Circuit par agence ou en individuel en Chine?
by Thomaxlou
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Voilà mon circuit est bouclé ou presque. En gros c'est +/-24 jours:
Shanghai (+Suzhou et Hangzhou: 6j)
Vol pour Shenzhen pour passer 3 à 4 jours à HKong.
Vol Shenzhen - Guilin (visite de la région 3 - 4 jours)
Vol Guilin - Xi'an (2 à 3 j)
Train de nuit Xi'an - Pingayo (2j)
TGV Xi'an - Pékin (4 j)
Certains me conseillent de confier mon projet à une agence (locale) et partir en circuit organisé et individualisé avec guide francophone.
C'est vrai qu'on y gagne en temps et en facilité mais en contre partie ma crainte est de me faire (trop) encadrer.
De plus est-ce vraiment intéressant (financièrement) de passer par une agence locale pour les réservations d'hôtels + vols intérieurs?😏
De toute façon d'ici une semaine je réserve mes vols internationaux
Thomaxlou
il n y a aucunes difficultés a votre ton voyage par toi-meme. tu ne perdrais pas plus de temps seul.
et surtout tu eviteras de payer un guide pendant tout la duree de ton voyage alors que cet argent pourrait te service pour tes achats et ameliorer ton sejour (resto hotel et transport meilleur)
et surtout tu eviteras de payer un guide pendant tout la duree de ton voyage alors que cet argent pourrait te service pour tes achats et ameliorer ton sejour (resto hotel et transport meilleur)
salut
tourisme avec une agence, il y a peu de temp libre, tout est organisé et programmé.
tourisme indivitualisé, c'est plus libre, vous pouvez faire ce que vous voulez.
personnellement, je vous conseille de faire un voyage privé accompagné par un étudiant local, c'Est mieux.
personnellement, je vous conseille de faire un voyage privé accompagné par un étudiant local, c'Est mieux.
personnellement, je vous conseille de faire un voyage privé accompagné par un étudiant local, c'Est mieux.
tu veux dire toi? 😏
c'est un voyage faisable sans aide d'un guide car son circuit est tres classique sans difficulté
tu veux dire toi? 😏
c'est un voyage faisable sans aide d'un guide car son circuit est tres classique sans difficulté
Merci Yannis... je suis bien d'accord avec toi car je n'ai pas envie de tomber dans ce tourbillon d'activités pour "toutou".
Mais dis-moi où trouves-tu ces guides "étudiants francophones".
De plus comment fait-on d'ici (Bruxelles) pour réserver les TGV entre Pékin et Pingyao et le train couchette entra Pingyao et Xian.
Pour les vols domestiques cela semble plus faciles avec les sites elong ou ctrip, bien que je ne comprends pas trop la différence de prix entre les 2 sites pour un même vol.
Dernière question: la grande muraille se trouve à quelle distance de Pékin et on y arrive comment?
Bonne journée
Thomaxlou
Mais dis-moi où trouves-tu ces guides "étudiants francophones".
cé lui le guide 😏
De plus comment fait-on d'ici (Bruxelles) pour réserver les TGV entre Pékin et Pingyao et le train couchette entra Pingyao et Xian.
en demandant a une agence de l'acheter pour toi
Pour les vols domestiques cela semble plus faciles avec les sites elong ou ctrip, bien que je ne comprends pas trop la différence de prix entre les 2 sites pour un même vol.
2 agences qui n'ont pas les memes prix
Dernière question: la grande muraille se trouve à quelle distance de Pékin et on y arrive comment?
par train, bus, taxi....
cé lui le guide 😏
De plus comment fait-on d'ici (Bruxelles) pour réserver les TGV entre Pékin et Pingyao et le train couchette entra Pingyao et Xian.
en demandant a une agence de l'acheter pour toi
Pour les vols domestiques cela semble plus faciles avec les sites elong ou ctrip, bien que je ne comprends pas trop la différence de prix entre les 2 sites pour un même vol.
2 agences qui n'ont pas les memes prix
Dernière question: la grande muraille se trouve à quelle distance de Pékin et on y arrive comment?
par train, bus, taxi....
Bonjour,
Attention aux embuscades d'étudiants francophones, juste là pour te soutirer de l'$ sous prétexte de t'orienter et de te guider (ça a failli m'arriver sur Pékin...).
Comme te l'a dit Nemo, voyage seul et improvise sur place.Le guide local n'est pas indispensable, même si la compréhension n'est pas toujours aisée.
Je ne sais pas si tu pourras réserver tes billets de train à l'avance, nous on le faisait sur place, au fur et à mesure...Pas toujours facile, mais gérable
Bon trip
Attention aux embuscades d'étudiants francophones, juste là pour te soutirer de l'$ sous prétexte de t'orienter et de te guider (ça a failli m'arriver sur Pékin...).
Comme te l'a dit Nemo, voyage seul et improvise sur place.Le guide local n'est pas indispensable, même si la compréhension n'est pas toujours aisée.
Je ne sais pas si tu pourras réserver tes billets de train à l'avance, nous on le faisait sur place, au fur et à mesure...Pas toujours facile, mais gérable
Bon trip
Salut,
pour les guides étudiants francophones, lorsque tu arrives dans une ville, tu peux te rendre à une université et contacter le département de francais pour en trouver un. En plus, dans la pluspart des universités, on se peut se communiquer sur une plateforme interne (on l'appelle aussi bbs) au sein de l'université, là tu peux émettre un message aussi pour attirer attention de tout le monde.
si tu parles l'anglais, tu peux bien te débrouiller seul ..lol c'est pas la peine de trouve un guide.
s'agissant du TGV entre PINGYAO ET PÉKIN, je crois que il existe! normalement le train est fixé à caractère 'rapide', non pas TGV; PINGYAO À XIAN, le train couchette, c'est disponible. pour la réservation, il faut que tu fasses déplacement en Chine. un billet de train couchette peut être acheté au maxi dix jours à l'Avance; le billet du TGV (en chine on l'appelle train cartouche selon sa tête:) peut être réservé quinze ou vingt jours à l'avance. en résumé, tu as suffisamment de temps ^pour la réservation lorsque tu arrives en chine, mais attention il faut prévoire les choses et agir à temps
en ce qui concerne le vol domestique, elong ou ctrip, c'et kif kif, mais il existe d'Autre sites connus aussi, tu peux choisir un pour la réservation.... chez toi, même maintenant tu peux réserver les billets sur internet à condition que ton programme est finalisé.
la grande muraille se trouve à 80km du centre ville de pékin, il y a des bus réguliers qui prennent allez-retour, un ticket allez-simple coûte 1,5 euros environ. si tes moyens financiers permettent, tu peux prendre un taxi:)
amicalement yannis
PS: dans ce forum, il y a des guides, mais je le suis pas! certains te rappellent de se méfier des 'guides étudiants', moi je te dis que mieux s'installe la confiant au lieu de méfiance. les gens se distinguent, dans chaque pays, il y a du bon et du mauvais.
amicalement yannis
PS: dans ce forum, il y a des guides, mais je le suis pas! certains te rappellent de se méfier des 'guides étudiants', moi je te dis que mieux s'installe la confiant au lieu de méfiance. les gens se distinguent, dans chaque pays, il y a du bon et du mauvais.
J'ai fait pratiquement le même circuit en me débrouillant seule sans parler chinois.
C'est faisable. et moins cher.
PS: dans ce forum, il y a des guides, mais je le suis pas!
pourtant tu as ecris ceci dans ton profil: "une autre chose, pour les amis francophones qui viennent a Pékin, des fois je leur serts de guide! bien sur que je dois être disponible. je peux les aider a faire des choix! "
pourtant tu as ecris ceci dans ton profil: "une autre chose, pour les amis francophones qui viennent a Pékin, des fois je leur serts de guide! bien sur que je dois être disponible. je peux les aider a faire des choix! "
😏le voyage semble simple en individuel et bien ciblé
je l'ai fait plusieurs fois sans guide et sans pb
si vous voulez un guide sur place allez à L'agence chinoise CITS queovous pouvez contacter d'ici par mail et elle vous donne un guide confirmé
mais autrement il y a le guide papier lonely planet + un carto ville (je crois Gallimard)
Pour la grande muraille , il y a des bus qui partent d'une agence pres de la place Tian an men autrement dans les hotels il y a de bons renseignements anglophone . On peut ainsi avoir un taxi pour la journee et voir la gde muraille et les tombeaux des mIngs avec l'allée superbe de personnages et animaux.
à pekin l'utilisation du metro :TB et bus :se faire écrire la destination en chinois par l'hotel et le controleur vous dit où descendre
à Shanghai:métro TB pratique et les taxis ne sont pas chers; environ 3 euros pur une course de durée normale en centre ville dommage de s'en priver ;de meme à Pekin ils ont un compteur et donnent une facture
bon voyage
huacha
si vous voulez un guide sur place allez à L'agence chinoise CITS queovous pouvez contacter d'ici par mail et elle vous donne un guide confirmé
mais autrement il y a le guide papier lonely planet + un carto ville (je crois Gallimard)
Pour la grande muraille , il y a des bus qui partent d'une agence pres de la place Tian an men autrement dans les hotels il y a de bons renseignements anglophone . On peut ainsi avoir un taxi pour la journee et voir la gde muraille et les tombeaux des mIngs avec l'allée superbe de personnages et animaux.
à pekin l'utilisation du metro :TB et bus :se faire écrire la destination en chinois par l'hotel et le controleur vous dit où descendre
à Shanghai:métro TB pratique et les taxis ne sont pas chers; environ 3 euros pur une course de durée normale en centre ville dommage de s'en priver ;de meme à Pekin ils ont un compteur et donnent une facture
bon voyage
huacha
huacha
Bonjour,
Comme les autres intervenants, je te conseille d'organiser toi meme ton voyage, d'autant plus que tu a déjà prévu ton circuit.
Choisi des auberges de jeunesse ou le personel parle anglais, ils pourront ainsi t'aider sur place pour la reservation dans la vielle suivante, ou pour les billets de train. ils pourront aussi t'écrire sur des papiers les noms en chinois des lieux que tu veux visiter dans la journée, ça t'aidera pas mal.
Comme les autres intervenants, je te conseille d'organiser toi meme ton voyage, d'autant plus que tu a déjà prévu ton circuit.
Choisi des auberges de jeunesse ou le personel parle anglais, ils pourront ainsi t'aider sur place pour la reservation dans la vielle suivante, ou pour les billets de train. ils pourront aussi t'écrire sur des papiers les noms en chinois des lieux que tu veux visiter dans la journée, ça t'aidera pas mal.
Tous mes voyages en images : sur mon blog
monsieur,
je vous prie de comprendre une chose:
pour les amis francophones qui viennent a Pékin, des fois je leur serts de guide!
les amis francophones sont ceux que je connais déjà, cela est une condition préalable.
pour mes amis, je peux faire qqch pour eux, est-ce que j'ai tort?
vous êtes francais, il faut lire l'idée non pas simplement de la forme....
merci
"les amis francais" et alors, cé pourtant tres clair
😏
tu t'es levé au milieu de la nuit pour m'envoyer ton message...xie xie!
tu t'es levé au milieu de la nuit pour m'envoyer ton message...xie xie!
Salut
je devrais faire quelque chose comme toi en juillet 2011 on se recontacte pour savoir si on peut se voir sur place itinéraire et date en MP
salut didier
je devrais faire quelque chose comme toi en juillet 2011 on se recontacte pour savoir si on peut se voir sur place itinéraire et date en MP
salut didier
Ok merci pour toutes les réponses...
Quelqu'un connaît-il Shanghai City Cental Youth Hostel à Shanghai. A voir le site c'est impeccable. Il y a beaucoup d'auberges de jeunesse en Chine mais sont-ce vraiment des auberges ou des hôtels? Faut une carte internationale "membre des auberges de jeunesse"?
De toute façon j'ai 62 ans et je crois que je ne rentre plus dans le catégorie "jeunesse" 😉 J'attends les avis...
Thomaxlou
Bonjour,
Je ne connais pas cette A.J, mais toutes celles que j'ai testé durant l'été dernier étaient impeccables, que ce soit en (grande) ville ou à la campagne.J'y ai même été mieux reçu que dans les 2 hotels ***** que j'ai essayé (un à Xi'an et l'autre à Hangzhou). Je ne pense pas qu'il y ait de limite d'age, j'y ai croisée des gens de tout age....
Je ne connais pas cette A.J, mais toutes celles que j'ai testé durant l'été dernier étaient impeccables, que ce soit en (grande) ville ou à la campagne.J'y ai même été mieux reçu que dans les 2 hotels ***** que j'ai essayé (un à Xi'an et l'autre à Hangzhou). Je ne pense pas qu'il y ait de limite d'age, j'y ai croisée des gens de tout age....
je ne connais pas cette auberge mais n'importe qui peut y sejourner et de toute age, pas besoin de carte.
ce qui est bien dans ce genre d'auberge cé qu'il y a toujours une personne qui parle anglais au contraire des hotels donc tres pratique pour une personne ne parlant pas chinois. Le coté negatif cé que quasiment tu ne trouveras que des etrangers.
ce qui est bien dans ce genre d'auberge cé qu'il y a toujours une personne qui parle anglais au contraire des hotels donc tres pratique pour une personne ne parlant pas chinois. Le coté negatif cé que quasiment tu ne trouveras que des etrangers.
Faux Nemo! la ou j habite il y a une auberge de jeunesse a cote. Avec 95% de chinois en clients donc c est une generalisation un peu hative.
Le statut auberge de jeunesse est souvent demande apres l ouverture de l hotel, il faut repondre a des criteres exigeants qualite/prix et l organisme qui habilite fait preuve dune certaine rigueur d ou les resultats escomptes :)
Maintenant il y a pas que les auberges, si je reprends l exemple de mon village, je connais d autres etablissements de qualite/ prix tout fait semblable
Le statut auberge de jeunesse est souvent demande apres l ouverture de l hotel, il faut repondre a des criteres exigeants qualite/prix et l organisme qui habilite fait preuve dune certaine rigueur d ou les resultats escomptes :)
Maintenant il y a pas que les auberges, si je reprends l exemple de mon village, je connais d autres etablissements de qualite/ prix tout fait semblable
comme on dit il y a tjrs des exceptions!
je suis d'accord qu'on peut trouver des hotels bien moins cher et de meilleur qualités que les auberges. D'ailleurs perso, je ne vais que dans des hotels hormis à Pingyao.
je suis d'accord qu'on peut trouver des hotels bien moins cher et de meilleur qualités que les auberges. D'ailleurs perso, je ne vais que dans des hotels hormis à Pingyao.
Bonjour... il parait que l'on peut relier Taiyuan à Pékin en 3h avec un TGV (???) ou tain express?
Peut-on prendre le train "normal" à Pingyao et prendre le TGV à Taiyuan... entra d'autres mots est-ce la même gare?
Thomaxlou
oui il y a le train rapide entre Taiyuan et pekin en a peine plus de 3h.
Si tu veux prendre le train rapide depuis pingyao, il te faudra acheter 2 billets distincts: pingyao-taiyuan et taiyuan-pekin
Si tu veux prendre le train rapide depuis pingyao, il te faudra acheter 2 billets distincts: pingyao-taiyuan et taiyuan-pekin
Bonjour,
Très beau circuit, je suis basé à pékin, je peux peut-être t'aider, pour conseils ou autres :)
4jours a Pékin c'est assez court pour tout voir par contre 😉
Bien le bonjour d'un français à Pékin !
Merci pour toutes tes infos...
J'ai mes tickets d'avions... BXL - Shanghai et retour Pékin - BXL.
Première question:
Est-ce que la région de "Guilin Yangshuo" vaut qu'on y reste un peu plus de temps pour tout simplement prendre du bon temps. J'ai prévu 4 jours. Si on veut rayonner dans les environs existe-t-il des agences locales?
Deuxième question.
Pingyao me prend 3 jours ce qui fait que je suis obligé d'écouter ma visite de Pékin (3j). Ne vaut-il pas mieux zapper Pingyao et prendre le temps de se perdre dans Pékin et d'y profiter pleinement de l'atmosphère durant 5 jours avant de revenir.
je compte faire Shanghai-Shenzhen (Hong Kong) -Guilin - Xi'an-Pékin en vols intérieurs.
Merci pour tes conseils
Thomaxlou
heheh oui effectivement, je ne peux pas te conseiller d'écourter ton séjour à Pékin qui va passé de 5j à 3j...
Tout le monde te le dira, 3j à Pékin (si tu n'as jamais visité Beijing avant) c'est trop trop COURT 😛
Moi quand je voyage je préfère faire moins de destination et prendre mon temps pour apprécier l'endroit :) Si tu vas a Pékin, tu cours à tiananmen prendre une photo, tu cours a la grande muraille prendre une photo et tu rentres à la maison..tu auras loupé tellement de choses... 🤪
Moi quand je voyage je préfère faire moins de destination et prendre mon temps pour apprécier l'endroit :) Si tu vas a Pékin, tu cours à tiananmen prendre une photo, tu cours a la grande muraille prendre une photo et tu rentres à la maison..tu auras loupé tellement de choses... 🤪
Bien le bonjour d'un français à Pékin !
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Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?
Hi there,
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
I'm planning a 19-day itinerary in Japan this summer.
For a first trip, Kyoto seems like a must. For the rest, I'm torn between:
- Matsumoto, Takayama, Kanazawa for 5 to 6 days
- Kyoto 4 days
- Nara 2 days
- Koyasan 1 day
- Hakone/Mount Fuji 2 to 3 days
- Tokyo 3 days
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there!
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
Hi everyone who’s reading this!
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
Hi everyone,
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
hi everyone, and first of all, I wish you all a happy new year and good health!
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Japan in April/May.
I’ll start my journey in Tokyo for 3 to 4 days.
I’d love your advice on accommodation, transportation, an itinerary, and whether a guide would be useful.
I’m traveling solo and could use a little reassurance.
Before I forget... how do payments work?
Thanks for your help, Petra
Thanks for your help, Petra
Hi there,
I’m looking for someone who could help me organize a trip to Japan for my niece and her son. I’ve seen that French-speaking guides are expensive, and the same goes for going through a tour operator.
Airline, local transportation, hotels, etc.
Thanks for your replies!
Betsyl