Je serai au Laos avec mon ami environ en avril pour environ 1 mois au cours d'un voyage de 8 mois.
Pour un premier voyage au Laos, ce qui est vraiment important pour nous n'est pas de gagner des contrées enclavées qu’aucun occidental n’a foulées, mais en premier lieu que le tourisme auquel nous participons ne soit pas néfaste aux populations. D’une part que l’argent donné à un guide apporte une aide à la communauté… en étant investi dans des projets de développement, ou simplement en allant bien dans la poche de sa famille sans profiter à une agence qui n’a pas de lien avec les villageois, d’autre part que la fréquentation par des occidentaux ne soit pas excessive au point d’avoir métamorphosé le mode de vie en un théâtre à leur intention.
Bref que les locaux ne soient pas passifs dans la démarche mais moteurs, que ce soient eux qui gère le tourisme chez eux et qui en récoltent les bénéfices.
Je vis peut être dans le monde des bisounours ç espérer qu'une telle démarche de tourisme « sain » existe en Asie du sud est….
Les agences locales au Laos sont décrites dans le lonely comme exemplaires au niveau éthique, maitrisant le nombre de visiteurs dans les villages, et assurant le reversement de l’argent au bénéfice des populations.
Voici un récapitulatif des bases de « treck » du lonely, avec les agences « d’écotourisme » recommandées (en gras).
Vous remarquerez les guillemets pour deux mots bien publicitaires à la signification…flottante !
Disons « excursions » et agences « suffisamment éthique »
nhong khiaw : « très touristique »
uxomxai = muang xai : « peu touristique »
znp de nam ha : le nam ha ecotourism project www.unescobkk.org/culture
vieng phonkha "base de trek les plus spectaculaires de la province"
chaloen suk
muang sin : muang sing tourism information & trekking guide service center, 50% reversé aux villageois (seulement !?)
phongsali: office provincial du tourisme de phongsali
province de Sainyabuli : "villages difficilement accessibles"
ZNP de Phu Hin Bun : excusions organisées par ONG SNV et la région, argent réinvesti dans des projets de développementa - Ecoguide Unit: pour 2personnes: 46$/2j, 76$/3j
dong natar : "villages très traditionnels, visitables seul en moto"
ZNP de dong phu vieng : "un des treks les plus fascinant": 150$/2pers/3j
ZPN de se pian : trek de Ta ong "le plus difficile du laos avec nuit dans un village très isolé"
ZNP de dong hua sao : 10$/j avec repas
Salavan : "base pour explorer villages mohn kmères qui séduira les plus intrepides"
znp de se pian : un seul guide anglophone M Yae de attapeu travel and tour
znp de song ampham (lac volcanique) excursion de 3-7 jours avec nuits en tente et villages toujours avec ce fameux M Yae
Avez-vous entendu parler « sur le terrain » d’une de ces agences qui revendiquent être des projets « d’écotourisme » ?
C’est donc pour la bonne cause, néanmoins les coûts d’une excursion avec services de ces guides me paraissent exorbitants…qu’en pensez vous ?
Question récurrente : dans quelle région peut-on trouver des cartes à peu près fiables pour être autonomes?
Merci pour vos retours d'expérience et vos conseils! 😉
que le tourisme auquel nous participons ne soit pas néfaste aux populations. D’une part que l’argent donné à un guide apporte une aide à la communauté… en étant investi dans des projets de développement, ou simplement en allant bien dans la poche de sa famille sans profiter à une agence qui n’a pas de lien avec les villageois, d’autre part que la fréquentation par des occidentaux ne soit pas excessive au point d’avoir métamorphosé le mode de vie en un théâtre à leur intention.
Ta démarche est louable... mais je trouve que tu te poses trop de questions.
Tu essaies de maîtriser quelque chose qu'il n'est pas en ton pouvoir de contrôler et qui t'échappera... parce qu'en un mois de présence, tu n'auras pas d'autre choix que de faire confiance ou d'y aller au feeling.
Mais à quel feeling se fier lorsqu'on ne connait pas un pays, ses us, ses coutumes, ses habitants et qu'on n'en parle pas la langue.
Si tu vas vers les autres avec humilité, prévenance et discrétion... en mettant le moins de filtres ou d'intermédiaires possibles entre toi et ces autres, ce sera déjà bien.
Il y a 2 agences au Laos, que je connais bien, qui pratique un tourisme equitable et dans un souci de developpement durable : Green Discovery Laos et Tiger Trail.
Salut Kastiel !
Nous sommes sur Ventiane et encore 2 semaines dans le nord du Laos, ton message me plait bien as tu des bons retours d'expérience à nous faire ? Merci d'avance !
Desolee de repondre si tard, vous etes surement deja partis...mais je suis em voyage donc je n ai pas trop le temps d aller sur interet...
Donc mes experiences de 'trek' au laos ont finalement ete:
2 jours a muang simg, au nord de luang namtha
1 jour a muang ngoi, au nord de nomg kiaw
Mon avis est issu de ma petite experience et de celle d autres voyageurs avec qui j ai discute. Comme tout avis personnel, a prendre avec des pincettes, et a recouper avec d autres points de vues, notamment de gens qui connaissent mieux le laos.
Finalement le prefixe eco ne veut pas dire grand chose... Je pense que c est vraiment un terme publicitaire qui plait au touriste. Cest la classe de pouvoir placer en soiree " j ai fait un ecotreck au Laos" :)
Dans les grandes agences qui ont des bureaux partout au laos, Tigertrail et Greendoscovery, il y a bien, dans le beau classeur vert le petit diagramme camenbert qu on attendait "Where does you money go?": une partie a l agence, une autre pour le trek lui meme (nourriture, nuit dans le village...), une partie pour le guide et enfin pour soutenir des projets de developement. Mais ca reste tres vague, on se saura jamais quel sont ces fameux "projets de developpement".
Pour ma part, j ai trouve les prix de ces trek exorbitants. 40 euros par jour et par personne, le prix diminue avec le nombre de personnes, mais faire un trek a 5 personnes c est un peu le cirque. Ces experiences sont interessantes, mais je ne trouve pas que elle justifient de tels tarifs, mais sachant que la plupart des voyageurs petits budjets ont un budjet journalier entre 10 et 20 euros, c est carrement du trek de luxe.
Nous avons a chaque fois reussi a trouve des agences moins cheres, nous nous etions fixes un maximun de 15 euros pour un trek de 1 jour, et 20 pour 2 jour. Et en questionnant le guide sur ce qu il touchait, nous avons constate que malgre l abscense du joli dragramme, la repartition de l argent etait similaire a celle des treks de luxes.
A muang sing, il ne m a pas semble que les gens avaient particulierement envie de recevoir des farangs. Ils etaient payes pour nous heberger, mais n avait aucune envie d echanger avec nous.
Bref ces treks a la rencontre des villages me semblent decidement un peu artificiels...
J espere que vous avez plus apprecie vos experiences treks que nous!
Par contre, nous avons eu une excellente experience en thailande, a mae sariang, exactement ce qui nous esperions. J ecrirai dessus dans une autre discussion!
Je pars au Laos en aout. Je me pose beaucoup de questions également quant à ce voyage et je suis bien interéssée par ton retour d'expérience.
Qu'as-tu pensez du pays en général?
Comment s'est passé l'autre treck vers Muang ngoi?
Merci d'avance.
Bonjour,
Le trek a muang gnoi etait sympa, mais pas exeptionnel. Le guide marchait si lentement que nous l avons surnomme la tortue, serieusement sonallure etait incroyable dans les montees, au bout d un moment on en pouvait plus, on l a double quand il n y avait qun seul sentier.
Des qu ona vu ces grandes falaises qui surplonbaient la nam ou, on a eu envie de les grimper, mais la rando n est, je pense, pas la meilleure facon de profiter du paysage. Nous avons aussi fait du kayak ( louer plutot au laotien qui baragouine l anglais, qu a l agence, cest beaucoup moins cher, et oui on est oblige de remonter la riviere en portant le kanoe sur un bateau, on a essaye de remonter le courrant en pagayant vaillament, au debut on avancait un peu mais on a tres vite eu l air de deux debiles).
Globallement, j ai largement prefere les paysages du nord, surtout muang gnoi et vang vieng ( malgre les restes de l ambience de teuf excessive avec les bars qui passent friends en boucle, il sufit de louer des velos et de s eloigner du chemin frequente qui va au blue lagoon, bof d ailleurs, et on se retrouve seul au milieu de paysages magnifiques)
Dans le sud, c est plus plat beaucoup moins impressionant.
Bon voyage!
Nous sommes 4 à partir découvrir le Laos pour 4 semaines en janvier 2015. Nous souhaitons faire un treck de 2;3 ou 4 jours selon l’intérêt dans le nord, mais…
Je suis à Luang Prabang et je voudrais faire 2 trekkings de 2 jours/1 nuit à Phongsali puis dans le ZNP de Nam Ha, mais je voyage en petit budget. J'ai besoin…
Nous allons au Laos en décembre 2025, et nous voulons faire un treck de plusieurs jour, voir une semaine pour vraiment prendre notre temps et faire des pauses…
Nous projetons un séjour de 3 semaines au Laos principalement voir uniquement dans le Nord, nous voulons baser notre séjour principalement autour de deux treks…
Hi,
Since I can't take on long treks, I'd love to know if there are any nice hikes around Pokhara—or maybe in another region of Nepal. Day hikes or two-day trips would be perfect.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone,
I’m leaving on Monday, August 3rd for my very first long-distance trek: the GR223 from Coutances to Mont Saint-Michel, over 6-7 days (~11-14 miles/day), solo.
I’m looking for tips from people who know this section well (Coutances → Regnéville-sur-Mer → Hauteville-sur-Mer → Bréhal → Granville → Genêts → bay crossing):
Budget-friendly accommodations: I’m struggling to find affordable stopover lodgings (a lot of what I find online are expensive vacation rentals, not really suited for a solo hiker). If you have any great spots (hostels, hiker-friendly B&Bs, nice campgrounds), I’d love to hear them!
Bay crossing: Any feedback on guides/providers leaving from Genêts for the final crossing?
General tips for a first long-distance trek: What you wish you’d known before your first time, pitfalls to avoid, etc.
Hi,
We’re planning to do the 4-day trek from Mestia to Ushguli without an agency. The descriptions mention that there are accommodations at each stop, but we can’t find any details about them. Has anyone got info or feedback on this route?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
New to this forum, I’m planning a pretty big project for 2028.
I’m heading to Nepal to do a trek from Kathmandu all the way to Everest Base Camp (a cool 5,300 m 😄).
This trek is a bit special because even though I’ll be part of a group, I’m going solo (so far, no problem—I’m used to it). But it’s my first real trek, and it’s also a humanitarian one: once I reach base camp, I’ll stay an extra week to help clean up the waste left by tens of thousands of climbers! Since I’m originally from South America, from two countries that share the Andes, I have a deep respect for mountains—they fascinate me. So Everest… it’s kind of the trip of a lifetime!
So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
We're planning to trek in Peru and Bolivia and would love to find some local agencies.
If you know any, could you share details on prices and, of course, the names of the agencies?
Which trek would you recommend?
Elocine
I'm heading out on a fully self-sufficient trek in Morocco (10 days) from Imilchil to Aghbalou.
Can I find screw-on gas canisters (Coleman, Primus) in Marrakech (any addresses?) or in villages between Imilchil and Aghbalou?
If not, are Butagaz canisters for camping gas (small 230g size) available?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello, I’d like to embark on a little trip in my home country, Switzerland. I’ll start walking from La Cure, heading toward Le Noirmont first, then I’ll improvise my route—but it’ll probably follow the French border... at least as far as Lac de Joux.
I’ll decide day by day how much farther to go after that. My goal is to stay in nature as much as possible, wander around for as long as I can, and restock food in villages or towns along the way.
I’m thinking of mostly camping, but we’ll see if I end up in a hotel or another campsite depending on my route.
I’d love to reach La Chaux-de-Fonds on foot... maybe even Delémont.
The whole thing should take about a week, give or take.
I’ll be bringing my dog, and I’m preparing for this as soon as I’m ready.
Any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly for us? Things I should know—or avoid? What about shepherds with their flocks of sheep? And isn’t hunting season open right now?
I’m not sure if what I’m planning is even doable, which is why I’m asking around.
This’ll be my first time doing something like this—wandering in nature *and* with a dog. I’m really excited for this adventure... and I need it. Thanks!
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries!
Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike.
It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge.
I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle.
In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details:
We arrive in early August and leave in early September.
We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery!
We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat?
Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations.
Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July.
I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route.
Can anyone give me some info on this?
Thanks!
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there?
A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions?
For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip...
Thanks for your tips!
Have a great day,
Anie, Toulouse
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice?
Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish.
I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips?
Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina?
At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands.
Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili.
Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?)
There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4.
If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
