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Choosing for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

DomBegga · 2025-08-14 · Message 41 of 91

Good evening,

I’ll definitely let all this simmer for a while...

One thing I wasn’t expecting is the number of flights we’d have to take. If we go with either of the suggested itineraries, I think this’ll be the most I’ve ever flown in my life! Are these flights long? Expensive? Are the boarding procedures similar to what we’re used to in Europe?

Another question: if we stop in Singapore, are there any good deals on accommodation?

Have a great weekend.

Damien

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

Jojoone1 · 2025-08-15 · Message 42 of 91

Yesterday at lunchtime on France 2, there was a nice little report on Green Canyon, in southern Java. Gotta admit, it looked really tempting.

https://www.franceinfo.fr/monde/indonesie-le-canyon-vert-un-endroit-a-la-beaute-preservee_6582303.html

What to choose for a first trip to Asia in the summer: Indonesia or Thailand?

Attila · 2025-08-15 · Message 43 of 91

Flights aren’t very long if the islands aren’t far apart and weren’t very expensive. Between distant islands, a connection may be necessary, which significantly increases the duration.

Bali and Jakarta have a standard airport. On less touristy islands, it’s more of an airstrip than an airport.

The main issue was their unpredictability with certain airlines and the delays. Maybe things have improved since then?

The only easily doable island combo without taking another flight is the classic Java–Bali or Bali–Lombok route. Less classic: all of Java + Bali.

There are also cruises (more or less rustic on small boats) that let you return to Bali or Lombok from Flores, allowing you to connect these islands without flying again.

The archipelago is vast, which is why it’s hard to avoid taking another flight during a trip.

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

DomBegga · 2025-08-15 · Message 44 of 91

Thanks Attila.

Another question is nagging me: if my little one catches something like dengue or malaria on the island of Flores, right in the middle of our trip, is there a way to quickly reach a modern, well-equipped hospital?

First summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

Attila · 2025-08-15 · Message 45 of 91

Indonesia isn’t the country with the most modern infrastructure.

For a trip with virtually zero risk, it’s best to stick to Bali and other major tourist hubs with private clinics.

However, Flores and Java aren’t remote islands with no infrastructure at all. And international insurance companies offer online consultations.

What I’d be more concerned about are serious accidents, heart attacks, strokes, or other age-related illnesses—these seem more critical than malaria, which doesn’t require advanced medical facilities and can be managed without immediate care.

I’d be more worried about an elderly traveler than a child in this case.

On the food front, I’ve never gotten sick in Indonesia, even though I’m usually pretty sensitive to that...

What to choose for a first trip to Asia in the summer: Indonesia or Thailand?

Songsam · 2025-08-15 · Message 46 of 91

Hello,

The thing I wasn’t expecting was the number of flights I’d have to take.

Still, with an archipelago, no stopover in Jakarta or Bali, a choice of a remote island, and two islands on two different time zones, you *should* have seen that coming with that kind of itinerary. That said, in Indonesia, you can also travel from North Sumatra all the way to East Flores entirely by bus and daily ferries—it’s just a matter of time. In Denpasar, some bus companies can even take you straight to Labuhan Bajo in one go, crossing Lombok and Sumbawa with the three necessary ferry crossings. Count on about 3 days. There’s also the option Attila mentioned: a 3- to 4-day boat trip from Labuhan Bajo to Lombok, ranging from rustic to more comfortable, with planned picnic stops and snorkeling on "dream" beaches that are isolated and inaccessible by road.

If we follow one of the two proposed routes, I think I’ll have taken more flights in my life than ever before! Are these flights long?

Aside from the intercontinental flight, the shortest is Labuhan Bajo-Maumere (1h), and the longest is Kuala Lumpur-Labuhan Bajo (3h40). On remote islands more than anywhere else, flights can be delayed or canceled.

Expensive?

Aside from the intercontinental flight, all the airlines mentioned are low-cost carriers. Except for the Labuhan Bajo-Denpasar route, which offers both low-cost and Garuda options, these are the only choices for each leg. Most, if not all, of these flights will be low-cost since there’s no alternative, so it’ll be cheaper than if everything were on regular airlines. But when you add it all up, you’ll still need to budget a relatively comfortable amount for airfare.

Are the boarding procedures similar to what we know in Europe?

In Europe or the E.U.? The procedures differ there. In Asia, the rules are the same as anywhere outside the E.U.

Another question: if we go through Singapore, are there any good deals for accommodation?

I don’t know, but it’s a good question since Singapore is expensive compared to the rest of Southeast Asia.

On the island of Flores, right in the middle of our route, is there a way to quickly reach a modern, well-equipped hospital?

No. For that, stick to Java or choose Thailand.

Choosing between Indonesia or Thailand for a first summer trip to Asia?

Songsam · 2025-08-15 · Message 47 of 91

Yesterday at lunchtime on France 2, there was a nice little report on Green Canyon, in southern Java. I have to admit, it looked really tempting.

https://www.franceinfo.fr/monde/indonesie-le-canyon-vert-un-endroit-a-la-beaute-preservee_6582303.html

"Southern" Java—now that’s precise, given the shape of the island 😉...

In practice, people refer to the regions as West Java (or Occidental Java), Central Java, or East Java (or Oriental Java), which in the local language officially and administratively are Jawa Barat, Tengah, and Timur.

The "Green Canyon" (better known by this name outside Indonesia) is located in West Java, near the border with Central Java. The best base for visiting it is Pangandaran, which also has beaches. The whole area is a pleasant stop, well-known to those who—rightly so—explore the western part of Java, while many others just rush through a Yogyakarta/Bromo/Ijen marathon in 5-6 days before zooming off to Bali.

Your link works, but I couldn’t get the video to play. I did manage to watch it another way.

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

DomBegga · 2025-08-15 · Message 48 of 91

It's interesting because when you get into the practical details, new factors come up (routes, infrastructure) that might influence my choice.

all this put together will still mean you’ll need to budget a relatively comfortable "airfare" amount

Just for the "local" flights (from KL or SG onwards), how much could that roughly be per person? Do these flights also need to be booked in advance, or are the prices the same if you book on the spot?

In Europe or within the E.U.? The procedures differ there. In Asia, the rules are the same as anywhere outside the E.U.

I’m not sure, but from a practical standpoint, if I leave Belgium for southern Italy (a 2.5-hour flight), it takes up the whole day (even more so with a child who doesn’t have an adult’s patience and needs breaks). In the morning, we get ready. In the early afternoon, we head to the station to take a bus to the airport, where we make sure to arrive at least 2 hours early to comfortably go through security and handle any unexpected delays (like crowds). The flight leaves in the late afternoon (5–6 PM). We arrive in the evening (8–9 PM), and by the time we get to our accommodation, it’s nighttime. If that’s the case, all these flights would mean spending a week traveling out of the five planned. Am I misjudging this, or is that realistic?

Choosing between Indonesia or Thailand for a first summer trip to Asia?

Songsam · 2025-08-15 · Message 49 of 91

FYI, I just mentioned you in Gange today at 4:36 PM in this thread: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=10776732;live=1;#10776732

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

DomBegga · 2025-08-15 · Message 50 of 91

Thanks. I’ll go read what he wrote.

If I don’t want to go to Bali, it’s also because I’m afraid of ending up in a landscape like this (see photo here: https://www.rtbf.be/article/le-petrole-contre-notre-sante-discussions-tendues-autour-du-traite-sur-le-plastique-discute-a-geneve-11587247)

What to choose for a first trip to Asia in the summer: Indonesia or Thailand?

Djalma · 2025-08-15 · Message 51 of 91

If I don’t want to go to Bali, it’s also because I’m afraid of ending up in a landscape like this (see photo here)

: www.rtbf.be/...te-a-geneve-11587247)

You can find this kind of landscape anywhere in the world, even in Belgium. Illegal dumps exist everywhere—except maybe in Switzerland. Usually, you stumble upon them by accident, but this isn’t what you see in a Balinese landscape. In this case, it’s in Java, in the mangroves of Surabaya—not exactly a tourist hotspot! Indonesia, like Thailand, isn’t a model when it comes to waste management. What I can say is that, generally, the most touristy islands (or parts of islands) are the best preserved—let’s just say the waste is better hidden ;). Tourism demands it! In Bali, beaches and tourist sites like temples are regularly cleaned, which isn’t the case on other islands. I’ve seen "beaches" in some parts of Sulawesi (for example) that aren’t frequented by Western tourists—littered with trash. They were real dumps! Even remote islands like the Togians aren’t spared. The sea washes everything onto the shores, everywhere! Bali isn’t immune, but it’s regularly "cleaned up," so it’s less noticeable in the landscape.

Choosing between Indonesia or Thailand for a first summer trip to Asia?

Songsam · 2025-08-15 · Message 52 of 91

It's interesting because when you get into the practical details, new factors (routes, infrastructure) come up that might change your choice.

It's better this way because if you had started by asking something like, "I'm torn between these countries—like a 600-page guidebook for each, tell me everything I need to know without missing a thing so I can decide,"* you probably wouldn’t have gotten many precise answers—just stuff like "check out my blog."

* That actually happens sometimes.

Just for "local" flights (from KL or SG onward), how much could that roughly cost per person?

No, because it’s impossible to even give a rough estimate with so many flights involved. Plus, that’s a lot of work I’ll leave to you. To avoid airline websites that glitch (not all of them) because they don’t like foreign IP addresses—or sites that are just overly complicated—for Indonesia, I recommend running your searches on a site like this one: https://en.tiket.com/pesawat. For example, right now, I see that for K.Lumpur-Labuan Bajo on 16/07/2026, it’s 103 € per person with a carry-on but no meal or checked baggage (you can add that on the page where you enter your details). Don’t forget: - Not all flights run daily (for example, I first tried 15/07 for the flight above). - You’ll also see non-direct options (again, for 15/07, only "1 or 2 layovers"). Direct flights usually appear first on the selected date, marked "direct" or "1 layover" under the flight duration. - Some airlines don’t include checked baggage unless you pay extra (check the "what's included" section once you’ve selected a flight).

Do these flights also need to be booked in advance?

In July-August, yes.

I don’t know, but from a practical standpoint, if I leave Belgium for southern Italy (2.5-hour flight), it takes me a whole day (especially with a kid who doesn’t have an adult’s patience and needs breaks). In the morning, we get ready. In the early afternoon, we head to the train station to catch a bus to the airport, where we make sure to arrive at least 2 hours early to go through security at a relaxed pace and handle any unexpected crowds. The flight leaves in the late afternoon (5-6 PM). We land in the evening (8-9 PM), and by the time we reach our accommodation, it’s nighttime.

Yep, it’s the same over there—often, even a short flight can eat up most of your day unless you’re taking an early-morning flight. However: - 2 to 3 of the flights would be domestic, so no police checks, and you only need to be at the airport an hour before departure. - In small towns, the (also small) airports are rarely far from the city center, so no need for a metro or train. And given the cost of living in Indonesia, you’ll think twice before hesitating to take a taxi or similar.

If that’s the case, all these flights seem like they’d take up a week out of the five planned. Am I misjudging this, or is that realistic?

A week, including the intercontinental flights, yes. But don’t count it as if all the flights happen back-to-back.

Also, if you’re worried your daughter won’t handle the 13-hour direct flight to KUL or SGP well, there are great airlines like Qatar Airways, Emirates, or Etihad* that require a layover in the Gulf (international zone) for a few hours. Sure, it makes the flight longer, but at least you can stretch your legs outside the plane for 2-3 hours, wander around the duty-free shops, etc. Another perk: these flights are often cheaper than direct ones.

* Few European travelers to Southeast Asia haven’t flown with at least one of these airlines...

One more important thing no one’s mentioned yet (unless I missed it): on Flores, public transport between towns is slow, uncomfortable, and infrequent (though it does exist between all the towns along "the" road that crosses the island). The upside: you’ll have an easier time connecting with locals—even more so with a young child in your group. Expect offers to hold her on their lap. And if she’s blonde...

What to choose for a first trip to Asia in the summer: Indonesia or Thailand?

Attila · 2025-08-15 · Message 53 of 91

Between towns on Flores, public transport is slow, uncomfortable, and infrequent (but it does exist between all the towns along "the" road that crosses the whole island).

Personally, I took shared taxis. The experience was less of a hassle than the buses in Java or Flores.

The most uncomfortable part of Flores is for those who can’t handle winding roads.

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

DomBegga · 2025-08-15 · Message 54 of 91

If I understand correctly, Flores is a bit "adventurous." That’s what attracts me because it seems like the kind of place where you really connect with a world far removed from our Western civilization—that’s what makes travel so interesting. But on the other hand, safety and budget are important too (can’t have it all, right?—I get it!)

I’ll go read Gange’s experience, think it over a bit, and come back later to share my updates.

Since we’ve been talking about work and chatting for a while now, I’m starting to feel like I know you all a little, and there’s a question burning on my lips, Songsam: do you have any professional interest in answering questions on this blog, or is it purely volunteer work that lets you share your passion?

Anyway, good night!

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

Dennis2 · 2025-08-16 · Message 55 of 91

Hello, what's great about Flores is renting a boat for a little cruise around the islands—it's pretty unforgettable.

Just a heads-up about traveling in Indonesia with a little one: it can be a bit of a hassle with a stroller because there aren’t proper sidewalks in many cities.

No particular risks with kids otherwise, except, like everywhere, being careful around pools that aren’t fenced.

Which to choose for a first trip to Asia in the summer: Indonesia or Thailand?

Attila · 2025-08-16 · Message 56 of 91

Adventurous isn’t really the word that comes to mind for Flores.

Less touristy.

Indonesia or Thailand for a first summer trip to Asia: which to choose?

Songsam · 2025-08-16 · Message 57 of 91

Do you have any professional interest in answering questions on this blog, or is it purely volunteer work that lets you share your passion?

Your question is kind of offensive. No, I don’t have any professional, financial, or monetary interest—direct or indirect. Just the desire to share my experience, with answers or suggestions that are always well-reasoned, otherwise there’s no point in writing them. That’s why my replies can sometimes be a bit long-winded.

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

Jojoone1 · 2025-08-16 · Message 58 of 91

You're so knowledgeable about so many regions that we think you're a pro. Rarely seen such a nice compliment! 😎

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

DomBegga · 2025-08-16 · Message 59 of 91

I was thinking the same thing...

What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?

Jojoone1 · 2025-08-16 · Message 60 of 91

I was thinking the same thing...

Well, I’m competing with Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize 😉

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