drive a bus you need Category D. Downclassed bus you need Category C. Bus with trailer you need E.D. Downclassed bus with trailer:
If the PTRA of the combination is less than 12,500 kg you need Category C.
If the PTRA of the combination is more than 12,500 kg you need E.C (Super heavy).
I don't know if there's a bus with a PTRA less than 12,500 kg...
It's also possible to not have a PTRA and not have the right to hitch a trailer, even one under 500 kg
I don't know if there's a bus with a PTRA less than 12,500 kg...
It's also possible to not have a PTRA and not have the right to hitch a trailer, even one under 500 kg
Hi legx47 (without the rear wing)
I think there's something fishy going on here
I had the original registration with the red stamp, plus the one from Heuliez, plus one from Renault (they made a mistake and sent me the chassis descriptor instead of the original base vehicle document, but it's actually more complete) plus Renault's original paperwork before the conversion.
And all of them EXCEPT the Heuliez copy state: "PTRA 13T500 mechanical suspension / 10T mixed suspension"
Actually, originally mine was rated 10T250 (the 250 for Telma brakes) and when I changed my registration with the Heuliez copy, it went up to 13T750 with the registration office manager's approval (took about 15 minutes).
Normally the registration shows: Type: VASP, bodywork: caravan
And all of them EXCEPT the Heuliez copy state: "PTRA 13T500 mechanical suspension / 10T mixed suspension"
Actually, originally mine was rated 10T250 (the 250 for Telma brakes) and when I changed my registration with the Heuliez copy, it went up to 13T750 with the registration office manager's approval (took about 15 minutes).
Normally the registration shows: Type: VASP, bodywork: caravan
GX47
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
Hello everyone,
I finally made it through 122 forum pages packed with great info!
I'm currently looking for a bus or truck to convert into my home (after a C35 and a Saviem SM6 that served me well).
I have a small budget between 2000 and 6000 euros for buying the bus, so I'm going to look at older buses like the Saviem S45, etc.
I'd really like some advice on choosing a bus (given my budget and the type of vehicle I'm looking for) – for example, which models to avoid, how to recognize different chassis, since apparently some chassis should be avoided, etc. – and maybe other models or brands that are good and fit my budget. I'd really appreciate any info you can give me about choosing the right model.
Safe travels to all!!!
Hi everyone. Back soon from my overseas trip, I'll be able to seriously focus on this bus project. So I'm really motivated to come to this new meetup (this time I'll take proper notes). Especially since if it happens in Valencia I'm not far away (Ardèche) and the atmosphere of the first meetup was really nice.
Take care and see you soon.
Lucas
Lucas
Hello.
The forum cop confirms.
If the trailer weighs less than 750 kg, no specific license needed.
No registration required either if the trailer weighs less than 500 kg.
DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO CONCEPTS!!!!
However, registration is the same for the trailer as for the towing vehicle if the trailer weighs less than 500 kg, since no separate registration is required.
For trailers with registration, be careful—you'll need separate, specific insurance for the trailer.
Best regards.
Gaël.
DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO CONCEPTS!!!!
However, registration is the same for the trailer as for the towing vehicle if the trailer weighs less than 500 kg, since no separate registration is required.
For trailers with registration, be careful—you'll need separate, specific insurance for the trailer.
Best regards.
Gaël.
Eh ben, Ya du boulot!!
http://www.aavl.fr
http://gasmobil.skyrock.fr
Hi!
Is it two, three, or four concepts?
The weight considered for the trailer: I'm not sure anymore if it's empty or loaded...?
And what about the GVWR concept? Can you tow a trailer under 500kg (or 750kg if you add registration and insurance...), carrying a ton of cargo, while staying under the tractor vehicle's GVWR, with just a simple C-class license? (When I say a ton, it's just for example, but easily doable...)
Did I understand correctly?
Thanks!
Is it two, three, or four concepts?
The weight considered for the trailer: I'm not sure anymore if it's empty or loaded...?
And what about the GVWR concept? Can you tow a trailer under 500kg (or 750kg if you add registration and insurance...), carrying a ton of cargo, while staying under the tractor vehicle's GVWR, with just a simple C-class license? (When I say a ton, it's just for example, but easily doable...)
Did I understand correctly?
Thanks!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
Hello everyone
Yes Gasmobil, you're right, but in my opinion that's not the right answer to the problem, or rather it's not the right question. I don't really see the point of putting a trailer under 750 kg when you have a bus converted into a motorhome🙂. In our holds and storage compartments we can carry several cargo trailers, and why take an additional (small) caravan when we already have several bedrooms? Not to mention the absurdity—I can't picture an ERKA on the back of my FR1 😏! No, I'm talking here in all cases and obviously about a trailer over 750 kg. Heavy trailer, car carrier.
I made a mistake in my previous message 😊—I incorrectly equated C with heavy vehicle and EC with super-heavy, but that's wrong. In any case we'll need the EC license, but if the PTRA exceeds 12,500 kg we'll need the unlimited EC license—that's what I meant to say, you'll confirm.
Best regards
Yes Gasmobil, you're right, but in my opinion that's not the right answer to the problem, or rather it's not the right question. I don't really see the point of putting a trailer under 750 kg when you have a bus converted into a motorhome🙂. In our holds and storage compartments we can carry several cargo trailers, and why take an additional (small) caravan when we already have several bedrooms? Not to mention the absurdity—I can't picture an ERKA on the back of my FR1 😏! No, I'm talking here in all cases and obviously about a trailer over 750 kg. Heavy trailer, car carrier.
I made a mistake in my previous message 😊—I incorrectly equated C with heavy vehicle and EC with super-heavy, but that's wrong. In any case we'll need the EC license, but if the PTRA exceeds 12,500 kg we'll need the unlimited EC license—that's what I meant to say, you'll confirm.
Best regards
Hello!
For me it's simple: just being able to carry two motorcycles for local travel... It's simpler than storing the bikes lying down (or not) in the cargo holds, even if a double-level setup makes it a bit easier...
After that, if there's some extra space left over, all the better! ;)
See you!
For me it's simple: just being able to carry two motorcycles for local travel... It's simpler than storing the bikes lying down (or not) in the cargo holds, even if a double-level setup makes it a bit easier...
After that, if there's some extra space left over, all the better! ;)
See you!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
ah yeah OK
well then reread gasmobil's response, if your trailer has a PTAC of less than 750 kg you don't need the E...
How much does each bike weigh?
Your permit situation isn't very clear... It's simple: for a single vehicle you need a Category C license, knowing that its weight can go up to 32T. Once you have a combination of vehicles you need a Category EC license. It's the power unit that determines the maximum allowed weight—knowing that it can go up to 60T. But the maximum allowed weight also depends, especially, on the component weight ratings. I mean, your trailer's weight rating can't exceed your maximum allowed weight. In the case of a bus, the maximum allowed weight is often quite low.
It's not very clear. Yeah, you're right and I'll tell you why: it depends on when you got your license, because depending on the date you have different equivalencies. You could have restrictions or limitations. Some might have category D but limited to a 50 km radius, some will have ED with D and others won't, others have EC with C but limited to 12,500 kg. Some have B and the right to drive a 125cc motorcycle (A1), others don't.
One person's case isn't necessarily the same as another's. You have to look at each case individually. We could debate this for pages and pages. We're all right.
My bus has a GVWR of 22,000 kg—it weighs 13,250 kg empty and my wife weighs 45 kg —so that still leaves quite a bit of room, doesn't it?
One person's case isn't necessarily the same as another's. You have to look at each case individually. We could debate this for pages and pages. We're all right.
My bus has a GVWR of 22,000 kg—it weighs 13,250 kg empty and my wife weighs 45 kg —so that still leaves quite a bit of room, doesn't it?
Hi Patrick, I'm the owner of a TRM 4000 truck, a heavy-duty 4x4 that I've converted into a campervan, but I need to get it inspected soon. I wanted to know if it needs a tachograph even though it's a campervan now (it doesn't have one because it's an old military truck). Thanks in advance for your help!!!
Hi!
@amèle: About the tachograph: no need for private use. I've driven TRM 280 and 360 (turbo) trucks for the Marine Commando School and did my all-terrain training on them, among other things: they can clear a two-meter sand wall and I had a lot of fun on the back roads of the Massif Central! :)))) I hope you have a great time with yours! They were good machines, with reliable and accessible mechanics! ;)
Trailer: As for the license dates: in theory that doesn't change anything, since I imagine only the stamps on the pink paper count! You can't tell a traffic officer, "Oh yes I can! Since I passed it in such-and-such a year I can tow a trailer nah-nah-nah!" So with my category C license, even if I have the EB which unfortunately has nothing to do with it here, I'd be limited to 750kg (PTAC) for a trailer, even with a 26-tonne truck... In theory 750kg will be enough for me, but I'm asking for the others too...
@fr159: Bikes: a classic 500Z around 210kg, and probably a 600 Transalp, about 175kg... On a second-hand truck sales site, I found some two-axle tarped trailers under 500kg I think, pretty cheap... in Germany if I remember right... But if I'm limited on weight, it'll probably just be a closed two-seater motorcycle trailer....
Catch you later!
@amèle: About the tachograph: no need for private use. I've driven TRM 280 and 360 (turbo) trucks for the Marine Commando School and did my all-terrain training on them, among other things: they can clear a two-meter sand wall and I had a lot of fun on the back roads of the Massif Central! :)))) I hope you have a great time with yours! They were good machines, with reliable and accessible mechanics! ;)
Trailer: As for the license dates: in theory that doesn't change anything, since I imagine only the stamps on the pink paper count! You can't tell a traffic officer, "Oh yes I can! Since I passed it in such-and-such a year I can tow a trailer nah-nah-nah!" So with my category C license, even if I have the EB which unfortunately has nothing to do with it here, I'd be limited to 750kg (PTAC) for a trailer, even with a 26-tonne truck... In theory 750kg will be enough for me, but I'm asking for the others too...
@fr159: Bikes: a classic 500Z around 210kg, and probably a 600 Transalp, about 175kg... On a second-hand truck sales site, I found some two-axle tarped trailers under 500kg I think, pretty cheap... in Germany if I remember right... But if I'm limited on weight, it'll probably just be a closed two-seater motorcycle trailer....
Catch you later!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
Hey jerry34,
regarding your insurance, I'm with MAAF.
When I asked them about my Volvo, they just needed the weight and horsepower to create a special file.
We had to set up a file because, of course, they couldn't find it under the traditional motorhome category !
zut
Hi Mrvolvo, 🙂
Thanks so much for the info—it's really helpful, because finding an insurance company for this type of vehicle is no small task. Kestarv also mentioned MAIF to me, so I'm planning on calling both to compare rates. Some people were mentioning 300 to 400/year—is that a realistic price? If so, what coverage is included? 🤪
Talk soon!!! 🙂
Thanks so much for the info—it's really helpful, because finding an insurance company for this type of vehicle is no small task. Kestarv also mentioned MAIF to me, so I'm planning on calling both to compare rates. Some people were mentioning 300 to 400/year—is that a realistic price? If so, what coverage is included? 🤪
Talk soon!!! 🙂


FYI: a double-decker coach 12m long, classified as a truck, but allowed to drive on Sundays or public holidays without mandatory breaks, class C license (or EC with a 7-tonne trailer): http://www.motorhomevip.com/
I think it needs to be certified as VASP CARAVAN???
Hello.
I sincerely apologize!!!
When talking about vehicles, we always refer to the gross vehicle weight rating. The 500 kg threshold requires vehicle registration but not a special license.
The 750 kg threshold requires an EC driving license.
It seems obvious to me that you should never exceed the GVWR of a vehicle, whatever the trailer, registration, or license situation.
So to sum it up: you don't put 1000 kg in a 500 kg GVWR trailer, and you never exceed the GVWR under any circumstances.
Best regards.
I sincerely apologize!!!
When talking about vehicles, we always refer to the gross vehicle weight rating. The 500 kg threshold requires vehicle registration but not a special license.
The 750 kg threshold requires an EC driving license.
It seems obvious to me that you should never exceed the GVWR of a vehicle, whatever the trailer, registration, or license situation.
So to sum it up: you don't put 1000 kg in a 500 kg GVWR trailer, and you never exceed the GVWR under any circumstances.
Best regards.
Eh ben, Ya du boulot!!
http://www.aavl.fr
http://gasmobil.skyrock.fr
To drive with a commercial vehicle on a C license, that depends on the Ministry of Culture, not the Ministry of Transport—I mean, it must transport artists or others, and that's justified by the APE code or by Ministry of Culture documents...
Hi there!
Not exceeding the PTRA or PTAC: that makes sense... I was talking about a case with a trailer of 500kg empty weight that can carry 1 tonne of load... so 1500 PTAC! ;)
To sum it up clearly about trailers: you need vehicle registration and insurance above 500kg PTAC, an EC license above 750kg PTAC, while staying under the towing vehicle's technical PTRA limit, of course...
I hope that's clear now and there's no more confusion on this topic... rules often aren't presented clearly and comprehensively by the authorities!
Topic closed?
Good night and happy travels to everyone! :)
Not exceeding the PTRA or PTAC: that makes sense... I was talking about a case with a trailer of 500kg empty weight that can carry 1 tonne of load... so 1500 PTAC! ;)
To sum it up clearly about trailers: you need vehicle registration and insurance above 500kg PTAC, an EC license above 750kg PTAC, while staying under the towing vehicle's technical PTRA limit, of course...
I hope that's clear now and there's no more confusion on this topic... rules often aren't presented clearly and comprehensively by the authorities!
Topic closed?
Good night and happy travels to everyone! :)
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
So basically, any trailer over 750kg that requires the E(B) to tow behind a car will have to be towed with the E(C)? That's what I thought, but I'm just asking for confirmation. It's ridiculous but that's the law, because the license cost isn't the same: for example, I go on vacation with a Tabbert Comtesse 950 behind my BX, I need the E(B) license which should cost 200 euros and 2 days of training, but if I hitch that same caravan to my minibus, am I forced to take the E(C) course? Well then I can drive semis for the same price... but anyway
Hello!
Yeah, exactly! It's ridiculous (here we go again with the administration): me too, I can drive my car with a van and two horses behind it (even draft horses, even a four-seater van...), or a boat, or an agricultural trailer with 20 tons of grain on a tractor, ... and then, the day I have my motorhome, I'd be limited to 750kg... :(((((((((((((((
Common sense and the law sometimes don't make 2, they make 4, 8, 16!!!!! ;(
See you!
Yeah, exactly! It's ridiculous (here we go again with the administration): me too, I can drive my car with a van and two horses behind it (even draft horses, even a four-seater van...), or a boat, or an agricultural trailer with 20 tons of grain on a tractor, ... and then, the day I have my motorhome, I'd be limited to 750kg... :(((((((((((((((
Common sense and the law sometimes don't make 2, they make 4, 8, 16!!!!! ;(
See you!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
Check this out for category B license:
http://www.code-route.com/nouveaux.htm
In my opinion, if the GVWR of the trailer is less than the tare weight of the towing vehicle and the total combined weight is under 3500 kg, no special license needed 🤪
http://www.code-route.com/nouveaux.htm
In my opinion, if the GVWR of the trailer is less than the tare weight of the towing vehicle and the total combined weight is under 3500 kg, no special license needed 🤪
CHRISTIAN
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
Anyway, I'm not worried about it—I have a PTRA that's 750kg more than the PTAC... Also, is my PTRA based on the PTAC or on the vehicle's actual weight? For example: if my bus is at 14.5 tonnes, I can tow a 750 kg trailer, which corresponds to my PTRA of 15.25 tonnes. But if my bus only weighs 10 tonnes, can I drive with a 3-tonne trailer containing my car, for instance... (because my actual combined weight would only be 13 tonnes, which is below the manufacturer's PTRA of 15.25 tonnes).
And you really think that if your water tanks are empty, your chassis and the cross-member where your hitch is attached can handle more traction?
The plate on your truck spells out your red band, which should clearly tell you what you're allowed to tow!
Give it some thought....
With a Class C license it's 750kg behind you...and that's it!
With EC it's what the red band on your vehicle allows. For me that's 3500 kg with a mechanically braked trailer at the coupling and 7000 kg with a pneumatically braked trailer (the advantage of a truck chassis)! For S 45/53 it's indeed 750 kg if I'm not mistaken!
You've got to think about what you want to use your truck for before you buy it! If you want to tow heavy, get one that can do it!
I'm not talking about budget here (I don't want to get hammered 'again'), I'm talking about intelligence and proper planning!
I've been saying for years that projects like this need to be thought through completely before you commit to them! There'll be plenty of surprises left once the work starts!
You can find Mercedes S215 HD for 6500 euros (Bieron sells one at that price in excellent condition), you can find Iveco Lorraine for 4 or 5000 euros and they're solid vehicles, and both can really tow!
Make the right choice!
PATRICK26
The plate on your truck spells out your red band, which should clearly tell you what you're allowed to tow!
Give it some thought....
With a Class C license it's 750kg behind you...and that's it!
With EC it's what the red band on your vehicle allows. For me that's 3500 kg with a mechanically braked trailer at the coupling and 7000 kg with a pneumatically braked trailer (the advantage of a truck chassis)! For S 45/53 it's indeed 750 kg if I'm not mistaken!
You've got to think about what you want to use your truck for before you buy it! If you want to tow heavy, get one that can do it!
I'm not talking about budget here (I don't want to get hammered 'again'), I'm talking about intelligence and proper planning!
I've been saying for years that projects like this need to be thought through completely before you commit to them! There'll be plenty of surprises left once the work starts!
You can find Mercedes S215 HD for 6500 euros (Bieron sells one at that price in excellent condition), you can find Iveco Lorraine for 4 or 5000 euros and they're solid vehicles, and both can really tow!
Make the right choice!
PATRICK26
Hi, just a quick question:
Can you get a trailer hitch installed on a vehicle with 'PTRA NONE' marked on the red strikethrough?
Do you need to ask the manufacturer for permission and then redo an RTI?
Should you wait for the motorhome registration documents and see what happens next?
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15. After dinner in our little van, we enjoy the exceptional light illuminating the now-closed monastery. We’re the only visitors, and the site feels like a massive ship anchored on the Volga.

16. The setting sun now bathes the monastery walls in gorgeous pink hues!

17. Gradually, the legendary Volga itself takes on magical colors! For the night, I’ll just back the van up to level it. It’ll take us a while to fall asleep after such intense moments.

18. Just as inexplicably, the magic continues the next morning! Seeing I’m struggling with my knee, the guard lets us drive slowly along the monastery’s perimeter path. So there we are at dawn, solitary wanderers between the Volga and the monastery walls.

19. The morning light now illuminates the monastery’s eastern façade, which we hadn’t admired yesterday. An exceptional moment.

20. Even more impressive when we realize we’re on the nuns’ prayer path. We cross paths with them—tall, silent, black-clad figures, fully covered.

We leave Makaryevo with regret, following the Volga toward Kostroma on the Golden Ring. That’s about all there is to add.
We’ve already taken three long trips through Russia in our little van. The travel journals are shared in the link in our signature.
Best regards, Sylvie & Bernard
Today is January 7th, Orthodox Christmas Day.
It’s the perfect occasion to share on VF a religious site that left a lasting impression on us.
For a long time, we’d admired photos of the Makaryevo Women’s Monastery on Russian websites. They’re always taken from cruise hydrofoils that, in season, depart from Nizhny Novgorod.
This gave us the idea for a crazy challenge: to visit the monastery during a river cruise, with our little plumber’s van that’s become the common thread of our travels!
This challenge seemed impossible to pull off.
The equation was indeed impossible to solve
1. Find a dock 2. Load the van onto a boat 3. Cross the Volga 4. Arrive at sunset 5. Sail past the monastery 6. All with no reliable information. NONE!
Incredibly, every obstacle fell into place one after another! Gifting us unforgettable moments.
The photos follow our exact journey.
1. We arrive on the southern bank of the Volga, searching for a ferry to Makaryevo. First attempt, first failure—we’re way too far east. We find a second ferry, but it serves a different town on the northern bank.

2. We keep going and meet some fishermen. But even they don’t know where to board a vehicle for the monastery.

3. After several fruitless searches, a young man who speaks a few words of English points us to a dock where, in summer, boats *might* serve the monastery. Miraculously, at the end of a rough track, we find an old ferry moored. But no one’s on board, and a chain blocks the entrance.
After an hour of waiting, a worker arrives and tells us they *will* cross the Volga tonight,
but the exit ramp at Makaryevo isn’t accessible for our vehicle.
The captain joins him, and seeing our disappointed faces, they confer, discuss,
and load some planks to raise the ramp!Another miracle!
4. We board, with just one passenger accompanying us— the Trafic is the only vehicle on board.

5. The crossing was magical. And longer than expected, since the Volga here is several kilometers wide, and we’re navigating between countless islands!

6. Under a sky that gradually clears, we discover there are homes on the river— invisible from the banks—that form small communities where people get around by boat!

7. Then, suddenly, around a bend in the channel, the monastery appears in the distance on the northern bank.

8. At the exact moment our boat rounds the buoy and nears the monastery, the sun breaks through the clouds!

9. A breathtaking sight, with our boat gliding along the monastery walls in absolute silence.

10. The sky, now a deep blue, makes the vibrant colors of the onion domes pop.

11. We sail slowly past the monastery under extraordinary light— something our little compact camera can’t fully capture.

12. As promised, the captain and his crew adjust the exit ramp. You can’t tell from the photo, but even with the planks, it was a close call— the van’s chassis barely cleared the ramp. We thanked them warmly.

13. By the end of the day, the monastery is, of course, closed. But another miracle happens! It turns out the passenger who crossed with us is the mayor’s wife. When Sylvie told her we were from France, she called her husband, who immediately contacted the Mother Superior. Like in a dream, the monastery opens just for us. A nun and a guard come to meet us and take us through the chapels and gardens!

14. A visit all the more intimate since only the silent nuns, deep in prayer, are present in these sacred spaces.

15. After dinner in our little van, we enjoy the exceptional light illuminating the now-closed monastery. We’re the only visitors, and the site feels like a massive ship anchored on the Volga.

16. The setting sun now bathes the monastery walls in gorgeous pink hues!

17. Gradually, the legendary Volga itself takes on magical colors! For the night, I’ll just back the van up to level it. It’ll take us a while to fall asleep after such intense moments.

18. Just as inexplicably, the magic continues the next morning! Seeing I’m struggling with my knee, the guard lets us drive slowly along the monastery’s perimeter path. So there we are at dawn, solitary wanderers between the Volga and the monastery walls.

19. The morning light now illuminates the monastery’s eastern façade, which we hadn’t admired yesterday. An exceptional moment.

20. Even more impressive when we realize we’re on the nuns’ prayer path. We cross paths with them—tall, silent, black-clad figures, fully covered.

We leave Makaryevo with regret, following the Volga toward Kostroma on the Golden Ring. That’s about all there is to add.
We’ve already taken three long trips through Russia in our little van. The travel journals are shared in the link in our signature.
Best regards, Sylvie & Bernard
"Hey fellow road-trippers! 🚐🔥
After 4 years on the road, I’ve noticed something simple: we’re all looking for the same things. Authentic welcomes, great local eateries, and stops that don’t feel like supermarket parking lots.
But it’s always bugged me to see small producers or local guesthouses getting their margins eaten up by big booking platforms.
That’s why I created TerraNomad.
The concept is straightforward:
The pro (farmer, restaurant, small campsite, guesthouse) pays no commission to be on our map. In return, they offer a special welcome or discount to members.
It’s direct, local, and human. We’re starting in France, then heading together toward Morocco, Spain, and Portugal. Quick question: Does this kind of "no-middleman" network speak to you? I’m opening the first 100 Founding Member spots this Friday night (special launch price at 12 € for the year—just 1 € per month). Can’t wait to read your thoughts and see if you’d be up for this adventure! 🌍✋"
The pro (farmer, restaurant, small campsite, guesthouse) pays no commission to be on our map. In return, they offer a special welcome or discount to members.
It’s direct, local, and human. We’re starting in France, then heading together toward Morocco, Spain, and Portugal. Quick question: Does this kind of "no-middleman" network speak to you? I’m opening the first 100 Founding Member spots this Friday night (special launch price at 12 € for the year—just 1 € per month). Can’t wait to read your thoughts and see if you’d be up for this adventure! 🌍✋"
Is it complicated to rent a car and drive in Morocco? Also, is an international driver’s permit mandatory? Thanks
hi
where can you park a camper van in Trieste to sightsee and sleep?
thanks
Hi there,
Does anyone have a good agency recommendation for renting a camper van in Morocco (Marrakech or Essaouira) for about two weeks in March 2026?
Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone,
We’re a family of four—two adults with two kids aged 4 and 7—about to embark on a year-long round-the-world trip in a camper van. I’m currently planning the Asia leg, which should last about 6 months. We’ll arrive in Thailand in January, head north, then move on to Laos. Ideally, we’d continue to Vietnam, Cambodia, and then return to Thailand to head south into Malaysia. If the budget allows, we’d love to include China and Japan. The big question after lots of research is: how easy is it to temporarily import a vehicle into these countries? The info I’ve found is outdated (2019–2020), and given how quickly regulations change, I’d love to hear from anyone currently (or recently) traveling in these countries with their vehicle. I’ve read that you need a local guide in Vietnam, local license plates in China, and that importing a vehicle into China is quite complicated—are these rules still in place? More generally, is there a recommended route for this part of the world with a camper van?
Thanks in advance!
We’re a family of four—two adults with two kids aged 4 and 7—about to embark on a year-long round-the-world trip in a camper van. I’m currently planning the Asia leg, which should last about 6 months. We’ll arrive in Thailand in January, head north, then move on to Laos. Ideally, we’d continue to Vietnam, Cambodia, and then return to Thailand to head south into Malaysia. If the budget allows, we’d love to include China and Japan. The big question after lots of research is: how easy is it to temporarily import a vehicle into these countries? The info I’ve found is outdated (2019–2020), and given how quickly regulations change, I’d love to hear from anyone currently (or recently) traveling in these countries with their vehicle. I’ve read that you need a local guide in Vietnam, local license plates in China, and that importing a vehicle into China is quite complicated—are these rules still in place? More generally, is there a recommended route for this part of the world with a camper van?
Thanks in advance!
hello fellow travelers
For my golden years, I'd like to drive to India in my 508. I want to avoid Iran and Pakistan. Instead, I’m thinking of going through Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, then taking the ferry from Baku to Türkmenbaşy in Turkmenistan, followed by the Silk Road through Central Asia—Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.
After that, China? I’ve seen that some travelers manage to drive through China with their own vehicle... Then Tibet, Nepal, and India... But things get tricky with the Himalayan crossing. I’ve checked on Google—it looks tough.
Any tips or info on these routes? Thanks
After that, China? I’ve seen that some travelers manage to drive through China with their own vehicle... Then Tibet, Nepal, and India... But things get tricky with the Himalayan crossing. I’ve checked on Google—it looks tough.
Any tips or info on these routes? Thanks
Hi,
It seems that vans and campervans aren't allowed on Hurtigruten ferries?
We have a California van with a bike rack—length: 5.70 m / height: 2.20 m / width: 1.95 m.
We'd like to take the ferry from Trondheim to the Lofoten Islands this coming September.
Thanks for sharing any info!
regions Brittany, Rhône-Alpes, and Massif Central (Auvergne Limousin)
Hi fellow travelers,
We’re planning our first trip to Iceland.
We’re considering renting a 4x4 where we could sleep from time to time.
My question is: What’s the current regulation in Iceland? Which areas allow sleeping in your vehicle, and where is it prohibited (requiring you to stay in campgrounds)?
In June, is it possible to find spots without having booked in advance?
Sergio
Hi there,
We’re traveling in our camper van from Haute-Savoie.
We’ve got 2 weeks in April and want to explore northern Portugal.
We’re thinking of:
- Peneda-Gerês National Park - the Douro Valley - Porto
We love nature, hiking, and culture (and also good food and wine).😉
Do you have an itinerary to suggest?
Thanks in advance for your replies
We’re traveling in our camper van from Haute-Savoie.
We’ve got 2 weeks in April and want to explore northern Portugal.
We’re thinking of:
- Peneda-Gerês National Park - the Douro Valley - Porto
We love nature, hiking, and culture (and also good food and wine).😉
Do you have an itinerary to suggest?
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there,
We're planning a full week in Iceland in April. Given the short timeframe to prepare, I’m asking for some help on the forum.
We’re considering renting a camper van to be more independent with our travel. - Is this really a good idea at this time of year due to weather conditions (cold nights, poor road conditions, etc.)? - Can we just "park" anywhere for the night to sleep, or do we absolutely have to go to a campsite? What are the approximate rates for a van with 2 people? Do we need to book in advance? - If this mode of transport is recommended, do you have any good places to rent one?
Iceland is still a big island with lots of points of interest, so I think it’ll be tough to see everything in 8 days. - Are there parts of the island we should prioritize in April? We like hiking (nothing too long—6 or 7 hours is out of the question) and unique landscapes. - Are some sites inaccessible at this time of year? - Is Reykjavik worth stopping for a day or two?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Jeff
We're planning a full week in Iceland in April. Given the short timeframe to prepare, I’m asking for some help on the forum.
We’re considering renting a camper van to be more independent with our travel. - Is this really a good idea at this time of year due to weather conditions (cold nights, poor road conditions, etc.)? - Can we just "park" anywhere for the night to sleep, or do we absolutely have to go to a campsite? What are the approximate rates for a van with 2 people? Do we need to book in advance? - If this mode of transport is recommended, do you have any good places to rent one?
Iceland is still a big island with lots of points of interest, so I think it’ll be tough to see everything in 8 days. - Are there parts of the island we should prioritize in April? We like hiking (nothing too long—6 or 7 hours is out of the question) and unique landscapes. - Are some sites inaccessible at this time of year? - Is Reykjavik worth stopping for a day or two?
Thanks in advance for your answers!
Jeff
Hi there,
Most of the time when I travel, I tow a trailer with an ATV for my local trips... I’d love to hear from anyone who’s traveled with a trailer and a second vehicle of any kind—especially the downsides of towing a trailer in Norway, aside from ferry costs.
Thanks!
Most of the time when I travel, I tow a trailer with an ATV for my local trips... I’d love to hear from anyone who’s traveled with a trailer and a second vehicle of any kind—especially the downsides of towing a trailer in Norway, aside from ferry costs.
Thanks!
hi,
I’m planning a trip to Albania in a camper van, most likely between May, June, and early July (2027), for about 60 days. On the way down, I’ll go as far as Bari (or Brindisi) and cross by ferry, and on the way back, I’ll go through the former Yugoslavia (or maybe take the return ferry?).
Has anyone been there recently? What are the roads like, the must-see spots, and any general tips you can share?
There’ll probably be two of us traveling together.
Thanks
Hi there,
During our last trip to Greece in 2021, we used Anek Lines' open deck offer, which allowed us to spend the night in our van on an open deck by the sea with access to the ferry's bars, restaurant, and showers (on the Ancona-Igoumenitsa route).
From my initial research, it seems this service no longer exists—can anyone confirm this?
Any alternatives?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to drive my camper van to southern Spain in autumn 2026. Ideally, I’d like to find a ferry leaving from France (Marseille or Toulon, doesn’t matter) that drops me off as far south in Spain as possible. I’ve done some research but haven’t had any luck.
Thanks for your tips!
Vanouk
We’d like to spend 15 days in August visiting Normandy by camper van, starting from Lyon.
Has anyone got an itinerary to suggest for exploring Normandy?
We’d like to go to Calvados to visit: Flower Coast, Honfleur, Cabourg, Deauville, D-Day landing beaches
Mont Saint-Michel
Alabaster Coast, Étretat cliffs, and maybe Rouen Fabienne
We’d like to go to Calvados to visit: Flower Coast, Honfleur, Cabourg, Deauville, D-Day landing beaches
Mont Saint-Michel
Alabaster Coast, Étretat cliffs, and maybe Rouen Fabienne
Hi there,
I have a bit of a crazy dream... I'd love to drop everything and hit the road with my wife and kids in a camper van.
I want to visit villages to learn, immerse ourselves in other cultures, and see different perspectives on the world. To teach my kids different values.
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a campervan road trip and would love some tips from those who know these countries: Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, and Slovenia again. At the moment, nothing’s set in stone, but for example, is it better to visit Slovenia or Bosnia? My preferences lean toward landscapes (rivers, sea, lakes)—basically anywhere there’s water! :) Wild camping, cheap or even free spots, and a *very* tight budget—it’s the discovery, curiosity, and meeting locals that drive me. I’ll visit cities and sites only if access is easy (by bike, for example, or by train from an affordable campsite) and if visitors aren’t treated like cash cows. Just reasonable stuff, really. So, any advice is welcome—like swimming spots or easy hikes along coasts or rivers. I love caves and offbeat visits (salt mines in Poland, La Roque Saint-Christophe in France, etc.). Castles and old ruins? Not really my thing... Thanks for your help! Sylvia
I’m planning a campervan road trip and would love some tips from those who know these countries: Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, and Slovenia again. At the moment, nothing’s set in stone, but for example, is it better to visit Slovenia or Bosnia? My preferences lean toward landscapes (rivers, sea, lakes)—basically anywhere there’s water! :) Wild camping, cheap or even free spots, and a *very* tight budget—it’s the discovery, curiosity, and meeting locals that drive me. I’ll visit cities and sites only if access is easy (by bike, for example, or by train from an affordable campsite) and if visitors aren’t treated like cash cows. Just reasonable stuff, really. So, any advice is welcome—like swimming spots or easy hikes along coasts or rivers. I love caves and offbeat visits (salt mines in Poland, La Roque Saint-Christophe in France, etc.). Castles and old ruins? Not really my thing... Thanks for your help! Sylvia
Hi, I’m planning to pick up a camper van in Dubai and drive it back to France... is this even possible? What’s the best route? What are the main challenges? Are there secure parking areas along the way? Is diesel fuel available for the whole trip? ... So many questions... Thanks for your help! See you soon!
I'm planning to drive to the UAE by road, going through Iraq. Has anyone done this and can give me some info? Specifically about the border crossings Turkey/Iraq and Iraq/Kuwait.
Hi there,
I’d love to hear your thoughts on a trip to New Zealand in a campervan. Is it a good idea to mix hotels and a car on the North Island and a campervan on the South Island? Or should I do the whole trip in a campervan—though visiting big cities seems trickier that way.
Other questions: which companies do you recommend, and what are the least tiring or most sensible routes? 😄
Thanks for sharing your experiences and ideas!
Hi there,
We’re planning to tour Scandinavia by camper van—Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and Norway (in that order)—for 5 weeks from late May to late June 2026.
I’ve done it before, but that was way back in 1980 😎 and by hitchhiking!
We’d love to hear from anyone who’s done this trip about the best routes, great tips, must-know advice, and what to do or avoid (ferries, campsites, etc.).
Thanks in advance!
hi there,
We’re heading to southern England this summer in our camper van, including a stop in London.
Does anyone have a good experience with a campsite near London that has easy access to public transport to get into the city center? Ideally, we’d like to leave the camper van at the campsite...
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
We’re heading to southern England this summer in our camper van, including a stop in London.
Does anyone have a good experience with a campsite near London that has easy access to public transport to get into the city center? Ideally, we’d like to leave the camper van at the campsite...
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip with my camper van in autumn 2026 to head to southern Italy from Genoa by ferry.
Ideally, I’d like to leave from Genoa for southern Italy (like Messina) or another city in the boot.
I’ve done some research online but haven’t had any luck.
Can you help or give me some advice?
Thanks in advance!
Vanouk
Hi there, we’ll be in Portugal from March 9 to April 14, 2026. We’ve booked our first five days in Lisbon for sightseeing. After that, we’d like to rent a campervan (RV), but we’re having trouble finding a good site for the rental. The rental would be for about three weeks. Do you have any suggestions for us? We think it’s best to book the campervan before we arrive. And since we’re not mechanics, we need a vehicle in good condition...
Thanks so much for your suggestions. We’re open to everything—even route ideas and places to visit! Pierrette
Thanks so much for your suggestions. We’re open to everything—even route ideas and places to visit! Pierrette






