Converting a heavy-duty bus/coach/truck into a motorhome
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GG Ggbdb65 ·
Bonjour a vous tous,

Pour ma part: je n'ai pas encore le permis C, je n' ai pas encore de car, mais je garde mon projet en tête, et je suis têtu.

Les rencontres de Chabeuil en Sept 2006 ont été une réussite, c'est incontestable Patrick.

Il est vrai que cette idée de nous retrouver le WE du 14 juillet me ferait bien plaisir de revoir certains. Mais pourquoi remettre ça sur le dos de Patrick!! Il est bon de donner, mais qu'il est agréable de recevoir et se laisser porter. Offrons lui donc cette fois ce plaisir de venir en touriste.

Ne serait il pas possible de déplacer cette rencontre un peu vers l'ouest? Bretons, Normands, Ch'tis, + ceux que j'oublie pourraient peut être se joindre à cette fête, car les distances seraient plus équitables pour tous ceux qui voudraient nous rejoindre, si nous nous rapprochions du centre de la France.

Jeune retraité (un peu déglingué par une opération chirurgicale qui n'a pas été un succès), je mets mon temps à votre disposition pour que vous me donniez un peu de votre moral pour regonfler le mien.

Je demande donc à ceux qui me liront s'ils ne connaissent pas un lieu (terrain de sport, salle de fêtes ou salle des jeunes) avec parking, que l'on pourrait demander à utiliser en expliquant pourquoi, ce qui pourrait créer une animation originale dans un petit village.

Je veux bien me charger des tractations avec les autorités locales que vous m'indiquerez.

POUR ARRIVER A BON PORT ETAPE 1 chercher ce lieu et me le communiquer au plus vite, pour que le 25 mai au plus tard, le contrat soit passé. ETAPE2 inscriptions des participants, et ce pour le 22 juin au plus tard ETAPE3 rencontre du WE DU 14/07/07, avec ateliers, documentations, réalisations et débats que vous aurez sollicités.

Je suis prêt à aider toutes les bonnes volontés, et à coordonner l'organisation, à condition toutefois de me retrouver avec deux ou trois autres bonnes volontés!

Je l'aurai bien fait par chez moi, mais je suis trop excentré (hautes pyrénées).

La non réalisation de l'étape 1 dans les délais rendra malheureusement la suite impossible.

Alors aidons nous les uns les autres, bougeons nous, inventons, bouillonnons dans nos cerveaux, ......j'attends vos messages dans ma MP, et vous tiendrai au courant en faisant un point de temps en temps. Bien amicalement GG
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GX GX47 Regular ·
çà c'est sympa, on peut pas demander mieux 🙂
GX47

ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
WA Wampas ·
Hello!! tu n'auras pas de probleme a homologé ton bus anglais en France en collection la seul condition c qu'il es plus de 25 ans. tu peus toujour me tenir au courant de tes avancement sur mon mail"aljunina@hotmail.com" qu'elle model a tu? moi je suis a coté de sete. Vive les double bus!!!! deux fois plus d'espace!! et le charme anglais!!!
la muse d'ô
FR Fr159 Regular ·
Bonjour à tous,

Gégé a raison, c’est pas toujours les mêmes qui doivent bosser, faut qu’il y en ait d’autres qui s’investissent.

Le Ch’ti est là :

J’ai l’endroit, un petit village en plein milieu de la forêt de Mormal, très beau cadre à côté d’un camping ou nous pourrions profiter des sanitaires et du branchement électrique. Une salle de réception, un bar, une prairie ou nous pourrions pratiquer des activités. Le 14 juillet, il fait beau normalement.

Le 14 juillet est un samedi, il y en donc qui bosse la veille. Mais là n’est pas ma plus grosse interrogation. Patrick, Boniz38, Christobale et Cunni ont environ 1500 kms A-R Ggbdb, José6440, Gasmobil et Pandree ont plus de 2000 kms A-R Et les bretons ont également jusqu'à 1500 kms Pour les gens de l’est c’est plus près comme Mrvolvob10m

Il sera très dur à quiconque de satisfaire tout le monde. Moi-même je ne suis pas sur d’être là si Patrick l’organise, car il faut bien être conscient et regarder les choses en face. Ce ne sont pas les kilomètres qui me font peur, c’est le fric que l’ont n’a pas forcement envie ou qu’on a pas à dépenser en fumée quand on sait que son véhicule consomme 25 litres au 100.

Je suis près à l’organiser mais avant de me lancer, j’aimerais que les uns et les autres me donnent une réponse sur leur participation.

Amitiés
http://fr15966.skyblog.com/
HO Hotware Regular ·
Je suis un peu d'accord, le centre peut paraitre une bonne idée mais au final ne pas etre le meilleur choix. Autant voir qui peut venir, comment il vient, etc. Si 10 gars viennent du sud avec leur car pour 2-3 bretons, pas très cools pour eux. Il semble que le sud-est soit bien plus avancé dans les travaux, moi pour le 14 juillet je pense etre en plein milieu de l'aménagement (et pas le droit de le conduire vu que j'ai le C et pas le D). Du coup autant faire ca dans le sud. Pas dit qu'un camping veuilles nous accueillir un 14juillet (pleine saison pour eux). Le truc à prendre en compte ca serait un accès train facile. Avec le TGV on est vite rendu à pas mal d'endroit pour un coût très raisonnable pour peu de réserver 1 mois à l'avance.
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
pour moi, aucun probleme de distance!

nous sommes en vacances du 6 au soir au 22 au soir!

donc, reunion ou vous voulez!

je proposait en drome car je connait tres bien mon departement et c'est le 1er departement francais derriere les departements de bord de mer et paris, question tourisme!

donc, je suis sur de trouver de quoi faire un bon we!

maintenant, il est vrai que certains peuvent venir de loin avec leur bus... mais qui?

josé, fr159, d'autres?

qui viendrait sans son bus ou viendrait meme s'il n'en a pas?

la proposition de ggdbdb65 est geniale, mais il faut faire en fonction des reponses!

hotware a raison, il faut aussi rester pres d'une grande ligne tgv. en sept 2006 plusieurs etaient arrivés par ce moyen de locomotion. une autoroute pas loin, c'est bien aussi!

autre solution, encore plus long (5 ou 7 jours) comme cela ceux qui viennent de loin ne viennent pas pour rien, et on fait "la route napoleon". depart de valence, gorges du verdon, lac de sainte croix, draguignan, et enfin, antibes-juan les pins!

mais la, il faut des engagements fermes, avec ou sans bus, pour faire les reservations tout au long du parcours! il n'est pas trop tard!

ont pourrait faire un raliement a valence le samedi 7 avant midi, et on fait le we du 14 juillet (samedi dimanche) a antibes-juan les pins. chacun est dispo de reprendre la route de son coté a partir du dimanche 14 heures.

chaque soir une etape differente et un theme different a aborder... sa peut etre sympa!

la region est magnifique, de l'eau pour se baigner, de la campagne pour les randonneurs, des locations de quads ou canoés, a chaque etape!

les points majeurs pourraient etre briancon plus haute ville d'europe (fortifiée par vauban), ballade sur le lac de sainte croix en petits bateaux a moteurs avec pique nique, l'aqualand d'antibes-juan les pins avec ses orques et ses dauphins!

alors la, c'est plus attirant, ou faut que je trouve autre chose?

PATRICK26
GW Gwenaell ·
Bonsoir, Je me permets de m'adresser à vous pour avoir des infos. J'habite également en Loire Atlantique. J'envisageais l'achat d'un iveco 7012 (7, 50 m) dans lequel je ne voulais conserver que 6 sièges à l'arrière en plus des sièges conducteur et passager (j'ai 4 enfants).Il n'avait pas de porte conducteur, mais 2 portes latérales gauche(avant et arrière). Je voulais monter une cloison entre la partie "cabine" et la partie fourgon. Les sièges arrières n'avaient pas de ceintures. Le but était de partir en voyage un peu "roots", sans faire d'aménagement fixe, mais d'amener des matelas dans la partie fourgon et un réchaud dans le coffre. La Drire de Nantes a refusé le projet en prétextant qu'il fallait une porte à l'arrière par rangée de siège !... soit 2 portes latérales droite, puisqu'on conservait 2 rangées de sièges). J'ai maintenant trouvé un mecedes 410 (minibus 20 places) avec porte conducteur et 2 portes latérales gauche, mais pas de ceintures de sécurité à l'arrière (il est de 1991), et j'envisage la même chose : garder 4 sièges derrière en plus des 2 de devant ; une cloison et un espace "fourgon" pour le transport des matelas. J'ai l'impression que la Drire n'a pas envie de se casser la tête à chercher la solution dans les textes, et j'ai peur de me faire bouler de la même façon. À ce train-là, quand on les écoute, rien n'est faisable et on est tous des hors-la-loi ! Je ne sais donc pas comment les amener à se pencher un peu sur mon cas pour essayer de trouver une solution... Êtes-vous passé par eux (Nantes), et que pensez-vous de mon projet, est-ce jouable ? Merci pour votre avis et à très bientôt j'espère !
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PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
Play it smart!

Call the regulatory authority and tell them what you explained (about the 2 doors)!

For the partition, they're likely to be quite strict and ask you for a manufacturer partition! Fair warning—that's going to cost you some money! Since it already exists for vans with extended cabs for tradespeople like masons, for example.

Since you're changing the vehicle class (commercial to private), they might also force you to add seat belts in the back!

Try to find a van with an extended cab originally set up for 6 or 7 seats that already has the partition! There are some on the market....

Something like this one:

http://truckscout24.fr/search/fra/detail.asp?vehicletype_id=2&vehicle_id=8587801&make=0&mid=12&page=3&language=fra

And then all your problems are solved at once!

PATRICK26
CH Chrisio ·
Hi.

I have a project to set up living accommodation on a Renault Midliner S 130 - with a max GVWR of 7,500kg and a cargo box body.

I heard about a site like this one that covers the same topic but for trucks. If anyone knows about it, please let me know.

Thanks in advance and see you soon.
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
He should find more information on www.camions4x4.com because it's a heavy-duty vehicle.

Alright, I'm stepping away from the keyboard for now, I'm going to go vote!

PATRICK26
CH Chrisio ·
Not really, but it's super kind of you to have suggested that.

What I'm looking for isn't brand-specific, but I'll keep it! Thanks so much.

If anyone else knows about it, please let me know.
HO Hotware Regular ·
By the way, typo correction: it's http://www.camion4x4.com/
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
CH Christian06 Veteran ·
Just type camion4x4.com in the Internet Explorer address bar.

Indeed, it's been a while since you've needed to type the www.
CHRISTIAN

"Ne pas rire, ce n'est pas sérieux"
HO Hotware Regular ·
Yes, but 'trucks' in plural as written above doesn't work ;)
Aménager un Camping-car dans un bus
NI Ninser ·
Hi Sputnick, I'm looking for a converted Saviem. If you want to sell yours, let me know here or ninser@free.fr. Thanks in advance, cheers, Sernin
JO Jose6440 Regular ·
Hi patrick26 and everyone else

it would be really nice to meet up but for July 14th I've already got the weekend booked 😕 and for June I'm not sure if I'll be done 🤪

thanks anyway everyone

ggbdb65 I'm waiting for you to come see me?? 🙂 Call me, we'll chat about RV setup. There's a 3-day weekend coming up, take advantage if others want to come, they're very welcome
http://jose6440.skyblog.com

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FR François57 Regular ·
First point:

If like me you're wondering about the 2-meter emergency exit requirement, know that there's a clause stating you only need it IF the space is closed off with a device other than a simple fabric curtain.

Does that apply to a bathroom in the bus? (Personally, for safety in the bathroom, I put a hardboard panel on the front that's easy to rip off in case of fire, and then you can smash the window with the hammer that's attached to the frame.)

Second point:

In my village (8,000 people), near Thionville in Moselle, we host quite a few events every year, including a motorcycle rally. We have a pretty large multipurpose hall surrounded by several open areas, and there's always a good crowd (most of them don't live in town—people don't really get out much around here), but they come thanks to the publicity we do across the region.

The bikes come from all corners of Eastern France, and there are side activities: quad presentations, road safety demonstrations, etc., plus food and a bar. There's also an admission fee (5 euros for a full day).

It's obvious that people who have to travel with their motorhomes are at a disadvantage, unless we organize multiple rallies in different locations, which would let people from Brittany come see the motorhomes of people from the Southeast, and vice versa 4 months later.

But the thing is, we're the ones doing the traveling. There's just one catch: it's less spectacular, but by bringing more and more local people to see 3 converted motorhomes, and about a dozen people presenting theirs via plans, videos, etc., it could really take off.

So we could set up annual gatherings on-site (a big undertaking, but with plenty of vehicles showing up), but this solution will take a few years to implement.

The problem is that we only know each other through the internet, and it's a whole logistical puzzle. The only way to "rake in some cash" and thus not penalize people burning through liters of fuel would be to reimburse them through entry fees from curious visitors and people who want to benefit from our experience.

Why not form an association and then organize meetups...

I think the site I'm proposing in Moselle could work for this kind of gathering. There are places to visit in the area too, but it would be less 'family-friendly', more of an exhibition vibe, with lots of people coming to see the motorhomes.
CA CarHibou ·
Hello!

I'm looking at a trailer for two motorcycles... to keep it lightweight, and I prefer to ride locally... But a trailer like yours—wouldn't that require a C+E license? It's definitely over 750kg!

Just to be sure: with a C license, you can tow a trailer under 750kg (or equal)... but not more, with the weight of the towing vehicle not coming into play.

That's what I understood reading some "official" text or other...

Can someone confirm...?

Thanks!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
PI Piét4N ·
Hey!

CarHibou: I think you're right, license E(C) is required starting at 750 kg of trailer weight. You'll just need to verify the vehicle weight to see if the difference between the Total Weight when Loaded and the Maximum Allowed Gross Weight allows you to have your planned trailer.

Everyone: a Camping Bus meet-up? Of course I'm interested! And the further west, the better!

Most likely, I won't have a bus yet. But that's okay, I'll come with my ideas.

Piéton.

PS: What about a camping bus at one of these three bases? Interested?
LE Legx47 ·
Hi, to answer you — normally if it weighs less than 750 kg total you don't need a Category E license, as long as you don't exceed your GVWR and the trailer doesn't have registration papers. But I'm not 100% sure, so call the local police to check.

As for the event organizers, I think that's great even though I won't be able to make it. I hope there'll be another edition that I can attend.

If gx47 is on the forum, I wanted to let you know that I got the technical specs from Heulliez, and apparently if the rear axle has leaf springs plus air suspension, the authorized GVWR is indeed 13t, not 10.25t. What do you think?

Finally, I wanted to know—is VASP motorhome actually a heavy-duty camping car?

Hi everyone
FL Flupke ·
Hey everyone... Well, there are 122 pages on this topic by now, and I don't have the energy to go through them all—especially since I don't have internet at home right now and have to use an internet café. So maybe I'm asking something that's already been covered. If so, thanks for just pointing me to the right post! I own a Renault S45 that I want to reclassify as a CTTE Van. The DRIRE is asking for a descriptive notice about the reclassification and a manufacturer's certificate confirming the vehicle meets CTTE Van standards. Do you know where I can get these documents? I'm having trouble getting in touch. What modifications do I need to make? (Cabin wall/rear? The DRIRE doesn't mention them. Any other mods?) I'm open to other tips too...! :) Thanks!! :)
BE Benhurd ·
Hi, For the descriptive notice, it's a document you create yourself—kind of a diagram of your bus and explanations of your modifications so they can see if it complies with regulations before viewing your vehicle.

For the manufacturer's certificate, you need to ask Irisbus—they handle the S45 and S53. I don't have their phone number anymore, but you can find Irisbus's number and ask them for the right contact to get this document.

P.S.: this document just gives the maximum weight on the front and rear axles—pretty silly but mandatory. It gets more complicated if you've modified the body or frame, but if that's not the case you just need this document.

Didn't they also ask you for weighing tickets for the front and rear? To get them you just need to have your bus weighed at a company with a heavy-duty scale—you can easily find those at agricultural companies. For me it cost €10 at the grain silo 300m from my place.
JE Jerry34 ·
Hi there,

I actually managed to read and reread all these pages – all 122 of them!

First, I'm so glad I found this forum on something that's timely for me right now – I'm also a proud motorhome owner since late November 2006. I bought mine even before discovering these discussions. The further I read, the more I realized just how many challenges there are – especially the administrative side of things. But I was determined to push through, and I'm nearly there. I'm waiting for my VERITAS appointment for the installation.

I've been wanting for a while to talk with all you experts about my questions, but by reading and rereading everything, I found the answers. PATRICK 26 deserves a lot of credit for his fantastic blog. Thanks to everyone for all the answers you share with the community.

So that's it – I'm taking my first step. But I do have one question for tonight about insurance: can someone recommend a company that'll insure my motorhome? I'm really struggling with this and it's pretty discouraging. I wanted to add some photos but they're too large.

Anyway, I'll leave you for now and thanks again to everyone!

🙂 jerry
FR Fr159 Regular ·
Hey! If you drive a bus you need Category D. Downclassed bus you need Category C. Bus with trailer you need E.D. Downclassed bus with trailer: If the PTRA of the combination is less than 12,500 kg you need Category C. If the PTRA of the combination is more than 12,500 kg you need E.C (Super heavy).

I don't know if there's a bus with a PTRA less than 12,500 kg...

It's also possible to not have a PTRA and not have the right to hitch a trailer, even one under 500 kg
http://fr15966.skyblog.com/
GX GX47 Regular ·
Hi legx47 (without the rear wing) I think there's something fishy going on here I had the original registration with the red stamp, plus the one from Heuliez, plus one from Renault (they made a mistake and sent me the chassis descriptor instead of the original base vehicle document, but it's actually more complete) plus Renault's original paperwork before the conversion.

And all of them EXCEPT the Heuliez copy state: "PTRA 13T500 mechanical suspension / 10T mixed suspension"

Actually, originally mine was rated 10T250 (the 250 for Telma brakes) and when I changed my registration with the Heuliez copy, it went up to 13T750 with the registration office manager's approval (took about 15 minutes).

Normally the registration shows: Type: VASP, bodywork: caravan
GX47

ex transformation, homologation et utilisation d'un car en CC 9places route en utilisation pro. Plus un CC 6pl VL, plus un fourgon en cabine approfondie 6 pl VL. si je peu aider...
GR Graigue ·
Hello everyone, I finally made it through 122 forum pages packed with great info! I'm currently looking for a bus or truck to convert into my home (after a C35 and a Saviem SM6 that served me well). I have a small budget between 2000 and 6000 euros for buying the bus, so I'm going to look at older buses like the Saviem S45, etc. I'd really like some advice on choosing a bus (given my budget and the type of vehicle I'm looking for) – for example, which models to avoid, how to recognize different chassis, since apparently some chassis should be avoided, etc. – and maybe other models or brands that are good and fit my budget. I'd really appreciate any info you can give me about choosing the right model. Safe travels to all!!!
JA Jadus ·
Hi everyone. Back soon from my overseas trip, I'll be able to seriously focus on this bus project. So I'm really motivated to come to this new meetup (this time I'll take proper notes). Especially since if it happens in Valencia I'm not far away (Ardèche) and the atmosphere of the first meetup was really nice. Take care and see you soon.

Lucas
GA Gasmobil Regular ·
Hello. The forum cop confirms. If the trailer weighs less than 750 kg, no specific license needed. No registration required either if the trailer weighs less than 500 kg.

DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO CONCEPTS!!!!

However, registration is the same for the trailer as for the towing vehicle if the trailer weighs less than 500 kg, since no separate registration is required.

For trailers with registration, be careful—you'll need separate, specific insurance for the trailer.

Best regards.

Gaël.
Eh ben, Ya du boulot!! http://www.aavl.fr http://gasmobil.skyrock.fr
CA CarHibou ·
Hi!

Is it two, three, or four concepts?

The weight considered for the trailer: I'm not sure anymore if it's empty or loaded...?

And what about the GVWR concept? Can you tow a trailer under 500kg (or 750kg if you add registration and insurance...), carrying a ton of cargo, while staying under the tractor vehicle's GVWR, with just a simple C-class license? (When I say a ton, it's just for example, but easily doable...)

Did I understand correctly?

Thanks!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
FR Fr159 Regular ·
Hello everyone

Yes Gasmobil, you're right, but in my opinion that's not the right answer to the problem, or rather it's not the right question. I don't really see the point of putting a trailer under 750 kg when you have a bus converted into a motorhome🙂. In our holds and storage compartments we can carry several cargo trailers, and why take an additional (small) caravan when we already have several bedrooms? Not to mention the absurdity—I can't picture an ERKA on the back of my FR1 😏! No, I'm talking here in all cases and obviously about a trailer over 750 kg. Heavy trailer, car carrier.

I made a mistake in my previous message 😊—I incorrectly equated C with heavy vehicle and EC with super-heavy, but that's wrong. In any case we'll need the EC license, but if the PTRA exceeds 12,500 kg we'll need the unlimited EC license—that's what I meant to say, you'll confirm.

Best regards
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CA CarHibou ·
Hello!

For me it's simple: just being able to carry two motorcycles for local travel... It's simpler than storing the bikes lying down (or not) in the cargo holds, even if a double-level setup makes it a bit easier...

After that, if there's some extra space left over, all the better! ;)

See you!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
FR Fr159 Regular ·
ah yeah OK well then reread gasmobil's response, if your trailer has a PTAC of less than 750 kg you don't need the E... How much does each bike weigh?
http://fr15966.skyblog.com/
CH Christobale Regular ·
Your permit situation isn't very clear... It's simple: for a single vehicle you need a Category C license, knowing that its weight can go up to 32T. Once you have a combination of vehicles you need a Category EC license. It's the power unit that determines the maximum allowed weight—knowing that it can go up to 60T. But the maximum allowed weight also depends, especially, on the component weight ratings. I mean, your trailer's weight rating can't exceed your maximum allowed weight. In the case of a bus, the maximum allowed weight is often quite low.
FR Fr159 Regular ·
It's not very clear. Yeah, you're right and I'll tell you why: it depends on when you got your license, because depending on the date you have different equivalencies. You could have restrictions or limitations. Some might have category D but limited to a 50 km radius, some will have ED with D and others won't, others have EC with C but limited to 12,500 kg. Some have B and the right to drive a 125cc motorcycle (A1), others don't.

One person's case isn't necessarily the same as another's. You have to look at each case individually. We could debate this for pages and pages. We're all right.

My bus has a GVWR of 22,000 kg—it weighs 13,250 kg empty and my wife weighs 45 kg —so that still leaves quite a bit of room, doesn't it?
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AM Amèle ·
Hi Patrick, I'm the owner of a TRM 4000 truck, a heavy-duty 4x4 that I've converted into a campervan, but I need to get it inspected soon. I wanted to know if it needs a tachograph even though it's a campervan now (it doesn't have one because it's an old military truck). Thanks in advance for your help!!!
CA CarHibou ·
Hi!

@amèle: About the tachograph: no need for private use. I've driven TRM 280 and 360 (turbo) trucks for the Marine Commando School and did my all-terrain training on them, among other things: they can clear a two-meter sand wall and I had a lot of fun on the back roads of the Massif Central! :)))) I hope you have a great time with yours! They were good machines, with reliable and accessible mechanics! ;)

Trailer: As for the license dates: in theory that doesn't change anything, since I imagine only the stamps on the pink paper count! You can't tell a traffic officer, "Oh yes I can! Since I passed it in such-and-such a year I can tow a trailer nah-nah-nah!" So with my category C license, even if I have the EB which unfortunately has nothing to do with it here, I'd be limited to 750kg (PTAC) for a trailer, even with a 26-tonne truck... In theory 750kg will be enough for me, but I'm asking for the others too...

@fr159: Bikes: a classic 500Z around 210kg, and probably a 600 Transalp, about 175kg... On a second-hand truck sales site, I found some two-axle tarped trailers under 500kg I think, pretty cheap... in Germany if I remember right... But if I'm limited on weight, it'll probably just be a closed two-seater motorcycle trailer....

Catch you later!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
MR MrvolvoB10M ·
Hey jerry34, regarding your insurance, I'm with MAAF. When I asked them about my Volvo, they just needed the weight and horsepower to create a special file. We had to set up a file because, of course, they couldn't find it under the traditional motorhome category !
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JE Jerry34 ·
Hi Mrvolvo, 🙂

Thanks so much for the info—it's really helpful, because finding an insurance company for this type of vehicle is no small task. Kestarv also mentioned MAIF to me, so I'm planning on calling both to compare rates. Some people were mentioning 300 to 400/year—is that a realistic price? If so, what coverage is included? 🤪

Talk soon!!! 🙂
CU Cunni Regular ·


FYI: a double-decker coach 12m long, classified as a truck, but allowed to drive on Sundays or public holidays without mandatory breaks, class C license (or EC with a 7-tonne trailer): http://www.motorhomevip.com/

I think it needs to be certified as VASP CARAVAN???
http://forum.tousencar.com
GA Gasmobil Regular ·
Hello.

I sincerely apologize!!!

When talking about vehicles, we always refer to the gross vehicle weight rating. The 500 kg threshold requires vehicle registration but not a special license.

The 750 kg threshold requires an EC driving license.

It seems obvious to me that you should never exceed the GVWR of a vehicle, whatever the trailer, registration, or license situation.

So to sum it up: you don't put 1000 kg in a 500 kg GVWR trailer, and you never exceed the GVWR under any circumstances.

Best regards.
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CH Christobale Regular ·
To drive with a commercial vehicle on a C license, that depends on the Ministry of Culture, not the Ministry of Transport—I mean, it must transport artists or others, and that's justified by the APE code or by Ministry of Culture documents...
CA CarHibou ·
Hi there!

Not exceeding the PTRA or PTAC: that makes sense... I was talking about a case with a trailer of 500kg empty weight that can carry 1 tonne of load... so 1500 PTAC! ;)

To sum it up clearly about trailers: you need vehicle registration and insurance above 500kg PTAC, an EC license above 750kg PTAC, while staying under the towing vehicle's technical PTRA limit, of course...

I hope that's clear now and there's no more confusion on this topic... rules often aren't presented clearly and comprehensively by the authorities!

Topic closed?

Good night and happy travels to everyone! :)
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
FR François57 Regular ·
So basically, any trailer over 750kg that requires the E(B) to tow behind a car will have to be towed with the E(C)? That's what I thought, but I'm just asking for confirmation. It's ridiculous but that's the law, because the license cost isn't the same: for example, I go on vacation with a Tabbert Comtesse 950 behind my BX, I need the E(B) license which should cost 200 euros and 2 days of training, but if I hitch that same caravan to my minibus, am I forced to take the E(C) course? Well then I can drive semis for the same price... but anyway
CA CarHibou ·
Hello!

Yeah, exactly! It's ridiculous (here we go again with the administration): me too, I can drive my car with a van and two horses behind it (even draft horses, even a four-seater van...), or a boat, or an agricultural trailer with 20 tons of grain on a tractor, ... and then, the day I have my motorhome, I'd be limited to 750kg... :(((((((((((((((

Common sense and the law sometimes don't make 2, they make 4, 8, 16!!!!! ;(

See you!
En attendant le car, je vis dans ce camion 19T qui est à vendre: moteur refait, ancien isotherme transformé en bétaillère (4 chevaux)+ home (2-3 personnes), 144725 kms, 1983, l*L: 2.30*6.90... Pour 11000€... CG normale PL...
CH Christian06 Veteran ·
Check this out for category B license:

http://www.code-route.com/nouveaux.htm

In my opinion, if the GVWR of the trailer is less than the tare weight of the towing vehicle and the total combined weight is under 3500 kg, no special license needed 🤪
CHRISTIAN

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FR François57 Regular ·
Anyway, I'm not worried about it—I have a PTRA that's 750kg more than the PTAC... Also, is my PTRA based on the PTAC or on the vehicle's actual weight? For example: if my bus is at 14.5 tonnes, I can tow a 750 kg trailer, which corresponds to my PTRA of 15.25 tonnes. But if my bus only weighs 10 tonnes, can I drive with a 3-tonne trailer containing my car, for instance... (because my actual combined weight would only be 13 tonnes, which is below the manufacturer's PTRA of 15.25 tonnes).
PA Patrick26 Veteran ·
And you really think that if your water tanks are empty, your chassis and the cross-member where your hitch is attached can handle more traction?

The plate on your truck spells out your red band, which should clearly tell you what you're allowed to tow!

Give it some thought....

With a Class C license it's 750kg behind you...and that's it!

With EC it's what the red band on your vehicle allows. For me that's 3500 kg with a mechanically braked trailer at the coupling and 7000 kg with a pneumatically braked trailer (the advantage of a truck chassis)! For S 45/53 it's indeed 750 kg if I'm not mistaken!

You've got to think about what you want to use your truck for before you buy it! If you want to tow heavy, get one that can do it!

I'm not talking about budget here (I don't want to get hammered 'again'), I'm talking about intelligence and proper planning!

I've been saying for years that projects like this need to be thought through completely before you commit to them! There'll be plenty of surprises left once the work starts!

You can find Mercedes S215 HD for 6500 euros (Bieron sells one at that price in excellent condition), you can find Iveco Lorraine for 4 or 5000 euros and they're solid vehicles, and both can really tow!

Make the right choice!

PATRICK26
JE Jerry34 ·
Hi, just a quick question: Can you get a trailer hitch installed on a vehicle with 'PTRA NONE' marked on the red strikethrough? Do you need to ask the manufacturer for permission and then redo an RTI? Should you wait for the motorhome registration documents and see what happens next?

Better to have one person who knows than ten searching around.

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