Climat au Laos/Cambodge en juillet/août
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bonjour

je sais effectivement que c est la pèriode de la mousson😕, mais est ce possible de profiter pleinement du pays...et de se deplacer facilement ?

qui est deja parti au laos en cette periode ?

au cambodge?

merci
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KA Karmayoga ·
salut,

oui, comme tu le dis c'est la période des moussons et pour les déplacemments ca na va pas etre facile en cette saison.au cambodge, de la capitale à siem reap, tu pourras prendre le bateau pour 22 dollars!!!si tu veux gagner du temps bien sur car la route sera surement impraticable!!!

combien de temps disposes-tu???a+++++++++++pour le laos en cette période, je ne sais pas...
ked
BR Bragon Regular ·
Au Cambodge, durant la saison des pluies, il ne pleut au maximum que 2 à 3 heures tous les jours, généralement en début d'après midi. A l'heure où j'écris à Phnom Penh (il est 17h), on vient d'essuyer une jolie pluie tropicale qui a duré une bonne heure. Maintenant, on s'égoute... Pas de quoi s'affoler donc. D'autant plus que ce lessivage quotidien ravive les couleurs et rafraichit l'athmosphère.

Coté déplacement, c'est un peu plus dur. Beaucoup de pistes seront (et sont déjà) impraticables. Je rentre d'une virée sur les pistes du Mondolkiri et je sais que je ne pourrais y retourner avant au 4 à 5 mois. Les routes nationales (et notamment la route PP-SR) restent cependant praticables la plupart du temps. Il y a eu de grandes améliorations de ce point de vue ces dernières années. Mais il faut prendre en compte les temps de trajets qui peuvent s'en trouver fortement rallongés.
B.
AL Alan Globetrotter ·
A savoir, une variante pour se rendre à Siem Reap et qui me parait autrement plus intéréssante que les bateaux vrombissants, est de se rendre à Battambang sur l'autre rive en bus et de là de prendre le bateau pour traverser le Tonlé Sap et se rendre sur l'autre rive.......la traversée se fait à travers une forêt à moitié immergée dans sa première partie et permet de voir la vie des villageois alentour, ainsi qu'une nature encore relativement épargnée du moins sur cette rive.......
MA Malou2 Regular ·
On va arriver à Bangkok le 12 juillet et on pense passer notre première semaine au Cambogde pour visiter Angkor et les environs. On a prévu de faire le trajet jusqu'à Siem Reappar la route. Est-elle en général encore assez praticable à cette saison ou va-t-ton au devant de galères sachant qu'on sera avec 2 enfants. J'ai lu à plusieurs reprises que la route a été considérablement améliorée ces dernières années.
LI Lilly ·
Depuis la frontière Thailandaise: la route qui mene à Siem Reap a été regoudronnée en 2002 donc a priori elle est pratiquable par tous les temps. Et sans danger avec des enfants. La visite des temples se fait obligatoirement en vehicule local soit des moto-dop (entre une 125 et un scooter) soit en voiture climatisée.

Le top (si les enfants sont motivés) est de vivre le lever et le coucher de soleil sur les temples...

Bon Voyage, c'est magnifique !
SA Sawaddeekha Veteran ·
Tu comptes aller de BKK à Siem Reap par la route ? Je te le déconseille; j'ai lu PLEIN d'histoires de gens qui ont mis des heures et des heures à arriver.

Si tu lis l'anglais voici un post récent du forum version anglaise de LP :

Hi everyone

we just want to put out another warning about the tours from Bangkok to Siem Reap that are sold in Khao San Rd and the guesthouses around. We know that many people - including LP - have warned about this business before, but what we have experienced was a lot worse than what we had heard before.

We purchased our tickets from the travel agency in our guesthouse (Wild Orchid Villa on Th Pra Arthih, nice place to stay) for 500B per person and we were promised minibus service all the way through to Siem Reap with change of vehicle at the border. The trip was scheduled to take 12 hours. The morning we left we met a guy in the lobby who told us he had taken the same trip 4 weeks earlier and had a really bad experience. At that point in time it was already too late to change, we thought.

We got on a big tour bus with about 40 other travellers. The ride to the border was supposed to take 4 hours, but when we arrived at the border after more than 5 hours, we found out that it wasn't Poipet we had been taken to, but some other checkpoint that was newly opened and according to one of the tour guys just as convenient as Poipet. He said there would be pickups and minibuses waiting on the other side and we could choose which one we wanted to ride. Luckily we had arranged for our visa before in Bangkok, as the folks without visa were charged 1500B instead of $20. There was no negotiating with the tour guys and they would not let you talk to the police officials directly, or they would pretend to not speak any english. Then, there was a 100B 'fee' per person to have your passport stamped. Think you get a receipt? Hahaha! But so far so good.

It took more than 2 hours to get everyone through immigration, by now it was around 4.30 pm. Then we were asked to walk about 1 km to the vehicles to take us on to Siem Reap. Minibus? Sorry, it just broke down yesterday. Instead they crammed 40 people into two beat-up pickup trucks with no seats and nothing in the back, just like the guy in Bangkok had told us. They did not have a roof over the back, like the tour guy on the thai side had promised us. Everything they had told us turned out to be nothing but a lie and of course, the cambodian guys weren't repsonsible for the promises the other guys made. You don't like our service? Go back to Bangkok and complain there.

We were the last two to get on the pickups and by then they were more than full. People were sitting on everyone's luggage and knowing it would take around 7 hours (4 hours in the words of the tour guys) to go to Siem Reap didn't seem like much fun. As if that weren't enough, it started to rain just as the trucks left. We decided not to take that trip and had our luggage taken back down. The guys kept promising there would be seats for us in the cab or in the back, but when we wanted to see those seats, they couldn't show us and then they said they had never promised this and that. These guys are just a bunch of assholes that lie to you every minute of the day. They're a real mafia out there at the border.

The place we got stuck turned out to be O Smuch in the remote north west of the country. It isn't much but a dirty small town where thousands of Thais come every year to gamble at the Casino and to get a cheap treat by the local prostitutes. There was a taxi driver who smelled a business for himself and was willing to drive us to Siem Reap for $50 on the spot. That was a lot more than we wanted to pay, so we agreed with him to go the next morning at 5 am for $20 with some police officer as a third passenger. Then he took us to a 'guesthouse' in the village which was one of the most disgusting places we have stayed on any trip so far. It was definately a brothel. There were rats in our room at night that chewed on our bags. They asked $5 for the 'room' but we managed to push them down to $2. Well, that night passed and at 5 am the taxi driver came around just to tell us that his police man was 'injured' and could not leave before 7 am. He then offered us to drive us right away for 1500 Bhat. What a joke! Finally, we agreed to go at seven and to pay nothing for the room. He gave us his word once more to start no later than seven. As he did not show up again until after 8, we found another taxi driver who was willing to take us for $20. He did not speak much english, but we made clear - at least that's what we thought - that we meant $20 for two people. After all, the other guy would have taken us for $20 also. So we took off after he picked up two other passengers and he started a hellish drive towards Siem Reap. The trip took 6 hours instead of the promised four, although he drove like a madman. When we arrived and payed him, he said he wanted $20 per person. Quickly there was a bunch of other taxi drivers around us who helped to translate. He said for $20 he would not have done the trip. We showed the other taxi drivers the piece of paper on which we had explained to him what we intended to pay ($10 + $10 = $20) and they agreed that the message was very clear. The driver said if we did not pay him another $20, he would take us back to the border - what a funny idea. We stood firmly and it seemed the other drivers agreed with us. Then he said he would take us to the police and when we agreed to that he lost interest in that idea. After all, we paid him another $3 and he took off. We don't know if $23 is a good deal for him, but we had an arrangement and did not want to pay double. Also, he had these other two passengers which he apparently let ride for free.

Well, long story and a bad start into Cambodia. The first day here has given us some trust back for the locals. But to anyone who considers taking a trip with PP Family Tours in Bangkok or any other business: JUST DON'T DO IT!!! Better arrange things yourself. It should not be too hard to get to Poipet on one's own. Poipet surely isn't a much nicer place than O Smuch, but you should have more options for getting a ride to Siem Reap. That's exactly why these guys take you to O Smuch.

Today we met two of the people who were on the bus with us. They had a great time for 6 1/2 hours on the back of a pickup. The girls had a bruise of the size of a dining plate on her back. They were lucky it wasn't raining. But the idea that they made the trip in almost the same time as we did in a good car is terrifying. They ended up at a guesthouse outside of town and the guys refused to take them into town. They did the only reasonable thing - they hired a tuk-tuk and went a couple of kilometers more.

Once again: don't fall for this monkey business.

Happy traveling,

Birte & Boris

Voilà; et ce n'est pas le seul message de ce genre que j'ai lu. Je te conseille de prendre l'avion. Plus cher, mais en une heure tu es sur place !

Va voir aussi sur www.talesofasia.com ; site très intéressant ("BKK-Siem Reap overland", plein de tuyaux sur le Cambodge...).

Pour ce qui est du climat j'y suis allée l'année dernière durant la seconde moitié de juillet et comme disent les autres, on a eu quelques grosses douches mais la pluie ne dure pas. On profite pleinement du pays, et la végétation à cette époque est luxuriante.

Je te recommande un trip à la Rivière aux 1000 Lingas; très chouette. Pour peu qu'il n'ait pas trop plu les jours précédents tu peux y aller en tuk tuk ou en mob, ce qui est nettement mieux que le taxi parce que tu as plus de contacts avec les gens (très pauvres malheureusement) des villages sur la route de Banteay Srei à Kbal Spean (la Rivière aux 1000 lingas).
"If you look like your passport photo, then in all probability you need the journey" - Earl Wilson.
LI Linou76 ·
salut

j'ai fait le trajet bangkok-siem reap l'an dernier aux alentours du 10 juillet, par la route...

achat du ticket sur KSR: 300 baht jusqu' à siem reap. départ à 7H30 de KSR, arrivée 2km avant la frontière (poipet) vers 13 heures (voyage en minibus 8-10 places, climatisé... no problem). Là, on nous dit: c'est ici que vous achetez les visas: 1200 bahts de mémoire. Dans le lonely, on avait lu quelques minutes plus tot qu'il était possible de prendre le visa directement à la frontière ( 1000 baht); c'est donc ce qu'on a tenté...

Arrivée à le frontière après le repas et les visas pour les autres vers 14 heures.

On a mis, montre en main 5 minutes pour obtenir nos 2 visas (à 1000 bahts...) et passer la frontière...

Pour ce qui est de l'état de la route entre poipet et siem reap, elle a beau avoir été refaite (???.....), c'est quand même un grand moment..... on a mis 6 heures au moins pour faire quelques 150 kms, et la "route" était bien sèche... je n'ose pas imaginer le même trajet dans la boue, ou pire encore....

nous sommes restées une dizaine de jours au cambodge et n'avons essuyé que quelques averses très brèves. la mousson ne nous a donc pas géné, mais c'était l'an dernier... il y a deux ans, par contre au laos, on n'a pas vu le soleil pendant trois ou quatre jours au moins.

Comme quoi, y a pas de règle, ça dépend....
OR Orchidee Regular ·
Je suis partie l'anne passee au Laos au mois d'aout. C'est vrai que la chaleur etait assez anesthésiante, (chaleur et humidite ensemble = coktail incroyable) mais la beaute du pays peut tout faire oublier. :-) C'est vrai que ca peut poser quelques problemes au niveau de l'accessibilite de certains endroits, mais il y a toujours moyen de "contourner" l'obstacle: bateau, avion, etc. L'annee passee a ete une annee particulierement clemente au niveau des pluies, ce qui n'a par ailleurs pas fait le bonheur de la plupart des cultivateurs de riz.... Je suis sure que votre voyage sera agreable de toute facon.
Voyager, c'est demander d'un coup à la distance ce que le temps ne pourrait nous donner que peu à peu; N'ayez d'intolérance que vis-à-vis de l'intolérance
MA Malou2 Regular ·
Merci beaucoup. On va peut être faire le trajet sur 2 jours en passant une nuit à la frontière côté Thailande pour que ce soit mons dur pour le petit.

On se décidera sur place et ça dépendra également de la pluie et de l'état des routes au moment où on y sera.

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