Faire le mont Batur sans guide et ainsi éviter de donner un seul roupie à cette mafia du lac, oui, c'est possible : Nous venons de le faire!
Il faut savoir que la plupart des guides officient de nuit et donc la journée, ils dorment.
Nous sommes donc arrivés au Lac Batur vers 8h30 et avons garé nos scooters près des bains Bautur Natural Hot Spring. Comme dans cette région, vous êtes constamment harcelé par la population : "vous venez d'où? Vous allez où? Vous voulez un guide pour le trek de Batur? Venez aux bains.... Venez dans mon magasin ..." Évidemment, nous sommes resté toujours trés flous, prétextant que nous ne parlions pas anglais juste quelques mots.... " nous... Walk...promenade...autour du lac... Trek? Ah Non, no trek nous too fatigué"... Au début, ne jamais dire que vous voulez faire le trek Batur.
Nous nous sommes dirigé sur le chemin qui mène au Batur, celui qui passe à côté de l'hotel Black Lava vers 9h00 du matin. Là aussi, plusieurs types en scooter nous ont suivi :"Batur, you need a guide, too dangerous" ... Nous avons répondu : " We go to The hotel" et ils nous ont fini par nous laisser. Passé l'hôtel, il y a le temple Kamareka qui peut servir de prétexte. D'ailleurs, en arrivant à ce temple alors que nous étions à l'intérieur, nous avons entendu un groupe de touristes et son guide qui descendaient. Nous les avons laisser passer.
Le chemin entre alors dans la forêt, ca monte mais ça va, on est à l'ombre.
Vers 9h30, nous avons croisé 3 autres groupes qui descendaient : 2 fois nous nous avons pu nous cacher dans la foret, et ainsi les eviter mais pas la troisième. Cependant , nous les avions entendu arrivé et nous avons pu faire demi tour en marchant trés lentement. Le guide est arrivé sur nous et immédiatement il a demandé :"where is your guide?" On a pretexté dans un anglais quasi incompréhensible qu'il était plus bas avec notre groupe, qu'on était retardé car fatigué et qu on devait se reposer un peu. Il n a pas trop insisté et lui et son groupe sont partis.
Le matin, les guides ne sont pas aussi agressif que la nuit, et il y a beaucoup moins de monde voire quasi personne. À partir du moment où vous êtes sur le chemin, il faut faire croire que votre groupe et son guide sont descendu et que vous avez été retardé...
Ensuite quand vous arrivez au premier et dernier camp dans la foret (Hut) avec des petites cabanes et des blancs, prenez plutôt le chemin de droite : il est raide mais plus rapide, et surtout en passant par là, vous éviterez pas mal de guides qui prennent tous par la gauche.
En passant par la droite, on monte sur les rochers de lave en plein soleil, la vue est magnifique sur le lac et le sommet de l'Abang dans les nuages. Nous avons fait plusieurs haltes et avons gravi les rochers à notre rythme. Du coup, en y allant tranquille, ce n'est pas si dur. Il fait trés chaud au soleil et frais à l'ombre. Là, il faut juste aller tout droit vers le sommet, on ne peut pas se tromper de chemin.
Nous sommes arrivé au sommet assez vite finalement. Nous avions le Mont Batur pour nous seul, pas un touristes, personne, juste un chien errant, tout gentil qui nous a accompagné jusqu'au bout!!
Nous avons fait le tour du cratère par la droite. La vue est magnifique. En arrivant tout en haut, nous avons croisé quelques indonésiens, au niveau du "bar" du sommet, encore ouvert. Ils nous ont demandé où étaient notre guide, on a dit que notre groupe était descendu et qu on s était arreté car fatiqués et qu on avait fait demi tour car ça allait mieux. Ils nous ont laissé. Cette excuse marché bien !!!
On a pu continuer le tour du cratére... Ils n y avait personne et le spectacle était grandiose. Quel privilège d'être juste entre nous sans les centaines d'autres touristes, attendant à la queue le le pour se faire photographier à côtés des roches fumantes....
Attention tout de même, car le passage est étroit et il y a beaucoup de vent.
On a donc contourné le cratère par la droite, c'est à dire qu' on a pris le chemin inverse que celui emprunté par les guides.
En redescendant vers le point Sunset, on a donné quelques bananes aux singes, attention car ils sont plutôt nerveux !
Puis nous sommes redescendu par la foret, avons rejoint le camps Hut dans la foret et repris le même chemin qu'à l'aller vers l'hôtel Black Lava. En redescendant par la, vous évitez le parking officiel et le point de départ du trek, vous évitez ainsi de payer les 100000 roupies pour le droit de passage.
A 15h00, nous étions en bas, bien épuisé mais heureux!
Cela nous a fait économiser 70euros et surtout, on a pu profiter du mont Batur juste pour nous.
Le trek est accessible à tous en prenant son temps et en buvant de l eau régulièrement (2 litres par personne). Il faut faire attention autour du cratère, rester sur le chemin et prévoir de bonnes chaussures.
Je reste persuader que prendre un guide au Batur, c'est juste alimenter une grosse arnaque et des gens peu scrupuleux et qui sont tout sauf des "guides"!
En tout cas, si vous voulez faire ce trek sans payer cette mafia, faites le comme nous, le matin, en partant vers 9h00, le Batur sera juste pour vous.
Nous avons fait le Battur l’après midi en arrivant vers 15h au centre d'info en scotter pour voir. On a pris un des rares guides qui se trouvaient là. On était tous seuls pour la balade sans la foule du matin, quelques nuages ce qui n'est pas le cas du matin.
C'est sûr qu'on aurait pu faire sans guide mais faut bien faire vivre les locaux.
Voir les sentiers sur OpenCycleMap avec une appi téléphone, Viewranger, Orux ou Locus.
Bien vu!
Mais vous réalisez toutes les astuces que vous avez du utiliser pour les éviter 🙂 Quand on y réfléchit, c'est quand même dingue.
Cette mafia sévit depuis longtemps et parfois agresse des gens récalcitrants. Il faut rester discret d'un bout à l'autre car ils seraient capables de casser vos scooters ou endommager votre véhicule.
Chacun devrait être libre de choisir. Je gravis des volcans régulièrement dans l'archipel et le Batur n'a vraiment rien de difficile. Déjà le prix d'entrée est élevé 100000 quand on pense qu'il n'y a pas d'entretien. Ensuite le tarif de guidage est exorbitant, malhonnête mais normal c'est une petite mafia qui s'arc-boute sur sur ce qu'elle considère comme son pré-carré
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Hi everyone,
I’m leaving on Monday, August 3rd for my very first long-distance trek: the GR223 from Coutances to Mont Saint-Michel, over 6-7 days (~11-14 miles/day), solo.
I’m looking for tips from people who know this section well (Coutances → Regnéville-sur-Mer → Hauteville-sur-Mer → Bréhal → Granville → Genêts → bay crossing):
Budget-friendly accommodations: I’m struggling to find affordable stopover lodgings (a lot of what I find online are expensive vacation rentals, not really suited for a solo hiker). If you have any great spots (hostels, hiker-friendly B&Bs, nice campgrounds), I’d love to hear them!
Bay crossing: Any feedback on guides/providers leaving from Genêts for the final crossing?
General tips for a first long-distance trek: What you wish you’d known before your first time, pitfalls to avoid, etc.
Hi,
We’re planning to do the 4-day trek from Mestia to Ushguli without an agency. The descriptions mention that there are accommodations at each stop, but we can’t find any details about them. Has anyone got info or feedback on this route?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
New to this forum, I’m planning a pretty big project for 2028.
I’m heading to Nepal to do a trek from Kathmandu all the way to Everest Base Camp (a cool 5,300 m 😄).
This trek is a bit special because even though I’ll be part of a group, I’m going solo (so far, no problem—I’m used to it). But it’s my first real trek, and it’s also a humanitarian one: once I reach base camp, I’ll stay an extra week to help clean up the waste left by tens of thousands of climbers! Since I’m originally from South America, from two countries that share the Andes, I have a deep respect for mountains—they fascinate me. So Everest… it’s kind of the trip of a lifetime!
So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
We're planning to trek in Peru and Bolivia and would love to find some local agencies.
If you know any, could you share details on prices and, of course, the names of the agencies?
Which trek would you recommend?
Elocine
I'm heading out on a fully self-sufficient trek in Morocco (10 days) from Imilchil to Aghbalou.
Can I find screw-on gas canisters (Coleman, Primus) in Marrakech (any addresses?) or in villages between Imilchil and Aghbalou?
If not, are Butagaz canisters for camping gas (small 230g size) available?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello, I’d like to embark on a little trip in my home country, Switzerland. I’ll start walking from La Cure, heading toward Le Noirmont first, then I’ll improvise my route—but it’ll probably follow the French border... at least as far as Lac de Joux.
I’ll decide day by day how much farther to go after that. My goal is to stay in nature as much as possible, wander around for as long as I can, and restock food in villages or towns along the way.
I’m thinking of mostly camping, but we’ll see if I end up in a hotel or another campsite depending on my route.
I’d love to reach La Chaux-de-Fonds on foot... maybe even Delémont.
The whole thing should take about a week, give or take.
I’ll be bringing my dog, and I’m preparing for this as soon as I’m ready.
Any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly for us? Things I should know—or avoid? What about shepherds with their flocks of sheep? And isn’t hunting season open right now?
I’m not sure if what I’m planning is even doable, which is why I’m asking around.
This’ll be my first time doing something like this—wandering in nature *and* with a dog. I’m really excited for this adventure... and I need it. Thanks!
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries!
Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike.
It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge.
I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle.
In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details:
We arrive in early August and leave in early September.
We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery!
We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat?
Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations.
Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July.
I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route.
Can anyone give me some info on this?
Thanks!
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there?
A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions?
For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip...
Thanks for your tips!
Have a great day,
Anie, Toulouse
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice?
Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish.
I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips?
Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina?
At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands.
Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili.
Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?)
There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4.
If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit.
if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?