Je suis actuellement en train de réfléchir à comment organiser au mieux un futur voyage en Tanzanie (mi-juillet, pleine saison youpi). Voir le maximum de choses sans pour autant vider mon compte en banque.
Voici ma liste de questions
- Quelle solution offre le meilleur rapport qualité/prix : tour opérateur tout inclus depuis la France, tour opérateur local ou location d'un véhicule pour faire les trajets inter-safaris?
Si vous avez des sites d'agences à me conseiller, je suis preneur 🙂
- 15 jours pour le couple Safari-Zanzibar, suffisant ?
- Quel budget journalier moyen est nécessaire en Tanzanie version touriste paparazzi animalier et farniente zanzibarien ?
- Est-il vrai que le visa peut s'acheter à l'aéroport ?
- Y'a-t-il quelque chose en particulier qu'il est important que je sache ? 🙂
J'ai parcouru pas mal de sites, mais ça reste assez flou dans ma tête. J'aimerais bien avoir l'avis et les recommandations de personnes ayant déjà visité le pays, ou encore mieux, qui y vivent.
Je vais suivre attentivement les réponses. Nous prévoyons de partir en janvier, parce que .... il semblerait que ce soit la meilleure saison (selon l'agence!). Nous ne voulons pas être en groupe, nous choisirons donc une formule pour deux personnes. Nous avons quelques pistes une pour le nord + Zanzibar et l'autre pour le sud. Comme cette formule coûte chère, nous espérons ne pas nous tromper dans notre choix 🤪 parce que évidemment nous ne referons pas le même voyage prochainement !
On m'a conseillé l'agence "Le Tigre Vanillé", ils proposent des circuits mais font également du "sur-mesures", je vais aller les voir dans le courant de la semaine. Nous sommes bien entendu preneur de tous les bons conseils ! Nous aimons : la nature, les animaux (beaucoup!!), les endroits calmes mais aussi ... du confort (pas le luxe ostentatoire hein!) ....
Un jour la vie s'arrêtera, il faut profiter de l'instant présent.
Le moins cher est d'acheter les billets d'avion puis de réserver dans une agence locale car en France l'agence se prend une commission.
Pour ma part, il y a 3 ans j'avais pris le cercle de vacances, ils ont sous traités avec Léopard Tours la plus importante de Tanzanie
Au niveau agence tu as :
Léopard tours, Corto Safari, Belafrica
Multichoice Safari, Greatzone Africa
Ils ont tous des sites. Pour te donner une idée de tarif 5 jours de safari (4 nuits en lodge) Serengeti, Tarangire et Ngorongoro revient à 1300 euros chez Léopard Tours en pension complète, entrée des parcs, une bouteille d'eau accompagné d'un chauffeur guide en français.
Pour Zanzibar, donnes moi ton budget, je te conseillerai des hôtels, je connais des hôtels à partir de 50 dollars avec petit déjeuner.
Tu peux acheter directement ton visa à l'aéroport et c'est moins cher 50 dollars, tu télécharges le formulaire sur le site de l'ambassade de Tanzanie à Paris, tu prends 2 photos (parfois pas besoin) et ils te le font en 5 minutes par contre il faut le vaccin de la fièvre jaune 34 euros à faire dans un service spécialisé vaccinations internationales.
Il faut penser à prendre un anti pallu, moi, je prends de la Malarone car je n'ai pas d'effets secondaires (30 euros la boite dans certaines pharmacies sinon 45 euros).
La 1ère fois que je suis allée en Tanzanie, j'y suis restée 15 jours sans suffit pour faire le safari et Zanzibar.
Pour les vols, tu peux arriver sur Nairobi et prendre le bus Impala qui va à Arusha.
Je pars en Mars, j'ai pris un vol multi stop arrivée à Zanzibar et le retour, je pars de Nairobi
Sinon tu peux arriver sur Dar Es Salam mais tu dois prendre le bus pour Arusha c'est une journée de trajet et pour Zanzibar le ferry ou l'avion (60 euros l'aller environ)
Tu as des vols zanzibar via Kili ou Arusha
N'hésites pas à me contacter si tu veux des infos
Bonne soirée
Lolette
Les prix annoncés par "Lolette 54" me paraissent chers .
Les grosses agences , ne sont pas toujours les meilleures , tout est question de "matraquage pub " ou de "marketing "
Il y a env 200 agences sur Arusha rien que sur le net et avec les avis des membres trés experimentés on peut se faire un choix avant de les consulter pour devis .
Voir l'avis de "touline" qui rentre d'un 1er safari avec Great zone africa ;nous avions eu un devis qq peu baclé qui nous avait fait hesité ......
;lire aussi les avis des ceux qui partent avec "vie sauvage" et de qui nous avions eu un devis trés détaillé et de tres bon rapport qualité prix .ou de "Hors pistes " serieux mais un "choullia" plus cher .
Pour notre part avec env 20% de moins que les prix annoncés par "Lolette54" nous avons réalisé 8 jrs de safari en pension compléte dont 8 nuits en tented camp ;et lodge (de qualité 3*estimée;si on peut comparer ainsi ....) etaient comprises les entrées des parc et aussi tous nos transferts taxi + nos 4 nuits d'hebergement avec PdJ en 1/2 pension sur zanzibar au red monkey et 1 nuit avec PdJ au Hiliki house à Stone Town
Zéro mauvaise surprise au final .
Pour les vols nous avions choisit Qatar Airways au daprt de CDG avec escale 3h env à Doha; arrivée à Nairobi puis retour de Zanzibar via Dar es Salam via Doha .Le vol "précision air" de ZZ vers Dar etant inclus ds le prix de 750 euros /pers .
Cela "eviterait" de payer une taxe en quitant ZZ (directement vers l'internationnal ) qui a déjà eté mentionnée par certains membres (reélle ou pas cette taxe , ?? mystére.... ).
Cependant si vous effectuez la liaison nairobi/kili airport par avion (env 80euros) ; au départ de CDG en vue du transit à Nairobi pensez à demander à Qatar Airways s'il leur est possible de faire transiter vos bagages sur "précision air " il sera ainsi possible d'éviter les 25 USD /pers de visa de transit (ça paye une partie du billet d'avion ) et surtout on arrive ainsi par un ATR 72 dans un aéroport vide hors ds grands vols internationnaux et cela permet des formalités de police et de visa" trés cool" (1/2h à 40mn pour recupérer les bagages ;visas ;douanes et etre sortis ) Pas de photos ni de formulaires à telecharger à prévoir avant de partir .Une simple fiche d'entrée pour l'immigration à remplir et les comptoirs sont équipés de caméras vous photographiant sur place .mieux qu'à CDG !! lol!
Le vol Kili airport /Zanzibar restant necessaire (pour ne pas perdre trop de temps) il faut compter 170euros/pers env. , achetés sur Go voyages en meme temps que les vols Nairobi/Kili airport .
Bons préparatifs à tous
jp
"on ne choisit pas les trottoirs de manille ;de paris ou d'alger pour apprendre à marcher" (maxime le forestier)
Les prix annoncés ne sont pas très chers car ce sont des lodges 4*, j'ai déjà fait ce safari avec Léopard dans ces lodges et les prestations étaient excellentes.
Le véhicule était nickel, le toit s'ouvrait en hauteur, nous pouvions nous mettre debout et le guide connaissait parfaitement la Tanzanie et son français était excellent.
J'ai reçu un devis de chez Greatzone, il est moins cher mais ce sont des lodges 3*.
Ensuite tout dépend de notre budget !!
Pour ma part, lorsque j'avais fait mon 1er safari, j'ai fait 18 jours avec Cercle de vacances, Parcs du grand nord et Zanzibar en single j'ai payé une fortune en le prenant de France.
Je n'ai pas vu avec quelle agence pars tu ?
Greatzone est une petite agence, il est nouveau sur le marché. Je pense qu'il n'a pas assez d'argent pour investir dans des 4/4 neufs et il y a beaucoup de concurrence.
De plus, je pense qu'il est le seul à parler français dans son agence.
Je dois rencontrer Luka en mars de Greatzone pour le conseiller sur ces points négatifs.
J'ai demandé un devis à Corto.
Il faut savoir que les entrées dans les parcs ne sont pas donnés.
Concernant les vols, là, je pars sur Ethiopians Airlines, CDG via Zanzibar et je reprends l'avion à Nairobi pour CDG, prix 663 euros. Je voyage souvent avec Ethiopians ils sont supers.
En plus, nous avons le droit à 2 bagages de 23 kilos (pour moi qui reste 20 jours c'est bien) Il faut penser à apporter des bonbons, chocolats, médicaments etc..)
Moi, je ne peux pas prendre le vol Znz via Kili car j'ai trop de bagages.
Je vais prendre un petit bâteau à Nungwi via Pangani, je vais visiter ce côté puis je prendrai le bus pour me rendre à Moshi et Arusha.
Bonne journée
Lolette
ça non plus je ne suis pas d'accord.
Et pourquoi pas des cacahuètes...? 😠
Je voudrais te rappeler que ces pauvres gens n on t pas accès aux soins dentaires.
T'expliquer aussi que quand ils courent derrière ta voiture pour "attraper tes bonbons", les enfants ne prêtent plus attention aux troupeaux qu ils gardent souvent et se font disputés par leurs parents (vécu)...!
Réfléchis à ça.
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Tu as raison, ça doit être pour les planter, pour les faire pousser.
Ou alors juste pour faire couler le chocolat sur les habits dans la chaleur du coffre...
Bises
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
J'en profite pour rebondir sur les soins dentaires évoqués par francky qui sont ; avec les corrections visuelles
des manques réels ds ce pays .Agnés la "manager" du Hiliki House nous a expliqué que cs 2 types de soins sont quasi inexistants meme à l'hopital public se Stone town
Nous étions pleins de bonne volonté et avions pris avec nous 5 ou 6 montures de lunettes à donner ou si possible à utiliser telles quelles avec leurs verres .Aprés avoir cherché un opticien à Arusha et à Stone Town
aprés conseils et discussions nous avons appris que; ce genre de soins ne sont pour ainsi dire pas réalisés du tout ;nous avons donc du ; "depités "ramener avec nous nos montures pour les remettre à "opticiens sans frontiéres "
Les 7 ou 8 tee shirt mais surtout les quelques dizaines de stylo et crayons ont éffectivement fait plus d'heureux auprés des enfants .
Si vous y pensez prenez aussi les savons et autres "shampoo" de vos chambres de lodges pour les remettre aux plus demunis croisés sur votre chemin ; les sourires des qqs femmes trés demunies rencontrés ds stone town nous ont fait comprendre à quel point meme cela leur etait utile .
à+
jp
"on ne choisit pas les trottoirs de manille ;de paris ou d'alger pour apprendre à marcher" (maxime le forestier)
J'ai lu avec beaucoup d'attention chacune de vos réponses, merci beaucoup.
Ce que j'aimerais c'est étaler sur une quinzaine de jour les parcs du nord et Zanzibar. Mon but et de voir le maximum sans me ruiner. Je n'ai pas besoin de lodge grand luxe, je vais pas là-bas pour me reposer mais pour découvrir le pays!
Que pensez-vous de ce plan de voyage
- Avion pour Arusha via Nairobi
- 8-10 jours dans les parcs du nord avec l'une des agences conseillées par vous-même
- Arusha-Dar es' en bus puis ferry pour Zanzibar
- 3-4 jours à Zanzibar
- Retour sur l'Europe en avion depuis Zanzibar
Est-ce que c'est jouable pour un budget de MAXIMUM 3000€ ?
Est-il plus judicieux de passer par une agence pour les parcs du nord ET Zanzibar ou est-ce meilleur marché de me débrouiller par mes propres moyens (transfert et logement sur l'île) ?
Bref, que feriez-vous si vous souhaitiez visiter les parcs du nord et Zanzibar en 15 jours pour un budget relativement bas pour ce type de voyage?
Je vois que tu m'attaques beaucoup, pour une fois que je suis active sur ce site. Je donne mon vécu.
Lorsque je parle d'apporter des chocolats, café solubles, bonbons etc.. Ce sont les habitants eux mêmes qu'ils me le demandent. De plus je connais une belge et une greque qui me demandent du chocolat.
Lors de mes voyages, je vais souvent en village Massai et dans le village, ils ont tous de très belles dents. Ce n'est pas mes quelques bonbons qui vont leur abîmer les dents. Il faut déjà regarder le problème en France, le problème d'obésité chez les jeunes et tous les bonbons et chocolats que les enfants mangent tous les jours.
Lolette, je vais te dire, je t'aime bien parce que tu es quelqu'un de gentil. Je le pense sincèrement.
mais regarde ce que tu dis comme bêtises des fois :
Il faut déjà regarder le problème en France, le problème d'obésité chez les jeunes et tous les bonbons et chocolats que les enfants mangent tous les jours
ici c'est mauvais pour nos enfants, et là bas ils ont le droit de se pourrir la santé ???
Ah lala...
pour une fois que je suis active sur ce site
ça c'est vrai. et c'est très sympa ainsi...
Et je vais arrêter de te décourager... 😉
Amitié Lolette
Franck
Tanzanie-2010
Kawaza Village
Botswana : https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2037270
Et puis j'imagine pas l'état des trucs avec la chaleur! 😄
Sinon j'ai trouvé un vol aller-retour Rome-Nairobi via Le Caire pour 522€ sur eDreams... sachant que un Genève-Rome sur EasyJet avec bagage je dois m'en sortir pour 80-100€ de plus, c'est vraiment intéressant.
J'attends les devis de 6-7 agences locales. Je vous tiens au courant dès que possible
Une fois, j'ai pris un vol pas cher avec Emirates 23h de temps car escale de 8h à Dubai, j'étais morte à l'arrivée et au retour j'étais malade tout le voyage.
En mars, je vais faire le même parcours. J'ai trouvé des billets sur Ethiopian en direct arrivée à Zanzibar et départ de Nairobi pour 663 euros.
Pour le bus Arusha via Dar, j'ai payé 20 euros avec Dar Express et le Ferry c'était 40 dollars pour Znz, le problème j'avais dû dormir une nuit à Dar car les horaires ne correspondent pas entre Ferry et bus.
L'hébergement est très cher à Dar et ce n'est pas top.
La navette entre Nairobi et Arusha est de 30 à 35 dollars + visa de transit
Chacun apporte ce qu'ils veulent. Moi, je sais que je vais leur faire plaisir avec du chocolat, c'est mon problème.
Si j'habite là bas, je serai contente que quelqu'un m'apporte du chocolat. Aujourd'hui, une amie m'a envoyé un mail pour me demander du chocolat et du fromage.
Lorsque vous habitez là bas, ces petites choses vous manquent
C'est vrai tu m'as découragé et tu m'as montré une autre face de ce forum. A peine, que les membres mettent leurs avis, certains attaquent de suite.
Maintenant je ne donnerai plus mon avis sur mon vécu, je répondrai en MP au moins je ne recevrai plus d' attaques.
C'est une des raisons qui me motivent à partir vivre en Tanzanie. En France, les gens sont aigris et méchants.
Il y a un an, un membre a fait ce safari avec Jackpot, elle était très contente.
Voici notre safari (en anglais):
Day 1: Depart from Arusha at 0900 AM. Stop at Shoprite
for quick shopping before leaving to Lake Manyara National Park (about 1 ½
hour drive). Spend the day on game drive in Lake Manyara, with picnic lunch
in the park. In the afternoon drive to endoro lodge http://www.endorolodge.com/ for dinner and
overnight. Today you will also have the opportunity to buy some curios in
the afternoon.
Day 2 : Breakfast at campsite around 8 9 AM, before leaving for Serengeti
National Park, through Ngorongoro Conservation Area. Spend the whole day on
game drive in Serengeti, with picnic lunch at Naabi hills gate. Afternoon
game drive in the park before dinner and overnight in the park.
Day 3 : Early morning game drive in Serengeti (6 AM), before returning to
camp for breakfast around 9 AM. After breakfast you will go on your second
game drive of the day, around Seronera area. In the afternoon you will drive
to Ngorongoro Conservation area, for dinner and overnight at Simba campsite.
Day 4 : Early morning breakfast at Simba campsite, around 7 AM. After
breakfast descend into the world famous Ngorongoro crater for full 6 hour
game drive. Enjoy a picnic lunch at the crater floor, before ascending the
crater and drive for dinner and overnight at African sunstar resort
Day 5: afrte breakfast drive to Tarangire for fully day game drive in Tarangire later drive to Arusha
The price for this safari is 1000, - USD pr person
This includes
- 1.5 Liter of water pr person pr day
- All camping equipment
- All park fees
- All guide fees
- All meals (3 meals a day)
- All entry fees
- All accommodation fees
What is not included
- Tips/gratuity for the guide (highly recommended)
- alcohol
Nous étions très satisfaits par Jackpot safari je peux te donner les coordonnées du responsable de l'agence
Je suis peut-être complètement à côté de la plaque mais 1000$/pers ça me paraît cher surtout que c'est en camping sauf un lodge. En plus ce n'est pas long comme safari : Une nuit dans le Serengeti c'est pas beaucoup et Tarangire pareil. Décidément je trouve ça cher !!!. Nous avons payé 4200$ (Canadiens) pour 7 jours de safari, tout en lodges (cause santé) avec 2 nuits dans un tented camp de charme dans le Serengeti (Mbuzi Mawe)et avec un TO de Montréal.
Je viens de recevoir le premier devis des 6-7 que j'attends.
Déjà je pense faire Genève-Rome avec EasyJet (moins de 100€) et après Rome-Nairobi via Le Caire avec Egyptair (520€ aller-retour sur eDreams)
Voilà donc le devis de Hotsun Safaris
"Day 1.
Start from Moshi to Arusha National Park for a full day game drive then drive to Manyara for dinner and overnight at Twiga Campsite
Day 2.
Early after breakfast start a game drive in Manyara National Park full day, Dinner and overnight at Twiga Campsite.
Day 3.
Early after tea or coffee, start a drive to Serengeti with game en route for the whole day then back for dinner and overnight at Seronera campsite.
Day 4.
After breakfast do a game drive in North Serengeti for the whole day and then go to Lobo Camp for dinner and overnight.
Day 5.
Early After breakfast do a game drive at the Central Serengeti for the whole, dinner and overnight at Mbalagate Camp.
Day 6
In the morning drive to Ngorongoro and do a half day game drive, dinner and overnight at the rim of the crater at Simba Campsite
Day 7.
Early after tea or coffee drive to the crater for 6 hours game drive then back for lunch and then drive to Lake Eyasi for dinner and overnight at Bush Camp.
Day 8.
After breakfast go for bush man for hunting then after do a cultural tour visiting datoga, and tindiga people, after go the Lake and then drive to Manyara at Twiga Campsite
Day 9.
Early after breakfast drive to Tarangire National Park for full day game drive then start driving back to Moshi for rest in the reserved Hotel
The price is paid in dollars per person per day.
price 220$ per person X 2people X 9 days = 3960$ Total Amount.
The Price Includes:
Airport pick-up and drop off, 2 nights Hotel accommodation, Transport (safari jeep), driver-guide, lunch box, cook, food (3 meals a day), all entry fees, park fees, crater fees, camping fees, camping equipments like tents, tables, chairs, sleeping bags, mattress, mineral water, wine and BBQ."
Ce qui fait donc 1515€ par personne en camping
Pour Zanzibar on pense s'organiser par nos propres moyens
As tu lu des bons commentaires sur cette agence ? Je ne connais pas.
J'attends de voir tes 6 autres devis.
Moi j'ai reçu Corto ils sont très chers 1500 euros pour 5 jours 4 nuits en camp.
Je ne sais plus si c'est sur cette discussion que j'ai mis mes devis !!
Je n'ai jamais essayé en camping mais pourquoi pas ?
Oui, quelqu'un la recommandait ici même sur un autre sujet.
D'après ce forum : http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1932678 l'agence est en plein développement mais les prestations sont bonnes. Je doute que niveau prix je puisse obtenir mieux. Sinon, Corto m'a l'air assez cher en effet.
Et pour le camping, c'est sûr que ça ne vaut pas une lodge mais bon, c'est l'occasion d'être en totale immersion. Pas trop non plus j'espère, les moustiques européens aiment bien mon sang en général 😛
Je vais essayer de négocier à 200$/jour au lieu de 220 étant donné que j'ai certains commentaires faisant référence d'un budget moyen de 150€/jour.
Il faut te dire que la mi-juillet c'est la pleine saison et en plus c'est la migration. En plus Corto est très connue et bien coté, et en camping c'est nettement moins cher et encore là ça dépend des tentes, attention ... Il y en a de différentes sortent : Igloo ou plus confo. Tout ça influence sur le prix.
Ce que je trouve dans tous vos circuits c'est que vous ne restez pas longtemps en place, trop de déplacements et les game drive toute la journée ça ne sert à rien les bestiaux sortent le matin au lever du soleil et le soir un peu avant la nuit. Ce qui est bien c'est d'être dans les parcs.
Je vous dis ça parce que lors de mon safari en Tanzanie on était en dehors des parcs, donc trajets aller-retour mais surtout une heure précise pour sortir des parcs !!!. Et les journées pleines en safari c'est moi qui le voulait pour maximiser les chances : Faux !!!.
Donc la prochaine fois : L'intérieur des parcs et game drive matin (6h00) et fin après-midi (15h30)
Pour mon devis avec Hotsun c'est en tentes igloo!
Je sais bien que les deux circuits que je vous ai montré ont quelques incohérences, mais j'ai un budget relativement peu important pour ce type de voyage, donc j'essaye de faire au mieux.
Sinon j'ai une question par rapport aux migrations mi-juillet/début août. Privilégieriez-vous plutôt le Serengeti ou le Tarangire si vous ne pouviez en choisir qu'un seul ?
Je ne peux te dire pour la migration car j'y étais en septembre 2010 : http://www.vacanceo.com/voyage_membres/fiche-voyage_4924.php
Ce que je sais c'est que les 2 sont sublimes et si tu ne devais en faire que 2 je te dirais ces 2 là !!!. Le N'gorongoro m'a pas épaté et il est très très cher !!!. 200$/US pour y descendre 6 heures et j'ai pas vu plus d'animaux là qu'au Tarangire ou au Serengeti !!!.
Je crois que pour la migration il vaut mieux être au nord du Serengeti mais je ne peux même pas être catégorique. Demande à ton TO ce sera plus safe.
Pour la migration, c'est le Serengeti, tu as un très beau site fait par un membre Blesl
Il y des conseils, de magnifiques photos.
Pour le devis chez Corto, ce sont dans de superbes tentes et je suis en privatif, pas de possibilité de rejoindre un groupe.
Je viens de lire le devis. Il me paraît bien et d'un bon rapport qualité/prix mais une seule journée à Tarangire c'est peu, je te garantis que tu vas le regretter. Je laisserai le Lac Natron et j'ajouterai une journée au Tarangire. Pourquoi ne pas aller au N'gorongoro en allant au Serengeti ?. Aussi, si tu le peux reste dans les parcs pour la nuit. Pas besoin de sortir à 6h00 ou 6h30 le soir et moins de route.
Fais-toi inscrire sur ton devis le genre de tente (important) et le genre de 4X4 (toit soulevant de préférence)
Une chose que j'ai lu dans un forum je ne sais plus où c'est de faire préciser les heures de départ en safari. En fait le max. de détail tu as, le moins de chances possibles d'avoir des problèmes.
Pour le taux de change, attention ça change tous les jours et en plus il y a des frais pris par les banques. à voir si c'est si intéressant.
Allez, c'est un super projet
Arrêtez de discuter sur les prix. Demandez des devis, composez votre séjour, cherchez, fouinez puis affinez votre itinéraire... et ensuite vous parlez prix avec l'agence. Tout se joue à ce moment là. Procédez ainsi car ça se passe comme ça en Tanzanie. On peut avoir deux devis différents pour le même circuit avec les mêmes prestations: tout dépend des qualités de négociateur du client.
Et l'histoire des bonbons, je ne m'en mêlerai pas... je suis en bon terme avec tout le monde ici. Hakuna shida!
Je ne connais que deux sortes de personnes: ceux qui ont des meubles et ceux qui ont des valises". Albert Londres
Tu as raison. Je crois que tout est une question de ce qu'on veut voir et ce qu'on veut faire. Le but finalement en demandant des informations à tout le monde, c'est d'essayer de trouver le meilleur rapport qualité/prix mais à la fin on s'apperçoit que tous les goûts sont différents.
Pouvez-vous me dire si ça vaut la peine de piquer une pointe au Kenya ?
Nous allons probablement choisir le circuit de Great Zone Africa auquel nous avons fait quelques modifications. Je vous copie/colle ce qui est probablement la version finale :
Mais avant cela j'aurais une toute dernière question par rapport aux visas. De ce que j'ai lu, on peut acheter le visa kényan (arrivée à Nairobi) à l'aéroport et le tanzanien à la frontière, mais les offices européennes conseillent aux voyageurs de les obtenir avant le départ car il y a déjà eu des cas de refus de visa... bref, dites-moi en plus sur ce sujet svp 🙂
Arrivée en Tanzanie
Arrivée à l’aéroport de Nairobi la veille de safari, transfert à l’hôtel en ville d’Arusha pour passer la nuit,
l’hôtel Le Jacaranda Hotel ou autre hôtel, lit et petit déjeuner inclus.
Jour 1: Parc National d’Arusha
Le matin, un départ pour le safari dans le parc d’Arusha. Le parc d’Arusha est connu pour ses singes Colobus et la
forêt. Vous pourrez aussi se promener dans le parc. Autres mammifères sont les girafes, zèbres, buffles, impalas etc.
A la fin de l’après midi, sortir pour la ville d’Arusha. Dîner et nuit à Le Jacaranda Hotel, la demi pension incluse.
Jour 2: Parc de Tarangire
Le matin vous allez partir pour le safari dans le parc de Tarangire. Cette réserve est au coeur de la Vallée du Rift et
pendant la saison sèche, sa rivière et ses marécages attirent des animaux de toute la région. Les arbres à saucisses
et les baobabs donnent des fruits qui font le régal des éléphants. Déjeuner dans le parc, puis continuez le safari. Le
soir, dîner et nuit à Maramboi Tented Camp ou Campsite à l’extérieur de parc Tarangire.
Jour 3: Parc de Tarangire
La 2eme journée complète de safari dans le parc de Tarangire, avec hébergement à Maramboi Tented Camp ou
Campsite à l’extérieur de parc Tarangire.
Jour 4: Tarangire - Serengeti
Un départ pour le parc du Serengeti. Ce parc immense possède la plus forte concentration de félins du monde. Ce
site est traversé par une rivière qui attire une faune riche tout au long de l’année (buffles, girafes, antilopes, félins etc.)
On y rencontre également des crocodiles et des hippopotames. Hébergement à Ikoma Safari Camp ou Seronera
Campsite.
Jour 5 et 6: Parc de Serengeti
Deux journées de safari dans le Serengeti qui commence le tôt matin. Vous verrez les lions, les éléphants, les girafes,
les zèbres, les singes, les babouins, les hippopotames, les rhinocéros, les antilopes et beaucoup d'oiseaux et d'autres
espèces. A midi, déjeuner pique nique dans le parc. Le soir, hébergement à Ikoma Safari Camp ou Seronera
Campsite.
Jour 7: Le cratère du Ngorongoro
Le tôt matin, safari dans le cratère du Ngorongoro. Moment d’exception au milieu de tous les grands mammifères
de l’Afrique de l’est (éléphants, lions, rhinocéros, etc.) Déjeuner pique-nique dans le cratère. A l’après midi, sortie du
cratère pour Endoro Lodge à l’extérieur du cratère, ou dans le Campsite.
Jour 8 : Lac Eyasi
Sortir le tôt matin pour accompagner les gens Hadzabe dans leurs chasses traditionnelles jusqu'à midi. Continuez la
visite dans la région de lac Eyasi avec les communautés locales de Hadzabe et Datoga. A l’après midi, après avoir
pris le déjeuner, départez pour lac Manyara. Hébergement à Twiga Lodge ou Campsite.
Jour 9 et 10: Parc de Lake Manyara
2 journées de safari dans le parc de lac Manyara. Le parc national de lac Manyara est connu pour ses lions grimpeurs.
Vous pourrez aussi voir les grands mammifères comme les éléphants, les girafes, les lions, les buffles, les antilopes
etc. et les différents types des oiseaux au lac Manyara. Le dernier jour, à l’après midi, vous partirez pour la ville
Arusha, nuit à Le Jacaranda Hotel, lit et petit déjeuner.
Fin de Safari
Lodges et Tented Camps : prix par personne, 2650 dollars ou 2120 euros
Campings : prix par personne, 1760 dollars ou 1410 euros
Le devis comprend
Les transferts de Nairobi à Arusha.
Logement durant le safari, pension complète.
Matériel de camping
Le transport en 4X4 durant le safari.
Services d'un guide de safari.
Les droits d'entrée dans les parcs.
Bouteilles d’eaux durant le safari.
- > Grosse différence entre les lodges et le camping quand même!
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Hello everyone!
It's been a year since I've been longing for South Africa. Our first trip in August 2025 amazed us, and—rarely—it was a unanimous hit with our little family! We were touched to the core, and from the moment we got home, we couldn’t stop talking about going back. 😄
I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who gave me advice on the itinerary for that first trip (Johannesburg loop: Blyde, Kruger, Eswatini, St. Lucia, Durban, Drakensberg)! Thanks to you, our trip went like a dream!
Since then, I haven’t stopped reading articles and discussions on VoyageForum to keep my head in South Africa a little longer!
So, we finally caved and just booked our tickets for January 2027 (from the 3rd to the 26th), with a plan to do a road trip from Cape Town to Johannesburg in about 3 weeks.
I’ve got a rough itinerary that seems great based on what I’ve read on various forums, but there are still some uncertain points, and that’s where I could use your advice.
3/01: Arrival in Johannesburg at 11:45 PM
4/01: Flight to Cape Town, pick up rental car. Afternoon sightseeing
5,6,7/01: Cape Town to visit the big classics in the area (any tips for finding accommodation: which neighborhood, a specific place?)
8/01: Overnight stop before Oudtshoorn—but where??? (Is it essential, or is the CT-Oudtshoorn drive manageable? If so, I’d gain a day in Oudtshoorn. Google Maps shows over 5 hours of driving...)
9,10/01: Oudtshoorn (or would 3 nights be better to really enjoy the area?)
11,12/01: Knysna, Plettenberg Bay (to have time for hiking—if you’ve got hiking tips, I’m all ears!)
13,14/01: Tsitsikamma (still to have time for hiking—who knows the must-do hikes in the area? But maybe 4 nights in the Knysna-Tsitsikamma area is too much—I’m not sure)
16,17/01: Addo Elephant (I’m torn between 3 nights at Addo or 3 nights at Mountain Zebra. Based on travel journals, especially Michel’s on MZ, I’ve scheduled 3 nights at MZ 😄...)
18,19,20/01: Mountain Zebra NP
21/01: Camdeboo NP (because it looks so beautiful!)
22/01: Overnight stop (where?) before wrapping up the trip with either 2 or 3 nights at Golden Gate NP or the Lesotho option, which appeals to me, but I don’t know if it’s doable in 3 days to be back in Johannesburg by the afternoon of the 26th.
That’s my trip idea for now...
I’m eagerly waiting for your advice, ideas, and comments...
Can’t wait to be back there again!
In Nov./Dec. 2022, I went on a safari in the region and we suffered from the extreme temperatures caused by the "El Niño" phenomenon in the Indian Ocean at that time. On top of the extreme heat, there can be torrential rains, flooding, etc., which have led to disasters with casualties.
We just got back from ten days in Tanzania. We were lucky enough to be guided by Gishaman. Always in a great mood, a good driver, and an excellent guide. Thanks to him, we not only saw the Big Five in one day but also loads of other animals. He works for the local agency Blit Safaris, which provided excellent support throughout our trip. Highly recommended!
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hi everyone,
We’re revising our travel plans for January 2027. Originally, we were considering Uganda for about 14/15 days, but given the current health situation and the restrictions that might affect my partner, who’s American, we’ve decided to switch to Tanzania instead.
I’m used to traveling in South Africa and organizing my trips myself, but I get the impression that planning a safari in Tanzania is quite different.
I know self-drive isn’t really an option in Tanzania. So my main question is: can you organize your own itinerary and book lodges directly, then hire a local driver-guide? Or is it better to go through a local agency that handles the entire safari?
For the itinerary, which parks would you recommend for a first-time visit in January? Serengeti, Ngorongoro, Tarangire, Manyara, Ruaha, Arusha, Selous…
We’d also like to include Zanzibar to end the trip with a few days at the beach. Over 14/15 days, does that sound realistic or too ambitious?
Finally, for flights, is it better to arrive at Kilimanjaro (JRO) or Dar es Salaam (DAR) based on the itinerary we’re considering?
Thanks in advance for your feedback, especially on the best way to organize the safari and which parks to prioritize in January!
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
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Just returned from a three-week family trip to Kenya (with three kids aged 10, 12, and 15), and I wanted to share my experience. Forums were super helpful in planning this trip, especially if you want to get a bit off the beaten path.
First off, Kenya is an amazing destination with incredibly friendly and welcoming locals. It was easy to travel around because you can always find someone to give you directions or help you out.
For practical tips—though you’ve probably read this elsewhere—get a Safaricom SIM card when you arrive at the airport so you can pay via M-Pesa (you can top it up with a credit card using the Wise app) and chat with people on WhatsApp. It’ll make your life *so* much easier (booking trains, buses, park entries, etc.) and save you from carrying too much cash or hunting for ATMs.
Also, we went during the first three weeks of July, which wasn’t peak tourist season.
One thing to note: even if you’re using public transport and budget accommodations, Kenya can still be pricey because tourist attractions add up fast—often more expensive than in France. But honestly, it’s usually worth it!
We started our trip with a 5-day homestay. We were welcomed by a really lovely family in Loitokitok with a view of Kilimanjaro right from their garden entrance (just a heads-up: in July, it’s often shrouded in mist!). To find them, search for Greenfield Homestay in Loitokitok. It was a fantastic experience, especially with kids! On top of transfers, they organized several outings with locals: a hike to the Tanzanian border, a motorcycle ride on the foothills of Kilimanjaro, and a day safari in Amboseli. You can book with them eyes closed! For the safari, Anthony (who’s English-speaking) took us around—he’s from the area and knows the park like the back of his hand. Highly recommend him!
Anthony then drove us to Isiolo, a town in the north that’s just starting to open up to tourism. We wanted to see the Monday livestock market, where different ethnic groups gather to buy and sell goats, sheep, and cows (according to Lonely Planet). We were a bit disappointed and wouldn’t recommend it. We also visited Ngare Ndare Forest, which has a stunning waterfall, an interesting walk with an armed ranger (elephants are common), and a suspension bridge for admiring the canopy. Just make sure to let them know you’re coming at least three days in advance to guarantee a ranger will be available. We also did a second safari day in Samburu—it’s a great complement to Amboseli and totally worth it!
Next, we headed to Naivasha (still with Anthony). We found a place on Airbnb (Jasmine House) at Fischerman’s Camp, a campsite we really loved! You’ll spot hippos, monkeys, and beautiful birds there. We organized several activities: a boat ride on the lake to see birds, zebras, and giraffes; a bike safari in Hell’s Gate Park (the campsite is right by the entrance and rents bikes); and a hike to Crater Lake (departing by boat from the campsite), where you walk among zebras, giraffes, and different gazelles. Naivasha is way more touristy than Loitokitok or Isiolo, but there’s no shortage of things to do.
Finally, we spent our last week in Watamu on the coast. To get there, we took an overnight ENA Coach bus from Naivasha to Mombasa, booked via https://www.travler.africa/. It was comfortable and fast, but you’ll need to call the driver to arrange a pickup spot—the restaurant staff at the campsite helped us out with that! Then we took an Uber to Watamu since we had a lot of luggage (we skipped the matatu).
Watamu is nicknamed "Little Italy" because of all the Italian tourists. When we were there (third week of July), it wasn’t peak season yet, so the beaches weren’t cleaned. But we loved the laid-back vibe and how easy it was to get around. We *highly* recommend the marine turtle rescue center—it’s fascinating (especially with kids) and supports a great cause! We were a bit disappointed by the marine park, though—maybe because of the season? There weren’t many fish, and jellyfish kinda ruined the snorkeling. The mangrove tour is also a must-do.
For the trip back to Nairobi, we took the express train from Mombasa. We booked our tickets when we first arrived in Kenya (since payment is only via M-Pesa). The train is reliable and comfortable, and we saw lots of elephants along the way. Just a heads-up: there are *a lot* of security checks, and we almost weren’t allowed to board with our Opinel knife…
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!
All in all, we had an amazing trip—so much variety, great encounters, and the magic of safaris!
My trip to South Africa is getting closer (still 2 months to go 😏), and I’m diving back into my itinerary: from Saturday to the following Sunday around Cape Town, then from Sunday to the following Saturday in Kruger.
For Cape Town, the plan was to avoid changing accommodation every day (we’ll do enough of that in the second part) but still see different landscapes.
I know, I’m missing out on a lot, but you’ve got to make choices, and after all this time, I know what I like—and especially what I don’t (or like less) 😉
Here’s the breakdown:
Arrival Saturday at 11 AM: heading to Hermanus (2 nights). The idea is to stroll along the cliff path in the afternoon, and possibly drive to the Klein River Lagoon. Sunday: Stony Point, then depending on time and weather, a hike in Kogelberg Nature Reserve or Fernkloof Nature Reserve (which seems less scenic but has shorter walks).
Monday: drive to Franschhoek (1 night). If everything lines up, a hike in Jonkershoek NR and a visit to a wine estate.
Tuesday: drive to Mountceder Lodge in the Cederberg (2 nights). I’m thinking of visiting the Stadsaal Caves and the elephant paintings, and maybe one of the hikes listed on the lodge’s site or Maltese Cross.
Thursday: heading to Hout Bay for 3 nights. In no particular order: a classic day trip around the peninsula, half a day at Kirstenbosch Gardens, and half a day at Lion’s Head.
Sunday: flight to Johannesburg.
My questions are mostly about (short) hikes:
Has anyone here done hikes in Kogelberg, Fernkloof, or Jonkershoek?
At Mountceder Lodge (Michel, if you’re reading this… 😉), has anyone tried the hikes (guided or not) offered by the lodge?
There’s still half a day to fill when we’re in Hout Bay—any ideas (not necessarily hikes)?
Lastly, regarding safety: the French foreign ministry (always alarmist, but still) recommends hiking in groups. Is it really risky in broad daylight? (I’m not sure a group of two women counts as a "group"…)
Thanks in advance for your answers, ideas, and comments!
Question: we’re doing a 3-week trip in Namibia, including 5 days for Victoria Falls.
I’ve booked one night in Brandberg, and then I have some questions.
I was thinking of spending 2 nights in Palmwag, then heading to Etosha for one night in Okaukuejo and then 2 nights in Halali.
Alternatively, from Brandberg, I could book a night near Galton Gate and then enter Etosha.
I’m not really sure about the distances, especially with a 4x4.
Same for the return trip: Halali to Windhoek seems long. Maybe it’d be smart to break it up on the way back? (We have 2 days to get back if needed.) If so, where?
Jambo! I organized my trip through this kind of group, so I thought I’d share my experience here. We traveled as a group of four, including two kids aged 9 and 11. After requesting around twenty quotes, I decided to book the safari portion with MAKING MEMORIES IN AFRICA. Ally responded quickly and listened to all my requests—unlike other agencies—such as having a French-speaking guide, the order of park visits (Tarangire, Manyara, Serengeti, then Ngorongoro), and a mix of budget hotels and camping to keep costs down. There were still four agencies in the running, and price was the deciding factor. Even though they were the cheapest, I felt better taken care of than with others. For example, all meals were prepared by a Maasai chef, Louis, who accompanied us throughout the trip, while some others ate meals out of cardboard boxes. Samuel, our guide, explained so many things and answered all our questions. José drove us safely the whole way. Everything was done with great cheer!
At the end of the stay, Ally came to meet us and gave us t-shirts with the agency’s logo—we loved that they took the time to hear our feedback in person. In short, I highly recommend them +++, especially since it’s a local agency that also supports a charity for women and children.
For Zanzibar, I organized everything myself. I hesitated for a long time but eventually booked all four nights at the same place. We don’t like crowds, so I initially considered Jambiani but ended up choosing EVERGREEN BUNGALOWS in Bwejuu. We took their first airport-to-hotel transfer since we arrived at night, and it felt safer. Great value for money, in our opinion. Just be aware that it’s quite isolated—perfect for relaxing and going on excursions. There were very few beach vendors, unlike what I’d read about Zanzibar. We lived with our feet in the sand from morning to night, with a small basin of water outside our room to rinse off. Such a lovely spot!
I had asked for some excursion prices before leaving but ended up booking on-site. Not at our hotel, but at a nearby restaurant that was cheaper. After some thought, since we were based in Bwejuu, I wanted to do Blue Lagoon and Pungume (both departing from the south of Zanzibar).
Blue Lagoon: About 3 hours total, with snorkeling on a small reef full of fish (coral wasn’t great) and a stop at a spot with tons of starfish, plus local snacks, fruit, and drinks.
Pungume: An amazing day with a 50% chance of seeing dolphins (we missed them), a visit to the mangroves, then snorkeling at a spot with some nice coral and, of course, fish. We ended with a fantastic grill (tuna, shrimp, squid, lobster, and fries) on a sandbank in the shade.
Finally, before heading to Stone Town, we visited Paje Cave, which is much less known than Maalum. It’s smaller, but we saw bats, went for a swim, and fed the chickens and rabbits (great for the kids). To finish, we explored Stone Town on our own and had dinner at Forodhani Market.
For flights, we flew with Turkish Airlines from Barcelona to Kilimanjaro and back from Zanzibar—no issues there. However, I don’t recommend the Kilimanjaro-Zanzibar leg with Precision Air. Our luggage didn’t arrive, and according to the hotel, this happens often. We only got it back a day and a half later.
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.