Son geste fut très mal reçu par les autorités de son pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de sa communauté opprimée.
Bonjour est-ce que quelqu'un a déjà réservé des hôtels via la plateforme vio?
Est ce que c'est fiable ?
Merci
Une athlète thai refuse de porter la flamme olympique
by Salsa3
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Et voici par l'image, la liaison entre les 2 photos des 2 olympiades postées ci-dessus, 1936 et 1968.
Son geste fut très mal reçu par les autorités de son pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de sa communauté opprimée.
Son geste fut très mal reçu par les autorités de son pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de sa communauté opprimée.Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Et voici par l'image, la liaison entre les 2 photos des 2 olympiades postées ci-dessus, 1936 et 1968.
Son geste fut très mal reçu par les autorités de son pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de sa communauté opprimée.
Bonjour, La photo ci-dessus ( il aurait bon de préciser qui est-ce et quand la photo a été faite et ce afin de ne pas tout mélanger 😉 ) serait donc la liaison entre les deux précédentes... 🤪 C'est à dire un geste " mal reçu " en 36 et 68... 🙁 et ce pour une communauté opprimée ?... 🤪
Pour la seconde, je le conçois et je m'en souviens encore.
Pour la 1ère, je me réfère à l'histoire et encore une fois, on ne doit pas avoir la même perception des symboles.
D'autre-part, dans le 1er cas j'y vois des spectateurs proches de Hooligans footeux et ce peu importe les Athlètes sur le terrain.
Dans le second, on est dans " l'Arène " et c'est un geste qui appartient aux Athlètes n'en déplaise à l'assistance et aux dirigeants.
Donc, je me répète : à part une rencontre sportive en commun ( dont je ne vais refaire le pour et le contre ) je ne vois aucune valeur commune.
Autant la seconde et la dernière photo peuvent " positivement " servir une cause, j'ai des doutes quant à la 1ère...Cependant comme tu as l'air de maîtriser le sujet, je te laisse le plaisir d'expliquer comment des bras tendus en 36 furent des gestes mal reçus par les autorités de leur pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de leur communauté opprimée 😕
Son geste fut très mal reçu par les autorités de son pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de sa communauté opprimée.Bonjour, La photo ci-dessus ( il aurait bon de préciser qui est-ce et quand la photo a été faite et ce afin de ne pas tout mélanger 😉 ) serait donc la liaison entre les deux précédentes... 🤪 C'est à dire un geste " mal reçu " en 36 et 68... 🙁 et ce pour une communauté opprimée ?... 🤪
Pour la seconde, je le conçois et je m'en souviens encore.
Pour la 1ère, je me réfère à l'histoire et encore une fois, on ne doit pas avoir la même perception des symboles.
D'autre-part, dans le 1er cas j'y vois des spectateurs proches de Hooligans footeux et ce peu importe les Athlètes sur le terrain.
Dans le second, on est dans " l'Arène " et c'est un geste qui appartient aux Athlètes n'en déplaise à l'assistance et aux dirigeants.
Donc, je me répète : à part une rencontre sportive en commun ( dont je ne vais refaire le pour et le contre ) je ne vois aucune valeur commune.
Autant la seconde et la dernière photo peuvent " positivement " servir une cause, j'ai des doutes quant à la 1ère...Cependant comme tu as l'air de maîtriser le sujet, je te laisse le plaisir d'expliquer comment des bras tendus en 36 furent des gestes mal reçus par les autorités de leur pays à l'époque, mais qui contribua à la cause de leur communauté opprimée 😕
JO 1936, un pouvoir autoritaire et raciste, qui était en voie de vouloir anéantir la communauté juive, mais pas seulement.
JO 1968, 2 noirs lèvent le bras en signe de protestation car sévissait la ségrégation et le racisme aux USA contre la communauté noir.
2 situations inverses, 1 de protestation, 1 d'un pouvoir d'oppression (le signe nazi des spectateurs), le dénominateur commun : le racisme.
JO 2008 ? on ignore d'avance la protestation et la propagande, mais on sait déjà qu'une communauté est opprimée, dont certains chinois démocrates et autres chinois délaissés du système.
2 situations inverses, 1 de protestation, 1 d'un pouvoir d'oppression (le signe nazi des spectateurs), le dénominateur commun : le racisme.
JO 2008 ? on ignore d'avance la protestation et la propagande, mais on sait déjà qu'une communauté est opprimée, dont certains chinois démocrates et autres chinois délaissés du système.
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Pour revenir sur le topic de la flamme:
une flamme ne peut bruler au sommet de l'Everest en raison du manque d'oxygne...
Allez apres expliquer aux gamins que la combustion est possible grace à l'oxygène...c'est les profs de sciences qui vont etre contents!!!
La flamme sur l'Everest: "une farce" Le passage de la flamme olympique au sommet de l'Everest, prévu le mois prochain, est "une farce des Chinois", a critiqué dans une interview parue aujourd'hui en Allemagne l'alpiniste italien Reinhold Messner, le premier à avoir atteint le plus haut sommet du monde sans oxygène, en 1978.
"C'est une farce des Chinois. Pourquoi doivent-ils monter la flamme olympique là-haut ? De toute façon, elle ne pourra y brûler que par le biais de trucages, en raison du manque d'oxygène et du vent", a fustigé l'alpiniste originaire du Tyrol.
Source : AFP
une flamme ne peut bruler au sommet de l'Everest en raison du manque d'oxygne...
Allez apres expliquer aux gamins que la combustion est possible grace à l'oxygène...c'est les profs de sciences qui vont etre contents!!!
La flamme sur l'Everest: "une farce" Le passage de la flamme olympique au sommet de l'Everest, prévu le mois prochain, est "une farce des Chinois", a critiqué dans une interview parue aujourd'hui en Allemagne l'alpiniste italien Reinhold Messner, le premier à avoir atteint le plus haut sommet du monde sans oxygène, en 1978.
"C'est une farce des Chinois. Pourquoi doivent-ils monter la flamme olympique là-haut ? De toute façon, elle ne pourra y brûler que par le biais de trucages, en raison du manque d'oxygène et du vent", a fustigé l'alpiniste originaire du Tyrol.
Source : AFP
Re salutations du jour :
On n'est plus à l'époque où on fait un feu et communique avec ses voisins à l'aide d'un tapis.
Peu importe le jaja, pourvu qu'il y ait l'ivreste 😉
Même si la flamme telle celle qui fonctionne au soldat inconnu ou dans les relais n'est plus celle qui vient d'un tas de bois où d'une torche faite de chiffons imbibés d'huile, c'est le symbole qui importe.
Mode parenthèse " On " . Un jour un journaliste demande à Roger Daltrey ( chanteur des WHO ) pourquoi il remuait autant que cela ?
Réponse : " ...comment voulez-vous que les personnes qui sont à 500 mètres de la scène nous voient si on ne bouge de la sorte... " 🙂
Idem pour J.Hendrix qui brûlait sa guitare...
Aussi, je passe sur les chanteurs de Hard férus de boules de ouates... 😎 ( histoire d'impressionner les groupies )
Le spectacle... " Show must goes On "
Fin de la parenthèse.
Reste qu'en général, histoire de se recentrer : Au sommet de l'ivreste, grande est la déclaration et petite la flamme 🤪
La torche 2008 :
"...Le flambeau olympique développé à l'occasion des JO de Pékin veut illustrer la culture traditionnelle chinoise et les capacités techniques de la Chine moderne. Haute de 72 cm et pesant près d'un kilo, la torche est en aluminium.
Le système de combustion, qui utilise du propane permet de garder la flamme allumée dans des conditions extrêmes ainsi que sa visibilité sous les éclairages les plus puissants.
La forme générale est inspirée par le rouleau de papier et la décoration par les lignes des nuages dits de « bon augure », motifs très ancien dans l'art chinois..."
( source: http://www.rfi.fr/sportfr/articles/099/article_64129.asp )
On n'est plus à l'époque où on fait un feu et communique avec ses voisins à l'aide d'un tapis.
Peu importe le jaja, pourvu qu'il y ait l'ivreste 😉
Même si la flamme telle celle qui fonctionne au soldat inconnu ou dans les relais n'est plus celle qui vient d'un tas de bois où d'une torche faite de chiffons imbibés d'huile, c'est le symbole qui importe.
Mode parenthèse " On " . Un jour un journaliste demande à Roger Daltrey ( chanteur des WHO ) pourquoi il remuait autant que cela ?
Réponse : " ...comment voulez-vous que les personnes qui sont à 500 mètres de la scène nous voient si on ne bouge de la sorte... " 🙂
Idem pour J.Hendrix qui brûlait sa guitare...
Aussi, je passe sur les chanteurs de Hard férus de boules de ouates... 😎 ( histoire d'impressionner les groupies )
Le spectacle... " Show must goes On "
Fin de la parenthèse.
Reste qu'en général, histoire de se recentrer : Au sommet de l'ivreste, grande est la déclaration et petite la flamme 🤪
La torche 2008 :
"...Le flambeau olympique développé à l'occasion des JO de Pékin veut illustrer la culture traditionnelle chinoise et les capacités techniques de la Chine moderne. Haute de 72 cm et pesant près d'un kilo, la torche est en aluminium.
Le système de combustion, qui utilise du propane permet de garder la flamme allumée dans des conditions extrêmes ainsi que sa visibilité sous les éclairages les plus puissants.
La forme générale est inspirée par le rouleau de papier et la décoration par les lignes des nuages dits de « bon augure », motifs très ancien dans l'art chinois..."
( source: http://www.rfi.fr/sportfr/articles/099/article_64129.asp )
Le propane permet de garder la flamme allummée?!!!
Et un petit cri de profane suffit à la faire éteindre!
C'est beau la haute technonogie!
Qu'importe le flocon pourvu qu'on reste en laisse
Personne ne doute des prouesses pyrotechniques chez les rois du feux d'artificices. La flamme, on s'en torche. Niveau spectacle, à côté Robert Hossein fait de l'underground...
Pour voir ce que c'est de passer une flamme, de la célébrer, de la danser, allez voir les danseurs indiens disciples du feu sur le Gange ... et tous les danseurs du monde qui tripent avec les flammes
Un art est fini quand il devient une discipline olympique ...
"Une civilisation qui s'avère incapable de résoudre les problèmes que suscite son fonctionnement est une civilisation décadente" Aimé Cézaire
Personne ne doute des prouesses pyrotechniques chez les rois du feux d'artificices. La flamme, on s'en torche. Niveau spectacle, à côté Robert Hossein fait de l'underground...
Pour voir ce que c'est de passer une flamme, de la célébrer, de la danser, allez voir les danseurs indiens disciples du feu sur le Gange ... et tous les danseurs du monde qui tripent avec les flammes
Un art est fini quand il devient une discipline olympique ...
"Une civilisation qui s'avère incapable de résoudre les problèmes que suscite son fonctionnement est une civilisation décadente" Aimé Cézaire
Excusez-moi de n'employer de formule de politesse ( j'essaie de me mettre à votre hauteur )
Peu importe les moyens déployés pour faire briller cette flamme au sommet de la Terre. Si cette flamme doit se couvrir de ridicule laissons la nature faire les choses et ne contribuons à son extinction.
Peu importe les moyens déployés pour faire briller cette flamme au sommet de la Terre. Si cette flamme doit se couvrir de ridicule laissons la nature faire les choses et ne contribuons à son extinction.
SALSA3
la flamme OLYMPIQUE n'est ni TIBETAINE, ni CHINOISE ...elle incarne l'OLYMPISME ou la convivialité universelle.. NARISA CHAKRABONGSE athlete THAI a refusé de la porter ...j'aurai imaginé autre scenario:
refuser une medaille ou decliner une decoration...en protestation ...
LE DALAILAMA ne voit pas d'objection au bon deroulement en CHINE des jeux olympiques...
au rythme des conflits et des oppressions sur cette planete...la flamme olympique aurait du mal à se frayer
son chemin...vers le pays organisateur...
njm
njm
njm
Mathieu Ricard, traducteur officiel du Dalai Lama en France a déclaré effectivement que le Dalai Lama n'est pas opposé aux JO, mais en l'absence d'un dialogue que souhaite construire le Dalai Lama avec le PCC, il dit que la menace d'un boycott de la Cérémonie officielle serait un signe de pression dans l'objectif d'en venir au dialogue.
Je te laisse méditer sur les principes fondamentaux de l'Olympisme, engagement moral non respecté par l'organisateur de cette année.
http://fr.beijing2008.cn/spirit/symbols/charter/
Principes fondamentaux de l'Olympisme 1 L'Olympisme est une philosophie de vie, exaltant et combinant en un ensemble équilibré les qualités du corps, de la volonté et de l'esprit. Alliant le sport à la culture et à l'éducation, l'Olympisme se veut créateur d'un style de vie fondé sur la joie dans l'effort, la valeur éducative du bon exemple et le respect des principes éthiques fondamentaux universels. 2 Le but de l'Olympisme est de mettre le sport au service du développement harmonieux de l'homme en vue de promouvoir une société pacifique, soucieuse de préserver la dignité humaine. 3 Le Mouvement olympique est l'action concertée, organisée, universelle et permanente, exercée sous l'autorité suprême du CIO, de tous les individus et entités inspirés par les valeurs de l'Olympisme. Elle s'étend aux cinq continents. Elle atteint son point culminant lors du rassemblement des athlètes du monde au grand festival du sport que sont les Jeux Olympiques. Son symbole est constitué de cinq anneaux entrelacés. 4 La pratique du sport est un droit de l'homme. Chaque individu doit avoir la possibilité de faire du sport sans discrimination d'aucune sorte et dans l'esprit olympique, qui exige la compréhension mutuelle, l'esprit d'amitié, de solidarité et de fair-play. L'organisation, l'administration et la gestion du sport doivent être contrôlées par des organisations sportives indépendantes. 5 Toute forme de discrimination à l'égard d'un pays ou d'une personne fondée sur des considérations de race, de religion, de politique, de sexe ou autres est incompatible avec l'appartenance au Mouvement olympique. 6 L'appartenance au Mouvement olympique exige le respect de la Charte olympique et la reconnaissance par le CIO.
Je te laisse méditer sur les principes fondamentaux de l'Olympisme, engagement moral non respecté par l'organisateur de cette année.
http://fr.beijing2008.cn/spirit/symbols/charter/
Principes fondamentaux de l'Olympisme 1 L'Olympisme est une philosophie de vie, exaltant et combinant en un ensemble équilibré les qualités du corps, de la volonté et de l'esprit. Alliant le sport à la culture et à l'éducation, l'Olympisme se veut créateur d'un style de vie fondé sur la joie dans l'effort, la valeur éducative du bon exemple et le respect des principes éthiques fondamentaux universels. 2 Le but de l'Olympisme est de mettre le sport au service du développement harmonieux de l'homme en vue de promouvoir une société pacifique, soucieuse de préserver la dignité humaine. 3 Le Mouvement olympique est l'action concertée, organisée, universelle et permanente, exercée sous l'autorité suprême du CIO, de tous les individus et entités inspirés par les valeurs de l'Olympisme. Elle s'étend aux cinq continents. Elle atteint son point culminant lors du rassemblement des athlètes du monde au grand festival du sport que sont les Jeux Olympiques. Son symbole est constitué de cinq anneaux entrelacés. 4 La pratique du sport est un droit de l'homme. Chaque individu doit avoir la possibilité de faire du sport sans discrimination d'aucune sorte et dans l'esprit olympique, qui exige la compréhension mutuelle, l'esprit d'amitié, de solidarité et de fair-play. L'organisation, l'administration et la gestion du sport doivent être contrôlées par des organisations sportives indépendantes. 5 Toute forme de discrimination à l'égard d'un pays ou d'une personne fondée sur des considérations de race, de religion, de politique, de sexe ou autres est incompatible avec l'appartenance au Mouvement olympique. 6 L'appartenance au Mouvement olympique exige le respect de la Charte olympique et la reconnaissance par le CIO.
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
SALSA3
salut
en somme il y a les principes fondamentaux de l'olympisme
les dividendes economiques de l'organisation des jeux olympiques
le choix du pays organisateur par approbation ou consensus des membres du CIO
si je prends le 3eme point ...les membres ont enfreint à la charte de l'olympisme...donc la tenue des JOS
n'est plus valide...en CHINE....faudrait il repertorier les pays organisateurs des JOS en conformité avec l'esprit de la charte avant de les plebisciter ....meme dans ''le monde libre '' les principes de l'olympisme
sont ils vraiment respectés?!! et si on faisait un bilan historique de ces JOS...
njm
njm
njm
faudrait il repertorier les pays organisateurs des JOS en conformité avec l'esprit de la charte avant de les plebisciter ....meme dans ''le monde libre '' les principes de l'olympisme
sont ils vraiment respectés?!! et si on faisait un bilan historique de ces JOS...
OUI. Mais impossible de remonter dans le temps !
OUI. Mais impossible de remonter dans le temps !
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
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Hello everyone! 🙂🙂,
A BIG thank you to all the travelers who sent us postcards this year—my students are becoming real geography whizzes!!!!!!!! I’m renewing my call for your kindness this year! We’re also working on food, so if your postcards can make our mouths water with local dishes, traditional meals, or typical recipes, that’d be amazing!!
Here’s a quick recap of the project:
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globetrotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse, working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m starting a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of the journal will focus on opening up to the world, diversity, travel, countries, culture... I’m launching a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a little postcard (from France or anywhere in the world!) to take us on a journey and help us discover new places, countries, and horizons—much more fun and exciting than a regular geography textbook! One section of our journal could be called "We received mail from " and would be an opportunity to research that location and share what we learn with our readers (a super enriching activity in class). The project starts in September 2025 but has no real end date, as this journal and world discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in my ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! (The kids will find them when they return.) I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow traveler friends. Make us dream, take us on a journey!!! For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!! Thank you in advance for your participation(s)! Below is our address. Feel free to leave your own address on a corner of the postcard if you’d like us to write back! 😊
The ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and see you soon, I hope! 😁 Julien
Here’s a quick recap of the project:
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globetrotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse, working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m starting a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of the journal will focus on opening up to the world, diversity, travel, countries, culture... I’m launching a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a little postcard (from France or anywhere in the world!) to take us on a journey and help us discover new places, countries, and horizons—much more fun and exciting than a regular geography textbook! One section of our journal could be called "We received mail from " and would be an opportunity to research that location and share what we learn with our readers (a super enriching activity in class). The project starts in September 2025 but has no real end date, as this journal and world discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in my ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! (The kids will find them when they return.) I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow traveler friends. Make us dream, take us on a journey!!! For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!! Thank you in advance for your participation(s)! Below is our address. Feel free to leave your own address on a corner of the postcard if you’d like us to write back! 😊
The ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and see you soon, I hope! 😁 Julien
Hi everyone,
I wanted to share this blog post, which, in my opinion, offers a strikingly modern take on Huế—not as a relic, but as a style icon.
https://thefabworld.com/hue-porte-tout-meme-ses-contradictions/
This article definitely made me want to go back and rediscover this city that’s so close to my heart—the city of my maternal grandmother.
I wanted to share this blog post, which, in my opinion, offers a strikingly modern take on Huế—not as a relic, but as a style icon.
https://thefabworld.com/hue-porte-tout-meme-ses-contradictions/
This article definitely made me want to go back and rediscover this city that’s so close to my heart—the city of my maternal grandmother.
Hi,
Many of us have noticed that bugs have been making it difficult to navigate the forum lately.
I’ll let Kate and Ticapi explain the issue:
I went to your profile to check out the Thailand travel journal, and when I clicked on it, it brought me back here again. All week, I’ve been dealing with bugs like this—it’s really discouraging from continuing on VF.🙁
I had the same thing happen, and multiple times. For me, it was Montagnard’s latest journal that kept coming up no matter which discussion I clicked on.
Hopefully, a solution will be found soon.🙂
Many of us have noticed that bugs have been making it difficult to navigate the forum lately.
I’ll let Kate and Ticapi explain the issue:
I went to your profile to check out the Thailand travel journal, and when I clicked on it, it brought me back here again. All week, I’ve been dealing with bugs like this—it’s really discouraging from continuing on VF.🙁
I had the same thing happen, and multiple times. For me, it was Montagnard’s latest journal that kept coming up no matter which discussion I clicked on.
Hopefully, a solution will be found soon.🙂
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Hi there! 🙂
I just discovered a great show on Arte. It's called "7 en route": seven young European journalists travel around Europe in a fully converted bus, making reports on every city they visit. It's amazing! 🙂 Yesterday, for example, they were in Rome, Italy, and the reports included things like the world's smallest restaurant—a super romantic spot for two. There was also a report on the king of paparazzi in Italy. They have to pick topics that let us discover the little quirks of each country. And at the end of each episode, we get to see the finished report. It's such a great show, mixing journalism, travel, and discovery—basically, a must-watch! It airs in the evening starting at 6:50 PM (I think), and it started this past Monday, July 14th.
If you watch it, let me know—we can chat about it!
See you soon,
Mumu
I just discovered a great show on Arte. It's called "7 en route": seven young European journalists travel around Europe in a fully converted bus, making reports on every city they visit. It's amazing! 🙂 Yesterday, for example, they were in Rome, Italy, and the reports included things like the world's smallest restaurant—a super romantic spot for two. There was also a report on the king of paparazzi in Italy. They have to pick topics that let us discover the little quirks of each country. And at the end of each episode, we get to see the finished report. It's such a great show, mixing journalism, travel, and discovery—basically, a must-watch! It airs in the evening starting at 6:50 PM (I think), and it started this past Monday, July 14th.
If you watch it, let me know—we can chat about it!
See you soon,
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I left my heart’s country eight days ago and returned to my adopted one—or was it the other way around? Scotland-Morvan, Morvan-Scotland, I’m not quite sure anymore.
After a quarter without dragging my slippers around here, even though I’d loudly declared I had no interest left in this site, here I am again!
My imagination never stays fallow for long. Just enough time for my inner land to rest. It gets overgrown with fresh nettles, the kind you can pick without getting stung. Then, it’s time to till the fragrant earth and let the story grow.
I hesitated over where to set this story. Maybe the Highlands, maybe the Hebrides, maybe the Orkney Islands, maybe the Shetland Islands. All of Scotland is myth—easy to embroider. But in the end, no. I’d almost be too afraid to bare my soul.
The story will take place at home. Simple, practical.
1)
This morning, I was up well before dawn, feeling a bit grumpy, but nothing a bowl of coffee won’t fix. I love my bowl, and no one dares take it. It’s porcelain, edged with intertwined blue flowers. On the bottom, it says "Revol." The factory has existed long before the Revolution. It was my great-grandmother’s bowl. She drank roasted barley from it during the war, then her Leroux chicory.
Last year, a little guy dropped it. My bowl broke into three pieces. A black anger vibrated deep inside me. The little boy was so upset, on the verge of tears. How could I scold him!
I picked up the three pieces and took Little Boy in my arms. His hair smelled of the light, sweet sweat of toddlers. A gentle hug that healed—his budding sorrow and my anger—everything vanished, and time carried on.
Today, my bowl is even prettier. Man fixed it using the traditional kintsugi technique, except he didn’t use gold powder or lacquer but superglue, and he delicately painted the cracks with woad blue. And my bowl is even more beautiful now.
I’m lingering, I can tell—it’s just that a story wraps itself in life, and life can’t be told in the snap of a finger. Life is long. Like in architecture, you start with a rough sketch, called a "sous-cul" (the initial pencil drawing), then you make a tracing, which is the work itself, the one you later carefully roll up in a wooden tube. Life is like that: you erase, you start over, you use the nub of the pencil until it’s tiny, but you keep going—dreaming, loving.
"Living is a full-time occupation, a unique adventure. Always a surprise and a wonder, which sometimes turns into astonishment. And, from time to time, happiness."*
Alright, enough digressing—this introduction is definitely too long. Tomorrow, I’ll get to the heart of the matter. (I hate that expression; it feels like I’m cutting into someone’s skin.)
*Jean d’Ormesson
2)
After a quarter without dragging my slippers around here, even though I’d loudly declared I had no interest left in this site, here I am again!
My imagination never stays fallow for long. Just enough time for my inner land to rest. It gets overgrown with fresh nettles, the kind you can pick without getting stung. Then, it’s time to till the fragrant earth and let the story grow.
I hesitated over where to set this story. Maybe the Highlands, maybe the Hebrides, maybe the Orkney Islands, maybe the Shetland Islands. All of Scotland is myth—easy to embroider. But in the end, no. I’d almost be too afraid to bare my soul.
The story will take place at home. Simple, practical.
1)
This morning, I was up well before dawn, feeling a bit grumpy, but nothing a bowl of coffee won’t fix. I love my bowl, and no one dares take it. It’s porcelain, edged with intertwined blue flowers. On the bottom, it says "Revol." The factory has existed long before the Revolution. It was my great-grandmother’s bowl. She drank roasted barley from it during the war, then her Leroux chicory.
Last year, a little guy dropped it. My bowl broke into three pieces. A black anger vibrated deep inside me. The little boy was so upset, on the verge of tears. How could I scold him!
I picked up the three pieces and took Little Boy in my arms. His hair smelled of the light, sweet sweat of toddlers. A gentle hug that healed—his budding sorrow and my anger—everything vanished, and time carried on.
Today, my bowl is even prettier. Man fixed it using the traditional kintsugi technique, except he didn’t use gold powder or lacquer but superglue, and he delicately painted the cracks with woad blue. And my bowl is even more beautiful now.
I’m lingering, I can tell—it’s just that a story wraps itself in life, and life can’t be told in the snap of a finger. Life is long. Like in architecture, you start with a rough sketch, called a "sous-cul" (the initial pencil drawing), then you make a tracing, which is the work itself, the one you later carefully roll up in a wooden tube. Life is like that: you erase, you start over, you use the nub of the pencil until it’s tiny, but you keep going—dreaming, loving.
"Living is a full-time occupation, a unique adventure. Always a surprise and a wonder, which sometimes turns into astonishment. And, from time to time, happiness."*
Alright, enough digressing—this introduction is definitely too long. Tomorrow, I’ll get to the heart of the matter. (I hate that expression; it feels like I’m cutting into someone’s skin.)
*Jean d’Ormesson
2)
Without limiting ourselves to the countries mentioned above—Turkey and others could be added to the list.
I need to get dental reconstruction done, likely involving 6 implants. Which country offers the best quality of care, materials, and techniques?
Thanks
I need to get dental reconstruction done, likely involving 6 implants. Which country offers the best quality of care, materials, and techniques?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
Have a great day!
Yann
I’m Yann, a 28-year-old TikToker who loves traveling!
Since I’ve been to several destinations, I’d love to get a flag from each one as a sort of trophy. But from what I’ve seen online, a lot of sites sell them with what looks like really poor quality...
So I’m reaching out to you all to share a site you usually use—help me start my collection! :)
Have a great day!
Yann
hi there
I’d love to get some opinions—I’ve never used Airbnb before.
They’re offering a key handover via lockbox.
Any tips or advice?
Is it reliable?
Best,
Hi there, I’m Laura, and I’m looking for a few people to answer some questions so I can understand your travel wishes and challenges. It won’t take long—I can chat here, by email, or by phone. Don’t worry, I’m not selling anything! 😊
On this forum, we talk a lot about trekking in the Himalayas, but I’d love to share another side of Nepal: its spiritual, cultural, and religious atmosphere, especially in Kathmandu.
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Nepal, much like Tibet and Bhutan, is deeply connected to the Himalayas—the ultimate sacred mountain range. This small country exudes a calming vibe, shaped by a strong spiritual dimension. What I loved most was the unique sensory experience you get there. Walking around temples and tantric monasteries, a distinct scent fills the air—aromatic plants used for ritual fumigation. Locals mainly burn Himalayan juniper, cedar, sandalwood, and other local essences. This fragrant smoke is a way to purify the space and reach the deities, and you’re constantly enveloped in these aromas.
Another striking aspect is the sound. As soon as you step outside, you hear bells ringing in front of temples. People ring them three times before praying to announce their presence to the deities. Nepal is also the birthplace of singing bowls and sound meditation practices. In Kathmandu, you can easily find meditation sessions or "sound baths."
The spiritual dimension is everywhere: a Hindu sadhu practicing asceticism, a lama in deep red robes with his mala, turning a prayer wheel while murmuring "Om mani padme hum." Newar Buddhism, Tantrism, and Hinduism coexist harmoniously in daily life.
For those who love exploring a destination through its culture and spirituality, Nepal is an unforgettable place. What was your spiritual experience in Nepal like?
Hi,
I’m landing in Quebec and then heading to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. I’d like to rent a pick-up. My question is: does this vehicle come with a cover and is it secure enough to store luggage in? I’ve heard two conflicting opinions. Thanks
I just installed the Maps.Me app on my phone. I only recently found out about this app. I’m traveling in 2 weeks and a few days, and I’m a bit stuck on how to use it.
I’m from the Montreal (Quebec) area, and I’d love to know if there’s a kind soul out there who could help me get started and use the app at least minimally.
If there are private lessons available, I’d be interested in those too.
Thanks in advance for your help. Simon
Thanks in advance for your help. Simon
Hi everyone,
I just found out there’s an update on the international driving permit. What was bound to happen has happened: it now costs (for now!!) 7 50 €. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/actualites/A18833
There’s also a link at the bottom of the article for the list of countries where it’s mandatory.
Have a great day! 😊
Christelle
I just found out there’s an update on the international driving permit. What was bound to happen has happened: it now costs (for now!!) 7 50 €. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/actualites/A18833
There’s also a link at the bottom of the article for the list of countries where it’s mandatory.
Have a great day! 😊
Christelle
Hello François, and the new team!
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
Best regards, Marine/eversmile
Like many others, I’m overjoyed to hear that VoyageForum is reopening! I’ve been waiting hopefully for this, and it’s wonderful that it’s finally happening!
I just couldn’t bring myself to actively participate in other French-language travel forums—their format and way of doing things never appealed to me as much. I really hope that VF’s structure, categories, and interface won’t change too much despite the handover, because I’m very attached to them. Through thick and thin, the site has held strong—it’s amazing!
In a previous message, François mentioned that there were positions to fill ahead of the reopening, including moderators...
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this and hoping to send in my CV.
Now, after reading the latest message, it seems like the team is already fully formed. But are there still a few spots left to fill?
I’ve been a VF member for 20 years (since 2004). I’d love to contribute to this wonderful adventure as a moderator if VF would trust me with the role. If the team is open to reviewing it, I’m ready to send my CV. Could you let me know the next steps?
Best regards, Marine/eversmile
Hi there,
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport. Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers. I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right? Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost? Thanks for your help!
I’m planning a 3-week trip to Japan in May with Voyage Privé. The package includes a 5 GB eSIM, but my phone isn’t new enough to support it. VP told me I could buy a SIM card when I arrive at the airport. Sure enough, I’ve seen online that this is possible with different providers. I only need it for checking routes, looking up addresses, train schedules, etc.—basically using Google Maps, TripAdvisor, and similar apps. No heavy downloads or major internet use. All hotels should provide free Wi-Fi for that, right? Has anyone got any tips for me on this? What have you tried, and how much did it cost? Thanks for your help!
Hi,
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
I’d like to know if you can buy reef-safe sunscreen sprays at 7-Eleven. If so, how much do they cost? We’re traveling with backpacks, so we’ll either buy 100ml here or in Thailand.
Hi everyone,
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15. The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG. In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam. We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM. So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG. So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this? Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt. At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €. Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Thanks in advance!
I wanted to share a really unpleasant experience from our last trip booked with Promoséjours and organized by FTI.
We booked an 8-day/7-night stay in Egypt, from June 8 to 15. The flight initially scheduled was changed a week before departure to take off at 10 PM from Paris CDG. In the end, it took off with a 1-hour delay and included an unmentioned stopover in Marsa Alam. We landed in Hurghada at 4 AM and arrived at the hotel at 6 AM. So, we spent our first night on the plane.
For the return trip, surprise—the flight was moved up. We left the hotel at 10:30 PM on Friday the 14th to take off at 2 AM and land at 7 AM at Paris CDG. So, we spent our last night on the plane too.
After sending a complaint letter to Promoséjours / FTI, they replied that the first and last days can be dedicated to transport (which I already knew) and that no matter how many nights you book, you’re not guaranteed to spend them in the hotel—it could just as well be on the plane.
I’m really questioning this.
Isn’t there a law that protects customers in cases like this? Because when I do the math, the first and part of the second day were spent on transport, same for the second-to-last and last day. And I paid for 7 nights for a stay that only lasted 5.
Anyway, I just want to say thanks to them—thanks to their two sleepless nights in transit, I’m coming back even more exhausted from a trip that was supposed to be restful!
I also want to warn anyone booking through this agency about visas for Egypt. At booking, they told me the visa was included in the price, then they sent me an email saying I’d have to pay for it on-site at 25 €. Once there, we were directed to a special line for FTI customers, and guess what? They charged us 30 €!
Basically, they’re great at making sure you *enjoy* your vacation—mostly by enjoying your wallet!
If anyone has dealt with this kind of situation and won their case, I’m all ears.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there!
I’m heading to Thailand for two months.
So I thought I’d get a Thai SIM card to use Google Maps for getting around cities, mostly.
Here’s my question: will this SIM affect my apps? Or will they work the same as with my Orange SIM?
Is there any setup I need to do, or can I just pop in the Thai SIM?
I’d also like to switch back to my Orange SIM now and then while I’m in Thailand—on the same phone. Will I need to reset the phone, or will it reconnect without any issues?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Best,
Huiclos
Just got back from Egypt a few days ago and couldn't exchange my 1900 Egyptian pounds at the airport. If anyone's interested, let me know!
Hi, I’d like to know where we can buy beer or wine in Chefchaouen and around Merzouga. We’ll be doing a circuit and staying at the Parador Hotel in Chefchaouen and in a bivouac in Merzouga.
Thanks for any info you can share!
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to all travelers and globe-trotters on this forum. I’m a teacher in Creuse working in a ULIS program (which welcomes children aged 6 to 12 with disabilities into a mainstream school). This year, I’m launching a school journal project that will involve the kids in many different topics. A big part of this journal will focus on opening up to the world, embracing differences, travel, global cultures, and more.
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
I’m putting out a call to invite as many of you as possible to send us a postcard (from France or anywhere in the world)! The goal is to help us "travel" and discover new places, countries, and horizons in a way that’s much more fun and exciting than a geography textbook. One section of our journal could be called "We received a letter from ," where we’d research the location and share what we learn with our readers—a really enriching activity for the classroom.
The project starts in September 2025 but doesn’t have a strict end date, since this journal and world-discovery initiative will span several school years (the kids stay in the ULIS program for multiple years). Postcards can be sent anytime—throughout the year, across seasons, even during holidays! The kids will find them when they return.
I hope this idea appeals to as many of you as possible, and that you’ll spread the word to your fellow travelers. Help us dream and explore!
For those who’d like to write to us in a language other than French, no problem—quite the opposite!
Thank you in advance for your participation! Below is our address. If you’d like us to write back, feel free to leave your address on a corner of the postcard! 😊
ULIS program students Bonnat Elementary School 12 rue Georges Sand 23220 BONNAT Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon! 😊 Julien 🙂
Hi there! I have to leave Ivato/Antananarivo on December 16th. I have a lot of ariary that I’d like to exchange for euros since I might not be coming back to Madagascar (after this 21st trip). I think the exchange office at Ivato also buys ariary back. If any of you have seen the rate for this buyback in advance, thanks a million!
Hi there, I use video and photo editing software for my "work".
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
A conflict has been showing up lately when I open the software. Photo attached.
Is there a specialist around who could help me out?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for a website that would let me plot my travel route in advance so I can print it out. The idea is to create a map with a little “me” on a bike that my parents can move along as I progress, since I’m planning to cycle all the way to Nepal.
If any of you have done something similar or know of a good tool, I’d love to hear your tips!
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi,
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
I'm looking to buy an ultra-lightweight 50/55L travel backpack with a suitcase or front opening. Does anyone have any brand and/or model recommendations? Thanks, Emma
Hello. We’re a retired couple heading to Sri Lanka from January to March. After the November floods, I’d like to know if we can offer hands-on help to the locals, maybe pack some clothes or other items people might need in our luggage, and who we could give them to. Thanks for any info from those on the ground.
Hello,
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Be careful when sailing between Somalia and northern Madagascar. It appears to be Somali pirates who have widened their search in the Mozambique Channel, far from their usual attack zone, since, to my knowledge, there are no Malagasy pirates.
https://www.parismatch.com/actu/faits-divers/un-couple-de-navigateurs-franco-australien-retrouve-mort-au-large-de-madagascar-victimes-de-pirates-260904?fbclid=IwY2xjawOaqqdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETBLVkRPSGpTVzBUSW9wYUtyc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqinPb_OCfcRQQY-Q_fkyDinuvXgm7JwywSMTxJ-TQw84joH-i3uJ08W7frW_aem_ql7JQ5yOLn3XWyrhSIe7kQ&utm_campaign=mrf-facebook-parismatchmag&mrfcid=20251130692956807717c72c586c0c48
Hi,
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.
Not sure if this is the right section, but just wanted to warn future travelers...
Where’s Cape Vidal? It’s in iSimangaliso, an independent park in KZN Wildlife, stunning and just a stone’s throw from St Lucia (KwaZulu-Natal, Maputaland). It’s the beach spot at the end of the Eastern Shores road. You can swim, fish... but watch out for waves, currents, and sharks... There’s a really nice game drive where you can get out of your car at certain points, especially at Cape Vidal. That’s where the camp with bungalows and campsites is. The vervets and samango monkeys (endemic to the area, and the males are pretty big) can be a bit of a nuisance if you’re trying to braai... They’re super persistent and not shy at all—don’t let them intimidate you, and stay alert because their speed at snatching food is impressive. Anyway... I’m reporting two recent attacks by these hyenas... who were *not* in a playful mood... The first one happened at night—a hyena tried to bite a camper’s nose off in their tent... and succeeded. The other night, a camper returning to their tent in the early hours was violently attacked by two hyenas... and they had a close call! So, if you’re camping there, be careful... Measures are being taken, but for now, it’s a bit risky.