Comment parcourir la Mongolie?
by Pierre1992
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à vous tous!!
En projet de partir 1mois en mongolie en aout, à trois amis, quel moyen de locomotion ns conseillez vous???
Nous savons monter à cheval, donc parcourir une partie de la mongolie à cheval ns emballe, cpdt ns en verrons ptet pas bcp de la Mongolie??
Louer une jeep et un chauffeur doit surement coûter cher??? avez vous des bonnes adresses/bons contacts ???
Que ns conseillez vous de faire???
Merci d'avance
Pierre, Maxime et Mathilde
Nous savons monter à cheval, donc parcourir une partie de la mongolie à cheval ns emballe, cpdt ns en verrons ptet pas bcp de la Mongolie??
Tu es deja mal parti ! Partout ou tu iras il y aura des choses a voir, il faudra seulement les apprecier pour ce qu'elles sont. Si tu vas en Mongolie pour voir des "choses concretes" je te conseille de choisir une autre destination. Quand a monter a faire un périple a cheval, sauras tu t'occuper de ton cheval, savoir le monter est une chose, le faire jour apres jour sans le faire souffrir en est une autre.
Je ne peux que te conseiller de mieux te renseigner sur le sujet, si tu veux découvrir le pays en jeep, ce n'est pas les adresses qui manquent sur ce forum, apres le budget est plus conséquent, surtout sur un mois.
Pour ce qui est des conseils a donner, je te donnerais simplement celui ci, ne choisis pas un moyen de locomotion par dépit mais selon tes possibilités, personnellement j'ai opté pour le vélo car je ne saurais m'occuper d'un cheval, et que je trouve que c'est un moyen plus personnel qui me permettra d'etre plus proche de mon environement et d'aller ou bon me semble. Certains prefere le confort de la jeep, d'autres preferent la marche, tout dépend de ce que tu cherches.
Fonk (qui sera en Mongolie en juillet aout, faites moi signe si votre projet se confirme...)
Tu es deja mal parti ! Partout ou tu iras il y aura des choses a voir, il faudra seulement les apprecier pour ce qu'elles sont. Si tu vas en Mongolie pour voir des "choses concretes" je te conseille de choisir une autre destination. Quand a monter a faire un périple a cheval, sauras tu t'occuper de ton cheval, savoir le monter est une chose, le faire jour apres jour sans le faire souffrir en est une autre.
Je ne peux que te conseiller de mieux te renseigner sur le sujet, si tu veux découvrir le pays en jeep, ce n'est pas les adresses qui manquent sur ce forum, apres le budget est plus conséquent, surtout sur un mois.
Pour ce qui est des conseils a donner, je te donnerais simplement celui ci, ne choisis pas un moyen de locomotion par dépit mais selon tes possibilités, personnellement j'ai opté pour le vélo car je ne saurais m'occuper d'un cheval, et que je trouve que c'est un moyen plus personnel qui me permettra d'etre plus proche de mon environement et d'aller ou bon me semble. Certains prefere le confort de la jeep, d'autres preferent la marche, tout dépend de ce que tu cherches.
Fonk (qui sera en Mongolie en juillet aout, faites moi signe si votre projet se confirme...)
Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination. Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues. Céline.
A Pierre, Fonk (et autres futurs mongols) Si vous recherchez une adresse de Guest House sur UB, évitez Golden Gobi guest house et aller plutôt à l'établissement 2e du nom : Golden Gobi 2. La guest house n'est pas très loin de la 1e mais beaucoup plus confortable et plus guest house que la 1e. Golden Gobi 1 a en effet tendance à faire un peu usine à gaz, on cherche le rendement.
Si tu prends pas de tour chez nous --> Golden Gobi 2 est par là. Si t'as pris un tour chez nous et que tu repasses par UB --> Goldent Gobi 2 est par là. Donc autant sauté l'étape (parfois désagréable) de Golden Gobi 1 et aller directement au Golden Gobi 2.
Les proprios sont très sympa et la patronne parle anglais.
Oui le vélo me tente bien aussi...
une expérience de 15jours à vélo en Croatie...
ILs se louent facilement??
On pourrait peut etre alterné vélo et transport en commun??
Et louer par exemple trois-quatre jours une jeep!!
Tu as l'air habitué à la Mongolie, comment ca se passe pr relier "individuellement" les petits villages???
Merci
Qu'appelles tu attractif??? Les prix ne sont pas marqués dslé!!
Les transports collectifs sont peu onéreux en Mongolie (sauf l'avion !) par rapport aux locations de véhicules. Bus et minivans transitent en étoile en partant/arrivant de la capitale. Les déplacements en véhicule sont lents en Mongolie: ne prévoyez pas de parcourir trop de distances.
Si vous voulez faire un trek à cheval (en plus vous savez déjà monter) choisissez-vous une région et là, d'une Guest House, sans réservation, vous trouverez à louer sans soucis chevaux et/ou un guide (solution moins onéreuse qu'en passant par une agence) pour le temps que vous désirez.
cf notre site rubrique "à l'école de l'Himalaya 2009" citant nos treks (pied / cheval) en Arrhangai
Si vous voulez faire un trek à cheval (en plus vous savez déjà monter) choisissez-vous une région et là, d'une Guest House, sans réservation, vous trouverez à louer sans soucis chevaux et/ou un guide (solution moins onéreuse qu'en passant par une agence) pour le temps que vous désirez.
cf notre site rubrique "à l'école de l'Himalaya 2009" citant nos treks (pied / cheval) en Arrhangai
www.ceciletoulonneau.com
Le vélo n'est pas un moyen de transport répandu en Mongolie, n'espère donc pas en louer, tu pourras en trouver a Oulan Bator, mais assez basique (genre moyen game décathlon...), sinon il faudra l'importer de Russie, de Chine ou de France si tu veux être sur du matos.
Il doit être possible de faire transporter son vélo sur le toit d'une jeep collective ou un bus, il faudra négocier ça sur place, aucune certitude, mais certains l'ont déjà fait.
Je ne suis pas habitué de la Mongolie, je prépare juste mon voyage depuis une dizaine de mois en écumant forums, livres et autres documentations sur la Mongolie, je tiens donc ces informations de d'autres membres ou de ce que j'ai pu en lire.
Il n'y a pas de "routes" en Mongolie, de la piste, de la piste et encore de la piste, avec une partie goudronnée (minusucle) a coté de la capitale. Pour relier les vill(ag)es c'est boussole et carte pour les plus téméraire, sinon gps, il n'y a évidement pas d'indication dans la steppe, les locaux pourront toujours t'indiquer, pour un trajet a vélo/cheval ou a pied, il faudra prévoir de la nourriture et surtout de l'eau en conséquence, il n'est pas rare de ne pas croiser de villes pendant plusieurs jours la bas.
Il doit être possible de faire transporter son vélo sur le toit d'une jeep collective ou un bus, il faudra négocier ça sur place, aucune certitude, mais certains l'ont déjà fait.
Je ne suis pas habitué de la Mongolie, je prépare juste mon voyage depuis une dizaine de mois en écumant forums, livres et autres documentations sur la Mongolie, je tiens donc ces informations de d'autres membres ou de ce que j'ai pu en lire.
Il n'y a pas de "routes" en Mongolie, de la piste, de la piste et encore de la piste, avec une partie goudronnée (minusucle) a coté de la capitale. Pour relier les vill(ag)es c'est boussole et carte pour les plus téméraire, sinon gps, il n'y a évidement pas d'indication dans la steppe, les locaux pourront toujours t'indiquer, pour un trajet a vélo/cheval ou a pied, il faudra prévoir de la nourriture et surtout de l'eau en conséquence, il n'est pas rare de ne pas croiser de villes pendant plusieurs jours la bas.
Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination. Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues. Céline.
bonjour
voici les adresses de Emeline, une française qui a une guest house et une agence à Oulan Bator
www.cielmongol.com cielmongol@yahoo.fr
bonne préparation MT
voici les adresses de Emeline, une française qui a une guest house et une agence à Oulan Bator
www.cielmongol.com cielmongol@yahoo.fr
bonne préparation MT
pour des infos, de s idees, des contacts et + encore voir mes pages http://www.terramongolia.com
allons la bas depuis 11 ans on peut essayer de vous aider.
pas besoin a 100% de devoir louer pour apprecier ce pays: le cheval comme dit par ex au bord du kosgol toutes els guest houses louent des chevaux avec guides ou sans eventuellement, on peut se deplacer en bus même si parfois un peu serré... a velo: ai un topo la dessus et oui on peut louer des velos sur place...
Comme ils disent en Mongolie: sain yavaarai : bon voyage!
pas besoin a 100% de devoir louer pour apprecier ce pays: le cheval comme dit par ex au bord du kosgol toutes els guest houses louent des chevaux avec guides ou sans eventuellement, on peut se deplacer en bus même si parfois un peu serré... a velo: ai un topo la dessus et oui on peut louer des velos sur place...
Comme ils disent en Mongolie: sain yavaarai : bon voyage!
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
Bonjour Pierre,
Je connais une famille qui vit dans la region d'arkangai, si cela vous interesse, vous pouvez aller chez eux passer quelques temps et vous faire accompagner pour une randonnée à cheval, l'endroit où ils s'installent durant l'été est magnifique juste à coté d'une riviere et d'une source d'eau chaude (ce qui permet de se laver regulierement). Ils sont tres sympathique. Le pere et le fils de la famille nous ont accompagné exceptionnellement pour une randonnée à cheval pendant 1 semaine avec leur chevaux jusqu'au fond des vallees de l'Orkhon. Pas loin de chez eux, il y a un monastere, un des plus beaux de la Mongolie. le monastere se trouve en haut d'une colline et donne une vue magnifique du paysage. Je trouve que c'est mieux de decouvrir le pays avec les habitants locaux et rentrer en contact avec ce peuple nomade. Ce que vous pouvez faire, c'est d'aller à Karakorum et vous faire accompagner à cheval ou en voiture jusqu'a la famille. je sais qu'il y a des mini bus qui vont à Karakorum regulierement. voici l'adresse mail d'une interprete qui pourra vous mettre en contact avec cette famille et vous conseiller. ubaatar976@yahoo.com
Bon voyage
Bon voyage
Bonjour,
Si je peux vous donner un conseil, vous pouvez faire la découverte de la Mongolie en jonglant entre cheval et voiture, cela permet de faire des balade nature et en même temps de voir des paysages! moi j y suis allé l année dernière, je suis passé par une agence, mongolie-tour, très sympa et pas trop cher, ils ont un guide qui parle francais! le prix n est pas trop cher et surtout ils peuvent organiser des séjours a la carte selon vos envies! si tu as besoin tu peu avoyer un message a l agence, le site c est www.mongolie-tour.com très sympa, il peuvent même te donner des infos sur la Mongolie!
bon voyage! math
Si je peux vous donner un conseil, vous pouvez faire la découverte de la Mongolie en jonglant entre cheval et voiture, cela permet de faire des balade nature et en même temps de voir des paysages! moi j y suis allé l année dernière, je suis passé par une agence, mongolie-tour, très sympa et pas trop cher, ils ont un guide qui parle francais! le prix n est pas trop cher et surtout ils peuvent organiser des séjours a la carte selon vos envies! si tu as besoin tu peu avoyer un message a l agence, le site c est www.mongolie-tour.com très sympa, il peuvent même te donner des infos sur la Mongolie!
bon voyage! math
Bonjour
On rentre tout juste de Mongolie. On a pris une agence mongole ( http://www.orsosvoyages.com ) pour une randonnée à cheval. Sérieux ( pour 5 touristes, 5 accompagnateurs plus 7 chevaux de bât), francophone et accueil chez les éleveurs. On va moins vite qu'en jeep, mais on voit autre chose.
Cordialement
Ivan
On rentre tout juste de Mongolie. On a pris une agence mongole ( http://www.orsosvoyages.com ) pour une randonnée à cheval. Sérieux ( pour 5 touristes, 5 accompagnateurs plus 7 chevaux de bât), francophone et accueil chez les éleveurs. On va moins vite qu'en jeep, mais on voit autre chose.
Cordialement
Ivan
Bonjour à tous,
j'essaie aussi de prévoir un petit passage en Mongolie d'un quinzaine de jour et je souhaiterai passer par une agence, ou tout du moins circuler en Jeep + guide mais je ne trouve pas d'idée des tarifs, tous les sites d'agences que je vois ne publient pas leur tarifs...
Auriez-vous des indications de prix pour des trips trouvés sur place de 4, 7 ou 14 jours avec guide et jeep svp ?
Merci beaucoup !
j'essaie aussi de prévoir un petit passage en Mongolie d'un quinzaine de jour et je souhaiterai passer par une agence, ou tout du moins circuler en Jeep + guide mais je ne trouve pas d'idée des tarifs, tous les sites d'agences que je vois ne publient pas leur tarifs...
Auriez-vous des indications de prix pour des trips trouvés sur place de 4, 7 ou 14 jours avec guide et jeep svp ?
Merci beaucoup !
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regardes www.mongoliatours.org il y a tarifs c'est a la carte, idee de circuit mais c'est toi qui peut tout construire selon tes desirs. si tu es seul essaye de voir si isl ont des eprsonnes qui voudrient partager qq jours avec toi...cela en coute rien de contacter, de demander et de voir si okay et ideal pour vous..
c'est fiable, honnete, serieux et on fera tout et plsu pour vosu aider, aps de surprise pour els prix, contact avec la anture et les nomadesd assuré du sur emsure avec un chaufferu independant
plsu encore sur la mongolie sur mes apges www.terramongolia.com
bon voyage
plus me contacter
c'est fiable, honnete, serieux et on fera tout et plsu pour vosu aider, aps de surprise pour els prix, contact avec la anture et les nomadesd assuré du sur emsure avec un chaufferu independant
plsu encore sur la mongolie sur mes apges www.terramongolia.com
bon voyage
plus me contacter
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
Bonjour,
j'ai déjà regardé ce site puisqu'il était cité auparavant dans la discussion, il n'y a toujours pas les prix des circuit, la seule indication est 100€ / jour / personne, 1400€ pour un tour de deux semaines donc, ce qui est hors de prix... (en tout cas bien au dessus du budget prévu !).
j'ai déjà regardé ce site puisqu'il était cité auparavant dans la discussion, il n'y a toujours pas les prix des circuit, la seule indication est 100€ / jour / personne, 1400€ pour un tour de deux semaines donc, ce qui est hors de prix... (en tout cas bien au dessus du budget prévu !).
Blog voyage : www.remiglobetrotte.com
Site photo pro : www.remi-photo.com
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il n'y a toujours pas les prix des circuit, la seule indication est 100€ / jour / personne, 1400€ pour un tour de deux semaines donc, ce qui est hors de prix... (en tout cas bien au dessus du budget prévu !).
Il est amplement possible d'organiser un trip en Mongolie avec petits budgets. En se rendant dans la région convoitée par exemple et en négociant une prestation (nettement moins chère) avec une Guest House locale. Ceci n'est pas forcément écrit dans les guides-livres mais bien pratiqué dans la réalité. Il faut un peu plus de temps pour câler tout cela, il y a beaucoup plus d'incertitude au départ du voyage en France mais c'est possible....C'est ce que nous avons fait (en famille) et nous n'étions pas les seuls... cf notre récit à la rubrique "à l'école de l'Himalaya 2009 " de notre site alecoledesandes.com
Il est amplement possible d'organiser un trip en Mongolie avec petits budgets. En se rendant dans la région convoitée par exemple et en négociant une prestation (nettement moins chère) avec une Guest House locale. Ceci n'est pas forcément écrit dans les guides-livres mais bien pratiqué dans la réalité. Il faut un peu plus de temps pour câler tout cela, il y a beaucoup plus d'incertitude au départ du voyage en France mais c'est possible....C'est ce que nous avons fait (en famille) et nous n'étions pas les seuls... cf notre récit à la rubrique "à l'école de l'Himalaya 2009 " de notre site alecoledesandes.com
www.ceciletoulonneau.com
Bonjour
Bien sûr que c'est hors de prix! Il faut effectivement privilégier les associations ou agences locales, en particulier celles qui font travailler les éleveurs et autres locaux, en les rémunérant correctement. Nous avons payé dans les 7 à 800€ pour 15 jours, dont 10 à cheval en autonomie complète: 5 Français, 5 accompagnateurs et guides et 7 chevaux de bât. On peut sans doute trouver moins cher, mais personnellement, je ne voyage pas en exploitant au maximum les populations locales.
Bien sûr que c'est hors de prix! Il faut effectivement privilégier les associations ou agences locales, en particulier celles qui font travailler les éleveurs et autres locaux, en les rémunérant correctement. Nous avons payé dans les 7 à 800€ pour 15 jours, dont 10 à cheval en autonomie complète: 5 Français, 5 accompagnateurs et guides et 7 chevaux de bât. On peut sans doute trouver moins cher, mais personnellement, je ne voyage pas en exploitant au maximum les populations locales.
Bonjour
On peut sans doute trouver moins cher, mais personnellement, je ne voyage pas en exploitant au maximum les populations locales.
Complétement d'accord avec toi sur ce sujet. La prestation que tu cites est nettement plus abordable... Je cherche ici juste à donner une autre vision de la Mongolie, pays récemment ouvert au tourisme (avec tous les excès que cela peut induire), dont les guides (ou web) parlent beaucoup de prestations couteuses qui peuvent décourager plus d'1 voyageur dans ses préparatifs.... Quand nous préparions notre séjour, je ne trouvais quasi que cela. Maintenant que nous en sommes revenus, je témoigne que la Mongolie se prête à des tarifs routards aussi...
Complétement d'accord avec toi sur ce sujet. La prestation que tu cites est nettement plus abordable... Je cherche ici juste à donner une autre vision de la Mongolie, pays récemment ouvert au tourisme (avec tous les excès que cela peut induire), dont les guides (ou web) parlent beaucoup de prestations couteuses qui peuvent décourager plus d'1 voyageur dans ses préparatifs.... Quand nous préparions notre séjour, je ne trouvais quasi que cela. Maintenant que nous en sommes revenus, je témoigne que la Mongolie se prête à des tarifs routards aussi...
www.ceciletoulonneau.com
bien alors on peut aussi découvrir la mongolie à pied.. en vélo... à cheval.. en bus.. faire un séjour chez 1 famille de nomades pendant +sieurs jours et partager la vie traditionnelle avec eux... voir http://aroundzeworld.com
il y a mille et une façon de faire cela selon ses propres critères et budget.
voir aussi avec des tours pré confectionnes par une guest house sur place...mais faire attention avec qui on part aussi voir par ex ce retour d'expérience: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=2096813
en + de tout les conseils reçus voir www.terramongolia.com et qui sait y trouver une ou 2 petites idées pour bien profiter de la mongolie et la découvrir à son rythme sans se ruiner
bon voyage
il y a mille et une façon de faire cela selon ses propres critères et budget.
voir aussi avec des tours pré confectionnes par une guest house sur place...mais faire attention avec qui on part aussi voir par ex ce retour d'expérience: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=2096813
en + de tout les conseils reçus voir www.terramongolia.com et qui sait y trouver une ou 2 petites idées pour bien profiter de la mongolie et la découvrir à son rythme sans se ruiner
bon voyage
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
Salut,
Je suis actuellement en Mongolie, je peux donc te donner des nouvelles "fraiches", les tarifs indiqués sont ceux pratiqués par les grosses agences, ou alors au contraires par les petites agences qui ciblent plus l'ecotourisme et proposent par consequent des accomodations speciales, bref, toujours est il que tu pourras facilement trouver sur Oulan Bator des gens avec qui monter un groupe pour un tour organisé, au pire si tu as vraiment la flemme de chercher, tu pourras toujours passer par des guest house "tourist factory" genre Golden Gobi, qui te dirigeront vers un groupe a completer et qui s'occuperont absolument de toute l'organisation, tu auras seulement a payer, en general pour un groupe, c'est aux alentours de 30 euros/jours/personnes, c'est environs 100 dollar/jour pour la jeep et le chauffeur, a cela il faut rajouter l'essence, assez couteuse ( depend du nombre de km mais c'est du 20 litres aux cent et c'est un peu moins d'un euros le litre...) donc depend du nombre de km que tu veux faire ...
Sinon il existe aussi la solution un peu plus complique mais moins couteuse d'organiser le tout "localement" c'est tout a fait possible mais plus long et moins simple, tu prends un minibus pour le Lac Hovsgol par exemple, et une fois sur place tu trouveras toutes sortes d'infrastructures qui repondront a tes besoins ( ballade a cheval, a pied, decouverte de familles...), tu trouveras ca dans toutes les points touristiques du pays. Apres, personnellement, pour avoir traverse la Mongolie en velo, pour rien au monde lorsque j'y reviendrais, je ne pourrais voyager de cette facon, l'interet de la Mongolie reside sans doute a l'exterieur de ce genre de choses accessibles... A moins que tu viennes pour quelque chose de precis, comme faire un trek a cheval ou tel rando autour de tel lac ou montagne ...
Beaucoup de voyageurs viennent ici et sont déçus par le rythme des tours organisés, il est aussi tout a fait possible de faire un petit tour a pied, ou en louant un cheval, un velo pas loin d'U.B ( Terelj par exemple...) je suis persudadé que dans ce pays, ce n'est pas le "plus je vais loin, plus j'en vois" qui compte, la Mongolie se vit et c'est bien difficile de la vivre a travers un tour organisé.
Ps: je viens de penser aussi que ces conseils sont valables en periode touristiques, je ne sais pas quand tu comptes t'y rendre mais si c'est en hiver, ca risque d'etre beaucoup plus difficile et de necessiter une preparation, je suppose egalement qu'il y aura moins de touristes donc moins de chances de trouver des tours et moins d'infrastructures, de plus avec les conditions climatiques, cela peut engandrer plus de couts... bref a méditer !
Ps: je viens de penser aussi que ces conseils sont valables en periode touristiques, je ne sais pas quand tu comptes t'y rendre mais si c'est en hiver, ca risque d'etre beaucoup plus difficile et de necessiter une preparation, je suppose egalement qu'il y aura moins de touristes donc moins de chances de trouver des tours et moins d'infrastructures, de plus avec les conditions climatiques, cela peut engandrer plus de couts... bref a méditer !
Voyager, c'est bien utile, ça fait travailler l'imagination. Tout le reste n'est que déceptions et fatigues. Céline.
Salut Pierre,
nous sommes 4 copains qui partons aussi un mois en Mongolie en aout. Nous nous sommes pas mal renseigné auprès d'agences, tu peux louer des motos pour 12 euro par jour (150cc de fabrication chinoise). Sinon de notre côté nous avons décidé d'alterner les différents modes de transport pour toucher un peu à tout dans 3 régions différentes: le nord , l'arkhangai et Gobi.
Aymeric
nous sommes 4 copains qui partons aussi un mois en Mongolie en aout. Nous nous sommes pas mal renseigné auprès d'agences, tu peux louer des motos pour 12 euro par jour (150cc de fabrication chinoise). Sinon de notre côté nous avons décidé d'alterner les différents modes de transport pour toucher un peu à tout dans 3 régions différentes: le nord , l'arkhangai et Gobi.
Aymeric
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Hi there, 🙂
I’m thinking of taking a trip to these two countries in 2026 (late spring to early summer).
I’d arrive in Almaty and leave from Bishkek, and I’d be driving myself.
I plan to spend 1 week in Kazakhstan and 2 in Kyrgyzstan. The itinerary isn’t set yet.
My preliminary questions are about formalities, hassle levels, and the car.
From what I understand, no visa is needed, the passport must be valid for 6 months after entry, and there’s no longer a requirement to register with the authorities at each stop. In short, once you’re in, no administrative headaches.
Except for permits needed to drive in certain regions?
---/---
About crossing between the two countries:
- On foot - In a rental car
Quick? Easy?
---/---
Are both countries safe? (Meaning you don’t have to stay on guard all the time.) Are the cops corrupt? (A little, a lot, passionately, not at all?)
---/---
Is it better to rent a car for both countries or rent a vehicle in each country?
A 4x4 or something else?
Is accommodation plentiful enough that I can skip a rooftop tent, or is it better to rent a 4x4 with one?
I’ll definitely have more questions later...😉
Thanks for your answers !
I’m thinking of taking a trip to these two countries in 2026 (late spring to early summer).
I’d arrive in Almaty and leave from Bishkek, and I’d be driving myself.
I plan to spend 1 week in Kazakhstan and 2 in Kyrgyzstan. The itinerary isn’t set yet.
My preliminary questions are about formalities, hassle levels, and the car.
From what I understand, no visa is needed, the passport must be valid for 6 months after entry, and there’s no longer a requirement to register with the authorities at each stop. In short, once you’re in, no administrative headaches.
Except for permits needed to drive in certain regions?
---/---
About crossing between the two countries:
- On foot - In a rental car
Quick? Easy?
---/---
Are both countries safe? (Meaning you don’t have to stay on guard all the time.) Are the cops corrupt? (A little, a lot, passionately, not at all?)
---/---
Is it better to rent a car for both countries or rent a vehicle in each country?
A 4x4 or something else?
Is accommodation plentiful enough that I can skip a rooftop tent, or is it better to rent a 4x4 with one?
I’ll definitely have more questions later...😉
Thanks for your answers !
Bonjour à tous,
Mon compagnon et moi préparons un voyage de 3 semaines au Kazakhstan au mois d'août et nous aimerions avoir vos avis pour affiner notre itinéraire.
Nous pensons consacrer une première partie du voyage à la région d'Almaty, avec notamment les sites suivants :
Singing Barkhan (dune chantante)
Altyn-Emel National Park
Charyn Canyon National Park
Ozora Ushchel'ya Reki Kensu (lacs de la vallée de la rivière Kensu)
éventuellement le parc national d'Ile-Alatau
Dans un second temps, nous aimerions découvrir la région de Mangystau, autour d'Aktau, avec notamment :
Airakty
Tuzbair Salt Lake
Kyzylkup ("Tiramisu")
Gora Bokty
Bozzhyra
Three Brothers Peaks
Nous envisageons de louer un 4x4 dans chacune de ces régions et nous avons plusieurs questions :
Auriez-vous des loueurs de 4x4 fiables à recommander, aussi bien dans la région d'Almaty que dans celle d'Aktau/Mangystau ?
J'ai lu que la région de Mangystau peut être extrêmement chaude en août. Pensez-vous qu'il vaut vraiment mieux commencer par Almaty puis terminer par Aktau pour esperer avoir des temperatures plus cléments (moins extremes😛)? Dans notre cas, faire l'inverse serait plus simple au niveau des vols internationaux et du vol intérieur, et aussi nettement moins cher.
Concernant les lieux listés ci-dessus, y a-t-il selon vous des incontournables à ajouter ou au contraire certains sites qui valent moins le détour ?
Plus généralement, avez-vous des conseils pratiques pour un voyage de 3 semaines au Kazakhstan en août (état des pistes, autonomie en carburant, réservations, météo, sécurité, etc.) ?
Merci beaucoup pour vos retours et vos conseils ! Ps : Nous avons l'habitude de voyager en autonomie et de conduire des 4x4 dans des conditions parfois exigeantes (Namibie, Tanzanie, Bolivie – Sud Lipez, Chili, etc.) et nous sommes également de bons marcheurs, habitués aux treks en autonomie (Patagonie, Huayhuash, Three Peaks au Népal, entre autres). Nous précisons cela simplement pour situer notre niveau d’autonomie sur ce type de voyage.
Singing Barkhan (dune chantante)
Altyn-Emel National Park
Charyn Canyon National Park
Ozora Ushchel'ya Reki Kensu (lacs de la vallée de la rivière Kensu)
éventuellement le parc national d'Ile-Alatau
Dans un second temps, nous aimerions découvrir la région de Mangystau, autour d'Aktau, avec notamment :
Airakty
Tuzbair Salt Lake
Kyzylkup ("Tiramisu")
Gora Bokty
Bozzhyra
Three Brothers Peaks
Nous envisageons de louer un 4x4 dans chacune de ces régions et nous avons plusieurs questions :
Auriez-vous des loueurs de 4x4 fiables à recommander, aussi bien dans la région d'Almaty que dans celle d'Aktau/Mangystau ?
J'ai lu que la région de Mangystau peut être extrêmement chaude en août. Pensez-vous qu'il vaut vraiment mieux commencer par Almaty puis terminer par Aktau pour esperer avoir des temperatures plus cléments (moins extremes😛)? Dans notre cas, faire l'inverse serait plus simple au niveau des vols internationaux et du vol intérieur, et aussi nettement moins cher.
Concernant les lieux listés ci-dessus, y a-t-il selon vous des incontournables à ajouter ou au contraire certains sites qui valent moins le détour ?
Plus généralement, avez-vous des conseils pratiques pour un voyage de 3 semaines au Kazakhstan en août (état des pistes, autonomie en carburant, réservations, météo, sécurité, etc.) ?
Merci beaucoup pour vos retours et vos conseils ! Ps : Nous avons l'habitude de voyager en autonomie et de conduire des 4x4 dans des conditions parfois exigeantes (Namibie, Tanzanie, Bolivie – Sud Lipez, Chili, etc.) et nous sommes également de bons marcheurs, habitués aux treks en autonomie (Patagonie, Huayhuash, Three Peaks au Népal, entre autres). Nous précisons cela simplement pour situer notre niveau d’autonomie sur ce type de voyage.
Estonians have become real pests at the Narva border control.
EER is the Estonian public radio and television service. They have a website, err.ee, with a section in Russian. The other day, on 26.06.2026, in Narva, a Swedish citizen was asked if she had any foreign currency. She mentioned $1,800 USD and 4,400 RUB. However, she was searched, and 21,000 SEK were found in her underwear (!) Here’s what the article says: "They eventually discovered 21,000 Swedish kronor" Maybe the stash seemed suspicious... She tried to backpedal, meaning to return to Estonia with the Swedish kronor, but was fined 280 €:
https://rus.err.ee/1610037940/tamozhenniki-v-narve-oshtrafovali-grazhdanku-shvecii-pytavshujusja-pronesti-v-nizhnem-bele-krony
Earlier this year, on 10.03.2026, a German citizen had 1,820 € found in the lining of her coat. She was denied entry and also fined 480 €.
https://rus.err.ee/1609962977/grazhdanka-germanii-pytalas-provezti-nalichnye-cherez-granicu-v-narve-no-byla-oshtrafovana
Bottom line: if you need to carry cash to exchange, only take USD—and make sure it’s brand new...
EER is the Estonian public radio and television service. They have a website, err.ee, with a section in Russian. The other day, on 26.06.2026, in Narva, a Swedish citizen was asked if she had any foreign currency. She mentioned $1,800 USD and 4,400 RUB. However, she was searched, and 21,000 SEK were found in her underwear (!) Here’s what the article says: "They eventually discovered 21,000 Swedish kronor" Maybe the stash seemed suspicious... She tried to backpedal, meaning to return to Estonia with the Swedish kronor, but was fined 280 €:
https://rus.err.ee/1610037940/tamozhenniki-v-narve-oshtrafovali-grazhdanku-shvecii-pytavshujusja-pronesti-v-nizhnem-bele-krony
Earlier this year, on 10.03.2026, a German citizen had 1,820 € found in the lining of her coat. She was denied entry and also fined 480 €.
https://rus.err.ee/1609962977/grazhdanka-germanii-pytalas-provezti-nalichnye-cherez-granicu-v-narve-no-byla-oshtrafovana
Bottom line: if you need to carry cash to exchange, only take USD—and make sure it’s brand new...
Since last year, the unification of the Russian visa with Belarus has been in effect.
For reference, EU citizens haven’t needed a visa for Belarus for two years. However, it wasn’t possible to travel to Russia. Only Belarusian and Russian citizens could move freely within the union.
With the unified system, if you enter one of the two countries with a visa from either, you can now travel between them freely.
In the case of a Russian visa, it must be a paper visa glued into your passport—not an electronic visa.
This opens up the possibility of traveling to Russia from Lithuania via Minsk, for example, starting from Vilnius.
It also allows for travel circuits that would otherwise be difficult, despite the proximity of the cities.
So, I’m leaving on June 12th for Vilnius. A one-hour flight for around thirty euros with a carry-on bag, and from Vilnius Airport, there’s a bus to Minsk. My planned route for now is Vilnius-Minsk-Smolensk-Vitebsk-Polotsk-Pskov-Riga.

This crosses the Belarus-Russia border three times: from Minsk to Smolensk, then from Smolensk to Vitebsk, and finally from Polotsk to Pskov.
The region of this itinerary was, a thousand years ago, essentially that of the Krivichs, a local Slavic political entity. The term comes from "blood," *krew* in Polish, *krov* in Russian—basically "blood brothers." In Latvian, the word for Russians is *krievu*, by the way. Historically, the region corresponds to some of the old Russian principalities. Later, what marks Belarusian regions in general is, after the Great Schism of 1054, the division between Catholic and Orthodox zones, particularly as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth expanded and contracted. In architecture, this corresponds to variations in Baroque styles, for example.
Vitebsk is known in France as the birthplace of Chagall. Born Russian, he first trained at the art school in Vitebsk, which was also attended by Malevich and Lissitzky, before completing his studies in Saint Petersburg, then moving to Berlin and later Paris. In Paris, Chagall met Cendrars, who had spent three years in Russia before and spoke enough Russian to help the newcomer get by a bit.
Back to the practical travel aspects: a local Pskov newspaper mentions that the Russian and Belarusian governments have a project for a Pskov-Polotsk train line. Previously, there were also plans for lines between Veliky Luki and Vitebsk, and Polotsk. A recently launched railway is Smolensk-Vitebsk, shown in white on the map, with projected lines in blue. https://pln-pskov.ru/society/583817.html https://pln-pskov.ru/society/578335.html
These will likely be "Hirondelle"—that is, *Lastochka*—the fast, spacious regional trains in Russia. Currently, all of this is done by bus, so the train is a very appealing and comfortable option. We’ll see how it goes.

With the unified system, if you enter one of the two countries with a visa from either, you can now travel between them freely.
In the case of a Russian visa, it must be a paper visa glued into your passport—not an electronic visa.
This opens up the possibility of traveling to Russia from Lithuania via Minsk, for example, starting from Vilnius.
It also allows for travel circuits that would otherwise be difficult, despite the proximity of the cities.
So, I’m leaving on June 12th for Vilnius. A one-hour flight for around thirty euros with a carry-on bag, and from Vilnius Airport, there’s a bus to Minsk. My planned route for now is Vilnius-Minsk-Smolensk-Vitebsk-Polotsk-Pskov-Riga.

This crosses the Belarus-Russia border three times: from Minsk to Smolensk, then from Smolensk to Vitebsk, and finally from Polotsk to Pskov.
The region of this itinerary was, a thousand years ago, essentially that of the Krivichs, a local Slavic political entity. The term comes from "blood," *krew* in Polish, *krov* in Russian—basically "blood brothers." In Latvian, the word for Russians is *krievu*, by the way. Historically, the region corresponds to some of the old Russian principalities. Later, what marks Belarusian regions in general is, after the Great Schism of 1054, the division between Catholic and Orthodox zones, particularly as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth expanded and contracted. In architecture, this corresponds to variations in Baroque styles, for example.
Vitebsk is known in France as the birthplace of Chagall. Born Russian, he first trained at the art school in Vitebsk, which was also attended by Malevich and Lissitzky, before completing his studies in Saint Petersburg, then moving to Berlin and later Paris. In Paris, Chagall met Cendrars, who had spent three years in Russia before and spoke enough Russian to help the newcomer get by a bit.
Back to the practical travel aspects: a local Pskov newspaper mentions that the Russian and Belarusian governments have a project for a Pskov-Polotsk train line. Previously, there were also plans for lines between Veliky Luki and Vitebsk, and Polotsk. A recently launched railway is Smolensk-Vitebsk, shown in white on the map, with projected lines in blue. https://pln-pskov.ru/society/583817.html https://pln-pskov.ru/society/578335.html
These will likely be "Hirondelle"—that is, *Lastochka*—the fast, spacious regional trains in Russia. Currently, all of this is done by bus, so the train is a very appealing and comfortable option. We’ll see how it goes.

Hello,
Summer 2026 hasn’t even arrived yet, and I’m already thinking about summer 2027! We’re a family with two kids, who will be 9.5 and 4.5 years old next summer (turning 5 at the end of October 2027, actually). We’d love to spend 19 nights in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan—a part of the world that’s completely new to us. We enjoy traveling, do it often, and the kids are used to it (though we still need a bit of organization and comfort!). Here’s the rough outline of our itinerary: Day 1 - Arrival in Tashkent (ideally in the late afternoon). Head to the train station (by taxi?) to take the overnight sleeper train to Urgench (1 night). Day 2 - Khiva (2 nights): Taxi transfer from the station to the city. Visit Itchan Kala, the walls, and sunset. Day 4 - Head to Bukhara (3 nights) by train (about 6 hours). Visit the historic center, domes, and workshops. Day 7 - On to Samarkand (2 nights), but this time with a private driver. Visit Registan, the necropolis, and local crafts. Day 9 - Head to Osh (1 night) in Kyrgyzstan with the private driver, who’ll drop us at the border. Long transition day (including border crossing). If it’s not too late, visit Osh’s market (otherwise, the next morning). Day 10 - Pick up our rental car (4x4 without a driver this time) and drive to Toktogul (2 nights) and the Suusamyr Valley. Day 12 - Head to the Kochkor region (350 km - 4 nights): Tash Rabat, Song-Kul Lake (yurt stay), and Aigliers. Day 16 - Depart for Karakol/Issyk-Kul (250 km - 4 nights): Jeti-Oguz, Altyn Arashan, beaches, and hot springs. Day 20: Fly home. TOTAL = 19 nights What do you think? Budget-wise:
Flight tickets: 3000 € Uzbekistan logistics (accommodation ideally with a pool for the kids and vehicle): 1600 € Kyrgyzstan logistics (accommodation and 4x4 vehicle like a Pajero/Land Cruiser): 1600 € Living & food: 800 € TOTAL: 7000 €
Does this seem reasonable? Not overestimated or underestimated? Thanks for any feedback or tips from your own experiences.
Summer 2026 hasn’t even arrived yet, and I’m already thinking about summer 2027! We’re a family with two kids, who will be 9.5 and 4.5 years old next summer (turning 5 at the end of October 2027, actually). We’d love to spend 19 nights in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan—a part of the world that’s completely new to us. We enjoy traveling, do it often, and the kids are used to it (though we still need a bit of organization and comfort!). Here’s the rough outline of our itinerary: Day 1 - Arrival in Tashkent (ideally in the late afternoon). Head to the train station (by taxi?) to take the overnight sleeper train to Urgench (1 night). Day 2 - Khiva (2 nights): Taxi transfer from the station to the city. Visit Itchan Kala, the walls, and sunset. Day 4 - Head to Bukhara (3 nights) by train (about 6 hours). Visit the historic center, domes, and workshops. Day 7 - On to Samarkand (2 nights), but this time with a private driver. Visit Registan, the necropolis, and local crafts. Day 9 - Head to Osh (1 night) in Kyrgyzstan with the private driver, who’ll drop us at the border. Long transition day (including border crossing). If it’s not too late, visit Osh’s market (otherwise, the next morning). Day 10 - Pick up our rental car (4x4 without a driver this time) and drive to Toktogul (2 nights) and the Suusamyr Valley. Day 12 - Head to the Kochkor region (350 km - 4 nights): Tash Rabat, Song-Kul Lake (yurt stay), and Aigliers. Day 16 - Depart for Karakol/Issyk-Kul (250 km - 4 nights): Jeti-Oguz, Altyn Arashan, beaches, and hot springs. Day 20: Fly home. TOTAL = 19 nights What do you think? Budget-wise:
Flight tickets: 3000 € Uzbekistan logistics (accommodation ideally with a pool for the kids and vehicle): 1600 € Kyrgyzstan logistics (accommodation and 4x4 vehicle like a Pajero/Land Cruiser): 1600 € Living & food: 800 € TOTAL: 7000 €
Does this seem reasonable? Not overestimated or underestimated? Thanks for any feedback or tips from your own experiences.
Hi there,
I’ve never bought a SIM card abroad or even used prepaid cards in France...
So I’m wondering how it all works?
You buy a SIM card and pop it into your phone. Okay, so far so good... 😏
But after that?
I can’t find the price of prepaid cards or how they work with MegaCom.
If someone could give me a step-by-step guide... 😊
Thanks! 🙂
I’ve never bought a SIM card abroad or even used prepaid cards in France...
So I’m wondering how it all works?
You buy a SIM card and pop it into your phone. Okay, so far so good... 😏
But after that?
I can’t find the price of prepaid cards or how they work with MegaCom.
If someone could give me a step-by-step guide... 😊
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there! 🙂
I’m not planning to bring all my meals for the 3 weeks of travel, but I’d like to spice up my picnic lunches and a few dinners in this country that’s not exactly known for its cuisine...
I’ve seen that fruits and vegetables are easy to find. Bread is also no problem.
I’m a bit unsure about the local cheese, but I’ll manage.
Actually, it’s what I’d put in my sandwiches that I’d like to pack: cured sausage, pâtés.
Are these foods allowed through customs?
Also, I’m thinking that bringing 3-4 freeze-dried meals could be a good option. I’ve never bought any before. Which brands are the most flavorful?
I’ve also noticed that real coffee is rare. (Meaning Kyrgyz people drink Nescafé. Sacrilege!) Can I easily find coffee there to make my own?
Finally, which supermarket chain is the best? (Meaning the one with the most variety and, above all, quality!)
Last question: where can I buy a gas stove in Bishkek? (I’ve heard that local gas canisters aren’t compatible with the stove I already own)
Thanks!
I’m not planning to bring all my meals for the 3 weeks of travel, but I’d like to spice up my picnic lunches and a few dinners in this country that’s not exactly known for its cuisine...
I’ve seen that fruits and vegetables are easy to find. Bread is also no problem.
I’m a bit unsure about the local cheese, but I’ll manage.
Actually, it’s what I’d put in my sandwiches that I’d like to pack: cured sausage, pâtés.
Are these foods allowed through customs?
Also, I’m thinking that bringing 3-4 freeze-dried meals could be a good option. I’ve never bought any before. Which brands are the most flavorful?
I’ve also noticed that real coffee is rare. (Meaning Kyrgyz people drink Nescafé. Sacrilege!) Can I easily find coffee there to make my own?
Finally, which supermarket chain is the best? (Meaning the one with the most variety and, above all, quality!)
Last question: where can I buy a gas stove in Bishkek? (I’ve heard that local gas canisters aren’t compatible with the stove I already own)
Thanks!
I was lucky enough to spend two stays in Tajikistan between October and November 2025. I met Fayziddin, who’s a French-speaking guide and very knowledgeable—he really knows how to share his love for his country and his valley. He’ll welcome you to his village and, in the future, to a hostel that’s currently under construction. I can’t recommend him enough!
Hi there,
We’re planning to explore Uzbekistan this summer (with the weather constraints that come with it). Our itinerary includes the three classic cities plus a few side trips here and there. We still have one week left that we’d like to dedicate to hiking. We were thinking of heading to Kyrgyzstan, but I’m open to other suggestions if we stay in Uzbekistan. Thanks!
Hi everyone!
I wanted to share my experience from the trip I had this summer in Mongolia, in case it helps anyone get their bearings—I also relied a lot on forums myself.
We went as a couple with a French-speaking guide, Hacha, for a 17-day trek through the steppes and the Gobi Desert.
The experience was amazing—the landscapes are truly diverse and stunning. We started with a quick visit to Ulaanbaatar, then headed into the steppes for half the trip, including the Orkhon Valley, before moving on to the desert, which isn’t just sand but has incredibly varied scenery.
We traveled with Hacha, who has been a guide for 27 years and knows Mongolia inside out. She was accompanied by her daughter (with our consent). Hacha teaches French the rest of the year and speaks it perfectly. Her kindness and humor were much appreciated, and she’s become a friend. She prepared delicious homemade meals throughout the trip, adapted to European tastes since she’s used to it. We also had a driver who was really friendly and professional.
I injured myself on the way there with a sprained ankle, and Hacha immediately adjusted the pace and some activities to accommodate my injury, as well as booking more comfortable lodgings for the first few nights. She didn’t tell us it cost her extra, and we only found out later—we chose to pay a supplement, but she never asked for anything. Hacha was very fair with money, and her rates seem a bit lower than what we’d found elsewhere. She also tailors the program to the budget we gave her, and we had the option to adjust accommodations to fit our budget.
As for lodging, we stayed in tourist yurt camps (more comfortable with restaurants, showers, etc.), guest yurts, nights with nomadic families, and a few nights in tents. Our most memorable experience was two nights with nomads who welcomed us warmly, even though it was only the second time they’d hosted tourists. They shared their traditions with us, and the location was beautiful—right by a lake.
Hacha also adapted to our last-minute requests. For example, I mentioned wanting to see a shaman, which was tricky since it wasn’t planned in advance (my fault for not bringing it up earlier), but she used her contacts to see if there was a possibility. Unfortunately, no shamans were available, but we spontaneously stopped by the family of a young shaman during one of our trips. She wasn’t there, but we got to hear her parents’ stories and ask questions about the rituals to become a shaman and their experiences. It was a rare and unique moment I won’t forget!
We’ll definitely return to Mongolia as a family to explore less touristy regions (though we weren’t really bothered by tourism), as Hacha offers other off-the-beaten-path itineraries, including one that visits a turquoise lake surrounded by sand dunes—which sounds incredible, according to her.
I highly recommend Mongolia to anyone looking for an authentic trip that pushes you slightly out of your comfort zone while still feeling safe and enjoying breathtakingly diverse landscapes. And I 100% recommend Hacha—she created a personalized trip based on our requests and adapted to our needs and wishes on the spot!
I wanted to share my experience from the trip I had this summer in Mongolia, in case it helps anyone get their bearings—I also relied a lot on forums myself.
We went as a couple with a French-speaking guide, Hacha, for a 17-day trek through the steppes and the Gobi Desert.
The experience was amazing—the landscapes are truly diverse and stunning. We started with a quick visit to Ulaanbaatar, then headed into the steppes for half the trip, including the Orkhon Valley, before moving on to the desert, which isn’t just sand but has incredibly varied scenery.
We traveled with Hacha, who has been a guide for 27 years and knows Mongolia inside out. She was accompanied by her daughter (with our consent). Hacha teaches French the rest of the year and speaks it perfectly. Her kindness and humor were much appreciated, and she’s become a friend. She prepared delicious homemade meals throughout the trip, adapted to European tastes since she’s used to it. We also had a driver who was really friendly and professional.
I injured myself on the way there with a sprained ankle, and Hacha immediately adjusted the pace and some activities to accommodate my injury, as well as booking more comfortable lodgings for the first few nights. She didn’t tell us it cost her extra, and we only found out later—we chose to pay a supplement, but she never asked for anything. Hacha was very fair with money, and her rates seem a bit lower than what we’d found elsewhere. She also tailors the program to the budget we gave her, and we had the option to adjust accommodations to fit our budget.
As for lodging, we stayed in tourist yurt camps (more comfortable with restaurants, showers, etc.), guest yurts, nights with nomadic families, and a few nights in tents. Our most memorable experience was two nights with nomads who welcomed us warmly, even though it was only the second time they’d hosted tourists. They shared their traditions with us, and the location was beautiful—right by a lake.
Hacha also adapted to our last-minute requests. For example, I mentioned wanting to see a shaman, which was tricky since it wasn’t planned in advance (my fault for not bringing it up earlier), but she used her contacts to see if there was a possibility. Unfortunately, no shamans were available, but we spontaneously stopped by the family of a young shaman during one of our trips. She wasn’t there, but we got to hear her parents’ stories and ask questions about the rituals to become a shaman and their experiences. It was a rare and unique moment I won’t forget!
We’ll definitely return to Mongolia as a family to explore less touristy regions (though we weren’t really bothered by tourism), as Hacha offers other off-the-beaten-path itineraries, including one that visits a turquoise lake surrounded by sand dunes—which sounds incredible, according to her.
I highly recommend Mongolia to anyone looking for an authentic trip that pushes you slightly out of your comfort zone while still feeling safe and enjoying breathtakingly diverse landscapes. And I 100% recommend Hacha—she created a personalized trip based on our requests and adapted to our needs and wishes on the spot!
Hi there,
After making good use of the tips on this site, I’m now adding my own contribution.
We’ve just returned from 25 days exploring Mongolia.
A trip that took us from the capital to the Gobi Desert, from the ancient capital Karakhorum to the Orkhon Valley, and also off the beaten path to places close to nature and nomadic life, all thanks to our guide Hacha.
I’m used to traveling as a couple or solo, in "backpacker" mode, and I rarely—or only occasionally—hire a guide. But this time, I have to admit that choosing a guide-interpreter and a driver was an excellent idea.
We set off as a group of four to share the costs. I’d spoken with Hacha, a Mongolian who used to work at the French Alliance, speaks perfect French, and has been organizing trips for over 25 years.
Needless to say, she knows her job inside out and has built strong relationships with nomadic families over the years. Since she only works with small groups, she can steer clear of the main tourist spots. With her help, we were able to personalize our itinerary—and even adjust it as we went along. For example, we’d planned to attend the Naadam festival in a small town, but we found out there was another festival two days later that wasn’t on the schedule. So we tweaked our route to catch both, and we didn’t regret it.
Anyway, if you’d like more details or Hacha’s contact info, feel free to reach out.
I took a few days to get some fresh air outside the Schengen-NATO prison. Between March 18, 2026, and March 25, 2026, as shown by the passport stamps:

Borisoglebsk is the Russian border checkpoint after Kirkenes, on the road to Murmansk.
Kirkenes is a tiny town with a correspondingly small airport. Nothing has changed there: the minibuses to Murmansk wait on the right as you exit the airport. They’re synchronized with the two daily flights from Oslo—the SAS around 11:00 AM and Norwegian around 11:30 AM. They stop in Kirkenes at the corner of the Scandic for an hour, where other passengers can board, then head straight to the nearby border.
This is the least hassle Frontex/Schengen border. The Norwegian agent quickly scans your passport, and that’s it. No customs, since Norway is Schengen but not in the EU. On the Russian side, there’s a passport check and a quick customs inspection. All in all, crossing both the Norwegian and Russian checkpoints takes about 15 minutes.
A paper visa is required; e-visas aren’t accepted.
Two companies run the route: Avto Ekspress and Borodin: https://ae51.ru/routes/kirkenes-murmansk/ https://borodinbus.com/
The one-way fare is 5,500 ₽. You can either buy it online in rubles with a MIR card or make a formal reservation and pay in NOK cash to the driver. I took Borodin, and the price in NOK was much more expensive than in ₽.
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On March 25, I left from Pskov via the Estonian border post at Luhaama. I spent three days in Murmansk, flew to St. Petersburg (SPB), stayed there for two days, then took an evening train to Pskov.
Since the end of February—and reportedly until the end of May—the Estonians have restricted the opening hours of the two border crossings near Pskov: Koidula (Pechory on the Russian side) and Luhaama (Izborsk on the Russian side). They’re closed at night between 7:00 PM and 7:00 AM. Right now, there’s a bus from Pskov at 7:00 AM to the border. It drops you off at the end of the road where truckers—many Kazakh and Serbian—are parked on the side. You finish the rest on foot to the barrier, where there’s a quick initial check for Ukrainian stamps in passports. Then you walk to the customs building, followed by passport control at the kiosk for motorists. After that, it’s a 500-meter walk to the Estonian checkpoint. At the moment, things seem calmer. Passport control is quick. The usual silly questions in English: "Where were you? Where are you going?" I just gave my most clueless smile: "Sorry, I don’t understand." Yeah, right—I don’t speak English, especially not at an Estonian border with a French passport. If they’re in a mood, though... A very quick bag inspection. Once you exit the Estonian post, walk to the bus stop sign by the road where another coach takes you to Riga.
The catch: in my case, last Wednesday, there were two passengers (Russians) with old Ukrainian stamps in their passports. The bus from the Estonian post to Riga was supposed to leave around 9:30 AM. We ended up leaving around noon after the two were grilled by the FSB. Since it was a weekday outside of holidays, the bus was half-empty. The fuller the bus and the more people with Ukrainian stamps, the worse the nightmare. Don’t book a same-day flight from Riga. I had a flight at 6:00 PM, so it worked out.
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The Kirkenes-Murmansk route is still clearly the easiest and fastest. But it’s not the most convenient since it’s way up north.
Next, I’d say the Gdansk-Kaliningrad route in the middle of the week. Avoid weekends and holiday departures/returns.
Avoid the Narva-Ivangorod route during Christmas, Easter, May 9, and *all* summer.
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About flights from Murmansk to St. Petersburg: prices are good. I bought my ticket the day before departure on Rossiya for 7,500 ₽, including 10 kg of luggage + a handbag.

It’s the tail end of the northern lights season, and there were still crowds of Chinese tourists.

By the way, Murmansk is twinned with Harbin:

Chinese tourists are the largest foreign group, followed by Indians, then a mix of others from the Far East, Turks, Arabs, etc. Brochures are bilingual—Russian and Chinese:

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But let’s talk practical stuff. --
My domestic SIM card was restricted for SMS and internet for 24 hours. After that, if you want to keep using SMS, don’t turn off your phone—restarting triggers another 24-hour purgatory.
My Russian SIM cards (Megafon, MTS, Beeline) were activated as soon as I logged into their respective apps with my credentials.
Internet --
Telegram is heavily slowed down by authorities. To use it, you need to connect through proxy servers, which you load into the latest version of the app. Traffic is then rerouted internally within Telegram to servers outside Russia (Germany, Poland, Sweden, etc.). You can find these proxies on various channels. One is ChatVPN—check their website too.
For general internet use, like browsing the web, VPNs that work right now use the VLESS protocol. You can find several on Telegram by searching "VPN." A few free days, then payment in rubles or crypto.
Rozkomnadzor’s team are experts at this, so things can change. It’s a constant cat-and-mouse game.
Pskov is a special case. The city is near Estonia and has a large military base. Depending on NATO drone swarms launched from the Baltics, Wi-Fi can be completely suspended except for the most essential mobile apps. The drone swarms use the 4G network, and the powerful electronic jamming and drone suppression systems cause periods without Wi-Fi—including in hotels. Wired connections aren’t affected.

Borisoglebsk is the Russian border checkpoint after Kirkenes, on the road to Murmansk.
Kirkenes is a tiny town with a correspondingly small airport. Nothing has changed there: the minibuses to Murmansk wait on the right as you exit the airport. They’re synchronized with the two daily flights from Oslo—the SAS around 11:00 AM and Norwegian around 11:30 AM. They stop in Kirkenes at the corner of the Scandic for an hour, where other passengers can board, then head straight to the nearby border.
This is the least hassle Frontex/Schengen border. The Norwegian agent quickly scans your passport, and that’s it. No customs, since Norway is Schengen but not in the EU. On the Russian side, there’s a passport check and a quick customs inspection. All in all, crossing both the Norwegian and Russian checkpoints takes about 15 minutes.
A paper visa is required; e-visas aren’t accepted.
Two companies run the route: Avto Ekspress and Borodin: https://ae51.ru/routes/kirkenes-murmansk/ https://borodinbus.com/
The one-way fare is 5,500 ₽. You can either buy it online in rubles with a MIR card or make a formal reservation and pay in NOK cash to the driver. I took Borodin, and the price in NOK was much more expensive than in ₽.
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On March 25, I left from Pskov via the Estonian border post at Luhaama. I spent three days in Murmansk, flew to St. Petersburg (SPB), stayed there for two days, then took an evening train to Pskov.
Since the end of February—and reportedly until the end of May—the Estonians have restricted the opening hours of the two border crossings near Pskov: Koidula (Pechory on the Russian side) and Luhaama (Izborsk on the Russian side). They’re closed at night between 7:00 PM and 7:00 AM. Right now, there’s a bus from Pskov at 7:00 AM to the border. It drops you off at the end of the road where truckers—many Kazakh and Serbian—are parked on the side. You finish the rest on foot to the barrier, where there’s a quick initial check for Ukrainian stamps in passports. Then you walk to the customs building, followed by passport control at the kiosk for motorists. After that, it’s a 500-meter walk to the Estonian checkpoint. At the moment, things seem calmer. Passport control is quick. The usual silly questions in English: "Where were you? Where are you going?" I just gave my most clueless smile: "Sorry, I don’t understand." Yeah, right—I don’t speak English, especially not at an Estonian border with a French passport. If they’re in a mood, though... A very quick bag inspection. Once you exit the Estonian post, walk to the bus stop sign by the road where another coach takes you to Riga.
The catch: in my case, last Wednesday, there were two passengers (Russians) with old Ukrainian stamps in their passports. The bus from the Estonian post to Riga was supposed to leave around 9:30 AM. We ended up leaving around noon after the two were grilled by the FSB. Since it was a weekday outside of holidays, the bus was half-empty. The fuller the bus and the more people with Ukrainian stamps, the worse the nightmare. Don’t book a same-day flight from Riga. I had a flight at 6:00 PM, so it worked out.
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The Kirkenes-Murmansk route is still clearly the easiest and fastest. But it’s not the most convenient since it’s way up north.
Next, I’d say the Gdansk-Kaliningrad route in the middle of the week. Avoid weekends and holiday departures/returns.
Avoid the Narva-Ivangorod route during Christmas, Easter, May 9, and *all* summer.
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About flights from Murmansk to St. Petersburg: prices are good. I bought my ticket the day before departure on Rossiya for 7,500 ₽, including 10 kg of luggage + a handbag.

It’s the tail end of the northern lights season, and there were still crowds of Chinese tourists.

By the way, Murmansk is twinned with Harbin:

Chinese tourists are the largest foreign group, followed by Indians, then a mix of others from the Far East, Turks, Arabs, etc. Brochures are bilingual—Russian and Chinese:

============================
But let’s talk practical stuff. --
My domestic SIM card was restricted for SMS and internet for 24 hours. After that, if you want to keep using SMS, don’t turn off your phone—restarting triggers another 24-hour purgatory.
My Russian SIM cards (Megafon, MTS, Beeline) were activated as soon as I logged into their respective apps with my credentials.
Internet --
Telegram is heavily slowed down by authorities. To use it, you need to connect through proxy servers, which you load into the latest version of the app. Traffic is then rerouted internally within Telegram to servers outside Russia (Germany, Poland, Sweden, etc.). You can find these proxies on various channels. One is ChatVPN—check their website too.
For general internet use, like browsing the web, VPNs that work right now use the VLESS protocol. You can find several on Telegram by searching "VPN." A few free days, then payment in rubles or crypto.
Rozkomnadzor’s team are experts at this, so things can change. It’s a constant cat-and-mouse game.
Pskov is a special case. The city is near Estonia and has a large military base. Depending on NATO drone swarms launched from the Baltics, Wi-Fi can be completely suspended except for the most essential mobile apps. The drone swarms use the 4G network, and the powerful electronic jamming and drone suppression systems cause periods without Wi-Fi—including in hotels. Wired connections aren’t affected.
Hi there,
I’m planning to visit Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan in early June, assuming the war doesn’t spread ??? Could anyone give me some info about the eastern border after visiting Charyn Canyon? First, is it possible to head east using public transport, or should I book a tour from Almaty and stay in the east to continue on to Kyrgyzstan toward Karakol? (I mean, not return to Almaty with the tour.) It’s a bit of a vague question, but those who’ve been there will know what I’m talking about;
Thanks!
Patrice
I’m planning to visit Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan in early June, assuming the war doesn’t spread ??? Could anyone give me some info about the eastern border after visiting Charyn Canyon? First, is it possible to head east using public transport, or should I book a tour from Almaty and stay in the east to continue on to Kyrgyzstan toward Karakol? (I mean, not return to Almaty with the tour.) It’s a bit of a vague question, but those who’ve been there will know what I’m talking about;
Thanks!
Patrice
Hello,
New year, new questions...😛
Since the Chinese highway isn’t finished yet (opening postponed year after year), I’m wondering what condition this track is in come June?
I’m a bit worried that the snowmelt might completely soak the track—or even that the snow might still be clinging to the mountainside near the pass...
Thanks 🙂
New year, new questions...😛
Since the Chinese highway isn’t finished yet (opening postponed year after year), I’m wondering what condition this track is in come June?
I’m a bit worried that the snowmelt might completely soak the track—or even that the snow might still be clinging to the mountainside near the pass...
Thanks 🙂
Hi,
Does anyone know if the travel agency "NOUVINI" in Tashkent still exists???
Or do you have another agency to recommend???
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
Jean Pierre
Hi there,
We’re a group of 4 people who prefer to travel independently but also want to use local guides at different stages of our trip.
My question is: should we plan to hire a different guide for each stage, or just one guide for all the different legs? We’re planning to travel between stages either by taxi or public transport (train, plane…).
Our itinerary is pretty classic (3 weeks):
Visit Tashkent
Tashkent – Ferghana Valley (by train)
Explore the valley and return to Tashkent with a guide and taxi
Tashkent – Nukus (flight)
Nukus – Khiva by taxi + guide for Khiva visit
Khiva – Bukhara by taxi + guide for Bukhara visit
Bukhara – Lake Aydar Kul – Samarkand by taxi + guide for Samarkand
Samarkand – Tashkent (by train).
Is the cost reasonable for the transfers between stages? Also, I’m open to any suggestions or tips (recommended guides, etc.).
Thanks!
Bernard
Hi there,
I’d like to spend 2–3 days in the Korgaljyn area in May to photograph flamingos and other birds.
I’ll be in Astana and I’m looking for a tour that includes accommodation so I can stay for 2 days.
I’ve found the buses from Astana and info about the park’s facilities, but no accommodation or guided outings.
Has anyone done this?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Did you attend the show at the Nadir Divan Begi Madrasa in Bukhara? What are the details for booking? Thanks in advance.
Have a great day and happy travels!
Danielle
Hi,
Planning a solo trip to Kyrgyzstan in May. Any tips or info?
Thanks
Planning a solo trip to Kyrgyzstan in May. Any tips or info?
Thanks
Hi everyone, happy to be back on VF!
I’ll be in Uzbekistan this coming April and will of course visit the three classics—Samarkand, Bukhara, and Khiva. However, I’d also love to get out of these cities to explore the Uzbek countryside and experience its nature. Mountains, steppes, etc. Ideally, with some great hikes passing through villages. Any spots you’d recommend? Thanks in advance
Hi,
We were wondering if anyone has recently experienced the Tashkent / Fergana Valley route by bus or taxi?
We’re landing in Tashkent at 10:30 PM with our international flight. To head to Fergana the next day, the only trains available are very early in the morning or very late in the evening (arriving at 11:30 PM in Fergana). So, we’d like to avoid that mode of transport if possible to spend half a day in Tashkent and relax a bit.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re heading to Saint Petersburg from June 30 to July 7, 2026, and we’ll be arriving late (9 PM) at our hotel on June 30. Unfortunately, the hotel can’t pick us up from the train station. Is it easy to get a taxi at Saint Petersburg coach station?
Thanks for your help!
Hi,
We’d like to know if it’s easy to visit the Sarmych-Sai gorges from Bukhara as a day trip. Do homestays and hotels offer this?
Thanks
Hello,
We’re a senior couple planning to spend around 3 weeks in Uzbekistan, either starting at the end of March or mid-April. We’ll begin in Khiva (Urgench) and finish in Tashkent (via Termez). We prefer traveling independently as much as possible, at our own pace, and are considering hiring drivers for specific legs of our journey.
Here’s our rough itinerary:
4 nights in Khiva
4 in Bukhara
5 or 6 in Samarkand (we’d like to do a day trip to the Seven Lakes in Tajikistan)
2 in Termez
Then Tashkent and the Fergana Valley
2 in Tashkent
Does this seem balanced? Any suggestions? We’re not planning to go as far as the Aral Sea or stay in a yurt camp.
Is the weather favorable at the end of March (risk of rain)? Or would mid-April be better?
What’s the typical cost for a driver’s services?
Thank you in advance for any tips that could help us with our plans.
Andrea
Hi,
I just read the various discussions about the photo tax that’s being asked for in Uzbekistan, but that info is from 2016/2017. I’m leaving next week for Tashkent/Samarkand/Bukhara/Khiva, and I’ve been told a 50 USD tax is required for photos. I really get the feeling this is a "forced sale" and an exorbitant amount. Have any of you paid this tax recently? Thanks
Hi,
In two weeks, we’re arriving in Tashkent around 1 a.m. I don’t think my hotel accepts Mastercard—is it better to bring dollars to pay, or will I be able to withdraw some som there?
Same question: I don’t think I’ll be able to buy an eSIM at 1 a.m., but has anyone seen it done that late?
Thanks.
In two weeks, we’re arriving in Tashkent around 1 a.m. I don’t think my hotel accepts Mastercard—is it better to bring dollars to pay, or will I be able to withdraw some som there?
Same question: I don’t think I’ll be able to buy an eSIM at 1 a.m., but has anyone seen it done that late?
Thanks.
Hi everyone,
I’m landing at Urgench Airport at 7:10 AM and I’d like to get to Nukus, but I’m not sure how. There’s supposedly a bus (no. 748?), but I can’t find its schedule or departure point (airport, city center?). If any of you have done this route before, I’d love some info.
Have a great day
Hi there,
We're planning a trip from Astana to Dushanbe. By train across Kazakhstan, then using public transport in Kyrgyzstan (circling Lake Issyk-Kul) and Tajikistan, taking the northern route in the latter (from Khujand to Dushanbe).
Have any of you been to these regions recently, and what do you think about the safety aspect?
Thanks in advance! :)
Hi there,
After a long absence, I’m back on this forum where I used to post under the username NealMorse (mostly about off-the-beaten-path spots in the American West...).
I’m planning a trip to Uzbekistan—details still up in the air (8–10 days)—but I’d love to combine it with a stop in Kazakhstan at Mangystau (5–7 days).
One of my main reasons for traveling is to seek out and photograph deserts, especially dramatic landscapes. Mangystau fits the bill perfectly!
Has anyone here got any tips for this trip, especially how to connect the two countries? Thanks in advance
I’m planning a trip to Uzbekistan—details still up in the air (8–10 days)—but I’d love to combine it with a stop in Kazakhstan at Mangystau (5–7 days).
One of my main reasons for traveling is to seek out and photograph deserts, especially dramatic landscapes. Mangystau fits the bill perfectly!
Has anyone here got any tips for this trip, especially how to connect the two countries? Thanks in advance
Hi there, we’re heading to Uzbekistan to explore the cities of Khiva, Bukhara, Samarkand, and Tashkent. Do you have any contact details for French- or English-speaking guides?
Thanks
EH




