Circuit de 16 jours au Maroc fin août 2014
by Yassimo
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour Tout le monde, je pars fin aout pour ce circuit avec 2 amis en voiture, Si quelqu'un a des remarques ou des propositions.
Merci
Le 29/08/2014
- 20h00 : Départ de Casablanca
- 22h00 : Arrivée à El jadida pour y passer la nuit Petit tour en ville et diner
Le 30/08/2014
- 08h00 : Réveil, P.déj et préparation pour le départ.
- 09h00 : Départ pour Essaouira en passant par Oualidia et Safi
- 13h00 : Arrivée à Essaouira pour y passer la nuit
Le 31/09/2014
départ à Agadir en passant par Tamanar, Imsouane et Tamragh (174km, environ 2 heures 26 min de route).
- 11h30 : Arrivée à Agadir pour
Le 01/09/2014
- 08h00 : départ à Tan-Tan en passant par Mirleft, Sidi Ifni et Guelmim ( 347 km, 5 heures de route environ).
Déjeuner en route et nuitée à Tan-tan.
Le 02/09/2014
- 08h00 : Réveil, P.déj et Préparation pour le départ à Laâyoune en passant par Tarfaya ( 317 km, 4 heures de route environ).
Petit tour en ville et déjeuner.
Le 03/09/2014
- 08h00 : Réveil, P.déj et Préparation pour le départ à Dakhla ( 536 km, 6 heures 14 min de route environ).
Déjeuner en route
- 15h30 : Arrivée à l’Auberge à 27 Km de la ville de Dakhla à l’extrémité de la baie "Auberge des Nomades du Sahara".
Installation, dîner et soirée prolongée pour les couches tard.
Le 04 et 05/09/2014
- Séjour détente en pension complète au milieu d’une nature sauvage et préservée.
Activités proposées par l’auberge :
Excursions à pieds ou en 4×4 autour de la lagune
La pêche
Kitsurf et windsurf (Le matériel et louable sur place)
- Une petite visite à la ville de dakhla au cours de la journée du 04/09.
Le 06/09/2014
- 08h00 : Réveil, petit déjeuner et préparation pour le retour.
- 09h30 : Départ pour Laayoune, déjeuner en route et nuitée à Laayoune
Le 07/09/2014
- 07h00 : Réveil, petit déjeuner et préparation pour le départ vers Taroudante (695 km, 9 heures de route environ).
Déjeuner en route
- 17h00 : Arrivée à Taroudante pour y passer la nuit.
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Le 08/09/2014
- 07h00 : Réveil, petit déjeuner et préparation pour le départ vers Ouarzazate ( 295 km, 4 heures de route environ).
- 12h00 : Arrivée à ouarzazate petit tour en ville et déjeuner.
- 14h00 : Départ vers Dades en passant par Skoura et Kelâat M'gouna ( 111 km, 1 heure 34 min de route environ).
- 16h00 : Arrivée à Dades pour y passer la nuit.
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Le 08/09/2014
- 07h00 : Réveil, petit déjeuner et préparation pour le départ vers Ouarzazate ( 295 km, 4 heures de route environ).
- 12h00 : Arrivée à ouarzazate petit tour en ville et déjeuner.
- 14h00 : Installation dans un hôtel de la place.
Le 09/09/2014
- 09h00 : P.déj et préparation pour le départ vers Dades en passant par Skoura et Kelâat M'gouna ( 111 km, 1 heure 34 min de route environ).
- 11h00 : Arrivée à Dades pour y passer la nuit.
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Le 10/09/2014
- 07h00 : Petit déjeuner à l’hôtel
- 08h00 : Départ de Dades - Skoura -Tinghir -Valée de draa - Visite Gorges de toudra ( 251 km, 3 heures 10 min de route environ )
- 16h00 : Arrivée à Merzouga (entrée à l’auberge ) - Repos - Départ vers le désert à dos de chameaux (1heure de route) - Assister au coucher de soleil - Passer la nuit au Bivouac (tentes Bédouines) -Diner à la marocaine en plein dunes.
Le 11/09/2014
- 07h00 : Assister au lever du Soleil - Retour à l’auberge à dos de chameaux - Douches, piscine - P.Déj
- 10h00 : Départ vers Midelt ( 268 km, 3 heures 15 min de route environ )
- 13h30 : Arrivée à Midelt pour y passer la nuit.
Le 12/09/2014
- 10h00 : Départ vers Ifrane ( 135 km, 1 heure 50 min de route environ )
- 12h00 : Arrivée à Ifrane pour y passer la nuit : Installation dans un hôtel de la place.
Le 13 et 14/09/2014
- 10h00 : Départ vers Khémisset ( 130 km, 1 heure 42 min de route environ )
Le 15/09/2014
- retour à casablanca .
Bonjour,
Je pense qu'il faut que tu révise sérieusement la durée de tes trajets et ne pas te baser sur des sites type viamichelin.fr ou autres . Bon séjour , Hannah
Je pense qu'il faut que tu révise sérieusement la durée de tes trajets et ne pas te baser sur des sites type viamichelin.fr ou autres . Bon séjour , Hannah
Que se vuelva la tortilla
bonjour
je pense comme Hannah que tu sous-estime les temps des trajets : tu auras beaucoup plus de temps à passer sur la route.
une question : quand tu parles de "'Dades", c'est "Boulmane du dades" ? parce que le lendemain tu redescends vers Skoura avant de remonter vers Tinherir, les gorges ect ? tu pourrais t'épargner l'aller-retour en dormant vers skoura. et continuer le lendemain.
autre point : tu parles de la vallée du draa : c'est pas du tout ton trajet il me semble.
sinon, jolie balade 🙂
une question : quand tu parles de "'Dades", c'est "Boulmane du dades" ? parce que le lendemain tu redescends vers Skoura avant de remonter vers Tinherir, les gorges ect ? tu pourrais t'épargner l'aller-retour en dormant vers skoura. et continuer le lendemain.
autre point : tu parles de la vallée du draa : c'est pas du tout ton trajet il me semble.
sinon, jolie balade 🙂
A yassine
Je descend vers Dakhla en Février , j'ai vu le site de l'auberge des nomades, mais ils n'indiquent pas leurs prix , tu as une idée car ça m'intéresse . Merci Hannah
Je descend vers Dakhla en Février , j'ai vu le site de l'auberge des nomades, mais ils n'indiquent pas leurs prix , tu as une idée car ça m'intéresse . Merci Hannah
Que se vuelva la tortilla
à Cambrousse
Bonjour,
Effectivement, le circuit est dans les environs de 5500Km
Pour dades, oui c'est les gorges de dades, et y a pas bcp de route entre skoura et dades, alors pourquoi ne pas dormir en plein gorges 😛
-Pour la vallée de draa, c'est pas loin de notre circuit, mais vu que le trajet est tres long, je pense pas qu'on vas y aller.
Je suis encore jeune, en plein forme et j'organise des voyage entre amis dans tout le maroc, les distances sont mon dernier souci 😎
Merci
dans les gorges du dades, j'ai dormi à "l'auberge des peupliers". une balle ballade à faire : celles des doigts de singe, faut descendre le long de l'oued et marcher le long des jardins et vers la montagne des doigts de singe.
pour les distances, je disais que tu ne calculais pas pas assez de temps pour chaque trajet. les voitures roulent moins vite que ça ....
mais bon, tu verras sur place.
bon voyage alors !
pour les distances, je disais que tu ne calculais pas pas assez de temps pour chaque trajet. les voitures roulent moins vite que ça ....
mais bon, tu verras sur place.
bon voyage alors !
Bonjour,
Impressionnant ce périple !!!😮 Déjà pas beaucoup de place à l'improvisation 🤪, mais surtout tu vas passer ton temps sur les routes... D'autant que, comme les autres, je pense que tu sous-estimes le temps de circulation : on ne peut pas rouler vite sur les routes marocaines ...
Et puis je ne comprends pas le programme de cette journée :
Départ de Dades - Skoura -Tinghir -Valée de draa - Visite Gorges de toudra
De Dadès, tu reviens sur tes pas pour voir la vallée du Draa pour retourner ensuite voir les gorges de Todra? ou est ce une erreur ?
Pour faire cette grande boucle, je pense qu'il faut au moins une semaine de plus. Mais c'est un beau programme, avec des paysages très variés : mer - montagne - désert.
Impressionnant ce périple !!!😮 Déjà pas beaucoup de place à l'improvisation 🤪, mais surtout tu vas passer ton temps sur les routes... D'autant que, comme les autres, je pense que tu sous-estimes le temps de circulation : on ne peut pas rouler vite sur les routes marocaines ...
Et puis je ne comprends pas le programme de cette journée :
Départ de Dades - Skoura -Tinghir -Valée de draa - Visite Gorges de toudra
De Dadès, tu reviens sur tes pas pour voir la vallée du Draa pour retourner ensuite voir les gorges de Todra? ou est ce une erreur ?
Pour faire cette grande boucle, je pense qu'il faut au moins une semaine de plus. Mais c'est un beau programme, avec des paysages très variés : mer - montagne - désert.
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
Bonsoir Yassine,
Tu dis "les distances sont mon dernier souci". Alors refais complètement ton circuit, en enlevant ton timing "top chrono"... tu ne le tiendras jamais, parce qu'il est impossible à tenir ! Au contraire, laisse-toi vivre : enlève des km et rajoute du temps. En plus, tu vis au Maroc ; tu n'es pas coincé entre 2 vols d'avion, tu as tout le temps de visiter ton pays !
C'est marrant, ça : un Marocain qui court, et des Français qui lui disent : prends ton temps !!! 😎 😛
cordialement,
Tu dis "les distances sont mon dernier souci". Alors refais complètement ton circuit, en enlevant ton timing "top chrono"... tu ne le tiendras jamais, parce qu'il est impossible à tenir ! Au contraire, laisse-toi vivre : enlève des km et rajoute du temps. En plus, tu vis au Maroc ; tu n'es pas coincé entre 2 vols d'avion, tu as tout le temps de visiter ton pays !
C'est marrant, ça : un Marocain qui court, et des Français qui lui disent : prends ton temps !!! 😎 😛
cordialement,
... là-bas si j'y suis...
Bonsoir Elhine,
hh, merci pour ta réponse, meme si je vis au maroc, y a tjr les contraintes du boulot, on peut dépasser les 2 semaines de congé seulement si on est marié, (c'est pas le cas pour moi😛), et un ami à moi qui vit au États-Unis va nous rejoindre et il a aussi le pb de temps, on espère profiter au max.
Pour le timing, c'est juste pour avoir une idée, et comme j'ai dit "les distances sont mon dernier souci, et on peut passer une ou 2 nuit au volant.😎😎
Amicalement
comme les autres avant moi, je pense que tu sous-estimes le temps de conduite et la fatigue ; dans le sud, les routes sont peu encombrées certes, mais de mauvaise qualité, il y a ici ou là des buttes de sable plus ou moins qui sont comme des murs sur la route, il y a le soleil qui te tape sur le crâne... parfait pour s'assoupir un chouia et sortir du macadam ou ne pas voir une de ces mini-dunes !en outre, après Tarfaya, y a plus rien à voir : un coup d'oeil à Laayoune et le désert- steppe hyper monotone.
Un peu avant Tarfaya, passer à côté de la lagune (ou sebkha) de Khenifis sans s'y arrêter, c'est un crime de lèse-maroc !
Ne passer que 2h dans le Dadès (surtout en été) est un autre crime !
Révise ton programme, sois moins ambitieux en distances et profites de ton beau pays calmement et non accroché à ton volant!
Slama
chibani
je crois que ce jeune a posé cette question pour ne pas tenir compte des avis donnés, malgré qu'il les sollicite : à chacune de ses réponses, il réfute les avis et les conseils.
il fait ce qu'il veut, mais je ne vois pas pourquoi il est venu sur le forum.
...."il a aussi le pb de temps, on espère profiter au max"....
Eh , tu vas profiter de quoi Yassine ? même pas du paysage à cette allure . De plus si tu as un copain qui vient des States ce serait bien que tu lui donne une autre idée de ce qu'est ce merveilleux pays où tu habite . 😉
Je comprend ton problème de temps, mais crois moi, tu es jeune, tu as tout le temps de voir et revoir tout ça . Fait un choix , élague un peu, tu ne le regretteras pas.
Bonne journée
Hannah
Eh , tu vas profiter de quoi Yassine ? même pas du paysage à cette allure . De plus si tu as un copain qui vient des States ce serait bien que tu lui donne une autre idée de ce qu'est ce merveilleux pays où tu habite . 😉
Je comprend ton problème de temps, mais crois moi, tu es jeune, tu as tout le temps de voir et revoir tout ça . Fait un choix , élague un peu, tu ne le regretteras pas.
Bonne journée
Hannah
Que se vuelva la tortilla
et on peut passer une ou 2 nuit au volant.😎😎
Et en plus de nuit... pour profiter au max des paysages, ce n'est pas top ! 🤪
Et en plus de nuit... pour profiter au max des paysages, ce n'est pas top ! 🤪
" Nous ne saurons jamais tout le bien qu'un simple sourire peut être capable de faire."
Mère Teresa
c'est parce que tu as de mauvais yeux Yolande; suffit de mettre tes ray-ban 😏
Bonjour tout le monde,
Je suis un peux surpris par vos réponses qui disent que " je fais ce qui je veux..."😠, et "je ne vois pas pourquoi il est venu sur le forum"" 🙁
Je vous ai deja expliqué que le but principal de ce voyage est d'arriver à Dakhla,
et pour ne pas faire le chemin de retour par les memes villes, j'ai ajouté ouarzazat.. pour ne pas revenir par agadir et essaouira,
Pour la question du temps, malheureusement je peux pas depasser les 20jours,
Alors pour profiter au max 😛, je pense qu'on va annuler les nuitées de ifrane et khemisset, et d'aller directement de midelt à casa, comme ca on va gagner 2 ou 3 jours.
Merci à vous
ha c'est pas méchant .... mais tu réponds toujours aux avis comme si tu avais déjà la réponse, c'est tout.
bien sur, tu fais le circuit que tu veux à la vitesse que tu veux.
j ai toujours révé de dire ca a un marocain : les gens pressés sont déjà morts!!!!
askatasuna
Je sais pas où avez vous trouvé le mot pressé sur mes msgs ??,
pour conclure, quand les gens commencent à vieillir, ils ont du mal a faire bcp de route, et leurs pb c'est de ratraper le retard qu'ils ont en matiere de voyages, alors ce sont eux les pressés.( qui dit pressé, dit mort)
Merci de votre soutien et encouragement.
Je pense que je vais continuer la route jusqu'à nador, hoceima en passant par Fes, et descendre par larraiche assila.
j ai toujours révé de dire ca a un marocain : les gens pressés sont déjà morts!!!!
je m explique : combien de fois ai je entendu au maroc des commercants ou autres marchands de tapis me répondre ca quand je leur refuse la visite de leur boutique en leur disant que je n ai pas le temps bien sur quand je dis que j en ai toujours revé c est une facon de parler vu ton niveau d intelligence je pense que tu l avais bien compris c était juste ma facon de réagir a ton post que je trouve d une grande stupidité pour te répondre je n ai aucun probléme avec les marocains il se trouve que je vais au maroc dés que je peux mais c est vrai qu il ne faut pas généraliser tu as l air d une autre éspèce que les marocains que je fréquente habituellement en tous cas je te souhaites quand mémé une bonne visite de ton pays puisque tu as la chance de pouvoir le faire contrairement a tant d autres ah et n oublie pas de prévoir les bakchich pour les excés de vitesse et pour indemniser les gens que tu risque d accidenter en route a bon entendeur beslama mustapha
je m explique : combien de fois ai je entendu au maroc des commercants ou autres marchands de tapis me répondre ca quand je leur refuse la visite de leur boutique en leur disant que je n ai pas le temps bien sur quand je dis que j en ai toujours revé c est une facon de parler vu ton niveau d intelligence je pense que tu l avais bien compris c était juste ma facon de réagir a ton post que je trouve d une grande stupidité pour te répondre je n ai aucun probléme avec les marocains il se trouve que je vais au maroc dés que je peux mais c est vrai qu il ne faut pas généraliser tu as l air d une autre éspèce que les marocains que je fréquente habituellement en tous cas je te souhaites quand mémé une bonne visite de ton pays puisque tu as la chance de pouvoir le faire contrairement a tant d autres ah et n oublie pas de prévoir les bakchich pour les excés de vitesse et pour indemniser les gens que tu risque d accidenter en route a bon entendeur beslama mustapha
askatasuna
Laisse tomber Stef , vous n'êtes pas sur la même longueur d'onde 😎
Hannah
Hannah
Que se vuelva la tortilla
c était juste pour qu il s enfonce encore un peu 😉 (oui je sais je suis trés méchant)
askatasuna
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Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
Tickets for entry to Majorelle Garden are only issued online via an official site
(though there are fraudulent sites out there). On the official site, they ask for legitimate info
(name, nationality, etc.). What made me go "hmm" was the request for both an email address
AND a password (with confirmation). Is this normal?
Thanks for your replies.
Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!