Aller à Nong Kwiau et Muang Ngoi si on ne randonne pas? (Laos)
by Gossipmam
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à tous nous partons en février pour une bonne semaine au Laos
Nous descendrons le Mékong en slow boat de Huay Xai à Luang Prabang.
Suite à une opération du pied nous ne pouvons pas faire de rando .Est il alors judicieux de prévoir Nong Kwiau et Muang Ngoi à notre itinéraire ?
Merci pour vos conseils
Bonjour à tous nous partons en février pour une bonne semaine au Laos
Nous descendrons le Mékong en slow boat de Huay Xai à Luang Prabang.
Suite à une opération du pied nous ne pouvons pas faire de rando .Est il alors judicieux de prévoir Nong Kwiau et Muang Ngoi à notre itinéraire ?
Merci pour vos conseils
Bonjour Gossipmam,
Bien que les paysages sur Nong Khiaw et Muang Ngoi soient splendides car belles montagnes rizières, petits villages reculés en mode " moyen-age " et points de vue incroyables, il n'en reste pas moins qu'il faut bien marcher-crapahuter pour pouvoir en bénéficier ! La liaison en bateau (1 h) entre les 2 villages est toutefois sympa à faire afin de découvrir la faune environnante. Dans votre cas, mieux vaut passer plusieurs jours sur LP afin de profiter de tous les petits secrets de cette ville. ( Ce "joyau " est relativement plat à parcourir dans tous les sens )
Bien cordialement
JAJA29
Bonjour Gossipmam,
Bien que les paysages sur Nong Khiaw et Muang Ngoi soient splendides car belles montagnes rizières, petits villages reculés en mode " moyen-age " et points de vue incroyables, il n'en reste pas moins qu'il faut bien marcher-crapahuter pour pouvoir en bénéficier ! La liaison en bateau (1 h) entre les 2 villages est toutefois sympa à faire afin de découvrir la faune environnante. Dans votre cas, mieux vaut passer plusieurs jours sur LP afin de profiter de tous les petits secrets de cette ville. ( Ce "joyau " est relativement plat à parcourir dans tous les sens )
Bien cordialement
JAJA29
Bonjour Marie-France
Biho a bien décrit le trajet entre Nong Khiaw et Muang Ngoi , 1h de magnifiques paysages . Si la première ville ne laisse pas un souvenir inoubliable , sans trop marcher vous pourrez la parcourir , profiter d'un bon massage , d'un diner en bord de rivière .Nous avons plus accroché avec Muang Ngoi , sa route non goudronnée traversant ce petit village , vous pourrez voir les villages alentours en faisant appel à des motos taxis si cela vous tente , ce village est moins envahi de touristes . Bien sûr vous pouvez rester pus longtemps à Luang Prabang mais à part les chutes de Kuang Si les autres excursions sont proches de la ville et se font à pied et en vélo , les grottes de Pak Ou et autres excursions typiques seront incluses dans le trajet Huay Xai - LP . Eric
Biho a bien décrit le trajet entre Nong Khiaw et Muang Ngoi , 1h de magnifiques paysages . Si la première ville ne laisse pas un souvenir inoubliable , sans trop marcher vous pourrez la parcourir , profiter d'un bon massage , d'un diner en bord de rivière .Nous avons plus accroché avec Muang Ngoi , sa route non goudronnée traversant ce petit village , vous pourrez voir les villages alentours en faisant appel à des motos taxis si cela vous tente , ce village est moins envahi de touristes . Bien sûr vous pouvez rester pus longtemps à Luang Prabang mais à part les chutes de Kuang Si les autres excursions sont proches de la ville et se font à pied et en vélo , les grottes de Pak Ou et autres excursions typiques seront incluses dans le trajet Huay Xai - LP . Eric
HENON Eric
Bonjour Gossipman
Je dirais " chaud " en 2 jours .... !!
Ci-dessous notre organisation sur place lorsque nous y étions :
2 Mars 2018
Ce jour nous prenons un mini van en direction de Nong Kiaw.
Pick up de notre guesthouse à 8h30 pour rejoindre la gare routière nord de Luang Prabang.
Chargement de nos sacs sur le toit du véhicule et départ 9 h pile poile pour 3 h de route vers notre prochaine destination. Nous traversons une multitude de villages sur une route infestée de nids de poules (quelques arrêts en cours de route à la mode asiatique...!! ) avec un chauffeur un peu " fangio ". Nous frôlons l'accident pour cause de camion arrivant en face et ayant perdu ses freins !!!
Arrivée 12 h sur Nong Khiaw sur ce qui fait office de gare routière puis, par l'intermédiaire d'un tuk-tuk, rejoignons notre guesthouse située au-delà du pont enjambant la rivière Nam Ou : MEEXAY GUESTHOUSE
Installation dans nos 2 chambres, repas dans l'un des nombreux restaurants alentours, repos puis petit tour de village pour repérer les lieux et réserver une journée excursion pour le lendemain. Pick-up vers gare routière nord de Luang Prabang = 5 000 k/p
Mini van Luang Prabang vers Nong Khiaw = 75 000 k/p
Pick-up vers notre guesthouse = 5 000 k/p
3 Mars 2018
Après une bonne nuit bien calme nous voilà au départ d'une journée d'excursion qui se découpera en 5 phases:
¾ h de bateau sur la Nam Ou
½ h dans un village
1 h de marche vers une cascade au travers de villages et des rizières
1 h de plouf et repas puis retour en bord de Nam Ou
2 h de kayak pour rejoindre Nong Khiaw
Journée avec Nong Khiaw Adventure = 180 000 k/p
incluant bateau, repas, boissons et kayak ( nous étions 7 dans le groupe )
4 Mars 2018
La nuit fut reposante mais au réveil les bras de toute la petite famille sont bien fatigués. Conséquence de notre kayak de la veille ! Cependant, ce matin et après un succulent petit déjeuner, nous engageons la fameuse montée vers le view point de Nong Khiaw.
1 heure 30 de grimpette pas facile-facile à certains endroits mais une fois tout en haut un 360° de toute beauté qui range bien vite la fatigue de la montée.
Repos salvateur durant 1/2 heures face aux paysages avant de faire le parcours inverse tout aussi éreintant … !! ( nous gagnons toutefois ¼ h par rapport à la montée).
Repas, repos puis achat des billets à l'embarcadère ( fermeture 16 h) afin de, le lendemain, rejoindre en bateau un village en amont : Muang Ngoi
Une fois fait, nous mettons à profit le restant de l'après midi pour faire à pied les trois bons kms pour rejoindre la grotte de Tham Pha Tok. Rien d'extraordinaire sur le lieu en lui-même si ce n'est l'utilité qu'en donne les guides touristiques ( 10 minutes de visite après un escalier bien raide ). Ne pas hésiter a faire le tour du pic au travers de la végétation pour trouver une autre entrée ( chemin non signalé ). Je pars seul le faire. Un petit boyau s'enfonce dans la grotte sur environ 200 m ( largeur d'une personne pas pour les claustrophobes !! ). On y découvre quelques niches ( avec panneaux indiquant leurs fonctions : bureau du notaire, banque, police, etc ..)
A mon retour ( 1 h après ), je constate que le restant de la famille a été attaqué … par des moustiques !! Pas cool pour elles !
Entrée Wiew Point = 20 000 k/p
Entrée Cave Tham Pha Tok = 10 000 k/p
5 Mars 2018
Ce matin trajet en bateau vers le village de Muang Ngoi situé à 1 h de navigation sur la Nam Ou. Embarquement vers 10h30 en entassant locaux, touristes et bagages … Pas de soucis sur le trajet si ce n'ai qu'il n'y a « presque »pas de sièges donc « un peu mal aux fesses » et articulations en descendant de la pirogue …
Accostage sur le ponton fait de bidons vides formant une sorte de radeau ( idem a Nong Kiaw ) puis découverte de notre guestouse située à mi-pente des escaliers permettant l'accès aux bateaux : NING NING GUESTHOUSE Prise de possession de nos 2 chambres avec vues directes sur la Nam Ou et les montagnes environnantes. Super sympa
Repas puis découverte de ce tout petit village avec son unique rue ( bien défoncée car en travaux ) et multitudes de bars, guesthouses, etc . Petite ballade en bord de rivière puis jeux avec les enfants du coin qui n'hésite pas à s'y baigner dès la sortie de l'école .
Bateau Nong Kiaw-Muang Ngoi = 25 000 k/p ( départs 10h30 et 14 h 30 - si trop d'affluence plusieurs bateaux sont mis en place donc pas de soucis ) compter 1 h de trajet en grande pirogue.
6 Mars 2018
Grande ballade ( 9 h -17h30 ) dans les villages environnants de Muang Ngoi .
Grosse chaleur, traversée de rivière à pied ou sur un tronc d'arbre, rizières à perte de vue sur fond de montagne, montées ou descentes, animaux de toutes sortes, vie quotidienne des locaux( tissage, labours, fabrication de paniers en bambou, garde des bêtes dans les paturages, fabrication de l'alcool de riz, etc) et grande pauvreté dans les villages traversés avec accueil sympa des habitants malgré leurs conditions de vie sont les images de cette journée passée en campagne. Repas dans une homestay en cours de route. Distribution de ballons gonflables et crayons aux enfants ( parents aussi ) rencontrés au fil de la promenade.
Entrée accès vers les villages et une cave = 10 000 k/p
7 Mars 2018
Ce matin retour vers Nong Kiaw puis Luang Prabang dans la foulée où nous devons passer une nuit avant de rejoindre Vang Vieng.
9H30 prise du bateau dans les mêmes conditions que notre arrivée, puis, une fois débarquée sur Nong Kiaw, le gérant de la Meexay Guesthouse nous récupère dans sa voiture personnelle afin de nous conduire sur Luang Prabang .
Arrivée 14h30 sur Luang Prabang devant notre guesthouse : KHOUM XIENG THONG VILLA
Chek-in de nos 2 chambres puis partons finir de visiter Luang Prabang ( bord du Mékong, divers temples, etc ) avant de manger une nouvelle fois dans le Nigth Market et faire quelques emplettes souvenirs. Réservation pour le lendemain de notre bus vers Vang Vieng avec pik-up à notre guesthouse
Bateau Muang Ngoi-Nong Khiaw = 25 000 k/p ( départs 9h30 - si trop d'affluence plusieurs bateaux sont mis en place donc pas de soucis ) compter 1 h de trajet
Comme vous le voyez, faire en deux jours Nong Khiaw et Muang Ngoi sera la course car les trajets sont longs et le but d'aller sur ces villages est la découverte des paysages et des populations en y prenant son temps . ( à la Loatienne !! )
A dispo si besoin
Cordialement
Jaja29
Je dirais " chaud " en 2 jours .... !!
Ci-dessous notre organisation sur place lorsque nous y étions :
2 Mars 2018
Ce jour nous prenons un mini van en direction de Nong Kiaw.
Pick up de notre guesthouse à 8h30 pour rejoindre la gare routière nord de Luang Prabang.
Chargement de nos sacs sur le toit du véhicule et départ 9 h pile poile pour 3 h de route vers notre prochaine destination. Nous traversons une multitude de villages sur une route infestée de nids de poules (quelques arrêts en cours de route à la mode asiatique...!! ) avec un chauffeur un peu " fangio ". Nous frôlons l'accident pour cause de camion arrivant en face et ayant perdu ses freins !!!
Arrivée 12 h sur Nong Khiaw sur ce qui fait office de gare routière puis, par l'intermédiaire d'un tuk-tuk, rejoignons notre guesthouse située au-delà du pont enjambant la rivière Nam Ou : MEEXAY GUESTHOUSE
Installation dans nos 2 chambres, repas dans l'un des nombreux restaurants alentours, repos puis petit tour de village pour repérer les lieux et réserver une journée excursion pour le lendemain. Pick-up vers gare routière nord de Luang Prabang = 5 000 k/p
Mini van Luang Prabang vers Nong Khiaw = 75 000 k/p
Pick-up vers notre guesthouse = 5 000 k/p
3 Mars 2018
Après une bonne nuit bien calme nous voilà au départ d'une journée d'excursion qui se découpera en 5 phases:
¾ h de bateau sur la Nam Ou
½ h dans un village
1 h de marche vers une cascade au travers de villages et des rizières
1 h de plouf et repas puis retour en bord de Nam Ou
2 h de kayak pour rejoindre Nong Khiaw
Journée avec Nong Khiaw Adventure = 180 000 k/p
incluant bateau, repas, boissons et kayak ( nous étions 7 dans le groupe )
4 Mars 2018
La nuit fut reposante mais au réveil les bras de toute la petite famille sont bien fatigués. Conséquence de notre kayak de la veille ! Cependant, ce matin et après un succulent petit déjeuner, nous engageons la fameuse montée vers le view point de Nong Khiaw.
1 heure 30 de grimpette pas facile-facile à certains endroits mais une fois tout en haut un 360° de toute beauté qui range bien vite la fatigue de la montée.
Repos salvateur durant 1/2 heures face aux paysages avant de faire le parcours inverse tout aussi éreintant … !! ( nous gagnons toutefois ¼ h par rapport à la montée).
Repas, repos puis achat des billets à l'embarcadère ( fermeture 16 h) afin de, le lendemain, rejoindre en bateau un village en amont : Muang Ngoi
Une fois fait, nous mettons à profit le restant de l'après midi pour faire à pied les trois bons kms pour rejoindre la grotte de Tham Pha Tok. Rien d'extraordinaire sur le lieu en lui-même si ce n'est l'utilité qu'en donne les guides touristiques ( 10 minutes de visite après un escalier bien raide ). Ne pas hésiter a faire le tour du pic au travers de la végétation pour trouver une autre entrée ( chemin non signalé ). Je pars seul le faire. Un petit boyau s'enfonce dans la grotte sur environ 200 m ( largeur d'une personne pas pour les claustrophobes !! ). On y découvre quelques niches ( avec panneaux indiquant leurs fonctions : bureau du notaire, banque, police, etc ..)
A mon retour ( 1 h après ), je constate que le restant de la famille a été attaqué … par des moustiques !! Pas cool pour elles !
Entrée Wiew Point = 20 000 k/p
Entrée Cave Tham Pha Tok = 10 000 k/p
5 Mars 2018
Ce matin trajet en bateau vers le village de Muang Ngoi situé à 1 h de navigation sur la Nam Ou. Embarquement vers 10h30 en entassant locaux, touristes et bagages … Pas de soucis sur le trajet si ce n'ai qu'il n'y a « presque »pas de sièges donc « un peu mal aux fesses » et articulations en descendant de la pirogue …
Accostage sur le ponton fait de bidons vides formant une sorte de radeau ( idem a Nong Kiaw ) puis découverte de notre guestouse située à mi-pente des escaliers permettant l'accès aux bateaux : NING NING GUESTHOUSE Prise de possession de nos 2 chambres avec vues directes sur la Nam Ou et les montagnes environnantes. Super sympa
Repas puis découverte de ce tout petit village avec son unique rue ( bien défoncée car en travaux ) et multitudes de bars, guesthouses, etc . Petite ballade en bord de rivière puis jeux avec les enfants du coin qui n'hésite pas à s'y baigner dès la sortie de l'école .
Bateau Nong Kiaw-Muang Ngoi = 25 000 k/p ( départs 10h30 et 14 h 30 - si trop d'affluence plusieurs bateaux sont mis en place donc pas de soucis ) compter 1 h de trajet en grande pirogue.
6 Mars 2018
Grande ballade ( 9 h -17h30 ) dans les villages environnants de Muang Ngoi .
Grosse chaleur, traversée de rivière à pied ou sur un tronc d'arbre, rizières à perte de vue sur fond de montagne, montées ou descentes, animaux de toutes sortes, vie quotidienne des locaux( tissage, labours, fabrication de paniers en bambou, garde des bêtes dans les paturages, fabrication de l'alcool de riz, etc) et grande pauvreté dans les villages traversés avec accueil sympa des habitants malgré leurs conditions de vie sont les images de cette journée passée en campagne. Repas dans une homestay en cours de route. Distribution de ballons gonflables et crayons aux enfants ( parents aussi ) rencontrés au fil de la promenade.
Entrée accès vers les villages et une cave = 10 000 k/p
7 Mars 2018
Ce matin retour vers Nong Kiaw puis Luang Prabang dans la foulée où nous devons passer une nuit avant de rejoindre Vang Vieng.
9H30 prise du bateau dans les mêmes conditions que notre arrivée, puis, une fois débarquée sur Nong Kiaw, le gérant de la Meexay Guesthouse nous récupère dans sa voiture personnelle afin de nous conduire sur Luang Prabang .
Arrivée 14h30 sur Luang Prabang devant notre guesthouse : KHOUM XIENG THONG VILLA
Chek-in de nos 2 chambres puis partons finir de visiter Luang Prabang ( bord du Mékong, divers temples, etc ) avant de manger une nouvelle fois dans le Nigth Market et faire quelques emplettes souvenirs. Réservation pour le lendemain de notre bus vers Vang Vieng avec pik-up à notre guesthouse
Bateau Muang Ngoi-Nong Khiaw = 25 000 k/p ( départs 9h30 - si trop d'affluence plusieurs bateaux sont mis en place donc pas de soucis ) compter 1 h de trajet
Comme vous le voyez, faire en deux jours Nong Khiaw et Muang Ngoi sera la course car les trajets sont longs et le but d'aller sur ces villages est la découverte des paysages et des populations en y prenant son temps . ( à la Loatienne !! )
A dispo si besoin
Cordialement
Jaja29
Bonjour, quelq un sait il si on peut rejoindre Chiang Rai a partir de n'ont kwiau ou Muang ngoi
Bonjour
En faisant une simulation sur Google je constate que de Nong Khiaw vous pouvez rejoindre Muang Xay et de là 2 itinéraires avec un total de 490 km environ et un temps de trajet de 10H . Ou redescendre à Luang Prabang pour un vol !!
Eric
En faisant une simulation sur Google je constate que de Nong Khiaw vous pouvez rejoindre Muang Xay et de là 2 itinéraires avec un total de 490 km environ et un temps de trajet de 10H . Ou redescendre à Luang Prabang pour un vol !!
Eric
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We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
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Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
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I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
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Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi! I’m planning a 15-day trip to Malaysia. The idea is to visit KL for 2 or 3 days, then Borneo, and I’m wondering what to do with the rest of the time. I’d like to finish with the Perhentian Islands... What do you think? Any tips or advice would be great—I’d really appreciate it!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hello.
In 1996, we crossed Vietnam from Saigon to Hanoi by motorbike—Minsk bikes we bought in Saigon. I haven’t been back since, and it seems like a lot has changed.
- We’re heading to the south (well, the north and center) with the family in July-August (3 people).
- Is the road network more developed now? Back then, there was only National Route 1 from south to north. I’m thinking of renting a car this time (no motorbike with the family—though in ’96, they had a Jawa sidecar for sale, and we hesitated… maybe it’s for the best).
- Is Halong Bay really something to avoid because of overtourism? Even back then, it was pretty crowded. Is there a less touristy alternative?
- We’ll be traveling from Hanoi down to Danang (the only city we didn’t stop in back in ’96). Even though it’s a bit overhyped in a Chinese-tourist kind of way (from what I’ve read), we’re only going for the beach—pure relaxation for 7 days. The beaches are stunning, and I know the South China Sea is warm like coffee.
- Then, we’ll visit Hoi An, where I stopped in ’96. It was already popular with backpackers back then, but no glowing boats or all the touristy fuss!
- After that, Hue, where I have great memories—it’s a beautiful city.
- And also the nature around Ninh Binh, followed by 2-3 days in Hanoi.
That’s the plan. I’d love to hear any tips to avoid mass tourism, and if anyone’s done this before: - Is it possible to rent a car in Danang and drop it off in Hanoi?
Thanks, and long live the Nam! !
- We’re heading to the south (well, the north and center) with the family in July-August (3 people).
- Is the road network more developed now? Back then, there was only National Route 1 from south to north. I’m thinking of renting a car this time (no motorbike with the family—though in ’96, they had a Jawa sidecar for sale, and we hesitated… maybe it’s for the best).
- Is Halong Bay really something to avoid because of overtourism? Even back then, it was pretty crowded. Is there a less touristy alternative?
- We’ll be traveling from Hanoi down to Danang (the only city we didn’t stop in back in ’96). Even though it’s a bit overhyped in a Chinese-tourist kind of way (from what I’ve read), we’re only going for the beach—pure relaxation for 7 days. The beaches are stunning, and I know the South China Sea is warm like coffee.
- Then, we’ll visit Hoi An, where I stopped in ’96. It was already popular with backpackers back then, but no glowing boats or all the touristy fuss!
- After that, Hue, where I have great memories—it’s a beautiful city.
- And also the nature around Ninh Binh, followed by 2-3 days in Hanoi.
That’s the plan. I’d love to hear any tips to avoid mass tourism, and if anyone’s done this before: - Is it possible to rent a car in Danang and drop it off in Hanoi?
Thanks, and long live the Nam! !
Hey everyone,
I’m over in East Borneo in mid-July.
I’m struggling to wrap up the end of my itinerary, even though it’s pretty straightforward (long but simple).
Last year, we did Malaysia (KL and the mainland + around Kuching).
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees. Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands. Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way). Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan. Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide). Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre. Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island. Day 10 – Head to Semporna. Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai. Day 15 – Bohey Dulang. Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous. I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing. I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture. But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary. If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
What do you all think? Thanks in advance!
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees. Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands. Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way). Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan. Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide). Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre. Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island. Day 10 – Head to Semporna. Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai. Day 15 – Bohey Dulang. Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous. I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing. I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture. But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary. If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
What do you all think? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Thanks for your opinions/answers! Marc Lamarre
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Thanks for your opinions/answers! Marc Lamarre
Hello,
I’ll be in Malaysia with my wife, mainly in Langkawi and Penang for Christmas and New Year’s at the end of 2026.
If you’ve had the experience—and since I’ve read (though it’s not very clear) that these two islands get quite crowded during this period—would you recommend booking accommodation well in advance, or is it easy to find something on the spot?
Hotels or Airbnb?
Do you have any great tips for accommodation or any practical info to share?
We’ll be staying 5 to 7 days on each island.
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there. To make the most of Lake Toba, is it better to find accommodation on the lake’s shores (which one?) or on Samosir Island? Thanks for your tips!
Hi. Is it possible to take the train from Malacca to Ipoh? Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
We’re heading to Vietnam as a family on July 8th for a little over 3 weeks (north and center). We’ve only booked the first 3 nights in Hanoi, and nothing else after that. We like to decide things on the spot and go with the flow, without rushing everywhere. But I’m still a bit unsure: when heading down to the center (Hue), is it better to book the overnight trains in advance? We don’t want to take any flights while we’re there—just use the overnight train for the long trips. But I’m worried we won’t get seats if we buy the tickets on the spot, say, 2 days before. What do the experts here think? And which website can we use to book the tickets? Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone!
I’m heading back to Thailand in July 2026 with a stopover in Cambodia to visit the Angkor site.
After Angkor, I’ve booked a stay on Ko Chang island. Does anyone know if there are direct transport options from Cambodia to Ko Chang without having to go back through Bangkok? That would be amazing!!
I think there are, but I’d need more details!!
I went to Thailand in February 2025 and don’t remember having to apply for a visa—is that still the case now? And for Cambodia too?
Thanks so much!!!
Laurence from Bayonne
Hi there,
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi,
After our trip to China, we want to spend a week in the Philippines for some beach time and snorkeling.
We're looking for the best spot to settle in—nice beaches, great marine life, and short transfer times.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Hi there,
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Hello,
While traveling in Thailand, I’m looking for a Buddhist kumlai reed bracelet.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
In Bangkok, I visited a few temples but didn’t see any in the nearby shops.
If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)





