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Motel or RV in the American West?
Hey everyone,
we’re heading to the American West for 21 days in August.
Two options for us:
renting a regular car and staying in motels, or going with an RV.
We’ve traveled a lot in Southern Africa on our own with a 4x4 roof-top tent, but the US is a whole different story.
I’d love to hear your thoughts—budget-wise, we’re probably looking at similar costs.
Thanks for your input!
Thierry
Renting a car in the USA and driver's civil liability.
Hi everyone.
I’ve been wondering: Is it still reasonable to rent a car in the U.S.?
Apparently, since early January 2025—and very quietly—the most important insurance coverage, namely the driver’s civil liability, has seen its coverage amount drop from $1 million to just $300,000. This coverage is supposed to protect us from damages we might be responsible for while driving. We can go decades without a single scrape (especially if it’s our fault), but anything can happen in a split second. A motorcycle appearing out of nowhere, a misjudgment at one of those huge intersections with staggered traffic lights, and suddenly we could be deemed at fault for the accident. We’d then have to pay out of pocket for the other party’s medical expenses. Given what hospitals charge... it can easily exceed $300,000 and turn into a nightmare in no time!!! Plus, anyone who’s driven on American roads has seen those billboards for lawyers offering their services to accident victims. So on top of the sky-high medical bill, the lawyer will demand compensation worthy of a Hollywood movie!!!! So, is it even worth getting behind the wheel in America anymore? Well... that’s just my take! And on top of that, I haven’t found any insurance company that offers such high civil liability coverage. Chapka and others do offer coverage in the millions, but motor vehicles are excluded.... So here’s the thing... Unless I’ve "missed something," I’ve come to this conclusion: Renting a car in the U.S. is like playing Russian roulette! But maybe I’m being too pessimistic? What do you think?
I’ve been wondering: Is it still reasonable to rent a car in the U.S.?
Apparently, since early January 2025—and very quietly—the most important insurance coverage, namely the driver’s civil liability, has seen its coverage amount drop from $1 million to just $300,000. This coverage is supposed to protect us from damages we might be responsible for while driving. We can go decades without a single scrape (especially if it’s our fault), but anything can happen in a split second. A motorcycle appearing out of nowhere, a misjudgment at one of those huge intersections with staggered traffic lights, and suddenly we could be deemed at fault for the accident. We’d then have to pay out of pocket for the other party’s medical expenses. Given what hospitals charge... it can easily exceed $300,000 and turn into a nightmare in no time!!! Plus, anyone who’s driven on American roads has seen those billboards for lawyers offering their services to accident victims. So on top of the sky-high medical bill, the lawyer will demand compensation worthy of a Hollywood movie!!!! So, is it even worth getting behind the wheel in America anymore? Well... that’s just my take! And on top of that, I haven’t found any insurance company that offers such high civil liability coverage. Chapka and others do offer coverage in the millions, but motor vehicles are excluded.... So here’s the thing... Unless I’ve "missed something," I’ve come to this conclusion: Renting a car in the U.S. is like playing Russian roulette! But maybe I’m being too pessimistic? What do you think?
Urgent problem: no internet extension in the USA
This is a nightmare!
Auchan Telecom’s internet extension isn’t working… so no Google Maps! Big problem in the middle of nowhere yesterday, and we drove in circles for ages trying to find the hotel in Bakersfield. And today we’re heading to L.A.
What’s a quick and cheap solution?
Cécile from the Salton Sea to Alcatraz
And off we go again for what’s certainly our last trip to the American West... After the disaster of September 2022, the diabetes flare-up, and the pulmonary embolism, we’re spending ten days in the spots we missed and some unlikely places.
After flying over Scotland, still English,
Greenland, still Danish,

And Lake Huron, still half Canadian,
We land early in Detroit... a nightmare of an airport. A long, dreadful baggage check process, but we still make it to gate A10 just in the nick of time—only for disaster to strike!
My passport has my first and last name, my boarding pass has my first and last name, BUT not on Delta’s computer—so we’re denied boarding!
We head to the Air France-Delta-KLM desk, where an employee listens to us sympathetically. He books us two seats on an 8:30 AM flight to SF...
Then passes us off to two colleagues who offer us a night in a hotel... and send a message to the baggage service to keep our checked luggage safe...
In the end, we go to bed earlier, wake up earlier, but since we’ll still get some sleep on the plane, we might be able to look back on this whole mess with a smile... well, we hope so, anyway.
10:17 PM in Detroit—time to sleep. Our clean clothes and toiletries are in the plane.
We’ll bounce back!!;
Greenland, still Danish,
And Lake Huron, still half Canadian,
We land early in Detroit... a nightmare of an airport. A long, dreadful baggage check process, but we still make it to gate A10 just in the nick of time—only for disaster to strike!
My passport has my first and last name, my boarding pass has my first and last name, BUT not on Delta’s computer—so we’re denied boarding!
We head to the Air France-Delta-KLM desk, where an employee listens to us sympathetically. He books us two seats on an 8:30 AM flight to SF...
Then passes us off to two colleagues who offer us a night in a hotel... and send a message to the baggage service to keep our checked luggage safe...
In the end, we go to bed earlier, wake up earlier, but since we’ll still get some sleep on the plane, we might be able to look back on this whole mess with a smile... well, we hope so, anyway.
10:17 PM in Detroit—time to sleep. Our clean clothes and toiletries are in the plane.
We’ll bounce back!!;Insurance for a 6-month RV road trip
Hi everyone,
We’d like some info on insurance for our RV—it’s a 2024 heavy vehicle, and we’re having trouble finding coverage for a 6-month trip through Canada, Alaska, and the USA. If anyone knows an insurance company that offers this kind of policy, please share the details with us.
We’d like some info on insurance for our RV—it’s a 2024 heavy vehicle, and we’re having trouble finding coverage for a 6-month trip through Canada, Alaska, and the USA. If anyone knows an insurance company that offers this kind of policy, please share the details with us.
The great American West in 23 days
Hi there,
I’m right in the middle of planning a trip to the American West—23 days from 07/30 to 08/23.
Departure from Orly to Los Angeles with a layover in San Francisco, and return from Los Angeles to Orly.
Day 1: Orly - San Francisco (1 night)
Day 2 & 3: Los Angeles (2 nights)
Day 4, 5 & 6: San Francisco (3 nights)
Day 7: Lake Tahoe (1 night)
Day 8 & 9: Portland (2 nights)
Day 10, 11 & 12: Seattle (3 nights)
Day 13 & 14: Yellowstone (2 nights)
Day 15 & 16: Salt Lake City (2 nights)
Day 17 & 18: Las Vegas (2 nights)
Day 19 & 20: Grand Canyon (2 nights)
Day 21 & 22: Los Angeles (2 nights)
Day 23: Return flight (1 night in the air)
The flight’s already booked: 2250 € for 3 people. Car’s reserved—just finalized the last booking today: a Rav4 for 23 days from Sixt in Santa Monica, 715 € (all insurance included). Hotels are booked with free cancellation since I keep finding better options, and the itinerary isn’t 100% set yet.
The flight’s already booked: 2250 € for 3 people. Car’s reserved—just finalized the last booking today: a Rav4 for 23 days from Sixt in Santa Monica, 715 € (all insurance included). Hotels are booked with free cancellation since I keep finding better options, and the itinerary isn’t 100% set yet.
Is there a deductible for basic car rental with Alamo in the USA?
Hello,
we rented a car with Alamo that we’ll pick up in Las Vegas.
However, for the basic rental, it’s not clear whether there’s a deductible in case of damage...
For the included CDW, they just state this, and it doesn’t help much if the basic CDW includes a zero deductible:
Thanks if you’ve had any feedback or clarifications that could help me.
The Damage Waiver (DW) is not insurance. Purchasing the DW is optional and not required to rent a vehicle. You may also purchase optional DW for an additional fee. If you purchase DW, we agree, subject to the actions listed in the rental agreement that void the DW, to contractually release you from all or part of the costs resulting from damage, loss, or theft of the vehicle. The Loss Damage Waiver (LDW) is not valid for damages occurring in Mexico. Before deciding whether to purchase LDW, it is recommended that you consult your insurer or a representative of your credit card company to determine if, in the event of damage or theft of the vehicle, you are protected against costs arising from such incidents and if you benefit from a deductible waiver. For rentals in California, the cost of collision damage waiver (CDW) ranges from $16.99 to $500.00 per day depending on the type of vehicle rented."
The Damage Waiver (DW) is not insurance. Purchasing the DW is optional and not required to rent a vehicle. You may also purchase optional DW for an additional fee. If you purchase DW, we agree, subject to the actions listed in the rental agreement that void the DW, to contractually release you from all or part of the costs resulting from damage, loss, or theft of the vehicle. The Loss Damage Waiver (LDW) is not valid for damages occurring in Mexico. Before deciding whether to purchase LDW, it is recommended that you consult your insurer or a representative of your credit card company to determine if, in the event of damage or theft of the vehicle, you are protected against costs arising from such incidents and if you benefit from a deductible waiver. For rentals in California, the cost of collision damage waiver (CDW) ranges from $16.99 to $500.00 per day depending on the type of vehicle rented."
Which health insurance should I choose for a trip to the USA?
Hi everyone.
After years of traveling to the USA without any medical insurance subscriptions—and luckily never having any major health issues (though I did get a scorpion sting buried in the sand at CBSouth, 😇)—life has caught up with us, and we’re now being forced into "wisdom" and leaving our carefree days behind.
So, I’m looking for the best compromise for a 2-month health insurance plan. I’ve read the discussions on this topic, but the most recent one is from last year, and I’d love your take on the current situation. I’m familiar with the usual options like Europ Assistance and AXA, but I’ve just discovered Chapka and Heymondo (the latter seems interesting in terms of both price and coverage).
What do you think of these last two? How do they compare in terms of value for money against the bigger companies?
Thanks in advance, everyone.
So, I’m looking for the best compromise for a 2-month health insurance plan. I’ve read the discussions on this topic, but the most recent one is from last year, and I’d love your take on the current situation. I’m familiar with the usual options like Europ Assistance and AXA, but I’ve just discovered Chapka and Heymondo (the latter seems interesting in terms of both price and coverage).
What do you think of these last two? How do they compare in terms of value for money against the bigger companies?
Thanks in advance, everyone.
Drinking water and cash in the United States
Hi there,
- Is tap water safe to drink everywhere in the U.S., or do you prefer bottled water?
- How do you handle money?
★ Is cash preferred and more commonly used than card payments?
★ For ATM withdrawals, what are the fees? I’ve read that bank ATMs have lower fees than those in some stores—is that true?
★ Is the cashback trick used in the U.S. (e.g., for a $100 purchase, you pay $150, and the cashier gives you $50 in cash)?
Thanks in advance to U.S. experts for your tips!
Entry Requirements for the United States
Hi there,
I’m not sure what’s being said on the various European diplomatic sites, but on the Belgian one, they mention that an ESTA and/or visa aren’t a guarantee of entry. Immigration services have the final say—they could even ask to see your electronic devices like phones, tablets, or cameras. And there might be extra hassles for LGBTQIA+ travelers.
I’m not sure what’s being said on the various European diplomatic sites, but on the Belgian one, they mention that an ESTA and/or visa aren’t a guarantee of entry. Immigration services have the final say—they could even ask to see your electronic devices like phones, tablets, or cameras. And there might be extra hassles for LGBTQIA+ travelers.
Combining Temples of the Sun/Moon, Bentonite Hills, Factory Butte, and Moonscape Overlook
Hi there,
I’d planned to visit Cathedral Valley, Goblin Valley, the Burr Trail/Northom loop, Factory Butte, and Moonscape Overlook, as well as the Capitol Reef scenic route over three days. The scenic Highway 12 would be for the following days.
Since I rented an AWD SUV, I was planning to contact an outfitter for Cathedral Valley, but they suggested that instead of doing Cathedral Valley with them and the rest solo, they could take me to the four most relevant sites mentioned in the title. Their plan is to start at sunrise at either Temples of the Sun/Moon or Moonscape Overlook and then hit the other three afterward. What do you think? Thanks! Louis
Since I rented an AWD SUV, I was planning to contact an outfitter for Cathedral Valley, but they suggested that instead of doing Cathedral Valley with them and the rest solo, they could take me to the four most relevant sites mentioned in the title. Their plan is to start at sunrise at either Temples of the Sun/Moon or Moonscape Overlook and then hit the other three afterward. What do you think? Thanks! Louis
California summer road trip itinerary with kids: your recommendations
Hi there,
We’re heading to California at the end of July for a road trip with our two kids, aged 7 and 9.
Here’s our planned two-week itinerary:
Los Angeles - San Diego - Palm Springs - Yosemite - Carmel and Big Sur - Santa Barbara - Los Angeles.
We don’t want to go to San Francisco.
Does this itinerary sound good to you?
Any recommendations for accommodations, especially in Yosemite and Carmel?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Thanks in advance for your help.
US visa for a work assignment as a foreign employee
Hi everyone,
I hope you're all doing well! I really need your help.
As part of my job here in France (I'm a foreign employee), I have to go to the US in about a month for a one-week assignment. I’ll need a visa, but I don’t know if there’s an express visa option for this? It’s stressing me out, and I don’t know where to start looking for info.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
I hope you're all doing well! I really need your help.
As part of my job here in France (I'm a foreign employee), I have to go to the US in about a month for a one-week assignment. I’ll need a visa, but I don’t know if there’s an express visa option for this? It’s stressing me out, and I don’t know where to start looking for info.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Outfitter for Little Finland in Nevada
Hi,
Is there, to your knowledge, an outfitter or several outfitters that include a visit to Little Finland in Nevada in their offerings? If so, have you had any experience with them and do you have their contact details?
Thanks in advance!
Return to "The Wave" (Coyote Buttes North Advanced Lottery): access trail questions
Hi there,
I just got the "congratulations" email last night letting me know that our first-choice access to The Wave for June 16, 2025, was approved in the March 1st lottery draw! We thought we’d missed out since we hadn’t heard anything on the 1st or 2nd of March...
It’s true that for the past two years, it’s no longer 10 and 10 people like before, but 48 and 16 who are allowed to enter the site through the two lottery processes. That helps balance out the surge in applications that must come with the place’s growing global fame...
I haven’t found any info on this, but does anyone know how many applications are typically submitted each month per date for the Advanced Lottery?
So, my somewhat lucky track record for 3 attempts: 2 successes for April 2009 and June 2025, and one miss for September 2011. We’re still a little nervous about the likely high temperatures, with hardly any shade or water on-site 😛. At Easter 2009, it had snowed a bit the day before...
From what I remember, the access trail from Route 89 to Wire Pass Trailhead was doable without a 4x4, with a bit of ground clearance and careful driving (obviously no storms). A simple Toyota RAV4, like the one we’re planning to rent, should be fine in dry conditions?
We’ll be heading there from Page on the morning of 06/16 (how long’s the drive?), then heading to Kanab for 3 nights in the evening.
Thanks for any tips you might have! 😉
Renting an off-road SUV or AWD Jeep in Salt Lake City
Hi there,
I’m looking to find a company at Salt Lake City airport that rents vehicles for gravel roads: Burr Trail, Cottonwood Canyon, etc.
Thanks
Renting a vehicle in Los Angeles: book the GPS option in advance or not?
Hello,
After much hesitation about the direction, we finally bought our flight tickets (we splurged on Premium): it’ll be a 15-day road trip starting from Los Angeles in June 2025. We want to do our "farewell tour" by saying goodbye one last time to the landscapes of the "Grand Circle" that amazed and fascinated us during 4 trips between 2008 and 2012.
Practical question for choosing a vehicle (possibly a Toyota RAV4 from Alamo): should we opt for the GPS supplement (over 200 € for 15 days; they only "gift" the second driver)?
In our previous trips, we didn’t have one, and we don’t really remember struggling in L.A., San Francisco, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, or Denver. It would mainly be useful for driving through Los Angeles at the start and end of the trip, but not really elsewhere...
On the other hand, I’m thinking that there must be few vehicles without GPS in service in the U.S. these days, and maybe an upgrade at pickup isn’t out of the question (?). If that doesn’t happen and we have last-minute regrets, can we change our minds and take the option without being too financially penalized compared to booking in advance?
That’s the (very 😉) little dilemma of the moment. Thanks for your insights and advice!
Des voyages après les annulations?
Bonjour à tous !
Pour faire suite au message fermé ( nos-experiences-demandes-remboursements-suite-annulation-cause-covid-19 ) car trop 'gonflé' : plus de 1200 réponses ! , j'ouvre un nouveau sujet, qui est la suite logique du précédent !
Après les annulations - demandes de remboursements abouties ou non cette année, suite au Covid, j'aimerais que vous nous racontiez la suite de l'histoire :
- Qu'est - il advenu de vos projets de vacances ? - Avez- vous persévéré et obtenu un remboursement ou un report ? - Faites- vous de nouveaux projets ou avez vous déjà pu tenter, avec réussite, un autre voyage ?
Pour démarrer le sujet, voici ce que nous avons prévu : -- les 2 voyages ( USA et Yucatan ) qui étaient prêts seraient reportés à 1 an, peut-être à 2 : c'est de l'optimisme ... -- le voyage de mai, 3 semaines dans les Pouilles : quasi complètement remboursé ; peut-être reporté au printemps : il est fin prêt aussi ! -- cette année, vacances de 6 nuits à la belge : 3 jours à la Côte et 3 jours dans les Ardennes ; un peu court mais une météo plus qu'agréable ; belle bouffée d'air ... J'espère que vous avez mieux à nous raconter !
Bonne journée à tous .
Après les annulations - demandes de remboursements abouties ou non cette année, suite au Covid, j'aimerais que vous nous racontiez la suite de l'histoire :
- Qu'est - il advenu de vos projets de vacances ? - Avez- vous persévéré et obtenu un remboursement ou un report ? - Faites- vous de nouveaux projets ou avez vous déjà pu tenter, avec réussite, un autre voyage ?
Pour démarrer le sujet, voici ce que nous avons prévu : -- les 2 voyages ( USA et Yucatan ) qui étaient prêts seraient reportés à 1 an, peut-être à 2 : c'est de l'optimisme ... -- le voyage de mai, 3 semaines dans les Pouilles : quasi complètement remboursé ; peut-être reporté au printemps : il est fin prêt aussi ! -- cette année, vacances de 6 nuits à la belge : 3 jours à la Côte et 3 jours dans les Ardennes ; un peu court mais une météo plus qu'agréable ; belle bouffée d'air ... J'espère que vous avez mieux à nous raconter !
Bonne journée à tous .
Louer une voiture avec tente de toit aux États-Unis
tout est dans le titre ...
est-il facile de louer une voiture , pas forcément 4*4 avec une tente de toit aus States pour réduire le cout logement en hotel et toujours pouvoir se caser dans les zones en tension ? (pour 2 !)
merci !
Rejoindre la HITRR à partir d'Alstrom Point par la Smoky Mountain Road
Hello à tous !
Comme les voyages de cette année n'ont pu avoir lieu et qu'ils vont, pour la plupart, être repoussés à l'année prochaine, on en profite pour étoffer et améliorer un peu l'itinéraire initialement prévu. Du coup, j'ai une question : Est-ce quelqu'un a déjà emprunté la Smoky Mountain Road pour rejoindre la Hole in the Rock Road ? Si oui, quel est l'état de la piste (j'aurai un Wrangler) sachant que Google Maps m'indique 3 heures à partir d'Alstrom Point ? Et enfin, y a-t-il des choses à y voir (après le Smoky Mountain Overlook) ?
Merci d'avance,











