Poche à eau MSR Dromedary et goût de plastique
by Zwoofffx
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Voia cet été nous avons comme déja utilisé les poches à eau MSR Dromedary.
Si en températures "correctes" elles sont bien on s'est retrouvé l'été dernier (2013) en traversant la France avec de grooosses températures sur le vélo (jusqu'à 47°). Là, l'eau devenait imbuvable même le soir. La chaleur aidant l'eau avait un goût de plastique imbuvable, pourtant c'est dans ces moments quelle est le plus utile.
Cela vous est il arrivé? Des solutions?
Bonjour,
J utilise quand je part plusieurs semaines en randonnée et en vélo pour les poches à eau, poches et gourdes du polident (désolé pour la pub) le produit destiné à nettoyer les appareils dentaire , cela tue les bactéries pendant quelques jour ils disent 99,9 % mais j'ai pas compté les survivant... l eau ne prend pas le goût de plastique , et surtout on ne retrouve pas la jolie couleur verte associée au goût de plastique et les algues en dépôt au fond de sa gourde. Perso je choisi des comprimé à la menthe méme chaude l'eau reste buvable...il suffit d avoir un peu d imagination et de rêver au the à la menthe ...
Bonne route
François
Heu !!! J avais pas pensé à cela
Heeeuu, ta photo correspond plus à Blancpieds 😏
Heeeuu, ta photo correspond plus à Blancpieds 😏
ou une cubi de rouge 😛
Ah non pour le vin et notamment le rouge il y a celaLa poche à eau Ortlib donne aussi un goût vraiment dégueulasse, je l'utilise pour la douche et à la rigueur pour faire cuire des pattes. Si j'en bois c'est vraiment en dépannage.
J'ai lu quelque par que l'intérieur est traité pour garder l'eau potable, à confirmer ?
Goût bisphénol A
Merci François pour l'astuce anti bactérien pour dentier, je vais aussi essayer
Merci François pour l'astuce anti bactérien pour dentier, je vais aussi essayer
Bonjour,
Voia cet été nous avons comme déja utilisé les poches à eau MSR Dromedary.
Si en températures "correctes" elles sont bien on s'est retrouvé l'été dernier (2013) en traversant la France avec de grooosses températures sur le vélo (jusqu'à 47°). Là, l'eau devenait imbuvable même le soir. La chaleur aidant l'eau avait un goût de plastique imbuvable, pourtant c'est dans ces moments quelle est le plus utile.
Cela vous est il arrivé? Des solutions?
Bonjour,
Pour supprimer le gout de plastique des poches à eau, j'utilise du bicarbonate de sodium (en vente en pharmacie) :
Remplir la poche d'eau avec plusieurs cuillèrets à café de bicarbonate de sodium. Laisser tremper toute la nuit. Rincer abondamment.
J'ai aussi utilisé de l'eau de javel très diluée mais ça marche moins bien.
Pour les méridionaux, il y a le Pastis 😏
Bonjour,
Pour supprimer le gout de plastique des poches à eau, j'utilise du bicarbonate de sodium (en vente en pharmacie) :
Remplir la poche d'eau avec plusieurs cuillèrets à café de bicarbonate de sodium. Laisser tremper toute la nuit. Rincer abondamment.
J'ai aussi utilisé de l'eau de javel très diluée mais ça marche moins bien.
Pour les méridionaux, il y a le Pastis 😏
Je relance ce post car j'ai essayé une poche à eau ortlieb 4L cet été et c'était vraiment très pratique à tel point que je pense en acheter une deuxième. Par contre l'eau à un gout vraiment dégueulasse de plastique même ne serait-ce que quelques minutes après le remplissage. Est-ce qu'il va s'estomper ? Y a des trucs pour le faire partir, vinaigre, bicarbonate, lait ?
Est-ce que la msr à moins ou plus mauvais goût ?
Est-ce que la msr à moins ou plus mauvais goût ?
j'ai eu 2 vaches à eau 4 litres, MSR et Ortlieb. Je n'ai pas senti une grosse différence pour le goût de l'eau. Surtout quand il faut la traiter au Micropur 😐...
Je trouve la vache Ortlieb plus pratique à l'usage (sangle et réglage débit) ; faut juste faire attention au joint qui peut tomber quand on dévisse complètement le bouchon.
Je ne sais pas si ça marche avec les poches à eau mais, dans le temps, on nettoyait nos bidons au gros sel avec un peu d'eau (soit de la saumure) et c'était très efficace contre le gout de plastique.
Maintenant je met ma bouteille plastique de 1.5l. directement dans le porte bidon
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
Maintenant je met ma bouteille plastique de 1.5l. directement dans le porte bidon
Je prends aussi une bouteille d'eau minérale dans le porte-bidon. L'eau n'y prend pas le goût de plastique. La vache, c'est en plus, car dans certaines régions, transporter 1.5 litre ne suffit pas!
Je prends aussi une bouteille d'eau minérale dans le porte-bidon. L'eau n'y prend pas le goût de plastique. La vache, c'est en plus, car dans certaines régions, transporter 1.5 litre ne suffit pas!
1.5l dans le porte bidon + 2 fois 1.5l. sur le porte bagage AV soit 4.5l. ce qui m'a suffit pour traverser le Portugal et l'Espagne en rechargeant dans les traversées de villes aux fontaines publiques. Et pas de goût de plastique, de l'eau parfois un peu trop tiède mais quand on aime le voyage en vélo, c'est un détail
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
oui, les bouteilles d'eau minérale en plastique sont souvent suffisantes, et c'est une solution de rapport qualité/prix imbattable. Mais dans les régions désertiques, on peut avoir besoin de 10 litres par personne et par jour, et les distances entre points de ravitaillement peuvent approcher les 100 km. C'est plus pratique avec des "vaches" qu'en multipliant les bouteilles. Et ailleurs, c'est tellement agréable de pouvoir se rincer les cheveux au bivouac en suspendant une vache à un petit arbre...
J'ai aussi une 1,5L sur le porte bidon, mais avec des enfants en particulier, c'est bien utile de faire un bon plein avant le bivouac ! Et vide ça prend trois fois rien comme place en comparaison avec plusieurs bouteilles.
je remplace désormais mes poches à eau par un système type "SmarTube" (un tuyau avec valve "tétine" adaptable sur toutes les bouteilles d'eau minérale (ou de bidon vélo ou ...) - La poche, son nettoyage, ne sont donc plus un pb ... on change de bouteille dès que c'est utile ...
Sinon, pour avoir toujours avoir une eau "buvable" même par grosse chaleur (j'ai eu parfois une température d'eau dans le bidon supérieure à ma température corporelle = c'est effectivement parfaitement imbuvable) j'ai testé (dans l'ordre):
- le sachet de thé dans le bidon (mais, dans une poche à eau, ça favorise le développement de bactéries ou mousses diverses ) - bien, le thé tiède, ça passe bien ... mais seulement dans des récipients faciles à nettoyer ..
- qqs gouttes de pastis, (anisés divers , en Grèce Ouzo) ... avec modération bien sûr ... juste pour "changer le goût"
- l'essence de menthe (si l'on y a pensé avant de partir) - là aussi, qqs gouttes seulement pour changer le goût
Dans ces deux derniers cas, ça ne "salit" pas la poche à eau ...
..
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
Je rejoins les possesseurs de vache a eau ortlieb...
L eau est vraiment deguelasse ...
Comme dit plus haut je me demande si ce gout partira un jour ...
En sachant que je vien juste d en faire l acquisition.😕
--> NIKOS LE PTIO CYCLO VAGABOND <--
En Chine on boit de l'eau chaude avec plaisir...
La meilleure solution pour avoir de l'eau moins chaude :
Remplir par exemple un bidon de 5 litres d'eau "fraîche" le matin et le placer dans une sacoche fermée.
Evidemment si tu as peur de porter et de trimballer un bidon de 5 litres...il ne te reste plus qu'à faire un stage en Chine !
La meilleure solution pour avoir de l'eau moins chaude :
Remplir par exemple un bidon de 5 litres d'eau "fraîche" le matin et le placer dans une sacoche fermée.
Evidemment si tu as peur de porter et de trimballer un bidon de 5 litres...il ne te reste plus qu'à faire un stage en Chine !
Par maintenir l'eau fraiche, si on est dans une région où il n'est pas nécessaire d'économiser la moindre goutte, il y a plus efficace que dans la sacoche, surtout si on a des sacoches noires et qu'on ne veut pas transporter 5 litres. On peut emmailloter le bidon ou la vache à eau dans une serviette mouillée (ou T-shirt, chaussette, ...) et la laisser à l'extérieur ; remouiller le linge dès qu'il est sec. J'utilise aussi cette technique pour climatiser le "moteur" du vélo quand je passe à proximité d'un lac ou d'un gros ruisseau: je me trempe habillée et je repars tout de suite.
Ceci dit, boire de l'eau chaude n'est en effet pas un problème ; c'est juste moins agréable.
Ceci dit, boire de l'eau chaude n'est en effet pas un problème ; c'est juste moins agréable.
La poche à eau Ortlib donne aussi un goût vraiment dégueulasse, je l'utilise pour la douche et à la rigueur pour faire cuire des pattes. Si j'en bois c'est vraiment en dépannage.
J'ai lu quelque par que l'intérieur est traité pour garder l'eau potable, à confirmer ?
Goût bisphénol A
Déterrage de post Rémi, est ce que le gout a persisté depuis ? J'ai utiliser la mienne de 4 L il y a peu, c'étais vraiment infect... Des pates avec ce parfum, je ne connaissais pas 😠
Déterrage de post Rémi, est ce que le gout a persisté depuis ? J'ai utiliser la mienne de 4 L il y a peu, c'étais vraiment infect... Des pates avec ce parfum, je ne connaissais pas 😠
reve de longues escapades en moto avec ma moitie , mais depuis le vélo est arrivé ...
Effectivement, les pattes goût Ortlieb c'est pas top (voir immangeable).
Tout l'hiver dernier je l'ai stocké avec du bicarbonate à l'intérieur et cet été elle n'avait plus ce goût et l'eau était tout à fait buvable.
Merci pour la question, ça me fait pensé qu'il faut que j'en remette pour l'hivernage.
Rémi
Comment tu fais , tu le dilue poche pleine ?
reve de longues escapades en moto avec ma moitie , mais depuis le vélo est arrivé ...
les poches à eau, comme les gourdes plastique, il faut les laisser sécher ouvertes, l'orifice vers le bas, sinon développement garanti d'un véritable "écosystème" à l'intérieur.
Pour le bivouac faire le plein juste avant pour éviter que la flotte croupisse et devienne ainsi"marécageuse"
en pharmacie il y a les pastilles pour purifier l'eau, mais la vous aurez plutôt le parfum "javel"
désagréable mais prévient efficacement les "tempêtes intestinales"
Je fait sécher la poche pendant plusieurs jours, et une fois complémentent sèche je saupoudre l'intérieur de bicarbonate, autant qu'il faut pour qu'il y en ai partout, je ferme et je la range.
La veille de mon départ je la rince bien, voilà c'est tout
Merki Rémi .
Je vais adopter ta taquetik et tequenik car c'est vraiment une très mauvaise blague d'Ortlieb .


reve de longues escapades en moto avec ma moitie , mais depuis le vélo est arrivé ...
je confirme et complète le message de Yevgeny : importance d'un "séchage propre". Non seulement il faut, dès que possible, faire sécher ces vaches souples ouvertes, goulot en bas, mais chez moi, je le fais en insérant une brosse à bouteilles dedans pour mieux aérer. En cours de route, je ne transporte pas de brosse à bouteille, mais je ne referme pas le bouchon quand ma vache est vide. Moyennant quoi, je n'ai pas trouvé le goût insupportable : je sens plus le goût du Micropur que celui du plastique !
Mais il est vrai que j'utilise prioritairement une bouteille d'eau minérale gazeuse comme récipient pour l'eau de boisson, et l'eau de ma vache sert plutôt à la cuisine et à la toilette (sauf quand je dois tenir 2 jours sans point d'eau, évidemment)
Je n'avais pas pensé au bicarbonate de soude ou au sel pour le stockage longue durée, j'essaierai, merci pour ce truc.
Mais il est vrai que j'utilise prioritairement une bouteille d'eau minérale gazeuse comme récipient pour l'eau de boisson, et l'eau de ma vache sert plutôt à la cuisine et à la toilette (sauf quand je dois tenir 2 jours sans point d'eau, évidemment)
Je n'avais pas pensé au bicarbonate de soude ou au sel pour le stockage longue durée, j'essaierai, merci pour ce truc.
il y a aussi ce type d'adaptateur sur bouteille d'eau min��rale ....
http://www.expe.fr/fr/convertube.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjwp4fABRCer93Klpaki94BEiQAsXJMGrOIZoj-Cp8-GLARhFOjg7ACQhJXnOC7FCxZ8j1zgmMaAuiO8P8HAQ
nb : ça existe aussi dans d'autres magasins ... mais c'est vraiment la solution pour ceux qui s'hydratent "à la pipette"...
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
bien souvent, à part pour les voyageurs les plus sportifs, ce n'est pas pour "pipeter" qu'on emporte une vache ou autre gourde souple : c'est parce que le stock d'eau sur les porte-bidons ne suffit pas. Et comme ce besoin n'existe que pendant une plus ou moins petite partie du voyage, on préfère une solution qui ne prend pas de place quand on n'en a pas besoin.
Salut !
J'ai une poche à eau MSR et j'avais contacté le fabricant qui m'avait répondu que les poches à eau n'étaient pas faites pour ne pas goûter le plastique. Dans les solutions trouvées tu peux mettre du jus de citron quand tu voyages. Quand tu es chez toi tu peux la rincer avec un peu de bicarbonate de soude. J'ai pas mieux :)
Mais évites les jus de fruits autres qu'agrume, car si tu rinces mal ça peut moisir ensuite et c'est plus risqué pour ta santé.
Dernier point : Tu peux peut-être trouver une manière de l'isoler pour éviter que le goût du plastique ne se transmette trop
J'ai une poche à eau MSR et j'avais contacté le fabricant qui m'avait répondu que les poches à eau n'étaient pas faites pour ne pas goûter le plastique. Dans les solutions trouvées tu peux mettre du jus de citron quand tu voyages. Quand tu es chez toi tu peux la rincer avec un peu de bicarbonate de soude. J'ai pas mieux :)
Mais évites les jus de fruits autres qu'agrume, car si tu rinces mal ça peut moisir ensuite et c'est plus risqué pour ta santé.
Dernier point : Tu peux peut-être trouver une manière de l'isoler pour éviter que le goût du plastique ne se transmette trop
Laura
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claudio

Hi, I'm looking for a Pino tandem bike for sale in Quebec and I can't find any. Does anyone have any info, please? Thanks a bunch!
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
hey everyone,
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
A shout-out to a cycling colleague from Savoie
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php

The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php


The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Tout d'abord... bonne année ! De belles routes à vous en 2017 !
Je voyage depuis quelques années avec un VTT de très bonne qualité mais équipé de freins à disques hydrauliques. Je vis (pédale) avec l'inquiétude d'avoir une panne (fuite, bulle d'air, chaleur qui fait que le liquide...). Mon vélociste me dit qu'il est impossible de les changer pour des V brakes.
Qu'en pensez-vous ? Est-ce que je prends un gros risque à continuer (seule) avec ces freins ? D'avance je vous remercie pour vos bonnes idées.
Hi everyone,
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Hi there,
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Hi there,
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Hi! I’m planning to visit the Stockholm Archipelago by bike in early April.
Do you know if the boats will be running between the different islands at that time of year? For those who’ve already been, all your tips and recommendations are welcome—accommodation, etc. Also, do you know where I can rent a bike in Stockholm? Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hello there, pedal-powered Young Boys!
Claudio (still from Faverges)
dreaming about a cycling getaway in Italy from Faverges (train all the way to Turin)
from Turin down to Venice along the Po River and back via the Padana (Alta Italia da attraversare – Northern Italy to cross)
The tricky part is getting from Chioggia to Venice.
I read it’s possible by hopping on a boat from island to island,
but it sounds a bit stressful.
Has anyone already tackled this route?
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio

Hi there,
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!
Calling all travelers.
We’ll be landing at Lyon Airport and want to bike to La Verpillière train station (with panniers and camping gear, etc.) to catch a TER to Voreppe.
What’s the safest route for this bike trip?
Thanks in advance