Om Yv
Contrôle des ordinateurs à la douane française
by Yv
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
L'an dernier en rentrant de Penang (Malaisie), j'ai été informé de faire gaffe à l'arrivée en France au sujet du contrôle possible de mon ordi. Il se disait là bas que les douaniers français étaient maintenant habilité à vérifier le contenu des ordis à la recherche de films téléchargés illégalement ou de softs crackés.
Est ce réel ? La France a t'elle mis en route cette disposition ? Quelqu'un a t'il croisé ce ce cas ou cela lui est'il arrivé ? Il m'a aussi était dit que dans ce cas de figure, ils étaient alors habilité à confisquer purement et simplement l'ordi. Tout ça se passerait dans plusieurs pays du monde suite à la pression de Microsoft sur ces logiciels windows, particulièrement piratés...
quelqu'un a t'il des infos sur le sujet ?
Om Yv
Om Yv
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Je vois mal un douanier habilité à étudier le contenu de votre PC, qui soit dit en passant, peut être tout à fait légalement crypté.
La seule fois ou j'ai eu une remarque sur ce sujet, c'est à CDG, en partant. J'avais 3 PC et un superviseur de sécurité (apparemment) m'a demandé où j'allais en voyant mes 3 PC.
Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait.
Pourtant déjà en Juillet 2005 Thuan disait :
"je ne serais pas si sure d'avancer que il n'y a pas de problème .. il y a aussi une nouvelle forme de douane qui se développe .. ce n'est pas tellement pour le matériel mais pour l'origine des programmes .. a surveiller .."
Sur le post "Ordinateur portable en voyage et douane"
Qu'en serait'il aujourd'hui depuis qu'une loi française rend criminalisable une majorité de français pour copies illégales de musiques, films et programmes ordinateurs ?
Pranique le Sit ! - http://pranique.com - Cinq onglets principaux : Culture, Pranique, Indigos, Ascension, Générique
Bonjour, je n'ai encore vu aucun controle de ce type en passant les douanes. Je pense qu'ils ont déja suffisamment a faire avec la recherche de drogue et de produits manufacturés contrefaits. Controler un ordinateur leur prendrait trop de temps.
Quelle est votre question ?
Savoir si la douane française peut contrôler le contenu d'un ordinateur. Oui, les pouvoirs de cette administration sont plus importants que ceux de la police (et l'ont toujours été, ce n'est pas récent)
Savoir si elle pratique cette activité à longueur de journée ? Non, des milliers de machines doivent transiter chaque jour et la prise d'un film ou logiciel piraté de temps en temps serait ridicule.
La douane a tous les droits, ils peuvent tres bien demander à voir ce que tu as sur ton PC.
La douane a tous les droits, ils peuvent tres bien demander à voir ce que tu as sur ton PC.
Non, ils n'ont pas tous les droits et fort heureusement d'ailleurs. Ils peuvent tres bien te demander a voir ce que tu as sur ton PC mais tu as tout a fait le droit de refuser. Sans autorisation d'un juge ils ne peuvent pas te contraindre a leur montrer.
Non, ils n'ont pas tous les droits et fort heureusement d'ailleurs. Ils peuvent tres bien te demander a voir ce que tu as sur ton PC mais tu as tout a fait le droit de refuser. Sans autorisation d'un juge ils ne peuvent pas te contraindre a leur montrer.
La douane a tous les droits, ils peuvent tres bien demander à voir ce que tu as sur ton PC.
J'attends de pied ferme le premier douanier qui va me demander d'allumer mon PC pour voir ce qu'il y a à l'intérieur 😎😎😎 La différence entre une démocratie et une dictature, c'est quand même qu'il y a un minimum de lois...
J'attends de pied ferme le premier douanier qui va me demander d'allumer mon PC pour voir ce qu'il y a à l'intérieur 😎😎😎 La différence entre une démocratie et une dictature, c'est quand même qu'il y a un minimum de lois...
Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait.
Ben justement les lois changent.....
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Ben justement les lois changent.....
Nonon... en l'occurence les lois francaises sont tres claires sur le sujet. Sans commission rogatoire signee par un juge il est impossible d'acceder a ces donnees. Je voyage assez souvent avec des donnees sensibles et ca nous a ete clairement expliqué par nos experts juridiques.
Nonon... en l'occurence les lois francaises sont tres claires sur le sujet. Sans commission rogatoire signee par un juge il est impossible d'acceder a ces donnees. Je voyage assez souvent avec des donnees sensibles et ca nous a ete clairement expliqué par nos experts juridiques.
Et donc à l'entrée ou à la sortie de France, si on te demande de regarder dans ton ordi, tu refuses. Bien.
Que se passe t'il dans ces cas là ?
Ils te bloquent le temps de demander à un juge de ? Tu rates ton avion si tu es sur le départ ? Ils te mettent en garde à vue ?
Ils ne peuvent rien faire et te laisse passer ? : prendre ton avion au départ de paris, ou ton taxi ou rer à l'arrivée à paris ?
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Ils peuvent te bloquer s'ils le desirent et donc te faire louper ton avion.
Enfin ne t'inquiete pas, s'ils te demandent ca c'est qu'ils ont le juge a portee de main ou une commission rogatoire. Enfin en ce qui me concerne ca ne change rien, je ne suis pas proprietaire des donnees sur mon laptop et je dois demander l'autorisation de ma boite pour le montrer a un tiers.
Enfin ne t'inquiete pas, s'ils te demandent ca c'est qu'ils ont le juge a portee de main ou une commission rogatoire. Enfin en ce qui me concerne ca ne change rien, je ne suis pas proprietaire des donnees sur mon laptop et je dois demander l'autorisation de ma boite pour le montrer a un tiers.
Va voir sur le site de la douane. tu auras pleins de renseignements qui pourront te servir...
http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=44
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont. Tu rates ton vol ils en ont rien à faire.
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont. Tu rates ton vol ils en ont rien à faire.
Bonjour,
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont.
Euh.... S'ils font les formalités pour en avoir le droit, oui, mais il faut que ça en vaille la peine...
Michel
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont.
Euh.... S'ils font les formalités pour en avoir le droit, oui, mais il faut que ça en vaille la peine...
Michel
Oui evidemment, ça ne doit pas arriver souvent qu'on "vienne" te fouiller ton PC, il faut avoir de sérieuses
raison ........
La douane Française a des droits très étendus. Vos experts juridiques sont un peu nuls... Le code des Douanes dit :
Article 60 Pour l'application des dispositions du présent code et en vue de la recherche de la fraude, les agents des douanes peuvent procéder à la visite des marchandises et des moyens de transport et à celle des personnes.
Ton PC est une marchandise, ils ont le droit de le fouiller dans tous les sens du terme, comme ton téléphone ou tes autres affaires, comme ton véhicule si t'es sur la route ou même comme tes propres orifices naturels.
PS : Je sais que le sujet est vieux mais il reste référencé par google, donc accessible encore aujourd'hui assez facilement. Mieux vaut corriger ce genre de choses pour éviter que les gens se mettent dans l'embarras lors d'un contrôle douanier.
Article 60 Pour l'application des dispositions du présent code et en vue de la recherche de la fraude, les agents des douanes peuvent procéder à la visite des marchandises et des moyens de transport et à celle des personnes.
Ton PC est une marchandise, ils ont le droit de le fouiller dans tous les sens du terme, comme ton téléphone ou tes autres affaires, comme ton véhicule si t'es sur la route ou même comme tes propres orifices naturels.
PS : Je sais que le sujet est vieux mais il reste référencé par google, donc accessible encore aujourd'hui assez facilement. Mieux vaut corriger ce genre de choses pour éviter que les gens se mettent dans l'embarras lors d'un contrôle douanier.
Je ne suis pas juriste, donc je ne peux pas juger de qui a raison ou non. Ce que je sais c'est que lorsque ma boite m'a remis mon PC, on m'a aussi remis un document decrivant un certain nombre de regles, et en particulier le controle au frontieres. J'ignore si le contenu de mon PC est une marchandise ou non, ce que je sais c'est qu'on nous explique qu'on n'est pas cense donner notre mot de passe pour acceder au contenu du PC, sauf sur demande d'un juge.
Apres, par rapport au commun des mortels, il faut savoir que nos disques durs sont cryptes.... donc y acceder sans mot de passe est complique.
Apres, si je suis certain de la competence de nos juristes, peut-etre nous disent ils cela meme si ce n'est pas exact de maniere a nous responsabiliser.
Apres, si je suis certain de la competence de nos juristes, peut-etre nous disent ils cela meme si ce n'est pas exact de maniere a nous responsabiliser.
Pour le mot de passe c'est effectivement possible, mais ça sera caractérisé comme opposition à fonction ( délit ) ( art 53 ) et là ça passe au niveau d'au dessus. Evidemment tout cela est bien théorique, pour la majorité des cas ils s'en foutent de ce qu'il y a dans le PC, mais pour une personne retrouvée avec 8kg de résine dans la valise, ils vont chercher par tous les moyens à savoir d'où ça vient et où ça va, et là le PC ou le téléphone peuvent délivrer des infos utiles, surtout qu'un PC ça prend du temps pour le fouiller.
Je réagissais juste sur la faisabilité de la chose, la loi leur en donne le droit, pas besoin comme la police ou la gendarmerie d'avoir l'aval de la justice pour une fouille, c'est dans leurs prérogatives, après à part de très forts soupçons ou un flagrant délit, ils vont pas s'amuser à fouiller le PC du quidam lambda. Et sincèrement ils vont pas faire de l'espionnage industriel ou voler les données de X ou Y entreprise, ça reste des agents de l'Etat assermentés.
Si on a rien a se reprocher, le mieux c'est obtempérer, le douanier est taquin, faut pas rentrer dans son collimateur 😄
Je réagissais juste sur la faisabilité de la chose, la loi leur en donne le droit, pas besoin comme la police ou la gendarmerie d'avoir l'aval de la justice pour une fouille, c'est dans leurs prérogatives, après à part de très forts soupçons ou un flagrant délit, ils vont pas s'amuser à fouiller le PC du quidam lambda. Et sincèrement ils vont pas faire de l'espionnage industriel ou voler les données de X ou Y entreprise, ça reste des agents de l'Etat assermentés.
Si on a rien a se reprocher, le mieux c'est obtempérer, le douanier est taquin, faut pas rentrer dans son collimateur 😄
Les douaniers peuvent "visiter" un PC en vertu de l'article 60 du code des douanes... et donc le démonter pour inspecter son contenu physique (ou le passer à tout appareil de détection approprié). Cet article ne les autorise pas à examiner le contenu logique d'un espace de stockage lisible uniquement par une machine.
L'article 64 du code autorise cependant la consultation du contenu logique des disques ... mais avec une ordonnance du JLD et uniquement pour la recherche de certaines infractions!
Par contre cette solution n'est valable que pour la France ... et pour les Etats ayant ratifié la Convention européenne des droits de l'Homme...
L'article 64 du code autorise cependant la consultation du contenu logique des disques ... mais avec une ordonnance du JLD et uniquement pour la recherche de certaines infractions!
Par contre cette solution n'est valable que pour la France ... et pour les Etats ayant ratifié la Convention européenne des droits de l'Homme...
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Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.