Delta de l'Orénoque et plages côté Morrocoy au Vénézuela en famille
by Nath31
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Nous comptons partir 15 jours au Vénézuela au mois de février 2007 avec nos enfants de 9 et 11 ans. Nous souhaitons faire le delta de l'Orénoque et les plages côté Morrocoy. Avez vous des infos à me communiquer ? Posadas ? Merci de votre aide.
Je suis allé dans le delta de l'orénoque il y 3 semaines. J'étais chez "Roger" à PIACOA. Je crois qu'il est indiqué dans le petit futé. En tout cas, je te recommande cette adresse. On est très bien accueillie. Quand j'y étais, nous étions seul dans la posada et Roger connait parfaitement le le delta. Nous avons fait 3 jours d'excursions avec lui, c'etait vraiment bien.
Merci pour l'info, peux-tu me dire le prix approximatif des excursions sur 3 jours et le prix de la nuit chez Roger ?
Oui, nous avons vu énormément d'animaux! c'est incroyable la diversité de la faune et de la flore la bas. On a vu des singes, des caimans, des dauphins roses, des serpents, des oiseaux de toutes sortes (Hoazin, aigles, cygognes, martins pecheurs...), on a péché des pirhanas. Bref, il manquait plus que l'anaconda. La végétation est elle aussi époustouflante, On passe dans des endroits tres reculés avec la barque, Roger ouvre meme certaines voies avec nous.
On a payé 210 $ par personne pour les 3 jours plus 40 $ de taxi pour rejoindre Piacoa depuis ciudad bolivar. La Posada est tres charmante et vraiment calme. La nuit on entend les singes hurleurs dans sa chambre.
c'est vraiment une bonne adresse.
🙂
c'est vraiment une bonne adresse.
🙂
Je suis parti en excursion dans le delta depuis tucupita. Trip famille, on était 5.
A tucupita, il y a 3 hotels :Amacuro : pas trop clean, pas trop saleSans souci : haitien tres sympa. hotel clean et agreablePequeno : vieille dame grincheuse mais adorable quand meme. hotel pourrave, mais propre
Tous plus ou moins a 10000 bolos par tete par nuit. Je choisirai le sans souci
Pour l'excursion on est passé par un pirata. j'ai ses coordonnées si cela t'intéresse.
Pirata = mec à son compte. Du coup, plus rustique et plus a l arrache que les agences, mais moins cher.
On a payé 700 000 bol pour 2 jours. Après il peut faire 3, 4, 5 jours à la demande. Ce qui fait 70000 par tête/par jour (28 dollars).
Les agences prennent 80 dollars par jours.
notre gar était très bien. On était dans des hamacs dans un village sur pilotis d'indiens waraos, très bien pour la bouffe, on était juste la famille sur le bateau, ce qui nous a enchanté (même si on s'était mis d'accord là dessus). En agence, t'aurais dormi dans un lit et pour avoir croisé des bateaux, tu aurais pu être 10 ou 15 sur le bateau.
On a choppé du caiman de nuit, fais de la pirogue avec les waraos, des tarentules, des singes, des perroquets, toucans. On pensait voir plus d animaux/oiseaux, mais saison des pluies oblige...
j'ai été très déçu par Morrocoy, même si les îlots sont très jolis : corail mort, plus de poisson et assez sale. Par contre, enchanté par Mochima. Si tu vas à Morrocoy, le tour organisé par les posadas est nul (30 000 par tête). Négocie directement ton lanchero a l embarcadere si vous êtres 4 (a 70000 tu peux aller sur l ilot le plus loin, et en rajoutant un peu, tu fais ce que tu veux). J'étais a la posada Amigos del mar (patron allemand con et chiant, mais tu le vois que pour le fric). pas de clim mais y a jardin et cuisine (sympa pour se faire un bon poisson ou crevettes comme on l'aime).
j'ai été très déçu par Morrocoy, même si les îlots sont très jolis : corail mort, plus de poisson et assez sale. Par contre, enchanté par Mochima. Si tu vas à Morrocoy, le tour organisé par les posadas est nul (30 000 par tête). Négocie directement ton lanchero a l embarcadere si vous êtres 4 (a 70000 tu peux aller sur l ilot le plus loin, et en rajoutant un peu, tu fais ce que tu veux). J'étais a la posada Amigos del mar (patron allemand con et chiant, mais tu le vois que pour le fric). pas de clim mais y a jardin et cuisine (sympa pour se faire un bon poisson ou crevettes comme on l'aime).
Merci pour avoir pris le temps de me donner toutes ces infos !!!!
Salut Curucucu,
je pars dans un mois pour 3 semaines au Vénézuéla avec 3 amis. On aimerait bien faire un tour dans le delta de l'Oneroque, sans que ça nous coûte un pont. Pourrais-tu STP me donner les coordonnées du 'pirata' qui a organisé votre tour?
On compte commencer notre voyage par un trek du côté de Mérida. On compte faire du camping dans la montagne. Si des personnes parmi vous ont déjà fait cette expérience, comment était-ce?
Et après la deuxième étape dans le delta de l'Onéroque, on terminerait par Mochima. D'après ce que j'ai lu, tout le monde s'accorde pour dire que c'est vraiment beau. Si vous avez des trucs ou astuces, n'hésitez pas à me les communiquer, merci d'avance!
Seb
je pars dans un mois pour 3 semaines au Vénézuéla avec 3 amis. On aimerait bien faire un tour dans le delta de l'Oneroque, sans que ça nous coûte un pont. Pourrais-tu STP me donner les coordonnées du 'pirata' qui a organisé votre tour?
On compte commencer notre voyage par un trek du côté de Mérida. On compte faire du camping dans la montagne. Si des personnes parmi vous ont déjà fait cette expérience, comment était-ce?
Et après la deuxième étape dans le delta de l'Onéroque, on terminerait par Mochima. D'après ce que j'ai lu, tout le monde s'accorde pour dire que c'est vraiment beau. Si vous avez des trucs ou astuces, n'hésitez pas à me les communiquer, merci d'avance!
Seb
Je te retrouve le numero du gar a Tucupita et te l'envoie.
Par rapport à Mochima, il y a 2 endroits pour acceder au plages du parc : Santa Fe et Mochima. Santa Fe est un vrai village, meme s'il n'y a pas grand chose, alors que Mochima fait plus penser a une base du parc, avec encore moins de choses (pas de bar, plus de touristes). Mochima reste le meilleur point d'accès aux plages. Sinon, tu peux plonger pour 150 000 bolos et acheter du rouget a 12 000 ! Tu peux aussi camper sur certaines plages je crois.
Pour Merida, il y a des jolis treks à faire, mais je n'ai pas campé. Pas de problèmes de ce côté là.
Par rapport à Mochima, il y a 2 endroits pour acceder au plages du parc : Santa Fe et Mochima. Santa Fe est un vrai village, meme s'il n'y a pas grand chose, alors que Mochima fait plus penser a une base du parc, avec encore moins de choses (pas de bar, plus de touristes). Mochima reste le meilleur point d'accès aux plages. Sinon, tu peux plonger pour 150 000 bolos et acheter du rouget a 12 000 ! Tu peux aussi camper sur certaines plages je crois.
Pour Merida, il y a des jolis treks à faire, mais je n'ai pas campé. Pas de problèmes de ce côté là.
Merci beaucoup pour les infos!
C'est clair qu'on comptait de toutes façons passer par un 'pirata' donc, si tu en connais un de confiance, c'est cool! Cool qu'on puisse plonger aussi. Tu l'as fait? Y a-t-il de jolies choses à voir, beaucoup de vie aquatique?
Merci d'avance pour les infos et à bientôt,
C'est clair qu'on comptait de toutes façons passer par un 'pirata' donc, si tu en connais un de confiance, c'est cool! Cool qu'on puisse plonger aussi. Tu l'as fait? Y a-t-il de jolies choses à voir, beaucoup de vie aquatique?
Merci d'avance pour les infos et à bientôt,
Bonjour,
Nous etions chez "Roger" (aka "Sacaroco Tours" ... mais qui change de nom souvent pour des raisons fiscales) du 25-Dec-2006 au 28-Dec-2006.
En un mot nous avons beaucoup aime l'accueil de ROGER ...
Le possada est tres jolie ... et tres tres tres calme sauf pour les cris/appels des animaux (surtout les milliers de perroquets au coucher/lever du soleil qui habitent a cote du possada). Nous avons trouve cela geniale.
Les ballades en bateau sont tres sympa ... et ROGER prends le temps pour nous bien faire visiter les alentours et la nature ... meme si cela prends plus de temps que prevus.
Notre visite a commence avec une ballade en bateau/pirogue avec ROGER pour apporter des cadeux aux enfants du coin ... On a tres vite compris que ROGER est considere par les locaux comme "Mr.Generosite" (d'apres ROGER, les locaux n'aiment pas quand sa femme arrive de Cuidad Bolivar a Piacoa car elle tient les ficelles du portefeuille de ROGER).
C'est certain que ROGER ne sera jamais un business-man riche ... hihihihi ;-) Exemple : On s'arrete au bord de la route et ROGER discute avec qqn. LOCAUX : "Roger paie moi une biere car c'est mon anniversaire". ROGER : "OK ... tiens 2000 Bolivars". LOCAUX : "Oui, mais ma cousine est aussi ici avec moi". ROGER : "OK ... Voici encore 2000 Bolivars".
Bien que ROGER connait bien les alentours, il est un peu faible en connaissances des noms des oiseux quand il s'agit des especes qu'il ne voit pas souvent dans le Delta (personne est parfait). Mais bon, il ne peut pas tout connaitre non plus ... Il connait l'essentiel.
ROGER fait tout ce qu'il est possible pour mettre ses 'invites' a l'aise ... et il fait un petit plus toujours pour qu'on a l'impression d'etre 'chez ROGER' et non dans un 'ROGER tour & possada'.
Je le recommande tres tres vivement ... et sachez que vous n'allez JAMAIS etre plus que 10 personnes chez lui. Il n'y a que 3 chambres (2 personnes) et 4 hammacs. Son bateau ne peut que embarquer 12 personnes. De plus, ROGER repete qu'il ne souhaite pas devenir un 'tour operateur' ... Il fait ca pour vivre et se faire plaisir et faire plaisir aux autres.
Ce que nous avons beaucoup aime :
1. Peche au 'piranas'
2. Regarder les milliers de perroquets au coucher/lever du soleil
3. Les ballades en bateau/pirogue
4. Les 2 oiseaux et 3 chiens qui sont les mascots du possada
5. Le ciel ... chaque nuit c'est spectaculaire
6. Discuter avec ROGER ... et le voir en McGuiver reparer le moteur Yahama de son bateau, regler l'electricite autour du possada, etc.,
7. Ecouter l'histoire de ROGER : Il est francais (de Alsace) du cote de son papa et Allemand du cote de sa maman. Son vocabulaire en Francais est limite a peut-etre 50 mots ! Il parle surtout l'Allemand, Espagnol et Anglais avec les touristes. Il a vecu en Alsace pendant 2 ans (il y a plus de 20 ans) ... avant de retourner definitivement au Venezuela. Bien que de nationalite Francais, il se considere plutot Allemand car c'est sa langue maternelle.
J'espere que ce petit compte-rendu vous etes utile. Les coords de ROGER sont dans le PETIT-FUTE de 2006-2007.
Ravi.
Nous etions chez "Roger" (aka "Sacaroco Tours" ... mais qui change de nom souvent pour des raisons fiscales) du 25-Dec-2006 au 28-Dec-2006.
En un mot nous avons beaucoup aime l'accueil de ROGER ...
Le possada est tres jolie ... et tres tres tres calme sauf pour les cris/appels des animaux (surtout les milliers de perroquets au coucher/lever du soleil qui habitent a cote du possada). Nous avons trouve cela geniale.
Les ballades en bateau sont tres sympa ... et ROGER prends le temps pour nous bien faire visiter les alentours et la nature ... meme si cela prends plus de temps que prevus.
Notre visite a commence avec une ballade en bateau/pirogue avec ROGER pour apporter des cadeux aux enfants du coin ... On a tres vite compris que ROGER est considere par les locaux comme "Mr.Generosite" (d'apres ROGER, les locaux n'aiment pas quand sa femme arrive de Cuidad Bolivar a Piacoa car elle tient les ficelles du portefeuille de ROGER).
C'est certain que ROGER ne sera jamais un business-man riche ... hihihihi ;-) Exemple : On s'arrete au bord de la route et ROGER discute avec qqn. LOCAUX : "Roger paie moi une biere car c'est mon anniversaire". ROGER : "OK ... tiens 2000 Bolivars". LOCAUX : "Oui, mais ma cousine est aussi ici avec moi". ROGER : "OK ... Voici encore 2000 Bolivars".
Bien que ROGER connait bien les alentours, il est un peu faible en connaissances des noms des oiseux quand il s'agit des especes qu'il ne voit pas souvent dans le Delta (personne est parfait). Mais bon, il ne peut pas tout connaitre non plus ... Il connait l'essentiel.
ROGER fait tout ce qu'il est possible pour mettre ses 'invites' a l'aise ... et il fait un petit plus toujours pour qu'on a l'impression d'etre 'chez ROGER' et non dans un 'ROGER tour & possada'.
Je le recommande tres tres vivement ... et sachez que vous n'allez JAMAIS etre plus que 10 personnes chez lui. Il n'y a que 3 chambres (2 personnes) et 4 hammacs. Son bateau ne peut que embarquer 12 personnes. De plus, ROGER repete qu'il ne souhaite pas devenir un 'tour operateur' ... Il fait ca pour vivre et se faire plaisir et faire plaisir aux autres.
Ce que nous avons beaucoup aime :
1. Peche au 'piranas'
2. Regarder les milliers de perroquets au coucher/lever du soleil
3. Les ballades en bateau/pirogue
4. Les 2 oiseaux et 3 chiens qui sont les mascots du possada
5. Le ciel ... chaque nuit c'est spectaculaire
6. Discuter avec ROGER ... et le voir en McGuiver reparer le moteur Yahama de son bateau, regler l'electricite autour du possada, etc.,
7. Ecouter l'histoire de ROGER : Il est francais (de Alsace) du cote de son papa et Allemand du cote de sa maman. Son vocabulaire en Francais est limite a peut-etre 50 mots ! Il parle surtout l'Allemand, Espagnol et Anglais avec les touristes. Il a vecu en Alsace pendant 2 ans (il y a plus de 20 ans) ... avant de retourner definitivement au Venezuela. Bien que de nationalite Francais, il se considere plutot Allemand car c'est sa langue maternelle.
J'espere que ce petit compte-rendu vous etes utile. Les coords de ROGER sont dans le PETIT-FUTE de 2006-2007.
Ravi.
Bonjour
Nous partons le 03 février prochain, en famille.
Pouvez-vous nous dire ce que vous avez visité au Vénézuela ? (excepté l'Orénoque), vos impressions sur le pays, votre budget ..
Nous sommes dans la phase de faire des choix, et ce n'est pas facile facile😉
Merci.
Laurence
Pouvez-vous nous dire ce que vous avez visité au Vénézuela ? (excepté l'Orénoque), vos impressions sur le pays, votre budget ..
Nous sommes dans la phase de faire des choix, et ce n'est pas facile facile😉
Merci.
Laurence
Vous n'êtes pas riche tant que vous ne possédez pas une chose que l'argent ne peut pas acheter
Hello Laurence,
Je viens de poster un message sur Voyage Forum sous le titre Quatorze jours au Vénézuela en décembre 2006 avec mon pseudonyme RAVIGATEWAY ou tu trouveras peut-etre des infos necessaires.
Si tu as encore des questions, n'hesite pas a me demander.
Ravi.
Je viens de poster un message sur Voyage Forum sous le titre Quatorze jours au Vénézuela en décembre 2006 avec mon pseudonyme RAVIGATEWAY ou tu trouveras peut-etre des infos necessaires.
Si tu as encore des questions, n'hesite pas a me demander.
Ravi.
Budget pour le ORINOCCO DELTA :
Chez ROGER ca nous a coute pour 3 jours et 2 nuits "all included" (overnight, food, boat trip on the River, fishing etc.) 210 US $ par personne.
La voiture-taxi de Cuidad Bolivar au ROGER CAMP c'etait 140.000 Bolivar (aller + retour).
Ravi.
Chez ROGER ca nous a coute pour 3 jours et 2 nuits "all included" (overnight, food, boat trip on the River, fishing etc.) 210 US $ par personne.
La voiture-taxi de Cuidad Bolivar au ROGER CAMP c'etait 140.000 Bolivar (aller + retour).
Ravi.
Bonjour, Vous ne pouviez pas mieux tomber, j'espere seulement que vous n'etes pas déjà partis!! Une bonne adresse dans l'etat du MONAGAS
"Rancho San Andre" a 20/30 Km de MATURIN via ARIBI et dans l'etat du SUCRE Posenda "CARMENCITA " playa colorada c'est super .les 2 endroits sont tres accueillants et vous ne regretterez pas le RANCH allez y de ma part Dominique du 62 😉
DOMIPLAYA
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Hi there,
I’m desperately looking for info on the schedules and routes of (shared) boats to visit the islands of Lake Titicaca.
From what I’ve found, there’s a *combi* (bus) that leaves from Puno to go to Llachon. Where do you catch it? What are the schedules and frequency? Does it take about 1 hour?
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello everyone!
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine



