Du 29/05 au 12/06/2018 je souhaite réaliser depuis Ulaan Bator une boucle sur 15 jours avec une moto de location . Pour info, je suis déjà allé en Mongolie avec ma propre moto mais je ne connais pas du tout le secteur précité dans le titre!
Je recherche des infos sur un secteur bien précis de l'itinéraire que je souhaite emprunter!
Je voudrais depuis Jargalant rejoindre le lac Terkhiin Tsagaan sans faire un grand détour! A savoir revenir sur mes pas et faire un détour vers l'ouest de plusieurs centaines de kilomètres!
Je ne vois pas sur maps de piste ou route depuis jargalant pour rejoindre la route qui mène vers ce lac!
Est-ce quelqu'un connait ce secteur?
Est-il possible depuis jargalant de rejoindre la route qui mène vers Terkhiin Tsagaan lake en longeant la rivière? Peut être trop humide, marécageux?
Ou en passant la barre montagneuse à condition qu'il y ait une piste?
Est-ce qu'une des deux solutions est réalisable?
Sur la vue satellite, on aperçoit sur des tronçons une piste!
Ce qui m'étonne, c'est que je ne vois pas de photos ajoutées sur maps de ce secteur!
Je suis également preneur, d'un itinéraire (boucle) réalisable sur 15 jours de moto (shineray mustang 150 cm3) pas vers le Gobi mais plus vers le nord!
J' ai parcouru cette piste cet été. Elle ne présente pas de difficulté particulière, elle est meme agréable car très peu de tole ondulée. Elle a du etre refaite il n'y a pas longtemps (la partie qui passe dans une vallée étroite jusqu' à un col.
Tu peux ensuite longer la rive nord du lac Therkiin Tsagaan jusqu'au volcan Khorgo.
Bonne préparation
Eric
Bonjour Eric,
Je te remercie pour cette info, tu me confirme donc que je vais pouvoir depuis jargalant rejoindre la route ou piste qui longe le lac terkhiin tsagaan sans faire un énorme détour.
Tu as peut-être une photo ou un croquis de l'itinéraire que tu as réalisé?
bonsoir,
je ne connais pas ce parcours, mais je viens de vérifier qu'il existe bien une piste marquée (donc en état) sur la carte de Mongolie (Gizi map )
De plus cela est confirmé par les cartes Russes au 200 000e.
Par contre, sur ces même cartes, la piste suit la rivière et semble la traverser quelques fois , donc méfiance en moto dans le cas de rivière avec un niveau d'eau important.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
une info :
cette piste fait environ 95 km jusqu'au lac, en partant vers l'ouest pour rejoindre la piste classique, ce nouveau circuit fait 135 km, soit une petite quarantaine de plus ....
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
Voici une photo du seul gué du parcours (fin juillet 2017).
Ce parcours est décrit dans le guide sur la Mongolie de Cécile et Laurent Bendel. C'est l'itinéraire K3. Il est indiqué que c'est un gué difficile. Donc il y a des fois ou il doit y avoir beaucoup d'eau.
Mais j' ai le sentiment que cette année 2017 a été particulièrement sèche en Mongolie.
Merci pour toutes ces infos, je me doute bien qu'en longeant la rivière cela risque d'être très compliqué surtout début juin!
tu me parles d'une piste de 95 km et un nouveau circuit de 135 km! Est-ce qu tu aurais une trace sur un plan, sur une carte ou une photo de ces 2 pistes dont tu parles?
Comme je l'expliquais à Eric, c'est important pour moi car cela va déterminer la boucle que je souhaiterais faire en 15 jours.
Penses tu qu'en 15 jours plein de moto (shineray mustang 150 cm3) je puisse faire la boucle suivante :
Un collègue devrait faire cette boucle avec moi sur une moto identique!
Oulan Batour - Bulgan - Ikh-Uul - Moron - Alag Erdene - sud est du lac Khovsgol - puis retour sur mes pas vers Moron - Jargalant (c'est là où c'est important de savoir si il existe une piste faisable en moto) pour rallier rapidement une piste ou route vers Tariat puis Terkhiin Tsagaan - Xopro - Tsetserleg - Tsenkher - Karakorum puis récupérer la route qui vient de Arvayheer puis retour Oulan Bator.
Comme je l'ai dit plus haut, je suis preneur d'un itinéraire sympa à faire sur 15 jours en privilégiant la nature, itinéraire vert, vallonné, montagneux mais faisable en moto. Mais pas en direction du gobi!
En août 2014, avec mon africa twin j'ai parcouru la route du sud venant de Tashanta, j'ai pris la direction de Olgiy - Hovd - Altay - Bayanhongor - Arvayheer - Oulan Bator - puis vers le nord Darhan - Sukhbaatar puis la russie.
C'était sur une grande partie du parcours très plat, désertique, beaucoup de tôles ondulées donc pas vraiment sympa cet itinéraire! C'est pour cela que je ne souhaite pas aller en direction du Gobi!
bonjour,
le circuit doit se faire sans problème en 15 j.
Attention , début juin il peut y avoir beaucoup d'eau dans certains gués ...il semble effectivement que cette année cela n'a pas été le cas ( des amis ont traversé la Mongolie en 4X4 début juin , sans avoir de problème avec les passages de rivière, j'ai de mon coté , en juillet 2011 et 2013 , galéré certaines fois)
Les deux pistes envisagées sont celles décrites ci-dessous ;
j'ai fait une erreur de distance sur la plus directe , en fait c'est environ 65 km au lieu de 95 km.
L'autre c'est bien environ 130 km et elle passe par la piste principale venant de l'ouest.
Tu as les WP de précisés en même temps que le parcours.
piste directe :
détour par l'ouest :
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
Je te remercie pour les deux cartes avec WP, c'est exactement ce que je recherchais. Cela est plus clair maintenant. Encore merci.
J'ai également commandé l'ouvrage sur la Mongolie (les plus beaux itinéraires) dont parle Eric dans son message.
hello claude ,
yes je confirme (pardon de ma réponse tardive) je suis passé par là en 2016 .avec la 12.
par contre si tu es en plus leger , j'ai vu qu'il y avait une piste de l'autre coté et tu vouvais rejoindre le volcan . A mon avis un super point de vue sur la plaine et le lac.
Salut Thierry,
Merci pour l'info. J'ai déjà hâte d'y être !
Je vais essayer de me faire une boucle sympa de 15 jours à un prix plus que raisonnable par rapport à ce qui est proposé par les agences spécialisées...
Tu as quel modèle de GPS maintenant ?
Tu prévois un nouveau trip prochainement ?
re bonjour Claude,
j'imagine , oui!! la mongolie est vraiment un endoit en dehors du temps.
J'ai fais ce voyage avec le zumo 660, aujourdhui j'ai le 595lm.
j'ai chopé la voyagite , .. fin d'année je retourne au Rajasthan , et février ... Nordkapp Mourmansk et St Petersbourg .une hivernale.. velue sourires.
a bientôt j'espere .
thierry
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I'll be on my motorcycle with a small tent.
I've noticed that some campsites have exorbitant prices.
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Is the Hoggar massif accessible by road or by (rideable) tracks?
Beyond the official recommendations, I’m really looking for your firsthand experiences.
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I just realized I’ve been registered on VoyageForum since... March 28, 2012 😊. Yet, I’ve barely participated until now.
August 1, 2026, will mark a somewhat special milestone: 5 years on the road.
We left Switzerland on August 1, 2021 with a simple idea: let chance decide our direction. We placed a bottle of wine on a world map, spun it... and it chose our first destination.
A year later, when we arrived in Morocco, we faced a new choice: continue toward Africa or head to Asia. This time, a tarot card game made the decision. Since then, we’ve tried to keep this journey as open to the unexpected as possible.
Today, that adds up to about 120,000 km, 46 countries, and over 1,800 days on the road—mostly by motorcycle, but also by sailboat, train, bus, hitchhiking, or on foot when adventure calls.
Our guiding thread isn’t just the motorcycle, but service exchanges. Instead of simply passing through countries, we try to stop regularly to lend a hand to the people we meet. So far, that’s about 600 days of volunteering.
Over the years, we’ve:
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While we share our adventure on Instagram, Polarsteps, and YouTube, that’s not why we’re here. The forum’s rules about promotion are clear, and I totally get them. If I’m finally taking the time to write, it’s mostly because after five years on the road, I thought our experience might be useful to other travelers.
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preparing for a long motorcycle trip
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the Silk Road and Central Asia
riding in China (with or without a motorcycle)
volunteering and service exchanges while traveling
gear, daily life on the road... or just the unexpected moments that make long-term travel so special
Looking forward to swapping stories and hearing about your adventures too! 😊 Greetings from Thailand, and happy to chat! ✌️
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Do a loop.
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Hello,
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Hi there!
I’m currently planning a 9-day route starting from Marrakech with my husband. We land on the morning of June 13th—so soon! 😊
And we’re flying back to France on June 21st at 9 PM!
We’ve rented two Royal Enfield 450s.
This is our first motorcycle trip in Morocco. I got my license two years ago with the dream of taking this kind of trip, and here we are! ✌️😍
In France, we usually ride between 300 to 400 km per day on roadsters. We’re not used to off-road tracks, so we’re looking for easy ones 😅—especially for me 😅.
For Morocco, I’ve planned stages of 200 to 300 km per day.
Here’s the idea:
Day 1 (departure at noon): Marrakech - Tizi n Test - Tafingoult (165 km - 4h15)
Day 2: Tafingoult - Amzarkou - Telouet (200 km - 4h34)
Day 3: Telouet - Ait Benhaddou - Ouarzazate - Boumalne (200 km - 3h30) (+ Vallée des Roses maybe)
Day 4: Boumalne - Dades Gorges - Agoudal - Todra Gorges - Tinghir - Goulmima (291 km - 6h)
Day 5: Goulmima - Midelt - Cirque Jaffar - Agoudim (280 km - 4h45)
Day 6: Agoudim - Imilchil - Aghbala - El Ksiba (280 km - 4h45)
Day 7: El Ksiba - La Cathédrale - Zaouiat Ahansal (212 km - 4h20)
Day 8: Ahansal - Ouzoud Waterfalls via R 302 (188 km - 4h22)
Day 9: Ouzoud - Marrakech (160 km - 2h43)
End of the trip 😮.
What do you think?
We haven’t booked any hotels—is that a problem? We were thinking of deciding day by day based on our progress.
Can we take our helmets with us in the cabin, or should we pack them in the checked luggage surrounded by clothes to avoid damage?