Trek Dakh-Phuktal-Sarchu au Ladakh
by Catys
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Je souhaiterais avoir des informations sur la possibilité d'un trek qui rejoindrait dakh, tsok mesik, phuktal puis retour par Sarchu, (puis manali). qui peut me renseigner? (durée, difficulté? etc.) car ce n'est pas un trajet prévu par les guides dont je dispose (Olizane, et le guide de JL TAillefer)
merci à toutes et tous
Je n'ai pas fait ce trek, mais j'ai tenté d'aller à Shade depuis Phuktal, un jour de Juillet 2005 malgré l'avis contraire des locaux. J'ai donc fait une demi journée du trek que tu prévois. J'ai été arrêté par le premier torrent.
Ce trek n'est réalisable qu'en fin de saison, c'est à dire après le 15 août, à cause de la violence des torrents au plus fort de la fonte des glaciers. Il n'y a aucun point de ravitaillement, il faut donc emporter toute sa nourriture. On peut manger au monastère de Phuktal, à Khan Sar, à Phuktal, et à Kargyak mais tu ne prévois pas d'y passer.
D'après ce qu'on m'a dit, et ce que j'ai pu voir en 2006, on ne peut pas utiliser les chevaux pour le portage, il faut donc un plus grand nombre de porteurs.
Les sentiers peu fréquentés sont plus difficiles et parfois à peine visibles. On y marche moins vite. Mes cartes d'Olizanes, les plus précises qu'on puisse trouver sur le Ladakh, sont dans un colis que je me suis envoyé par bateau depuis Delhi le mois dernier. D'après une carte ladakhi que j'ai sous les yeux, je pense que ce tour peut se faire en 8 jours sans s'arrêter. Attention, l'acclimatation à l'altitude doit être complètement terminée : gros appétit, nuits réparatrices et pouls normal au réveil : 60 ou moins, car on est très haut.
Bien sûr, le mieux serait d'avoir les informations plus fiables de quelqu'un qui aurait fait ce trek, ou au moins la moitié.
Djullé.
en réponse à Djullé 84
merci pour ces informations, effectivement le trajet de ce trek n'est pas indiqué, seuls des sentiers sont signalés sur la carte que j'ai eu sous les yeux. Je pense qu'il serait bon de consulter la nouvelle carte Olizane, que je n'ai pas et aussi de prendre des renseignements auprès des locaux. S'il se confirme que ce trek n'est possible qu'après le 15 août, cela ne sera pas possible pour moi, car je rentre en France à cette date!
je reste à l'affût d'informations complémentaires. Merci à toi et à tous
Re :
Il y a un autre moyen de savoir.
Tu proposes ce trek à une agence aux dates qui te conviennent en donnant le nombre de personnes et en demandant la durée et le prix. Tu verra bien ce qu'ils te proposent.
Il faut envoyer au moins deux ou trois demandes pour avoir plus de chances de tomber sur une agence qui est déjà ouverte.
Djullé.
hello
tu peux suivre les liens de ces sites pour joindre leurs auteurs qui ont fait ce bout de Zangskar récemment http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~graf/Photos/060720Ladakh/index.html http://www.pbase.com/asiatramp/zanskarladakh_trek_07
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tu peux suivre les liens de ces sites pour joindre leurs auteurs qui ont fait ce bout de Zangskar récemment http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~graf/Photos/060720Ladakh/index.html http://www.pbase.com/asiatramp/zanskarladakh_trek_07
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Merci pour ces adresses, et surtout celle de verimag : les photos sont spendides. Elles m'ont donné une envie irrésistible d'aller user mes semelles au milieu de ces paysages.
hello
tu peux suivre les liens de ces sites pour joindre leurs auteurs qui ont fait ce bout de Zangskar récemment
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~graf/Photos/060720Ladakh/index.html
http://www.pbase.com/asiatramp/zanskarladakh_trek_07
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Bonjour
Je suis l’auteur des photos correspondant au premier lien (temporaire, celui-ci devrait être plus pérenne : http://obiou.fr/Photos/060720Ladakh/index.html).
J’avais envisagé cet itinéraire en juillet 2006 comme une alternative au classique Darsha-Padum que j’avais parcouru lors d’un précédent voyage. Nous projetions de rejoindre Phuktal via Tsok-Mesik, le Gotunta La et le Nialo Kontse La ; puis de continuer sur Tantak et Shade… Regarde bien, Cathys, ce trek est décrit dans le Guide Olizane, n°14 de l’édition 2006. C’est à peu près l’itinéraire que nous comptions suivre, mais en sens inverse de la description du topo.
Tout s’est bien passé jusqu’à Tichip, le long de la rive droite de la Tsarap. Nous étions juste surpris du fait que les villages semblaient abandonnés (malgré certains champs cultivés). Il semblerait que ce soit à cause du manque d’eau qui aurait obligé les habitants de ces villages à les quitter. A Tichip d’après le topo Olizane « on rejoint la Zara Chu qui arrive du Rupshu. La traverser et continuer… ». Notre vaine tentative correspond à cette photo : http://obiou.fr/Photos/060720Ladakh/slides/060728-01.html. Et encore l’effet de perspective est trompeur. Celui qui essaye de traverser n’a parcouru que le 1/3 de la largeur, la partie la moins profonde et avec le courant le plus faible. Nous avons remonté la Zara Chu sur plusieurs centaines de mètres sans trouver de traversée. Certes 2006 fut exceptionnellement pluvieux, nous avions une averse par jour ; mais je doute que même en année normale ce gué soit facile. Je compte y retourner, je ne sais quand, mais ce sera à l’automne !
Nous avons alors traversé rive gauche de la Tsarap (pont peu avant Tichip) en espérant trouver un autre pont sur la Tsarap qui nous aurait permis de revenir rive droite plus en aval et ainsi de contourner le gué. Peu après Marshung nous sommes tombés là dessus : http://obiou.fr/Photos/060720Ladakh/slides/060727-13.html. Son état de délabrement, probablement du à l’abandon des villages, nous a dissuadé d’emprunter cette passerelle.
Nous avons alors fait demi tour pour rejoindre la route et rejoindre le Zanskar par Sarchu et le Phirtse La. Chaque fois que nous avons envisagé de rejoindre notre itinéraire initial, les ladakhis nous en ont dissuadé. Même eux différaient leurs voyages. Nous avons continué sur la traversée classique du Zanskar, mais même là, le sentier fut parfois mouillé 😉 (http://obiou.fr/Photos/060806Ladakh/slides/060806-13.html).
En bref, Cathys, ton projet me semble donc risqué pour l’été. J’ai d’ailleurs l’impression, suite à diverses discussions avec des voyageurs, que les derniers étés sont assez arrosés au Ladakh et qu’il vaut mieux n’envisager que des itinéraires ne comportant pas de gués hasardeux.
Bon voyage !
Bonjour
Je suis l’auteur des photos correspondant au premier lien (temporaire, celui-ci devrait être plus pérenne : http://obiou.fr/Photos/060720Ladakh/index.html).
J’avais envisagé cet itinéraire en juillet 2006 comme une alternative au classique Darsha-Padum que j’avais parcouru lors d’un précédent voyage. Nous projetions de rejoindre Phuktal via Tsok-Mesik, le Gotunta La et le Nialo Kontse La ; puis de continuer sur Tantak et Shade… Regarde bien, Cathys, ce trek est décrit dans le Guide Olizane, n°14 de l’édition 2006. C’est à peu près l’itinéraire que nous comptions suivre, mais en sens inverse de la description du topo.
Tout s’est bien passé jusqu’à Tichip, le long de la rive droite de la Tsarap. Nous étions juste surpris du fait que les villages semblaient abandonnés (malgré certains champs cultivés). Il semblerait que ce soit à cause du manque d’eau qui aurait obligé les habitants de ces villages à les quitter. A Tichip d’après le topo Olizane « on rejoint la Zara Chu qui arrive du Rupshu. La traverser et continuer… ». Notre vaine tentative correspond à cette photo : http://obiou.fr/Photos/060720Ladakh/slides/060728-01.html. Et encore l’effet de perspective est trompeur. Celui qui essaye de traverser n’a parcouru que le 1/3 de la largeur, la partie la moins profonde et avec le courant le plus faible. Nous avons remonté la Zara Chu sur plusieurs centaines de mètres sans trouver de traversée. Certes 2006 fut exceptionnellement pluvieux, nous avions une averse par jour ; mais je doute que même en année normale ce gué soit facile. Je compte y retourner, je ne sais quand, mais ce sera à l’automne !
Nous avons alors traversé rive gauche de la Tsarap (pont peu avant Tichip) en espérant trouver un autre pont sur la Tsarap qui nous aurait permis de revenir rive droite plus en aval et ainsi de contourner le gué. Peu après Marshung nous sommes tombés là dessus : http://obiou.fr/Photos/060720Ladakh/slides/060727-13.html. Son état de délabrement, probablement du à l’abandon des villages, nous a dissuadé d’emprunter cette passerelle.
Nous avons alors fait demi tour pour rejoindre la route et rejoindre le Zanskar par Sarchu et le Phirtse La. Chaque fois que nous avons envisagé de rejoindre notre itinéraire initial, les ladakhis nous en ont dissuadé. Même eux différaient leurs voyages. Nous avons continué sur la traversée classique du Zanskar, mais même là, le sentier fut parfois mouillé 😉 (http://obiou.fr/Photos/060806Ladakh/slides/060806-13.html).
En bref, Cathys, ton projet me semble donc risqué pour l’été. J’ai d’ailleurs l’impression, suite à diverses discussions avec des voyageurs, que les derniers étés sont assez arrosés au Ladakh et qu’il vaut mieux n’envisager que des itinéraires ne comportant pas de gués hasardeux.
Bon voyage !
Quelques photos : http://obiou.fr/
Bonjour,
Je constate que tu as 2 guides intéressants. J'ai le guide Olizane, et je suis tenté d'acheter l'autre, mais cela ne fait-il pas double emploi avec le 1er? Quel est le plus ?
Je constate que tu as 2 guides intéressants. J'ai le guide Olizane, et je suis tenté d'acheter l'autre, mais cela ne fait-il pas double emploi avec le 1er? Quel est le plus ?
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Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
Hello,
I’ll be in Nepal from March 6th to 29th (we’re flying into Kathmandu via Varanasi and leaving via Delhi).
I’m a bit confused about the regulations requiring a guide.
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
My wife and I (we’re 63 and 64) aren’t experienced trekkers—we’re more used to walking on terrain with very moderate elevation changes. I’m looking for fairly easy hikes, possibly day trips. Here are my questions: - Does the Poon Hill trek from Pokhara require a guide, or is it better to go through a local agency? (I’ve seen a lot of them offering 4-day packages) - I’d like to do a few multi-day hikes around Jomsom (Kagbeni, Mukitinath, Lupra, Marpha)... Do you need a guide for those, and can you find accommodations easily without booking in advance?
Last question—I’m really hesitant to lug around a sleeping bag or down jacket during our 6 weeks in India. Can you easily find these kinds of items at reasonable prices in Pokhara?
Thanks in advance for any tips you can share! Yann
Hello.
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada
I’m a 56-year-old man who’s done several treks in Nepal and elsewhere. Also passionate about photography. I’m looking for one or more people to form a group for a trek in Nepal. The trek is the Annapurna and Manaslu circuit (24 days), including a stop at Tilicho Lake. I’ve got a great itinerary and the local company seems solid. The price is around $1600. I’ll be in Nepal from April 5 to May 12, 2026, so the trek would need to happen within those dates.
Daniel, Québec, Canada



