États-Unis: passage à l'immigration étant voilée
by Mikaracyan
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je pars à New York courant Avril.Je stress a mort car j'ai un nom arabe de plus je suis voilée. Je fais ce voyage pour faire plaisir surtout à mon fils. C'est son rêve les USA.
Est-ce-que vous savez comment ça se passe à l'immigration.j'ai gardé un mauvais souvenir de mon voyage en Nouvelle Zélande. J'avais l'impression que j'étais une terro.merci
Bonjour Frida,
Qu'entends tu par voilée, c'est à dire quel type de voile ? Quelle partie de ton visage est cachée?
Bonne soirée.
Si le chemin est difficile, le difficile est le chemin.
Hello Frida,
Et est-ce que c'est si terrible que ça d'enlever ton voile au moment du passage devant l'officier d'immigration ???
Et est-ce que c'est si terrible que ça d'enlever ton voile au moment du passage devant l'officier d'immigration ???
Tu ne seras certainement pas la seule ce jour là, tu peux y aller tranquille et si tu dois être interpellée ça ne sera certainement pas à cause de ton voile.
Have fun !
Hello Frida,
Et est-ce que c'est si terrible que ça d'enlever ton voile au moment du passage devant l'officier d'immigration ???
Ce n'est pas ce qu'elle dit hein ou on ne comprend pas la même chose.
Et est-ce que c'est si terrible que ça d'enlever ton voile au moment du passage devant l'officier d'immigration ???
Ce n'est pas ce qu'elle dit hein ou on ne comprend pas la même chose.
Bonsoir,
Pour avoir déjà assisté au passage immigration de femmes voilées, je peux te dire qu'il font dévoiler le visage pour la photo.
Bon voyage
Pour avoir déjà assisté au passage immigration de femmes voilées, je peux te dire qu'il font dévoiler le visage pour la photo.
Bon voyage
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Pas de probleme en principe, il faut juste que ton visage ne soit pas couvert, mais le foulard standard ça passe, les femmes du moyen orient (arabie, ect) n'ont pas de soucis.
Si tu as ton ESTA/VISA valide, ça devrait etre good, peut etre des questions supplementaires de l'officier d'immigration, juste ne pas mentir, et rester Zen.
j'ai gardé un mauvais souvenir de mon voyage en Nouvelle Zélande.
Comment cela s'est-il déroulé à ce moment là pour le passage à l'immigration ? 😮
Comment cela s'est-il déroulé à ce moment là pour le passage à l'immigration ? 😮
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Troll?
j'ai le même feeling
j'ai le même feeling
Tout est OK niveau papiers, réservations, hôtel. Mis a part mon foulard, je m'habille comme la plus part des femmes.jeans, pantalons. Bref , peu être que la conjoncture actuelle fait que je stresse pour rien. Merci pour la réponse.
Comme écrit plus haut, impossible de répondre : l'officier d'immigration a tous les pouvoirs à ce niveau-là. Il y a quelques semaines était rapportée sur le forum l'histoire d'une personne refoulée pour cause de pantalon taché dans sa valise (assimilé à une tenue de travail et donc à un clandestin).
Si ça peut rassurer, les US désapprouvent les mesures sur le voile en Europe
Bien sur que j'en sais rien nul est à l'abri après faut arrêter se poser cent mille questions sinon on reste chez soi, y a pas lieu de s’inquiéter sauf si on a quelque chose à se reprocher !!
Comme écrit plus haut, impossible de répondre : l'officier d'immigration a tous les pouvoirs à ce niveau-là. Il y a quelques semaines était rapportée sur le forum l'histoire d'une personne refoulée pour cause de pantalon taché dans sa valise (assimilé à une tenue de travail et donc à un clandestin).
Si ça peut rassurer, les US désapprouvent les mesures sur le voile en Europe
Absolument !
Absolument !
Bonjour,
Ce n'est pas un débat sur le port du voile mais une question sur l'attitude de l'immigration US vis à vis du port du voile. Comme d'habitude beaucoup parlent sans savoir ou par conviction personnelle. Pour l'avoir vu une fois, effectivement le contour du visage doit être dégagé pour être scanné certainement pour une reconnaissance faciale.
Ce n'est pas un débat sur le port du voile mais une question sur l'attitude de l'immigration US vis à vis du port du voile. Comme d'habitude beaucoup parlent sans savoir ou par conviction personnelle. Pour l'avoir vu une fois, effectivement le contour du visage doit être dégagé pour être scanné certainement pour une reconnaissance faciale.
Débat sur le voile ? 🏴☠️ on ne se connait pas alors merci de ne pas m'attribuer des propos ou convictions perso !
Fin de la discussion
Fin de la discussion
Je laisse mes petits camarades spéculer, imaginer, penser, croire, imaginer plein de choses au sujet de votre demande, voire répondre à côté ou friser le code à propos de ce que vous devriez faire ou pas... et pendant ce temps je suis allé chercher pour vous sur Internet (pas bien difficile à trouver ceci dit en entrant le bons mots en anglais dans un moteur de recherche) la réponse officielle émanant du gouvernement US et qui dit :
In most cases, your head must be uncovered; however headwear that you normally wear for religious reasons is generally acceptable. Headwear that you wear for other reasons is not acceptable. Your full face must be visible, and the head covering must not cast any shadows on your face. A veil that covers all or significant portions of the face is not acceptable because the person’s identity needs to be clear.
Voilà. Comme ça c'est clair. Bon voyage.
In most cases, your head must be uncovered; however headwear that you normally wear for religious reasons is generally acceptable. Headwear that you wear for other reasons is not acceptable. Your full face must be visible, and the head covering must not cast any shadows on your face. A veil that covers all or significant portions of the face is not acceptable because the person’s identity needs to be clear.
Voilà. Comme ça c'est clair. Bon voyage.
Le plus factuelle , et visiblement je n'ai pas vu la question, comment est la photo du passeport
Si c'est sans le voile je ne vois pas comment un officier d'immigration ou que ce soit pourra laisser passer la "même personne" étant voilée si il ne peut pas faire une vérification entre le passeport et la "présente"
Bon voyage et surtout voyagez zen!
Michel France (85)
J'ai été témoin il y un mois que l'agent immigration américain a l'aéroport a exigé qu'une femme voilée retire son voile avant de passer la frontière.
Elle a refusé de lever son voile devant un homme😕🏴☠️😠 mais l'agent lui a dit d'attendre qu'une femme-agent arrive...lors du prochain quart de travail quelques heures plus tard.
La voilé a sûrement manqué son vol.
La vie est trop belle pour être petite.
Tout est OK niveau papiers, réservations, hôtel. Mis a part mon foulard, je m'habille comme la plus part des femmes.jeans, pantalons. Bref , peu être que la conjoncture actuelle fait que je stresse pour rien. Merci pour la réponse.
Tu as bien enlevé ton voile pour faire la photo de ton passeport... Il est donc possible qu'on te demande de l'enlever le temps de l'identification, ce qui est normal et logique.
Tu as bien enlevé ton voile pour faire la photo de ton passeport... Il est donc possible qu'on te demande de l'enlever le temps de l'identification, ce qui est normal et logique.
C'est pourquoi je lui avait posé la question du type de voile qu'elle portait, car, si c'est un voile couvrant les cheveux, il n'y a pas de souci, mais impossible avec un voile ne laissant voir que les yeux, d'ailleurs ce type de voile n'est certainement pas sur le passeport.
Moi aussi j'ai vu à JFK passer une dame avec un voile intégral et elle l'a simplement soulevé devant l’officier qui avait à la main son passeport et a ainsi pu faire la comparaison.
Voilà, le tout ne me semble pas compliqué et surtout de bon sens.
Si le chemin est difficile, le difficile est le chemin.
however headwear that you normally wear for religious reasons is generally acceptable.
Comme ça c'est clair.
On comprend effectivement clairement que l'agent d'immigration aura le dernier mot, malgré ce que tout le monde pourrait dire ici 😉
On comprend effectivement clairement que l'agent d'immigration aura le dernier mot, malgré ce que tout le monde pourrait dire ici 😉
Faby
Le seul qui puisse repondre a cette question est l'officier d immigration qui la controlera a l'arrivee....tout le reste n'est que speculation.....cela me fait sourire que beaucoup ici s'intronisent officier d immigration alors qu'ils n'ont ni qualification ni connaissance pour pouvoir repondre a cette question.... Frida (Prenom de la personne ayant ouvert ce topic ) peut tres bien etre admise sans probleme sur le territoire Us , mais elle peut aussi etre refoulee sans aucune explication....
Bonsoir Jean-Luc,
Seulement pour parler de l'Agent d'immigration.
Il y a quelques annees je revenais aux US apres un voyage en Europe, et il y avait une femme qui pleurait parceque l'officier d'immagration lui avait refuse l'entree aux USA. Je n'en connais pas la raison, mais il certain que si un officier refuse l'entree aucun autre officier n'ira contraire a sa decision. Les decisions sont finales.
Ces officiers ont une responsabilite et c'est a eux de l'exercer. Etre amis aux USA n'est pas une garantie et tous ceux qui se presentent aux frontieres devraient le savoir.
Nous passerons a Gunnison au mois de Juin, peut etre aurons nous le plaisir de prendre un Coca ensemble😄😎
Cordialement
Alex
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How heavy do I journey on the way,
When what I seek (my weary travel’s end)
Shakespeare sonnet 50, vers 1- 2.
je pense que le mieux c'est de retirer ta voile, à l'immigration et aussi en général aux USA.
tu risque moins de passer pour une terroriste...
Dans tous les pays aux passage de l'immigration une femme voilée doit enlever son voile afin que l'on puisse vérifier la concordance entre son visage et la photo sur le passeport.
Dans certain pays la personne voilée peut demander une officier d'immigration femme dans d'autre non.
Je me souviens à GVA la personne voilée n'a pas voulu enlever son voile devant l'officier d'immigration la réponse a été retour d'ou elle venait .
Mais on sait tous que l'officier a tout pouvoir de refouler sans justification, pas besoin d'être ricain pour savoir ça !
Edit, ça ne s'adressait pas à Protège.
Edit, ça ne s'adressait pas à Protège.
Moi aussi j'ai vu à JFK passer une dame avec un voile intégral et elle l'a simplement soulevé devant l’officier qui avait à la main son passeport et a ainsi pu faire la comparaison.
Voilà, le tout ne me semble pas compliqué et surtout de bon sens.
C'est tout à fait ça, j'ai assisté deux fois à ce type de passage à l'immigration (à Washington), et comme je l'ai évoqué plus haut, les femmes en question ont dû montrer brièvement leur visage pour comparaison avec le passeport et pour la traditionnelle photo.
C'est tout à fait ça, j'ai assisté deux fois à ce type de passage à l'immigration (à Washington), et comme je l'ai évoqué plus haut, les femmes en question ont dû montrer brièvement leur visage pour comparaison avec le passeport et pour la traditionnelle photo.
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Je serai officier de l immigration, ça serait non.La situation actuelle impose des contrôles très stricts (caméra et prise d empreintes, fouille)aux aéroports. Ce n est pas la peine d'en rajouter...
RENO --Aéroports utilisés dep. 1970: BRU CRL LGG CDG ORY LBG PGF DUS FRA HHN AMS OPO. MST LUX GRO ALC LEI AGP BCN PMI ACE MAD TFN BCN REU PFO MIR LGW LMR LXR FAO ZRH GVA JFK LGA MIA MCO DAB TPA FLL IAH LAX SFO ATL IAD BGR RDU BOS KGS VLC IBZ. VIE. OPO
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Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.