Bonjour,
je n'arrive pas a savoir si le JR Pass concerne toutes les lignes de chemin de fer au Japon. Nous allons faire les sites touristiques comme Nagoya, Gero, Takayama, shirakawa-go, kanawaza, kyoto, kosasan, himeji, Mont Shosha, hiroshima, Miyajima puis Tokyo, Nikko et Hakone. Savez-vous si tous ces trajets sont compris dans le JR Pass ou faut-il s'attendre à payer des compléments? Va-t-on emprunter des lignes privées payantes? Car quitte à payer le pass, autant qu'il soit efficace?
Par ailleurs, ceux qui auraient des commentaires sur les suppléments à payer sont les bienvenus.
Enfin, quelqu'un connaitrait un lien vers une carte détaillée des chemins de fers japonais?
Merci d'avance pour vos réponses qui serait une aide précieuse.
Les infos que tu donnes sont trop vagues pour répondre avec précision. Pour être précis, il faudrait qu'on connaisse ton itinéraire exact. Pour faire certains trajets, il y a 4 possibilités différentes, donc autant de réponses. mêmes sans précisions, je peux déjà te dire que Koyasan, Shirakawago, Hakone ne sont pas accessibles en JR
Pour être clair, le JR pass est valable sur tous les train JR (quelque soit le groupe (Hokkaido, East, Central, West, Shikoku, Kyushu) à l'exception des shinkansen Nozomi. Les bus JR sont aussi valables ainsi que le ferry Miyajimaguchi - Miyajima. Il y a un supplément pour la plupart des trains de nuit.
TOUT le reste n'est pas compris dans le pass. C'est à dire tous les bus de ville, tous les trams, tous le métros, toutes les compagnies ferroviaires privées, toutes les compagnies privées de bus, toutes les compagnies maritimes ainsi que les funiculaires et les téléphériques.
Donne nous ton trajet exact et on pourra te dire ce que coute chaque trajet non inclus dans la JR pass.
Je vous soumet mon itinéraire qui connait deux variantes :
19 : Nagoya-Fukui (hébergement la-bas) ou variante 2 :20 : Kanazawa- Shirazago ou variante 2 Kyoto21: Shirazago-Takayama ou Kyoto22: gero-kyoto23 : kyoto24: kyoto25 : kyoto-nara26 : nara-himeji et mont shosha27 : mont shosha-hiroshima-miyajima28 : hiroshima- Koyasan29 : koyasan-kamakura30: tokyo-nikkopuis un jour tokyo-hakonepuis retour Hakone-nagoya
variante 2 :19:Nagoya-Kyoto20:Kyoto21: kyoto22: kyoto-nara23: nara24 : nara-kanazawa25 : kanazawa-shirazago26: shirazago-takayama-gero27: gero-koyasan28 : koyasan-Himeji29- mont shosha-hiroshima30: miyajima-kamakura31 tokyo puis fin comme la variante 1.
Quel marathon... idéal pour tout "apercevoir" et ne rien vraiment voir, du vrai tourisme "à la Japonaise" tel qu'on l'entend en France... Et presque rien à Tokyo, quel dommage !!! A moins que tu n'ailles au Japon que pour tester les trains, attendre dans les gares et trimbaler tes bagages, après tout, pourquoi pas...
Je sais que les trains au Japon sont rapides mais quand meme, Hiroshima - tokyo, c'est 5h de train (car le Nozomi ne marche pas avec le JP pass).
Il faudrait je pense éliminier une ou deux destinations. Je pense en particulier à Koya san...malheureusement. Mais si c'est simplement le faite de dormir dans un temple qui justifie la visite, il y a plein d'autres endroits où c'est possible. J'ai une adresse à Takayama par exemple et il traine sur ce forum des adresses à Kyoto également il me semble.
Mon carnet de route pour la Namibie
Mon carnet de route pour le Japon (en construction)
Et presque rien à Tokyo, quel dommage !!!
On a vraiment du mal à se comprendre sur Tokyo. Pour moi, c'est le lieu où je rencontre des copain, 2-3 trucs a faire, aller chercher mes commandes dans 2-3 magasins et puis je me casse.
A moins que tu n'ailles au Japon que pour tester les trains, attendre dans les gares
Tu oublies que c'est pour ça que j'y vais. Mais je sais je suis un cas spécial.
Ceci dit, pas si spécial quand même puisque mes copains japonais vont venir en Belgique pour faire la même chose.
-19 : Nagoya-Fukui (hébergement la-bas) ou variante 2 :
facile, 2h10 de JR avec un ltd express Shirasagi20 : Kanazawa- Shirazago ou variante 2 Kyoto
C'est du bus, a payer a part. bien se renseigner, peu de bus par jour.21: Shirazago-Takayama ou Kyoto
C'est aussi du bus. En fin de journée il serait possible de rejoindre Gero. 48 minutes de train JR (Wide view Hida) depuis Takayama.22: gero-kyoto
+-2h30 de trajet en train JR (Wide view hida et Hikari Shinkansen, correspondance à Nagoya23 : kyoto24: kyoto25 : kyoto-nara
Super facile, en JR ou en Kintetsu. 63 minutes avec le JR26 : nara-himeji et mont shosha
2h de trajet en JR avec une correspondance. puis Take Shinki Bus number 8 from either Himeji Station or Himeji Castle to the terminal stop "Mount Shosha Ropeway" (30 minutes, 260 yen one way, departures every 15-20 minutes). Then, take the Mount Shosha Ropeway up the mountain (500 yen one way, 900 yen round trip, departures every 15 minutes).
-27 : mont shosha-hiroshima-miyajima
1h40 de trajet en JR jusque miyajimaguchi, puis bateau JR28 : hiroshima- Koyasan
4h38, 4 changements, à payer le metro de Osaka (270JPY) et le Nankai (1280JPY)
Bref, pas drôle du tout. Je ne le ferais pas29 : koyasan-kamakura
Limite impossible. en fonction des heures, entre 6 et 9 correspondances et plus de 6h de trajet.
Si non, 1280JPY de Nankai, 270 de metro, le reste du JR. Mais pour aller au Daibutsu, il faut prendre un train local jusque Hase (190JPY)30: tokyo-nikko
+-2h et un changement, le tout en JR. Si non direct avec le Tobu (3600JPY pour un pass 1 jour)puis un jour tokyo-hakone
Hakone, oui, mais quoi et ou? Hakone est un nom générique. Entre Hakone Yumoto et Ashi-ko, il y a une sérieuse différence. De toute manière, il est possible d'aller en JR jusque odawara, puis tout le reste est du privé. Il existe des pass http://www.odakyu.jp/english/freepass/fujihakone.htmlpuis retour Hakone-nagoya
depuis Odawara, en shinkansen, 1h12.
variante 2 :19:Nagoya-Kyoto
1h en shinkansen JR20:Kyoto21: kyoto22: kyoto-nara
Super facile, en JR ou en Kintetsu. 63 minutes avec le JR
-23: nara24 : nara-kanazawa
+ de 3h, un changement à Kyoto, en JR25 : kanazawa-shirazago
C'est du bus, a payer a part. bien se renseigner, peu de bus par jour.
-26: shirazago-takayama-gero
C'est aussi du bus. En fin de journée il serait possible de rejoindre Gero. 48 minutes de train JR (Wide view Hida) depuis Takayama.
-27: gero-koyasan
et c'est reparti pour les trucs impossibles. c'est entre 5 et 8 h et entre 4 et 9 correspondance
à payer le metro de Osaka (270JPY) et le Nankai (1280JPY)
-28 : koyasan-Himeji
3h30 et 3 changements
à payer le metro de Osaka (270JPY) et le Nankai (1280JPY)
-29- mont shosha-hiroshima
1h en hikari shinkansen depuis himeji30: miyajima-kamakura
6h30, 4 changements, a payer le métro de yokohama (230JPY)
Bref, pas conseillé31 tokyo puis fin comme la variante 1.
Si je devais réécrire cet horraire, je prendrais quelques points d'attache et je ferais des excurcions sans bagages ou juste avec un petit sac. Changer d'hôtel tous les jours est assez crevant et peu prendre du temps pour le trouver. En prenant un hôtel à Tokyo (bien placé dans le bon quartier, on peut faire un jour à Kamakura, un jour à Hakone, un jour à Nikko, en rentrant le soir.
On pourrait de même envisager de loger à Himeji et d'aller un jour à Hiroshima et un jour au mont shosha.
voir même de loger à Kyoto pour faire kyoto en elle même, nara, Koyasan, et puis avec juste un petit sac, himeji et le mont shosha puis aller dormir à Hiroshima, visiter Hiroshima et Miyajima puis revenir au même hôtel de Kyoto.
Ceci dit, c'est pas moi qui ferai le voyage. Donc, même si je pense que ce n'est pas optimum, c'est matériellement faisable.
Un trajet fictif sur une carte est une chose mais la réalité en est une autre donc merci pour vos remarques qui m'aident vraiment à savoir ce qui est de l'imagiaire et ce qui reste faisable.
Suite aux différents commentaires, je pense qd meme faire la boucle Gero-Kanazawa-Shirazago-Takayama pour voir les alpes japonaises.
Ensuite profiter de Kyoto et Nara.
Puis direction Himeji-Hiroshima-Miyajima.
Puis une journée ou ca sera pour aller à Tokyo et là plusieurs jours à Tokyo et excursion à la journée comme Nikko.
Par contre je dois enlever un truc de mon périple et je ne sais pas lequel entre Koyasan ou Kamakura? quels sont vos avis? Sachant que l'on va dormir dans un temple à Kyoto et au Mont Shosha (à moins que nous n'allions pas au Mont Shosha??). Koyasan, je le sens moyen avec les nombreuses correspondances et le temps de trajet, en vaut-t-il vraiment le détour si on a fait les autres lieux déjà évoqués?
Je cherche quand meme ce qui est "optimum". Merci
ah oui enfin concernant Hakone, on voudrait y aller le 3 novembre car les guides mentionnents le matsuri à cette date. Par contre, rien concernant le lieu précis. Donc si vous avez des infos?
Alors pour vraiment aller à Koya-san, le mieux est de dormir le soir à Osaka, près de ShinImamiya (un peu glauque mais toujours sans risque) ou Namba (très animé) afin d'être au 1ères heures dans le train et direction Koyasan. Il y a des trains directs depuis ces stations. Le seul changement est pour prendre le téléphérique à l'arrivée 🙂. Toutes les wagons ne vont pas toujours à Koyasan mais c'est relativement facile de s'y retrouver.
Horaires ici : http://www.nankaikoya.jp/en/iku/01.html
Mais si tu vas à Koya san, il faut compter bien 1 jour 1/2 en tout alors il faudra calculer ton coup avec les autres visites...
Mon carnet de route pour la Namibie
Mon carnet de route pour le Japon (en construction)
🙂Bonsoir, voici deux liens pour le Japan Rail Pass avec possibilité d'achat en ligne.
Tout est décrit, mais il faut l'acheter avant le départ.
Bonne chance pour votre voyage.
Si j'achète un Japan rail pass en France est ce que je dois indiquer les 7 jours que je souhaite ou bien est ce que la semaine est décomptée seulement à partir…
I’m planning a trip around Italy using only trains or public transport in October (hoping the weather stays nice!).
I’d obviously like to see some tourist destinations, but I also want to get off the beaten path a bit, and I’m hoping to find some help here? I don’t plan to linger too long in the cities.
Starting in the north, I’d like to visit Lake Como or Lake Orta, pass through the Cinque Terre for some hiking, spend a few days in Naples and Rome, then head down to Sicily.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
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I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
- A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan
- A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
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We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
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Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
Which train should I take, where to get off, what to see once I arrive, etc.
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
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Charlie
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
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I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us.
I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com.
Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend?
Are the tickets changeable?
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas).
This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima.
I’m looking for suggestions and advice:
Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips...
Do you think it’s possible to do something like this:
5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku)
3 nights in Kyoto
2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo?
2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy...
Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question:
Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.