What to choose for a first summer trip to Asia: Indonesia or Thailand?
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DO
Hi there,

I’m planning my first trip to Asia next summer with my partner and our daughter, who’ll be 3 and a half at the time, for 4 weeks (maybe 5).

I’ve heard that the timing is better for visiting Indonesia, but I’m hesitant because Thailand seems more accessible, and I’m worried that traveling to Indonesia during high season might be less enjoyable and a lot more expensive due to the number of tourists. We love cultural sites as much as natural ones, and we’re big foodies. We’re not necessarily looking for luxury and tend to take our time, travel by public transport, and look for accommodations with a good value for money—though we do occasionally splurge on a high-end restaurant.

I’m also wondering when and where to buy flight tickets and how comfortable the journey will be (especially for our daughter) if we fly with Thai Airways or Garuda.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and tips!

Damien
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Hi there,

This long discussion is for you: https://voyageforum.com/forum/quelle-destination-privilegier-en-ete-en-asie-sud-est-d10699455/

Both Indonesia and Thailand are very budget-friendly destinations. Unless you spend most of your trip at the beach, you won’t feel much of a financial difference between high and low season.

In July and August in Thailand, you’ll get rain fairly often, but it’s rarely a real problem. Sometimes the sun disappears for a whole day, but it never rains all the time. That said, during these months, you should avoid jungle trekking and visits to national parks (some are even closed during this season). If you’re heading to the beach, make sure to pick your region carefully.

Garuda and Thai Airways are both solid airlines, so your daughter should be fine. Within the EU, Garuda only flies to Amsterdam. There aren’t any hard rules about the best time to buy tickets. Some people book almost a year in advance, while I’ve rarely bought mine more than 15 days before departure (sometimes just 3-4 days ahead) and still found better deals—but don’t follow my example. Find a happy medium between booking very early and very last-minute. And of course, consider whether it’s high or low season. Before looking for a ticket, start by clearing all cookies from your computer. Also, you’ll have a much better chance of finding better fares if you search between midnight and 4 AM (yes, in the morning...) from Monday to Thursday.
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Thailand is in the Northern Hemisphere. Summer (boreal) is the rainy season. Depending on the region you visit, the rains can be more or less heavy. Indonesia is in the Southern Hemisphere. For most islands (especially the most visited ones), it's the dry season, so it's the best time to go. Overall, even though you can still visit Thailand in summer, Indonesia is the better choice.

PS: If you're unsure about the climate of a destination or want more details, check out this site: Here’s Bali as an example. https://www.ou-et-quand.net/partir/quand/asie-sud-est/bali/
AR Aroythai Globetrotter ·
Hi there, For a first trip to Asia, Thailand is generally recommended—it’s a classic destination. If that works for you, on a future trip you might explore another spot in Asia—there’s plenty of choice!
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
If you want to visit the world’s most populous Muslim country, you’ve gotta head to Indonesia.
AR Aroythai Globetrotter ·
If you want to visit the most populous Muslim country in the world, you’ve got to go to Indonesia.

Hi there, You have a rather particular way of responding to the information requested by forum members—who were simply asking for a choice between two Asian countries. I know both countries very well: Thailand – 47 times. As for Indonesia, I’ve done two trips there and have always been fascinated by the country. The population is always welcoming at every level, even with an 80% Muslim majority.
JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
But why not? It could be a tourist draw, don’t you think? Plus, orangutans are only found in Indonesia. You never know—it might come in handy, as long as they still exist.

I always say you should start with Thailand because it’s the most practical and easiest. But hey, that’s just my take—everyone experiences things differently.
EN Envallis Globetrotter ·
Hi

For a first trip to Southeast Asia, Thailand is a great choice. It's accessible, easy to navigate, and offers just the right amount of culture shock (though you’ll find more authenticity elsewhere—you’ll discover that on your future trips ;))

As for the season, a little rain isn’t a big deal in this part of the world. Just know that the weather is humid, you’ll sweat *a lot*, and you’ve gotta be prepared for it :P
MA Maxime742 ·
Hey Damien, For summer (I’m thinking July/August), it’s true that Indonesia is in the middle of the dry season, so weather-wise, it’s great. In Thailand, it’s the rainy season, but that doesn’t mean it’s unbearable. It can rain heavily but often in the late afternoon, and it’s not every day either. Indonesia (Bali, Java, Lombok...) is magical, but in high season, it can get really crowded, especially in Bali. So yes, prices go up, and some places lose a bit of their charm because of the crowds. That said, you can still make it work if you go off the beaten path (avoid central Ubud or Canggu in the middle of summer, for example). Or you could just skip Bali and go somewhere else. Thailand is easier to organize—travel is simpler, the food is incredible, and people love kids. Bangkok – Chiang Mai – a few islands (Koh Samui or Koh Phangan on the east side, which are a bit drier in summer) can make a great mix of culture, nature, and beach. And it’s often cheaper, even for comfortable lodging. For flights, Thai Airways and Garuda are both solid airlines, known for their comfort and service, especially with a child. If you can get a direct flight or one with few layovers, it makes a huge difference with a little one. Try to book around November-December for the following summer—that’s when you’ll often find the best prices. Anyway, for a first trip to Asia with a young child, I’d say Thailand is the “easier” choice and still culturally super rich.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
That can be a tourist argument,

In another forum, we had the example of an 18-year-old Muslim guy who came to plan a one-month itinerary from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, mainly to meet Muslims from different backgrounds and visit mosques. In his trip report posted after his return, he mentioned being thrilled with his trip.

there are orangutans only in Indonesia.

They can also be found in the other Muslim country, Malaysia, visible in three places in northern Borneo: one near Sandakan and two near Kuching.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

As mentioned earlier, the weather is significantly better in Indonesia.

In terms of ease, both countries are pretty much equal in their most touristy areas. Thailand is more affordable than Indonesia for off-the-beaten-path spots. Thailand is doable with a rental car, which is much trickier in Indonesia.

When it comes to food, I definitely prefer Thailand—even more so if you add the "apéro" (pre-dinner drinks) factor.

For cultural sites, variety, and wildlife, I prefer Indonesia.

Price-wise, Indonesia was slightly cheaper than Thailand.

In terms of tourist crowds, the hotspots are about the same.

For hospitality, I find Thailand friendlier.

Weeks to absolutely avoid: Chinese New Year in Thailand, and Idul Fitri in Indonesia. Idul Fitri can fall in summer since it follows the Islamic calendar.

From a religious perspective, atheists and free spirits tend to feel more comfortable in Thailand. As in many Muslim-majority countries, some conservatism has taken hold in parts of Indonesia, and you can feel it. I also find the Muslim-majority areas of Thailand more austere than the rest of the country—same vibe as in Malaysia.

But Indonesia isn’t a one-religion country: Bali, Flores, and the Toraja region (for example) aren’t majority Muslim.

That’s all for now!
KO Kozlow67 ·
Hello, I’d recommend Indonesia for its climate and diversity (Indonesia is a very tolerant Muslim country where all religions are represented, and the Toraja region, for example in the Celebes Islands "Sulawesi," is predominantly Catholic... We spent a month on this island: the Toraja region is truly astonishing, with extraordinary houses and unbelievable funerals where tourists are welcome!!!). And as the best is always saved for last, there are no tourist buses and the kindness of the people is beyond real—so much so that, for the first time, we’re returning to Indonesia this September... We’ve visited Vietnam, Malaysia, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia... and while the people everywhere are nice, I found Indonesia even better. Thailand is closer to Europe, and for young travelers, there’s much more nightlife, bars, and evening entertainment... (In Bangkok, you might feel a bit like you’re in Paris), which helps avoid culture shock for a first experience. The change of scenery felt more pronounced in Indonesia... but I’m 75 years old, and we stay a month in each country! It’s all a matter of taste, but it rains more in Thailand. Best regards,
SO Songsam Veteran ·
When will you give any sign of life? Hope you haven't fallen ill since yesterday... 😎

Back to the weather aspect, the advantage of the rainy season is that during this period, you often come across lighting like this, which photographers usually appreciate much more than the harsh light of the dry season.

Around 2 PM inside a temple in Phetchaburi just before a June storm:

DO DomBegga ·
Hello everyone,

Thank you for the generosity of sharing your experiences.

I’ve been devouring your posts while starting to read a Lonely Planet guide on Indonesia. I’m still hesitating, as I mentioned, but traveling during the dry season seems easier at first glance, given my daughter’s age (2 ½ years old; I hope she doesn’t catch dengue or malaria...).

Thai cuisine is calling to my taste buds, and the ease of getting around the country, along with the more "liberal" customs, could sway my choice. However, with a little one in tow, there’s no question of diving into "excess"... We traveled to Morocco last October, and it was our first visit to a Muslim country: the austerity didn’t bother us. On the contrary, there was a very "first communion" vibe—good-natured and kind toward us. We went without alcohol for 10 days, and it didn’t hurt us at all.

The fact that people are recommending Indonesia for wildlife, cultural visits, and nature confirms my leaning toward that country. Based on your comments, I’m thinking of avoiding Bali and Lombok and maybe focusing on Java, Sumatra, and Nusa Tenggara (?). After all, it’s not always by following the well-trodden paths and visiting the must-see spots that you have the best experiences.

Since I don’t have the chance to travel for such a long time at other times of the year, I’ll probably visit Thailand during the monsoon season when my daughter is a bit older.

Keep sharing your thoughts on this—I find that subjective impressions often teach us the most.

Damien

PS: I’ve never tried buying tickets at night, but I’ll give it a shot. That said, having a child sometimes makes it impossible to book the cheapest flights (which often have the least convenient schedules...). That’s where I’ll likely spend half my budget, right?
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hi there, I think it’s a shame to skip Bali. It’s the only Hindu island in Indonesia—very green and lively, less "austere" than its neighbors—with the chance to attend many religious festivals and various shows, see beautiful temples, stroll through rice fields, and enjoy stunning landscapes. It also offers more varied food than elsewhere. That said, try to get away from the spots packed with tourists, like the beaches in the south (Kuta, Legian, etc.) and Ubud in the center. You can also visit the nearby small islands like Nusa Lembongan and Nusa Penida.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Morocco is a Muslim country, sure, but its people aren’t austere. And finding alcohol in Morocco is really easy—it’s even sold in supermarkets in cities where, supposedly, all the locals are Muslim and barely see any tourists...

That’s nothing like the vibe you’ll find in Malaysia, southern Thailand, or parts of Indonesia. It’s hard to explain. Kind of a race to be *more* Muslim than Muslim. A vicious spiral that leads to rejecting your roots, especially in Java (clothing, etc.). Even Indonesians themselves complain about this "race to the shallot" imported from Arabia.

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Java is also very busy, but it’s where you’ll find the most stunning temples. It’s also a very densely populated island. Between Sumatra and Flores, I’d pick Flores without hesitation. I loved this island (volcanoes, landscapes, culture, beaches).

When it comes to flight tickets, it’s essential to plan the broad strokes of your trip before booking. That way, you can buy an open-jaw ticket and avoid unnecessary domestic flights—especially with a very young child. To save on airfare, it might be worth booking a round-trip to Bangkok, Singapore, or Kuala Lumpur, then separate tickets to reach Indonesia. Just remember: separate tickets mean longer layovers, especially on the way back, so you don’t miss flights due to delays or cancellations. (If you miss a flight on the way back, you lose the long-haul leg; on the way out, it’s just a short flight...) Ending with 2 nights in Bangkok or Singapore could be a nice way to wrap up the trip! Flights will definitely eat up a big chunk of the budget...
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Thai (...) the ease of getting around the country and the more "liberal" customs might influence my choice.

It’s also very easy to get around Java using public transport. Once you leave the island, things get a little trickier, but nothing insurmountable. It only becomes really quite complicated on remote islands.

Of course, in Thailand, you can drink alcohol almost as much as you want, eat moo namtok to your heart’s content, and you don’t have to pick your accommodation based on how far it is from the muezzin if you like a full night’s sleep. But customs aren’t any more "liberal" there than in Indonesia—quite the opposite in many ways. That said, you won’t suffer from it in either country, to the point that, in my opinion, this shouldn’t be a deciding factor in choosing one over the other.

maybe focus on Java, Sumatra, and Nusa Tenggara (?).

All three are worth visiting, but there’s no way you could see all three in just 5 weeks (unless you rent a helicopter for the whole trip—count on $1,500 per hour, with empty return legs billed extra). Realistically, without rushing too much, you could spend about 2 months in Sumatra, 6 weeks in Java, and 10 weeks exploring the Lesser Sunda Islands (Nusa Tenggara). In short, trying to visit more than 2 islands in 5 weeks would be completely unreasonable. In Thailand, you could easily spend 2 months without rushing, or even longer if you include beach time. In 5 weeks, you’d have enough time to do something really great both on and off the tourist trail.

I’m thinking of avoiding Bali and Lombok and maybe focusing on Java, Sumatra, and Nusa Tenggara (?).

If you want to avoid Bali and Lombok, here are the direct flights from Java to the Lesser Sunda Islands (not all are daily): Jakarta-Kupang Surabaya-Kupang Surabaya-Tembolaka Jakarta-Labuhan Bajo Surabaya-Labuhan Bajo That’s it. No direct flights from Sumatra to the Lesser Sunda Islands.

I’ve never tried buying tickets at night, but I’ll give it a shot. That said, having a child sometimes makes it impossible to book the cheapest flights (which often have the least convenient schedules...).

The flights offered at night are the same as those during the day. Just make sure to clear your cookies between search sessions, or the price of a flight will never drop.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
That said, you won’t suffer in either of the two countries—so much so that, in my opinion, this shouldn’t be a deciding factor for one over the other.

Banda Aceh enforces Sharia law...

but customs there certainly aren’t more "liberal" than in Indonesia; in fact, it’s the opposite in many ways.

Possible, but the traveler is just passing through. What matters is the overall impression.

I don’t get a sense of sadness when I look at Thais (except in the south) or Moroccans. I can feel it in Indonesia.
SO Songsam Veteran ·
Bali. It's the only Hindu island in Indonesia,

That’s what I was told when I arrived in Bedugul, confidently picking a losmen at random upon arrival... But by the first night, I’d learned the hard way that this town has a mosque (possibly the only one on the island 😡) right next door. And on top of that, it was Nyepi, so I was stuck there for 2 days!...
DO DomBegga ·
More closely monitored customs in Thailand? I'm curious...

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