On hésite aussi avec le parc Sajama ou les alentours de la Paz à la place du lac Titicaca par exemple. Et on se demande si le parc Amboro vaut l'Amazonie? Merci
15 jours en Bolivie: notre itinéraire
by Relilu
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour!
Une énième discussion sur un itinéraire.... Mais ça nous aiderait beaucoup si vous pouviez nous conseiller, notamment sur la faisabilité des trajets.
vendredi 8 mai 2015 Santa Cruz-arrivée à 2h
samedi 9 mai 2015 Sucre vol Santa Cruz-Sucre
dimanche 10 mai 2015 marché Tarabuco (près Sucre) ou rando - bus le soir Sucre Toposi
lundi 11 mai 2015 Potosi - bus Potosi Tupiza de nuit
mardi 12 mai 2015 Tupiza - excursion à cheval?
mercredi 13 mai 2015 Sud Lipez + Salar
jeudi 14 mai 2015 Sud Lipez + Salar
vendredi 15 mai 2015 Sud Lipez + Salar
samedi 16 mai 2015 Sud Lipez + Salar - train puis bus pour La Paz
dimanche 17 mai 2015 la paz - avion pour Rurrenabaque
lundi 18 mai 2015 amazonie
mardi 19 mai 2015 amazonie
mercredi 20 mai 2015 amazonie - avion pour la paz le soir
jeudi 21 mai 2015 La paz et trajet Lac Titicaca nuit copacabana
vendredi 22 mai 2015 isla del sol retour le soir ou lendemain la paz
samedi 23 mai 2015 la paz Santa Cruz - vol pour Santa Cruz
dimanche 24 mai 2015 Vol 13h50 de Santa Cruz
On hésite aussi avec le parc Sajama ou les alentours de la Paz à la place du lac Titicaca par exemple. Et on se demande si le parc Amboro vaut l'Amazonie? Merci
On hésite aussi avec le parc Sajama ou les alentours de la Paz à la place du lac Titicaca par exemple. Et on se demande si le parc Amboro vaut l'Amazonie? Merci
Bonjour.
Vous allez partir bientôt en Bolivie. À ce jour, aucun internaute n'a répondu (sur le Forum public) à votre demande d'avis. Personnellement, je pense que votre circuit (en boucle depuis Santa Cruz) est bien construit (avec une petite acclimatation à l'altitude durant 1 jour 1/2 à Sucre, ...). Mais, avec seulement 15 jours complets sur place, le timing s'avère très serré car votre programme est chargé, ambitieux. Sa réalisation complète suppose l'absence de tout contretemps (panne, grève, bloqueo, MAM, ...).
.... samedi 16 mai 2015 Sud Lipez + Salar - train puis bus pour La Paz dimanche 17 mai 2015 la paz - avion pour Rurrenabaque lundi 18 mai 2015 amazonie mardi 19 mai 2015 amazonie mercredi 20 mai 2015 amazonie - avion pour la paz le soir jeudi 21 mai 2015 La paz et trajet Lac Titicaca nuit copacabana vendredi 22 mai 2015 isla del sol retour le soir ou lendemain la paz samedi 23 mai 2015 la paz Santa Cruz - vol pour Santa Cruz....
Pour rejoindre La Paz depuis Uyuni, il serait préférable de prendre un bus de nuit (plutôt que le train de nuit jusqu'à Oruro puis un bus de jour jusqu'à La Paz) afin d'être dans les temps pour le vol à destination de Rurrenabaque. De plus, si votre retour par avion de l'Amazonie se faisait le matin, vous pourriez partir dès l'après-midi du 20 mai pour Copacabana. En tout cas, il vous manque un jour complet à La Paz. Vous ne prévoyez que d'y passer rapidement, entre 2 avions. C'est dommage. JLMA
.... samedi 16 mai 2015 Sud Lipez + Salar - train puis bus pour La Paz dimanche 17 mai 2015 la paz - avion pour Rurrenabaque lundi 18 mai 2015 amazonie mardi 19 mai 2015 amazonie mercredi 20 mai 2015 amazonie - avion pour la paz le soir jeudi 21 mai 2015 La paz et trajet Lac Titicaca nuit copacabana vendredi 22 mai 2015 isla del sol retour le soir ou lendemain la paz samedi 23 mai 2015 la paz Santa Cruz - vol pour Santa Cruz....
Pour rejoindre La Paz depuis Uyuni, il serait préférable de prendre un bus de nuit (plutôt que le train de nuit jusqu'à Oruro puis un bus de jour jusqu'à La Paz) afin d'être dans les temps pour le vol à destination de Rurrenabaque. De plus, si votre retour par avion de l'Amazonie se faisait le matin, vous pourriez partir dès l'après-midi du 20 mai pour Copacabana. En tout cas, il vous manque un jour complet à La Paz. Vous ne prévoyez que d'y passer rapidement, entre 2 avions. C'est dommage. JLMA
Bonjour
Merci d'avoir pris le temps de donner votre avis. Je n'avais pas eu de réponse jusqu'à présent mais les demandes d'avis sur des itinéraires ne manquent pas...!!!!
Votre suggestion de prendre le bus plutôt que le train me semble judicieuse: on arriverait plus tôt à la Paz c'est ça?
On avait opté pour le train pour une question de confort mais sinon j'ai lu que le bus Todo Turismo pouvait être confortable: vous connaissez?
Notre retour d'Amazonie se fera dans l'après-midi, il faut que je vérifie les horaires.
Au niveau des réservations, Est-ce nécessaire de les faire en avance: avion, bus, hôtel?
Merci
....j'ai lu que le bus Todo Turismo pouvait être confortable: vous connaissez?...
Je n'ai jamais utilisé les services de cette compagnie mais beaucoup de guides et forumeurs en parlent positivement (confort, repas à bord, ...). Le tarif figurant sur son site web est de 270 Bolivianos (environ 35 €uros). Le départ d'Uyuni est prévu à 20h pour une arrivée vers 7h du matin à La Paz. Il existe d'autres compagnies (Trans Omar, ...) qui font ce parcours mais elles seraient de moindre qualité.
....Notre retour d'Amazonie se fera dans l'après-midi...
C'est dommage car, en aller-retour depuis La Paz, une bonne visite de Copa + Isla del Sol exige au moins 2 nuits sur place (les 2 à Copa ou 1 à Copa + 1 nuit sur Isla).
....il faut que je vérifie les horaires...
Il y a des retours Amaszonas le matin, je crois. Mais, cela réduirait sans doute votre programme en Amazonie.
..Au niveau des réservations, Est-ce nécessaire de les faire en avance: avion, bus, hôtel?...
Il faut réserver de suite votre vol Sta Cruz-Sucre (avec Boa) ainsi que votre vol retour La Paz-Sta-Cruz (avec Boa, Amaszonas, ...). Vous pouvez peut-être attendre d'être sur place pour la résa de l'A-R La Paz-Rurrenabaque (avec Amaszonas) de même que le bus Uyuni-La Paz, mais je n'en suis pas certain. Pour les hôtels, en mai, vous aurez le choix, je pense. JLMA
Je n'ai jamais utilisé les services de cette compagnie mais beaucoup de guides et forumeurs en parlent positivement (confort, repas à bord, ...). Le tarif figurant sur son site web est de 270 Bolivianos (environ 35 €uros). Le départ d'Uyuni est prévu à 20h pour une arrivée vers 7h du matin à La Paz. Il existe d'autres compagnies (Trans Omar, ...) qui font ce parcours mais elles seraient de moindre qualité.
....Notre retour d'Amazonie se fera dans l'après-midi...
C'est dommage car, en aller-retour depuis La Paz, une bonne visite de Copa + Isla del Sol exige au moins 2 nuits sur place (les 2 à Copa ou 1 à Copa + 1 nuit sur Isla).
....il faut que je vérifie les horaires...
Il y a des retours Amaszonas le matin, je crois. Mais, cela réduirait sans doute votre programme en Amazonie.
..Au niveau des réservations, Est-ce nécessaire de les faire en avance: avion, bus, hôtel?...
Il faut réserver de suite votre vol Sta Cruz-Sucre (avec Boa) ainsi que votre vol retour La Paz-Sta-Cruz (avec Boa, Amaszonas, ...). Vous pouvez peut-être attendre d'être sur place pour la résa de l'A-R La Paz-Rurrenabaque (avec Amaszonas) de même que le bus Uyuni-La Paz, mais je n'en suis pas certain. Pour les hôtels, en mai, vous aurez le choix, je pense. JLMA
Bonjour Aurélie,
Un peu de géographie: la Bolivie, c'est près d'un million de km2, soit quasiment deux fois la superficie de la France. Je ne voudrais pas casser ton projet, mais c'est un peu comme si tu voulais en deux semaines, visiter la Bretagne, la Provence, l'Aquitaine et de là faire un tour à Madrid! Cela avec moyens de transports terrestres moins performants et sans compter les aléas que comporte un voyage dans ce pays: grèves, blocages de routes, vols annulés, etc.! Cela rallonge considérablement les distances-temps. Certes, tu utilises quatre fois des vols intérieurs, mais tu risques aussi, surtout si les vols ont du retard, de visiter... les aéroports!
L'aéroport d'entrée et de sortie du pays est à Santa Cruz, et pourtant tu négliges cette province très intéressante. Je pense que si tu veux bien profiter de ton voyage en Bolivie dans ce laps de temps très court, et ne pas en revenir déçue ou sur les rotules, il va te falloir faire des choix...
Bon voyage!
Un peu de géographie: la Bolivie, c'est près d'un million de km2, soit quasiment deux fois la superficie de la France. Je ne voudrais pas casser ton projet, mais c'est un peu comme si tu voulais en deux semaines, visiter la Bretagne, la Provence, l'Aquitaine et de là faire un tour à Madrid! Cela avec moyens de transports terrestres moins performants et sans compter les aléas que comporte un voyage dans ce pays: grèves, blocages de routes, vols annulés, etc.! Cela rallonge considérablement les distances-temps. Certes, tu utilises quatre fois des vols intérieurs, mais tu risques aussi, surtout si les vols ont du retard, de visiter... les aéroports!
L'aéroport d'entrée et de sortie du pays est à Santa Cruz, et pourtant tu négliges cette province très intéressante. Je pense que si tu veux bien profiter de ton voyage en Bolivie dans ce laps de temps très court, et ne pas en revenir déçue ou sur les rotules, il va te falloir faire des choix...
Bon voyage!
Bonjour Michant
Merci d'avoir pris le temps de répondre.
Oui on se rend bien compte que notre projet est ambitieux.
On a finalement enlevé l'arrêt à Potosi (on ne comptait pas visité les mines), on passe 1 jour de plus en Amazonie et on étudie une autre option à la place du lac Titicaca. On a en effet un peu peur d'en avoir mal des transports et La Paz Isla del Sol=4h de bus et 2h de bateau x2.
On regarde les visites qu'on pourrait faire sur la Paz ou alors retourner dès le vendredi 22 sur Santa Cruz pour aller au parc Amboro par exemple.
Si vous connaissez bien la Bolivie: pouvez-vous nous conseiller sur les vols internes: pouvons nous réserver quand on sera sur place sans voir les prix grimper. Ou Est-ce possible de modifier les vols?
Merci
Si vous connaissez bien la Bolivie: pouvez-vous nous conseiller sur les vols internes: pouvons nous réserver quand on sera sur place sans voir les prix grimper. Ou Est-ce possible de modifier les vols?
Merci
Bonjour Aurélie,
N'ayant pas utilisé de vol intérieur en Bolivie, je ne peux te conseiller sur ce point.
On regarde les visites qu'on pourrait faire sur la Paz ou alors retourner dès le vendredi 22 sur Santa Cruz pour aller au parc Amboro par exemple.
Excellente idée de prévoir au minimum une journée de sécurité à Santa Cruz avant de prendre de prendre le vol international, car en cas de retard, voire d'annulation du vol intérieur, pour raisons climatiques par exemple, tu risques de rater le vol de retour et en conséquence, de perdre ton billet. 🤪 Par ailleurs avec le le PN d'Amboro, les ruines préincas de Samaipata, la région de Santa Cruz ne manque pas d'intérêt. Quant à La Paz, cette métropole au site surprenant et unique au monde, mérite au moins une journée entière de visite. Voir ce que j'ai écrit sur cette ville: http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ocean-pacifique-lac-titicaca-d6819857-3/
On a finalement enlevé l'arrêt à Potosi (on ne comptait pas visité les mines), on passe 1 jour de plus en Amazonie et on étudie une autre option à la place du lac Titicaca.
C'est dommage de "zapper" Potosi, car il n'y a pas que les mines du Cerro Rico à voir (je suis d'accord sur leur intérêt limité de contempler l'enfer du labeur de ces mineurs), mais aussi des monuments coloniaux comme la Casa de la Moneda.
Quant au lac Titicaca et l'Isla del Sol ce fut un des sommets de notre dernier voyage en Amérique du Sud. Il faut y passer au moins deux nuits. Voir aussi cette page: http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ocean-pacifique-lac-titicaca-d6819857-4/ http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ocean-pacifique-lac-titicaca-d6819857-4/
Pour conclure, je pense comme Jlma, que ton programme est trop chargé et qu'il faudrait choisir entre l'Altiplano et l'Amazonie. Concernant cette dernière, il me semble que c'est un autre voyage et que cette courte escapade risque de compromettre ton voyage, d'autant que les vols sont très aléatoires dans cette région. Et puis les climats sont extrêmement contrastés entre le Sud Lipez froid et sec et le bassin amazonien très chaud et humide, ce qui sur cette brève période risque de mettre à mal l'organisme. Les jours ainsi dégagés pourraient donner plus de souplesse au reste du voyage. L'idée de partir de Santa Cruz, donc à basse altitude, puis d'effectuer un palier à Sucre est excellente, car cela permet une acclimatation progressive avant d'affronter les hautes altitudes de l'Altiplano.
Je te souhaite un beau voyage! 🙂
N'ayant pas utilisé de vol intérieur en Bolivie, je ne peux te conseiller sur ce point.
On regarde les visites qu'on pourrait faire sur la Paz ou alors retourner dès le vendredi 22 sur Santa Cruz pour aller au parc Amboro par exemple.
Excellente idée de prévoir au minimum une journée de sécurité à Santa Cruz avant de prendre de prendre le vol international, car en cas de retard, voire d'annulation du vol intérieur, pour raisons climatiques par exemple, tu risques de rater le vol de retour et en conséquence, de perdre ton billet. 🤪 Par ailleurs avec le le PN d'Amboro, les ruines préincas de Samaipata, la région de Santa Cruz ne manque pas d'intérêt. Quant à La Paz, cette métropole au site surprenant et unique au monde, mérite au moins une journée entière de visite. Voir ce que j'ai écrit sur cette ville: http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ocean-pacifique-lac-titicaca-d6819857-3/
On a finalement enlevé l'arrêt à Potosi (on ne comptait pas visité les mines), on passe 1 jour de plus en Amazonie et on étudie une autre option à la place du lac Titicaca.
C'est dommage de "zapper" Potosi, car il n'y a pas que les mines du Cerro Rico à voir (je suis d'accord sur leur intérêt limité de contempler l'enfer du labeur de ces mineurs), mais aussi des monuments coloniaux comme la Casa de la Moneda.
Quant au lac Titicaca et l'Isla del Sol ce fut un des sommets de notre dernier voyage en Amérique du Sud. Il faut y passer au moins deux nuits. Voir aussi cette page: http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ocean-pacifique-lac-titicaca-d6819857-4/ http://voyageforum.com/discussion/ocean-pacifique-lac-titicaca-d6819857-4/
Pour conclure, je pense comme Jlma, que ton programme est trop chargé et qu'il faudrait choisir entre l'Altiplano et l'Amazonie. Concernant cette dernière, il me semble que c'est un autre voyage et que cette courte escapade risque de compromettre ton voyage, d'autant que les vols sont très aléatoires dans cette région. Et puis les climats sont extrêmement contrastés entre le Sud Lipez froid et sec et le bassin amazonien très chaud et humide, ce qui sur cette brève période risque de mettre à mal l'organisme. Les jours ainsi dégagés pourraient donner plus de souplesse au reste du voyage. L'idée de partir de Santa Cruz, donc à basse altitude, puis d'effectuer un palier à Sucre est excellente, car cela permet une acclimatation progressive avant d'affronter les hautes altitudes de l'Altiplano.
Je te souhaite un beau voyage! 🙂
bonjour, je m'interesse à différents trajets que je vois sur le forum pour établir le mien. et comme toi, j'aimerais voir les hauts plateaux andins et l'amazonie... as-tu eu le temps de tout faire? pourrais-tu me donner ton parcours?
merci!
merci!
Bonjour!
Oui on a pu faire les 2! C'est un des meilleurs voyages que j'ai fait. C'est sûr que ça n'était pas reposant mais on en a bien profité. On a aussi eu de la chance car on a eu aucun problème de transport (à part 2 heures d'attente pour laisser passer une course de voitures!) alors qu'on avait lu que les routes étaient parfois bloquées . Notre itinéraire est celui de mon premier message excepté qu'on avait décidé de ne pas s'arrêter à Potosi mais de faire 1 jour de plus en Amazonie. Bons préparatifs!
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We’re heading to Buenos Aires for 3 days in November and would like to do a guided tour of a few neighborhoods. There are "free" tours, but none in French. Does anyone have a guide to recommend so we can really get to know the city beyond just the architecture?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello everyone!
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine