Merci.
Grève possible à la SNCF pour cet été? (France)
by Cémoué
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Voilà, Nous allons en vacances en France cet été (youpi). On les termine dans le coin de Toulouse mi-juillet d'où l'on prévoit prendre le TGV pour se rendre à CDG le matin même de notre départ pour Montréal. Le TGV arrive à CDG 4 heures avant le départ de notre avion, pas de problème. Sauf que... En 2005 (octobre) nous étions en France et l'on devait prendre le train de Bagnères de Luchon à Toulouse, on se présente à la gare le matin et pas de train cette journée là. Grève sauvage de 24 heures des opérateurs de train du SNCF dans le sud-ouest. Cette fois là, on a bien rigolé car nous étions au milieu de nos vacances. Ma question est: est-ce qu'il y a des risques qu'une telle chose arrive l'été prochain? les conventions collectives sont-elles signées? les relations de travail sont elles au beau fixe.
Merci.
Merci.
Bonne journée
Cémoué
Bonsoir,
Nul ne peut s'engager sur une date aussi lointaine.
Michel
Nul ne peut s'engager sur une date aussi lointaine.
Michel
En gros, soit tu penses que la grève est peu probable et tu conserves tes plans avec 4 heures entre le train et l'avion, et s'il y a une grève tu résoudras le problème lorsqu'il se présentera, soit tu veux être sûr et tu prévois une nuit à CDG.....
Marseil. 😎
Marseil. 😎
"Rien ne développe l'intelligence comme les voyages."
Emile Zola
Comme le dit tatra, nul ne peux s'avancer sur une date aussi lointaine. Pour l'instant on n'entend rien qui pourrait nous faire croire à une menace de grève de la SNCF.
Pourtant il y a peut-être un paramètre à prendre en compte: Dans peu de temps nous allons changer de président et ceux qui ont le plus de chance d'être élu ont tous promis qu'ils allaient remettre en cause les régimes spéciaux (calcul de la retraite et je ne sais quoi encore). Les cheminots bénéficient d'un régime spécial et ça m'étonnerai qu'ils apprécient beaucoup qu'on y touche.
Alors, effectivement, vu sous cet angle il y a des risques de grève, mais pour savoir quand le futur président compte s'attaquer à ça...
Maintenant que j'y pense, c'est vrai qu'il y a souvent des grèves pendant les vacances, et j'ai ma petite théorie là dessus: j'ai l'impression que les réformes dérangeantes qui occasionnent à coup sur des grèves sont souvent faites pendant les vacances pour que ces mêmes grèves ne paralysent pas trop l'économie du pays qui se trouve alors en sommeil !
Bon j'arrête là, après tout ce n'est pas un forum sur la politique, mais pour ettayer ma réponse il a fallu que je développe un peu.
« Le paradis n'est pas sur la terre, mais il y en a des morceaux » Jules Renard
Hello
Pour moi les éventuel grève de cette été ne seront pas du à la réforme des régimes spéciaux (un peut tôt je pense), mais plus à la situation catastrophique du fret, qui doit être redresser ... En raison de l'échèc du plan Fret 2006, un nouveau plan vas (et doit) être mis en place, et pourra concerner la fermeture de lignes non rentable (isolement de certaines région francaise) et supression de postes (qui serait sans doute reclassé dans d'autres branche de la SNCF) ...
Je doute fort que nos amis syndicaliste de SUD ou de la CGT laisse passé ca, surtous si nous élisons un homme de petite taille 😏
Philo
Pour moi les éventuel grève de cette été ne seront pas du à la réforme des régimes spéciaux (un peut tôt je pense), mais plus à la situation catastrophique du fret, qui doit être redresser ... En raison de l'échèc du plan Fret 2006, un nouveau plan vas (et doit) être mis en place, et pourra concerner la fermeture de lignes non rentable (isolement de certaines région francaise) et supression de postes (qui serait sans doute reclassé dans d'autres branche de la SNCF) ...
Je doute fort que nos amis syndicaliste de SUD ou de la CGT laisse passé ca, surtous si nous élisons un homme de petite taille 😏
Philo
"J'ai refait tous les calculs, notre projet est irréalisable, il ne nous reste plus qu'une chose à faire, le réaliser". Latecoere
dyslexique
Bonjour,
"En raison de l'échèc du plan Fret 2006, un nouveau plan vas (et doit) être mis en place, et pourra concerner la fermeture de lignes non rentable (isolement de certaines région francaise) et supression de postes (qui serait sans doute reclassé dans d'autres branche de la SNCF) ... "
Tu trouves fatalement stupide de laisser des régions enclavées et dépourvues de dessertes ?.... Assurer un service sur l'ensemble du territoire national ne me paraît pas scandaleux...
Michel
"En raison de l'échèc du plan Fret 2006, un nouveau plan vas (et doit) être mis en place, et pourra concerner la fermeture de lignes non rentable (isolement de certaines région francaise) et supression de postes (qui serait sans doute reclassé dans d'autres branche de la SNCF) ... "
Tu trouves fatalement stupide de laisser des régions enclavées et dépourvues de dessertes ?.... Assurer un service sur l'ensemble du territoire national ne me paraît pas scandaleux...
Michel
Hola les amis, pas de dérapage
J'ai hésité à répondre à ce message car je craignai une dérive qui commence à s'amorcer 😕
SVP restons zen et contentons nous de répondre uniquement aux questionnement de notre ami du Québec sur ce point: Y a-t-il des risques de grèves cet été ?
« Le paradis n'est pas sur la terre, mais il y en a des morceaux » Jules Renard
Hello Tatra
Non non attention, ce n'est pas ma pensé que je relatait, mais des fait et information qui peuvent filtré de la SNCF ...
@+ Philo
Non non attention, ce n'est pas ma pensé que je relatait, mais des fait et information qui peuvent filtré de la SNCF ...
@+ Philo
"J'ai refait tous les calculs, notre projet est irréalisable, il ne nous reste plus qu'une chose à faire, le réaliser". Latecoere
dyslexique
Bonsoir,
Ah mais on reste très zen 🙂.... Je connais Philobate depuis longtemps et n'ai aucune envie de me lancer dans une polémique avec lui ; je crois surtout que sa façon d'exprimer les choses était ambigüe, rien de plus.
Michel
Ah mais on reste très zen 🙂.... Je connais Philobate depuis longtemps et n'ai aucune envie de me lancer dans une polémique avec lui ; je crois surtout que sa façon d'exprimer les choses était ambigüe, rien de plus.
Michel
Il y aura aussi des législatives au mois de juin. Ce sont ces élections, plus encore que les présidentielles, qui détermineront le choix et donc la politique du futur gouvernement.
Ce sont des élections à deux tours. Le troisième tour se passe parfois dans la rue, mais le mois de septembre est en général préféré par les syndicats, car c'est après les vacances.
Ce sont des élections à deux tours. Le troisième tour se passe parfois dans la rue, mais le mois de septembre est en général préféré par les syndicats, car c'est après les vacances.
Bonjour Patrick,
Judicieuse précision, l'important ce seront les législatives, et cette fois plus encore que d'autres, les lendemains risquent d'être chauds. Probablement que cela attendra septembre, effectivement.
Michel
Judicieuse précision, l'important ce seront les législatives, et cette fois plus encore que d'autres, les lendemains risquent d'être chauds. Probablement que cela attendra septembre, effectivement.
Michel
Bonsoir les zennistes,
restons calmes, faut surtout éviter un déraillement. 😎
S.V.P. restons aiguillés sur le sujet de ce forum. 😮
À savoir la possibilité de grève cet été à la SNCF dans le sud-ouest. Si j'ai bien compris l'idée maîtresse de vos réponses; peut être ben qu'oui, peut être ben qu'non. Mais c'est plus non que oui, pcq les travailleurs du train aiment bien allonger leurs vacances d'été en septembre et non pas avant en juillet. Mais pcq il fait fret (hier il a neigé à Québec) et qu'il y a les législatives à 2 tours en juin, il se peut que l'on isole des régions françaises pcq le petit va être élu à la présidence. Voilà Français, Françaises je vous ai compris!😕
Bon vote et merci pour vos infos.
restons calmes, faut surtout éviter un déraillement. 😎
S.V.P. restons aiguillés sur le sujet de ce forum. 😮
À savoir la possibilité de grève cet été à la SNCF dans le sud-ouest. Si j'ai bien compris l'idée maîtresse de vos réponses; peut être ben qu'oui, peut être ben qu'non. Mais c'est plus non que oui, pcq les travailleurs du train aiment bien allonger leurs vacances d'été en septembre et non pas avant en juillet. Mais pcq il fait fret (hier il a neigé à Québec) et qu'il y a les législatives à 2 tours en juin, il se peut que l'on isole des régions françaises pcq le petit va être élu à la présidence. Voilà Français, Françaises je vous ai compris!😕
Bon vote et merci pour vos infos.
Bonne journée
Cémoué
Un petit éclaircissement dans ce charabia à la française ? 😐 "Fret" est le nom de la branche de la SNCF qui est chargée de transporter les marchandises. En ce moment elle connait quelques difficultés financières qui va sûrement demander quelques mesures déplaisantes pour les cheminots "législatives" est le nom donné à un second vote, qui aura lieu 5 semaines après celui du président, par lequel nous allons désigner les membres de l'assemblée nationale En ce qui concerne "le petit", c'est un candidat aux élections présidentielles qui se carractérise par sa taille (son nom commence par Sarko)PS: SNCF ça veut dire "Société Nationale des Chemins de fer Français" 😄
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Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)