Message dédié a un indien qui a vécu en Inde si possible
by Liliadrien
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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🙂je suis en ce moment en inde pour des vacances et je vis le calvaire et poutant c`etait une destination que je revais de faire dpuis toujours....pouquoi je dis calvaire car je suis black et quand on marche dans la rue avec mon mari les gens me regrdent et riglent au debut je le prenais pas mal mais au fur et a mesure ca devenait pesant, un jour on etait dans un resto et les serveurs n`arretaient pas de me regarder et de se foutre de ma gueule je te jure quand tu vis ca je peux te dire que un jour peut te sembler une eternite....ils nous arrivaient aussi de prendre le bus mais a chaque fois les gens se mettaient a l`ecart pour ne pas me toucher, on etait aussi dans un parc et les gens me regrdaient en s`appelant les uns les autres pour me regarder bref j`en ai des tonnes de messages comme cela a donner et je voulais juste si possible qu`un idien puisse m`expliquer le pouquoi ????😐🙁
Le "racisme" (j'écris racisme entre guillemet car il s'agit plutôt de préjugé ou d'ignorance et pas de racisme au sens éthymologique, quoi que...) et la bêtise sont une des choses les mieux partagées du monde. En Inde aussi, plus on a la peau blanche, mieux on est considéré (consciemment ou non), d'ailleurs en ce moment il y a une grande polémique au sujet de Shah Rukh Khan qui fait une pub pour un produit qui blanchit la peau !!! Lis le Ramayana et tu verras que les "méchants" notamment le roi du Sri Lanka, Ravana, a la peau noire ! Regardes les brahmanes au Kerala, ils ont la peau plus claire que les autres; regardes les hors castes ou les populations des bidonsvilles dans le nord de l'Inde, souvent ils ont la peau plus foncée.... Regardes la rubrique des mariages dans les journaux, la sélection des partenaires par castes, par religion (ce n'est pas écrit mais la couleur de la peau a aussi son importance, l'argent aussi évidemment). Pourquoi les dravidiens du sud de l'Inde ressentent-ils une sorte d'impérialisme de la part des indo-européens du nord de l'Inde --> toujours la même histoire... Ce n'est pas demain la veille que les personnes à peau noire seront vraiment à égalité avec les personnes à peau blanche, tu devrais le savoir depuis longtemps !!! Ce qui m'étonne, c'est ton étonnement...
Il ne faut pas idéaliser l'Inde et les indiens, qui ont certes des côtés tolérants et qui essayent eux-aussi de se soigner contre les injustices et l'intolérance (cf. les quotas pour les basses-castes, la devise sans cesse répétée "l'unité dans la diversité", le discours des grands leaders politiques au moins ceux du parti du Congrès), mais qui ont aussi nombreux préjugés, souvent issus de leur éducation et parfois entretenus par des intérêts purement économiques (regardes le sort qui est réservés aux "tribals" en Inde par exemple --> puisque tu es black intéresses-toi par exemple à la tribu des Onges aux îles Andamans et tu seras étonné -->tiens voici un lien intéressant à ce sujet http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=6734967854625280345).
Un conseil, si tu en as marre, vas dans le sud du sud (Tamil Nadu ou Kerala), là-bas aussi les gens sont blacks (différents physiquement des africains ou des antillais mais blacks), peut-être te regarderont-ils moins comme une bête curieuse (ce n'est pas sûr !!!).
Il ne faut pas idéaliser l'Inde et les indiens, qui ont certes des côtés tolérants et qui essayent eux-aussi de se soigner contre les injustices et l'intolérance (cf. les quotas pour les basses-castes, la devise sans cesse répétée "l'unité dans la diversité", le discours des grands leaders politiques au moins ceux du parti du Congrès), mais qui ont aussi nombreux préjugés, souvent issus de leur éducation et parfois entretenus par des intérêts purement économiques (regardes le sort qui est réservés aux "tribals" en Inde par exemple --> puisque tu es black intéresses-toi par exemple à la tribu des Onges aux îles Andamans et tu seras étonné -->tiens voici un lien intéressant à ce sujet http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=6734967854625280345).
Un conseil, si tu en as marre, vas dans le sud du sud (Tamil Nadu ou Kerala), là-bas aussi les gens sont blacks (différents physiquement des africains ou des antillais mais blacks), peut-être te regarderont-ils moins comme une bête curieuse (ce n'est pas sûr !!!).
Les guides touristiques bien faits tels que le Lonely Planet mettent en garde les voyageurs noirs contre le racisme indien à l'égard des personnes de type négroïde. Je conçois le calvaire que ce doit être et je te plains de tout mon coeur, mais ce n'est pas une nouveauté.
Même en Inde du Sud où la plupart des gens ont la peau foncée, voire d'un noir d'ébène, et des traits parfois légèrement négroïdes, il vaut mieux ne pas évoquer une théorie selon laquelle les Indiens du Sud pourraient avoir quelques ancêtres africains. C'est pour nos amis dravidiens une hypothèse aussi honteuse qu'absurde.
Pour le reste, je crois que Stalingrad a tout dit et qu'il n'y a rien à ajouter, à l'exception toutefois d'un témoignage optimiste à la fin de cette discussion: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1007426;
Même en Inde du Sud où la plupart des gens ont la peau foncée, voire d'un noir d'ébène, et des traits parfois légèrement négroïdes, il vaut mieux ne pas évoquer une théorie selon laquelle les Indiens du Sud pourraient avoir quelques ancêtres africains. C'est pour nos amis dravidiens une hypothèse aussi honteuse qu'absurde.
Pour le reste, je crois que Stalingrad a tout dit et qu'il n'y a rien à ajouter, à l'exception toutefois d'un témoignage optimiste à la fin de cette discussion: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=1007426;
Si tu ouvres tes yeux d'enfant, le voyage commence au seuil de ta maison
Je ne sais pas si les dravidiens ont de lointains ancêtres africains, c'est une vraie question. Les lectures que j'ai faites jusqu'à présent me font penser qu'il y a quelques millénaires les ancêtres des dravidiens actuels (à peau noire ou foncée) occupaient une grande partie du sous-continent (peut-être les habitants de Mohejo Daro étaient-ils de la même "famille"), puis ces populations ont été progressivement dominées dans le nord du sous-continent et la vallée du Gange par les arrivées progressives de populations "blanches" de la famille des indo-européens, en provenance des steppes de la Russie actuelle, via l'Iran et l'Afghanistan actuels. Les seuls éléments qui fondent cette hypothèse sont les études linguistiques et peut-être aussi l'études des religions et des mythes védiques puis hindouistes (les cultes shivaïques par exemple seraient très anciens et plutôt d'origine dravidienne; on retrouverait d'ailleurs des cultes semblables dans le moyen orient --> la Kaaba par exemple avant sa récupération par l'Islam, les cultes dyonisiaques dans le monde grec, etc.). Donc je ne pense pas que si les dravidiens ont vraiment des ancêtres africains ce soit des africains venus par la mer (comme les Arabes sont venus sur la côte Malabar pour le commerce depuis la plus haute antiquité); je pense qu'il y avait des populations de la famille des dravidiens (du moins leurs ancêtres) entre l'Afrique du nord (en particulier en Egypte car la civilisation égyptienne antique était celle de populations noires, de type africain noir), le Moyen Orient actuel et le sous-continent indien. Puis sont venues des invasions brutales ou diffuses (un peu comme en Europe de l'ouest) qui ont repoussé les populations autochtones vers le sud.
Ce qui me laisse perplexe, c'est lorsque je suis allée aux îles Andamans où j'ai vu quelques survivants des tribus "Onge" qui ressemblent comme deux gouttes d'eau aux pygmés africains : des gens de très petite taille, à la peau très noire et aux cheveux crépus. Je me souviens par exemple d'une famille onge sur le bateau qui m'amenait de Port Blair à Havelock; cette petite famille (c'est le cas de le dire étant donnée leur taille, mais aussi leur nombre un homme, apparemment sa femme et leur enfant) semblait à la fois intégrée dans la société indienne actuelle (même vêtements, même façon de se comporter, même nourriture), et aussi très isolée au milieu de tous ces indiens en majorité d'origine soit bengali soit tamoul, un peu comme les "derniers des Mohicans", les derniers représentants de populations en train de disparaître.
Ce qui me laisse perplexe, c'est lorsque je suis allée aux îles Andamans où j'ai vu quelques survivants des tribus "Onge" qui ressemblent comme deux gouttes d'eau aux pygmés africains : des gens de très petite taille, à la peau très noire et aux cheveux crépus. Je me souviens par exemple d'une famille onge sur le bateau qui m'amenait de Port Blair à Havelock; cette petite famille (c'est le cas de le dire étant donnée leur taille, mais aussi leur nombre un homme, apparemment sa femme et leur enfant) semblait à la fois intégrée dans la société indienne actuelle (même vêtements, même façon de se comporter, même nourriture), et aussi très isolée au milieu de tous ces indiens en majorité d'origine soit bengali soit tamoul, un peu comme les "derniers des Mohicans", les derniers représentants de populations en train de disparaître.
Je vous transmets un article que je viens de trouver sur internet(ça va dans le sens de ce que disait Stalingrad"La connerie était ce qui était le plus partagée au monde").
Beaucoup le considèrent comme le grand-père de l´ADN. Les travaux de ce biochimiste et de ses comparses Francis Crick et Maurice Wilkins sur l´ADN étaient précurseurs dans les années soixante, récompensés de fait par la plus prestigieuse des récompenses: le Prix Nobel de Médecine en 1962. Mais voilà, le grand-père de 79 ans a fait une déclaration pour le moins choquante - d´autant plus vu son statut d´éminence grise - dans le Sunday Times de dimanche: il s´y dit "fondamentalement triste au sujet de l´Afrique", puisque "toutes nos politiques sociales sont fondées sur le fait que leur intelligence est identique à la nôtre (celle des occidentaux, ndlr), alors que tous les tests ne le disent pas vraiment".
Et d´enfoncer le clou, avec des accents faussement humanistes: "Mon espoir est que les hommes sont égaux mais les gens qui ont eu affaire avec des employés noirs se sont rendus compte que ce n´était pas vrai". Puis le prix Nobel prend sa posture de scientifique: "Il n´y a aucune raison solide d´avancer que les capacités intellectuelles des peuples géographiquement séparés dans leur évolution". Il estime que ses propos seront étayés dans les prochaines années, puisque "le gène à l´origine des différences au niveau de l´intelligence humaine pourrait être identifié d´ici dix à quinze ans".
C'est vraiment inquiétant.
Beaucoup le considèrent comme le grand-père de l´ADN. Les travaux de ce biochimiste et de ses comparses Francis Crick et Maurice Wilkins sur l´ADN étaient précurseurs dans les années soixante, récompensés de fait par la plus prestigieuse des récompenses: le Prix Nobel de Médecine en 1962. Mais voilà, le grand-père de 79 ans a fait une déclaration pour le moins choquante - d´autant plus vu son statut d´éminence grise - dans le Sunday Times de dimanche: il s´y dit "fondamentalement triste au sujet de l´Afrique", puisque "toutes nos politiques sociales sont fondées sur le fait que leur intelligence est identique à la nôtre (celle des occidentaux, ndlr), alors que tous les tests ne le disent pas vraiment".
Et d´enfoncer le clou, avec des accents faussement humanistes: "Mon espoir est que les hommes sont égaux mais les gens qui ont eu affaire avec des employés noirs se sont rendus compte que ce n´était pas vrai". Puis le prix Nobel prend sa posture de scientifique: "Il n´y a aucune raison solide d´avancer que les capacités intellectuelles des peuples géographiquement séparés dans leur évolution". Il estime que ses propos seront étayés dans les prochaines années, puisque "le gène à l´origine des différences au niveau de l´intelligence humaine pourrait être identifié d´ici dix à quinze ans".
C'est vraiment inquiétant.
Bonjour,
Désolé de mimisser dans votre conversation mais une question mintrigue ! Moi je suis Franco Tunisienne mais j'ai le teint très légèrement doré voir blanc, est ce cette couleur de peau que vous dite etre un "bon teint" pour les indiens. J'ai envie d'aller en Inde prochainement (Bombay) et malgrès que je sois sure que les indiens sois habitués au touristes a la peau clair, j'aimerai savoir qu'est ce que vous entendez précisement par le terme "bon teint" ?
Cordialement
Désolé de mimisser dans votre conversation mais une question mintrigue ! Moi je suis Franco Tunisienne mais j'ai le teint très légèrement doré voir blanc, est ce cette couleur de peau que vous dite etre un "bon teint" pour les indiens. J'ai envie d'aller en Inde prochainement (Bombay) et malgrès que je sois sure que les indiens sois habitués au touristes a la peau clair, j'aimerai savoir qu'est ce que vous entendez précisement par le terme "bon teint" ?
Cordialement
Je ne préjugeais en aucun cas de la validité de cette théorie. Mon propos était de décrire l'effet "moral" que sa seule mention avait sur les Dravidiens avec qui j'en ai parlé, ce qui était très amusant à tester.
Si tu ouvres tes yeux d'enfant, le voyage commence au seuil de ta maison
Lili,
je pense que cette attitude des indiens a ton egard tient plus au fait que tu accompagnes un homme blanc qu'a ta couleur proprement dit.
Ce qu'ils considerent comme ta reussite sociale les rend fou de jalousie et exacerbe leurs frustrations . Ces gens qui se moquent de toi t'envient a en devenir mechants et mesquins.
Leurs rires c'est ta victoire, meme si c'est surement pas facile a vivre .
Quittons l'UE, l'euro et l'OTAN - vite !
Bonjour,
C'est vrai que si ton compagnon est blanc cela peut provenir de la !!! Les 6 premiers jours de mon voyage de 2 mois dans le nord de l'Inde j'avais utilise les services d'une voiture avec chauffeur. Et je m'entendais tres bien avec mon chauffeur nous rions beaucoup ensemble. Seulement nombre de fois dans la rue nous nous sommes fait insulter, et lui "chahuter" car ils pensaient que nous etions en couple......
C'est vrai que si ton compagnon est blanc cela peut provenir de la !!! Les 6 premiers jours de mon voyage de 2 mois dans le nord de l'Inde j'avais utilise les services d'une voiture avec chauffeur. Et je m'entendais tres bien avec mon chauffeur nous rions beaucoup ensemble. Seulement nombre de fois dans la rue nous nous sommes fait insulter, et lui "chahuter" car ils pensaient que nous etions en couple......
Booboop
...Etonnant les réacions auxquelles tu sembles être confrontée!!!!...J'ai pourtant le souvenir, récent, d'avoir vu pas mal de black dans les rues de Bombay et de Goa, où les indiens semblaient se foutre eperdument de leur couleur de peau...Et, pour t'aider à relativiser, sache que ma moitié est blonde de chez blonde:-) et que dans le nord, c'était vraiment limite dans certains coins...avec des hordes (j'éxagère à peine) d'indiens se pointant à côté de nous pour se faire prendre en photo avec madame, si besoin était en m'écartant du champ de l'appareiL avec certains payant!! un photographe pour se faire prendre en photo avec ma copine qui, par ailleurs, passait une partie non négligeable de son temps dans la foule à éviter les mains au cul.......Jamais d'insultes, des gens quand même souvent sympa mais.....quoique d'un naturel paisible, j'ai franchement failli m'enerver à deux-trois reprises:-)..(Et j'ai des souvenirs bien pires de la chine il y a longtemps, avec des masses de gens entourant ma moitié, stupéfiés que puisse exister une couleur de cheveux pareille...et donc désireux de "tâter la marchandise")Donc tout ceci pour dire qu'hormis les problèmes, dont je ne doute pas qu'ils soient réels, que tu rencontres...peut peut-être t'aider le fait de te dire que dans pas mal de coins le fait d'être européen, quelle que soit la couleur, attire en permanence le regard des indiens, par curiosité, pour des raisons mercantiles etc etc...et que pour une femme c'est encore pire.Question d'habitude:-))...sachant par ailleurs, et heureusement, que beaucoup d'indiens restent parfaitement corrects...surtout, comme le soulignait Stalingrad, dans le kerala et le tamil nadu où les rapports avec "l'autochtone" sont beaucoup plus cordiaux...Bon voyage:-)
Bonjour cristal222,
Je tiens à dire que tu fais fausse route sur ton anecdote avec ton amie, car la situation n'était pas du tout la même. En effet pour ton amie, bien qu'étouffant leur réaction était tout à son honneur et très flatteur elle n'inspirait le dégoût, la moquerie et on ne la fuyait pas ce qui est très dure à vivre je parle bien sur en connaissance de cause. Je suis martiniquaise de teint mate et avec 5 de mes amies j'ai entrepris un voyage en Inde toutes les teintes de peaux étaient représentées il y avait également une europénne peau blanche et yeux bleux et la différence ce faisait par évidence. Je reviens tous juste de 2 mois de vacance en Inde, jai visité le nord Delhi, Bombay, Agra, Jaipur et les réactions sont les même. Quand tu vois des regards incistant sur toi, moqueurs et qu'on te cris sur ton chemin " AKOUNA MATATA" ( le roi lion de Dysney ) en faisant référence à l'Afrique, qu'on t'arrête pour te demander si tu es africaine avec un grand sourir naïf ( car il faut le dire les indiens sont assez égocentristes ils ne connaissent que leur pays et n'ont la capacité matérielle de s'ouvrir vers l'extérieur d'où leur ignorance additionneé à un fait culturel, historique ne faisant pas reculer cette mentalité qui est de plus entretenue par les médias et pronée par les icônes de Bollywood ) cela est peusant et difficile!!! Effectivement à Mumbay surtout dans le sud de la ville ( Colabas ) j'ai rencontré bcp d'africains à mon grand étonnement ( et meme des femmes africaines en boubou = tenues traditionnelles ) mais leur présence était justifié car elles venaient pour leur business et s'en retournaient sous quelques jours dans leur pays . Il y avait également bcp d'étudiants africains. Il est vrai que dans le sud nous sommes passées plus inaperçues car la population a la peau plus foncée mais nos traits négroïdes et nos cheveux nous trahïssaient hélas lol ! Mais il faut dire qu'il y a des villes du Sud telque Goa où les indiens on l'habitude de voir des étrangers d'où une plus grade facilité à passer dans le décor. J'en aurais à raconter sur notre périple et nos anecdotes mais je préfère passer car Stalingrad a très bien résumé et analysé les choses. Malgrès ça, l'Inde est un pays déroutant et magnifique.
Ps: Ma couleur de peau ne m'a pas empéchée de faire un très belle rencontre qui suit son cour jusqu'à aujourd'hui bien qu'il soit de peau claire, d'une caste élevé, ouvert vers l'extérieur, et vivant à Goa.
Je tiens à dire que tu fais fausse route sur ton anecdote avec ton amie, car la situation n'était pas du tout la même. En effet pour ton amie, bien qu'étouffant leur réaction était tout à son honneur et très flatteur elle n'inspirait le dégoût, la moquerie et on ne la fuyait pas ce qui est très dure à vivre je parle bien sur en connaissance de cause. Je suis martiniquaise de teint mate et avec 5 de mes amies j'ai entrepris un voyage en Inde toutes les teintes de peaux étaient représentées il y avait également une europénne peau blanche et yeux bleux et la différence ce faisait par évidence. Je reviens tous juste de 2 mois de vacance en Inde, jai visité le nord Delhi, Bombay, Agra, Jaipur et les réactions sont les même. Quand tu vois des regards incistant sur toi, moqueurs et qu'on te cris sur ton chemin " AKOUNA MATATA" ( le roi lion de Dysney ) en faisant référence à l'Afrique, qu'on t'arrête pour te demander si tu es africaine avec un grand sourir naïf ( car il faut le dire les indiens sont assez égocentristes ils ne connaissent que leur pays et n'ont la capacité matérielle de s'ouvrir vers l'extérieur d'où leur ignorance additionneé à un fait culturel, historique ne faisant pas reculer cette mentalité qui est de plus entretenue par les médias et pronée par les icônes de Bollywood ) cela est peusant et difficile!!! Effectivement à Mumbay surtout dans le sud de la ville ( Colabas ) j'ai rencontré bcp d'africains à mon grand étonnement ( et meme des femmes africaines en boubou = tenues traditionnelles ) mais leur présence était justifié car elles venaient pour leur business et s'en retournaient sous quelques jours dans leur pays . Il y avait également bcp d'étudiants africains. Il est vrai que dans le sud nous sommes passées plus inaperçues car la population a la peau plus foncée mais nos traits négroïdes et nos cheveux nous trahïssaient hélas lol ! Mais il faut dire qu'il y a des villes du Sud telque Goa où les indiens on l'habitude de voir des étrangers d'où une plus grade facilité à passer dans le décor. J'en aurais à raconter sur notre périple et nos anecdotes mais je préfère passer car Stalingrad a très bien résumé et analysé les choses. Malgrès ça, l'Inde est un pays déroutant et magnifique.
Ps: Ma couleur de peau ne m'a pas empéchée de faire un très belle rencontre qui suit son cour jusqu'à aujourd'hui bien qu'il soit de peau claire, d'une caste élevé, ouvert vers l'extérieur, et vivant à Goa.
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Salut karmagoa...Loin de moi l'idée d'établir un parallèle stricto sensu entre ce que ma copine et toi-même avez vécu dans le nord de l'Inde:-)..Il se trouve simplement qu'au regard de ce qui était dit sur un autre fil consacré au même sujet (dans le cadre duquel des black faisaient part d'expériences globalement positives) et de mes observations personnelles à Mumbay (Goa étant, il est vrai un mauvais exemple), je me demandais simplement si tes réactions n'étaient pas aussi en partie le fruit d'une première expérience de l'Inde qui...particulièrement dans le nord, peut être particulièrement déstabilisante pour quelqu'un(e) ayant peu l'habitude de l'Asie....Et j'essayais simplement de faire valoir que tout le monde, à des degrés divers, est victime d'une certaine forme de harcèlement dans pas mal de coins.....Ce qui, chez certains, peut engendrer une certaine..comment dire?...paranoia...:-)(je ne dis pas que c'est ton cas...)Et pour revenir à ce que je te disais sur mes expériences, je dirais tout d'abord que je ne suis pas certain:-) que le "harcèlement" dont était victime ma femme soit forcément flatteur pour elle(mais c'est un autre débat...)...mais qu'à contrario, et si je réagis au premier degré, je suis par contre absolument certain que ce type de comportements n'honore pas les indiens, et qu'il est de ce fait tentant de les assimiler à une bande d'abrutis en rut, pour la composante mâle...A ceci près que tous les indiens ne se comportent pas de cette manière, et que ce type d'attitude est aussi intimement lié au niveau socio-culturel de ceux qui s'y livrent et à leur origine géographique(dans certains coins, on ne voit vraiment pas beaucoup d'européens)...Personnellement, j'appelle çà le syndrome "fantasia chez les ploucs":-)) et dans certaines limites(rarement dépassées), çà nous fait plutôt marrer moi et ma copine...sachant qu'on a depuis longtemps pris l'habitude d'être peu où prou considérés comme des portefeuilles ambulants et des "objets" de convoitise voire de moquerie dans cer tains cas.....et surtout, pour revenir à mon précédent message, la cible permanente des regards.....Dans cette optique, et sachant bien évidemment que je ne suis pas à ta place, les cris "akouna matata" auraient plutôt tendance...à me faire rigoler:-))..C'est vraiment "typique" des indiens ce genre de trucs...Et dénote bien évidemment la méconnaissance à peu près totale des blacks d'une population qui pour l'essentiel n'est jamais sortie d'Inde et a une forte tendance à voir le monde extérieur à travers le prisme Bollywood et la télé...(mais est-ce vraiment différent en Europe, où le racisme prend souvent des formes plus sournoises et teigneuses???)...Donc, et pour conclure:-))...Bon voyage dans un pays, dont effectivement le moins qu'on puisse dire, est qu'il est passablement déroutant la première fois...:-)
Bonjour cristal222
Je tiens à justifier mes propos pour commencer je suis loin d'être à mon premier voyage en Inde et cela c'est toujours bien passé car en ce qui me concerne ma couleur de peau n'a jamais été un problème. Je ne vais pas m'étaler sur ma vie mais je pense être bien placée par rapport à ce que je dis ( mes origines : père indien mère antillanse et dans un couple mixte de ce genre avec la famille indienne basée à pondichery je peux t'en conter des choses! De plus dans les pays d'Afrique il y a également une idéalisation en terme de beauté de ce type et pas simplement en Asie !!! Je veux bien passer pour une ignorante mais pas à ce point je ne me serais pas permise d'intervenir.) mais pour mes amies qui voulaient découvrir l'Inde avec moi et ayant un teint et des traits plus marqués cela c'est passé autrement. je parle de quelque chose que je connais donc loin de moi le fait d'être paranoïque j'ai été spectatrice de ce genre de chose donc je ne m'impose pas en victime en soit . De plus tu emplois un terme qui est complètement décousu du sujet " le racisme" cela n'a rien à voir car le racisme est quelque chose de réfléchit et calculé et pleinement voulu et dans le cas de l'Inde cela tient simplement de leur manque d'ouverture au monde, de leur méconnaissance et de leur culture valorisant les peaux blanches.
Quand on n'a jamais été de l'autre côté de la barrière je pense qu'il est difficile de comprendre les sentiments que cela peut engendrer. As tu bien lu le message de Liliadien ??? J' en doute!!! A croire qu'il y a bcp de paranos de peau noire en Inde :-))
Je pense que sur ce sujet nous n'arriverons pas à nous comprendre car tu sembles vivre dans un autre monde je pense qu'il faut dédramatiser les choses certes mais ne prends pas les gens pour des idiots toutes choses ne prètent pas à rire et je ne te demande pas de te mettre à la place de qui que ce soit car au vu de tes dires tu n'en as pas les capacités.
PS : Je suis loin de faire une psychose sur la chose car je pars vivre en Inde en 2008 avec mon mari qui est indien et que j'ai renconter il y a déja plus de 4 ans la bas.
Je tiens à justifier mes propos pour commencer je suis loin d'être à mon premier voyage en Inde et cela c'est toujours bien passé car en ce qui me concerne ma couleur de peau n'a jamais été un problème. Je ne vais pas m'étaler sur ma vie mais je pense être bien placée par rapport à ce que je dis ( mes origines : père indien mère antillanse et dans un couple mixte de ce genre avec la famille indienne basée à pondichery je peux t'en conter des choses! De plus dans les pays d'Afrique il y a également une idéalisation en terme de beauté de ce type et pas simplement en Asie !!! Je veux bien passer pour une ignorante mais pas à ce point je ne me serais pas permise d'intervenir.) mais pour mes amies qui voulaient découvrir l'Inde avec moi et ayant un teint et des traits plus marqués cela c'est passé autrement. je parle de quelque chose que je connais donc loin de moi le fait d'être paranoïque j'ai été spectatrice de ce genre de chose donc je ne m'impose pas en victime en soit . De plus tu emplois un terme qui est complètement décousu du sujet " le racisme" cela n'a rien à voir car le racisme est quelque chose de réfléchit et calculé et pleinement voulu et dans le cas de l'Inde cela tient simplement de leur manque d'ouverture au monde, de leur méconnaissance et de leur culture valorisant les peaux blanches.
Quand on n'a jamais été de l'autre côté de la barrière je pense qu'il est difficile de comprendre les sentiments que cela peut engendrer. As tu bien lu le message de Liliadien ??? J' en doute!!! A croire qu'il y a bcp de paranos de peau noire en Inde :-))
Je pense que sur ce sujet nous n'arriverons pas à nous comprendre car tu sembles vivre dans un autre monde je pense qu'il faut dédramatiser les choses certes mais ne prends pas les gens pour des idiots toutes choses ne prètent pas à rire et je ne te demande pas de te mettre à la place de qui que ce soit car au vu de tes dires tu n'en as pas les capacités.
PS : Je suis loin de faire une psychose sur la chose car je pars vivre en Inde en 2008 avec mon mari qui est indien et que j'ai renconter il y a déja plus de 4 ans la bas.
" Quelquefois je vois au ciel des plages sans fin couvertes de blanches nations en joie. Un grand vaisseau d'or, au-dessus de moi, agite ses pavillons multicolores sous les brises du matin."
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Bonjour,
si tu regardes bien, les africains vivant dans la corne de l'Afrique ressemblent beaucoup aux indiens du sud.
En inde, je trouve beaucoups de physionomies proches de celles rencontrees en europe de l'ouest, seule la couleur de peau change .
En inde, je trouve beaucoups de physionomies proches de celles rencontrees en europe de l'ouest, seule la couleur de peau change .
Quittons l'UE, l'euro et l'OTAN - vite !
Bonjour,
Oui tu as raison il est vrai qu'il y a dans le sud de l'Inde des populations qui ressemble à certaines éthnies d'Afrique comme par exemple les Djiboutiens.
Le physique est certes très proche mais les indiens font la différence.
Oui tu as raison il est vrai qu'il y a dans le sud de l'Inde des populations qui ressemble à certaines éthnies d'Afrique comme par exemple les Djiboutiens.
Le physique est certes très proche mais les indiens font la différence.
" Quelquefois je vois au ciel des plages sans fin couvertes de blanches nations en joie. Un grand vaisseau d'or, au-dessus de moi, agite ses pavillons multicolores sous les brises du matin."
A.R. Adieu
A.R. Adieu
..Je ne te traite pas de paranoiaque, mais m'interrogeais sur un phénomène( les réactions des indiens par rapport aux black) sur lequel les avis semblent assez partagés....si j'en juge par les différents fils que j'ai lu sur le sujet..Sur cette base je me demandais si ne devaient pas être pris en compte d'autres facteurs...ce qui, tu me le concèderas, est mon droit le plus strict, et offrait peut-être la possibilité d'un débat fructueux sur un sujet qui pique ma curiosité.En tout état de cause, ne compte pas sur moi pour faire dans le compassionnel, dont j'ai, d'instinct et d'expérience, horreur.....Sur ce concluons, pour une fois on se rejoint...car quelque chose me dit (l'intuition masculine probablement) que je ne vais pas tarder à me faire affubler de divers sobriquets que la décence m'interdit même d'imaginer:-)....Et merci de cette pénétrante analyse sur le "racisme voulu, calculé et réfléchi".Je me coucherai moins con, ce qui ne pourra que m'être profitable:-)....A bientôt en Inde Karmagoa:-)
En inde, je trouve beaucoups de physionomies proches de celles rencontrees en europe de l'ouest, seule la couleur de peau change .
C'est plutôt au nord de l'Inde que les gens ont des traits plus européens(nez fins, fines lèvres, cheveux lisses) mais dans le sud la poputaion ressemble davantage aux habitants de la corne de l'Afrique(cheveux crépus, ...)
C'est plutôt au nord de l'Inde que les gens ont des traits plus européens(nez fins, fines lèvres, cheveux lisses) mais dans le sud la poputaion ressemble davantage aux habitants de la corne de l'Afrique(cheveux crépus, ...)
salut
dabord merci pour ton temoignage....je voulais juste te dire que aujour`hui j``etais sur la plage de goa et une petite qui devait avoir 12ans sèst rapprochee de moi en me demandant si jàimais ma couleur de peau ben je lui ais repondu oui et pouquoi cette question et elle me dit tout simplement que cèst tres sale et que elle dans sa famille les africains ce sont des sauvages et que elle etant noire elle meme se deteste ..jespere que tu comprendras ce message car je fais pleins de fautes..🤪 je suis pas habituee au clavier anglophone
Avant j'étais schizophrene .... maintenant , nous allons beaucoup mieux !
Un éclairage sur les différents teints dans cette discussion: http://voyageforum.com/voyage/des_africains_en_inde_D1007426/
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Hi everyone!
I’m planning a short visit to Pokhara around mid-February 2027 (it’ll be my 4th time in Nepal 😊, over 40 years!). I’d like to book a room in advance rather than looking when I arrive. I’ve checked a bit on Bxxking.com and see lots of options. I’m used to scoping out the surroundings of places listed, just to avoid ending up in areas that are either unappealing or far from everything.
So, I see quite a few offers around the lake (Lakeside?), but every time I check what it looks like, the streets seem really uninviting. It’s kind of like a construction site with buildings everywhere… Nothing like Bhaktapur (for example) or even Thamel, where the streets seem way more pleasant.
Could anyone give me some advice?
Also, I don’t really get the impression that Pokhara is worth a visit of several days. The lake, sure, but once you’ve seen it—what else is there?
I’m planning a short visit to Pokhara around mid-February 2027 (it’ll be my 4th time in Nepal 😊, over 40 years!). I’d like to book a room in advance rather than looking when I arrive. I’ve checked a bit on Bxxking.com and see lots of options. I’m used to scoping out the surroundings of places listed, just to avoid ending up in areas that are either unappealing or far from everything.
So, I see quite a few offers around the lake (Lakeside?), but every time I check what it looks like, the streets seem really uninviting. It’s kind of like a construction site with buildings everywhere… Nothing like Bhaktapur (for example) or even Thamel, where the streets seem way more pleasant.
Could anyone give me some advice?
Also, I don’t really get the impression that Pokhara is worth a visit of several days. The lake, sure, but once you’ve seen it—what else is there?
Bonjour.
Habituée à voyager en Asie et particulièrement en Inde, j’ai envie de découvrir le Népal pour une quinzaine de jours en passant par Calcutta.
Voyage sac à dos, transports locaux.
Départ de Lyon.
Si vous vous sentez l’âme aventurière et sans se presser, contactez moi.
Je ne fais pas de treks mais je marche très bien.
À bientôt
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Hello,
I’m heading to Sri Lanka for 3 weeks in July with my two 11-year-old kids, and I’m wondering about how to organize the trip. We’re used to traveling on the go, staying 1 to 2 or 3 nights per place depending on how we feel.
Do you recommend planning the itinerary and booking accommodations in advance to save time once we’re there? Or is it pretty easy to organize everything as we go without any issues?
Same question for activities: Should we book safaris and tours ahead of time, or can we arrange them easily on the spot? Is there a risk of not getting a spot, for example, to visit a park since we’ll be there in July?
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Do you recommend planning the itinerary and booking accommodations in advance to save time once we’re there? Or is it pretty easy to organize everything as we go without any issues?
Same question for activities: Should we book safaris and tours ahead of time, or can we arrange them easily on the spot? Is there a risk of not getting a spot, for example, to visit a park since we’ll be there in July?
We’ll be using local transport (train, VTC via PickMe, tuk-tuk) to get from one place to another.
In short: Are there any must-book things we should reserve now? So far, I only have the flight tickets!
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Hi there, I think you're on the right track—you plan the itinerary and book the rooms in advance, and that’s it.
Not only do you save time, but you also know where you’ll be staying each night. Choosing well on Booking (or elsewhere) is actually a pleasure!
For safaris, given the number of jeeps with drivers available, it’s unlikely you’ll be turned away... the real issue is more about the concentration of jeeps around the animals.
I travel like you do—train, bus, tuk-tuk, and sometimes taxi. Ride-hailing apps like PickMe and other VTCs are mostly in big cities.
For the mountain train, due to severe flooding, service was interrupted on the line between Kandy and Ella. Check ahead, because reservations for this train are very complicated, if not impossible.
For the Colombo/Kandy train, you reserve your seats by buying the ticket before boarding. In the south, no need to book in advance for trains.
In Sri Lanka, there’s always a solution for getting around—just ask your hosts. They have trusted contacts at their fingertips. But still, compare prices—😏 smart move!
I stick to booking my nights and keep pre-planned activities to a minimum.
For reservations you can’t skip, it’s the beach stays you’ll want to secure.
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Have a great day,
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Hi there.
We’re spending a month in Sri Lanka in March, and we’ll have one week left after leaving Polonnaruwa.
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We’re divers, so the east coast appeals to us for snorkeling, beaches, and lagoons—but it seems like late March might not be the best time for that coast. What do you think?
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We just got back from a 2-week trip to Sri Lanka as a couple, and while planning the trip, we found plenty of info on the itinerary, places to see, and transportation, but much fewer clear reports on the actual budget to expect once there. Yet, that was an important point for us because we like to plan ahead a little before traveling.
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After some frustrating and vague online searches, and before we reshuffle our itinerary, I’d love to know—if possible—the most accurate expected completion date for the renovation work.
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We’re heading to India in March 2026 and had planned to visit the parts of the Meenakshi Temple that are open to non-Hindus. However, the temple is currently undergoing major renovations—with all the towers covered in scaffolding—which might really take away from the experience and our stop in Madurai.
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I’m leaving this Saturday for Northern India from 15/02 to 27/02. I’m planning to visit New Delhi, Agra, Chand Baori, Jaipur, Ranthambore, Bundi, Udaipur, and Jodhpur.
What’s the best way to get around? I was thinking of doing everything by train. Maybe taking the bus for some stretches?
As for renting a car with a driver, it seems expensive, so I’ve pretty much ruled that out. Unless someone’s got space for the same dates?
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As for renting a car with a driver, it seems expensive, so I’ve pretty much ruled that out. Unless someone’s got space for the same dates?
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Hi everyone,
We’re heading out in March for this trek. We’re used to hiking and long-distance treks, but this’ll be our first time in Nepal.
QUESTION: People from Nepal are telling us it’s MANDATORY to have guides! Is this true, or is it just agencies trying to get work for their staff?
The Lonely Planet says: "In April 2023, the government announced that every trekker would need to hire the services of a porter or a licensed guide to obtain the TIMS permit. The law isn’t enforced, and by 2025, there were no longer any obligations for teahouse treks."
What do you think? What’s your experience? Thanks for your feedback.
We’re heading out in March for this trek. We’re used to hiking and long-distance treks, but this’ll be our first time in Nepal.
QUESTION: People from Nepal are telling us it’s MANDATORY to have guides! Is this true, or is it just agencies trying to get work for their staff?
The Lonely Planet says: "In April 2023, the government announced that every trekker would need to hire the services of a porter or a licensed guide to obtain the TIMS permit. The law isn’t enforced, and by 2025, there were no longer any obligations for teahouse treks."
What do you think? What’s your experience? Thanks for your feedback.
Hi,
I’d like to arrive in India at New Delhi Airport with some cash. I was wondering if the exchange rates at the airport are any good or if it’s best to avoid them (and exchange in the city instead?).
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Thanks for your help.
NAMASTE NEPAL! PRACTICAL INFO AND EXPERIENCE FEEDBACK
Stay from March 25 to April 16, 2025
· Flight tickets Air India (via Delhi) (via Skyscanner) = 1130 € per person · Planned budget (and respected without too many restrictions and while buying a few small gifts) = 2000 € for the stay for two. Buses, taxis, and entrance fees to various sites represent a budget to consider. Meals are cheap. Drinks like beer/Coke, however, are not cheap and cost the equivalent of a meal. · Exchange rate of the rupee during our stay = 0.0064 € (the exchange rate is almost identical everywhere, including at the airport). · At the airport, purchase of two SIM cards (phone) = 1000 NPR x 2 for 28 days. · Kathmandu: we had booked the hotel upon arrival: Kathmandu Boutique Hotel (+977 015 357 446 – email: booking@kathmanduboutiquehotel.com), very well located in a quiet alley off the street, south of Thamel, a 10-minute walk from Durbar Square. A hotel like Nepal knows how to do, where tall people will have to duck. Night + breakfast = 18 € for two. Very warm welcome, great location, excellent value for money. · Bhaktapur: we had also booked a hotel for the end of our stay because the chance of the year 2025 made the Nepali New Year and Bisket Jatra particularly festive in Bhaktapur: Manju Baha Hotel School (+977 976 7234014 – email: manjubahahotel@gmail.com) located in an old monastery. "A social enterprise transforming an old monastery into a charming hotel, offering professional hospitality training to underprivileged Nepali youth." Night + breakfast = 32 € for two. Beautifully decorated room. Very warm welcome. Don’t miss the Changunarayan site (near Bhaktapur), it’s amazing. And if you’re lucky enough to be in Bhaktapur in mid-April for 3 days, there’s the Bisket Jatra festivities (Newari festival), joyful, noisy, fun, and wild… · Pokhara (hotel recommended by the Kathmandu hotel): Hotel Green Tara, Lakeside, 10th street, set back, quiet (Tel. +977 61 462698 – email: greentara_67@hotmail.com) · Trek permit (Lower Mustang, no need for an agency or guide, permits checked at Ghasa and Jomsom) = 2000 NPR per person (2 ID photos) · Bus Kathmandu/Pokhara and return = 2000 NPR per person · Bus Pokhara/Jomsom, 2 one-way tickets = 2800 NPR. · Taxi: negotiation with a driver we recommend, Vicky (+977 984 075 599). You explain what you want, negotiate the price, and he waits for you during the visit. Very charming, we used him several times. For example: departure from our hotel at 10 AM -> Boudhanath/Pashupatinath/Patan return at 5 PM to the hotel = 6500 NPR – Swayambhunath (round trip) = 1200 NPR · Site prices: https://ntb.gov.np/plan-your-trip/before-you-come/heritage-site-entry-fees o Visitor Pass for Kathmandu Durbar Square (for the duration of the stay, show your visa) = 1000 NPR per person (1 ID photo) o Bhaktapur Durbar Square (old town) = 1800 NPR per person o Patan = 1000 NPR per person o Swayambhu Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Boudha Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Pashupatinath Temple = 1000 NPR per person (interesting to take a guide) o Changunarayan Temple (6 km north of Bhaktapur) = 400 NPR per person o Mountain Museum in Pokhara = 750 NPR per person · E-cigarettes: e-cigarettes are banned in India and confiscated whether they’re in carry-on or checked luggage. On the way there, we had kept them in our carry-on, they were confiscated in Delhi. On the way back, learning from our previous experience, we put them in our checked luggage. Someone came to get us to take them out of our bags and confiscate them… You can find e-cigarettes and products in Kathmandu.
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I’m 74 years old. I went to Nepal in 1982, 1983, and the last time in 1986. I wanted to introduce this beautiful and endearing country to my husband, and it was… now or never. So we decided it was now.
I knew the trek starting from Pokhara: Naudanda/Birethanti/Ghorepani/Tatopani/Kalopani. There was no way I was going to do that trek, especially the 1000-meter staircase to reach Ghorepani… You have to stay humble with age.
Back then, the road didn’t exist. I didn’t consider, with the construction of this road (NH48) along the western bank of the Kali Gandaki, doing a trek along a windy and dusty road. Was there an alternative hiking trail on the eastern bank? No one answered my question on VoyageForum, so I did my research online. And I found this site: "Andrées de Ruiter and Prem Rai - Trekking the Annapurna Circuit, including the new NATT trails that avoid the road - A guide to one of the most beautiful trekking regions in Nepal and the world (2011) - NATT = New Annapurna Trekking Trail".
Phew! A solution was emerging. This circuit from 2011 wasn’t fully marked. The idea was to go from Jomsom to Tatopani, so we needed to make sure the path was well-marked all the way, which we did, and the path exists, marked in red and white!
So, with the walking times information, we built our 8-day circuit:
· Jomsom/Thinigaon · Thinigaon/Chimang · Chimang/Saura · Saura/Kokhetanti · Rest day or, if in good shape: loop to Sekong Lake · Kokhetanti/Jhipra Deurali · Jhipra Deurali/Kopchepani · Kopchepani/Tatopani
It’s a senior trek, after all. So the walking times noted on the sites indicated 3 hours or even 4 hours for the two longest stages. That pace suited us fine.
On March 29, we left Kathmandu (1400m), after visiting the must-see sites, by bus to Pokhara: 200 km and 8.5 hours on a chaotic road under construction. I had a memory of Pokhara where it was the first city where you could see the Himalayan range, especially Machhapuchhare. But the pollution is such, the dust raised by traffic and construction, that no horizon is visible except the first hills around Pokhara.
We stayed 24 hours in Pokhara (820m), and on March 31, we left our luggage at the hotel and set off with our lightest backpacks: change of clothes, toiletries, first aid kit, anti-chafing cream, water bottle, sleeping bag liner, and light shoes for the stages.
We took the bus to Jomsom: 160 km/7.5 hours including stops for bathroom breaks, tea, and lunch. The road is nothing but a chaos of potholes, landslides, construction, dust, rebuilding, and mudslides. In Ghasa, the bus stops, and we’re told we’re at a checkpoint and that the two foreigners in the bus, my husband and I, need to have our permits checked, which takes a few minutes. The driving is rock-and-roll, surprising, and courteous. The drivers have their codes, and on these improbable roads, they’re virtuosos.
We could have chosen the plane, but several reasons dissuaded us: if there’s too much wind, the planes don’t take off; personally, I wasn’t reassured about landing in Jomsom, and this transport has a cost.
We arrived around 2 PM in Jomsom (2720m), and despite the early wake-up, the nearly 8 hours on the bus, and the altitude, we decided to head straight to Thinigaon (2840m). At the Jomsom checkpoint, they told us it was a 30-minute walk. Great! Except we took an hour and a half on an uphill road, bent over to fight a strong wind. But the Himalayan range is there! The Dhaulagiri, the Nilgiri, the Annapurnas as a reward.
In Thinigaon, we found a room at the "Nilgiri View Hotel" run by a didi (big sister in Nepali). From the lodge’s roof, she proudly showed us the different peaks surrounding the village and told us, worried, that it hadn’t snowed here for 3 years. She said there are very few tourists, that the season is rather in September/October/November. It seems there’s not a soul in this village, yet mules pass through the narrow street paved with large flat stones, their bells ringing. We dine at 6 PM and go to bed… Room = 1200 NPR and dinner, breakfast, and drinks = 2560 NPR.
On April 1, we set off at 9 AM, not for Chimang as planned but for Marpha! The didi from the Thinigaon lodge had said it was a 3-hour walk. The first part of this stage is attractive, the mountains are magnificent and imposing, the landscape is superb, there’s no one around, a feeling of being "alone in the world." We follow Dhumbra Tal, this small green lake. The path is a rocky track that climbs steeply. Then, around a hill, we start the big descent that joins the Kali Gandaki. We face the wind head-on, and the violent gusts take our breath away, throw us off balance, and envelop us in dust. We see the road on the other side of the Kali Gandaki. We arrive in the village of Chhairo at 2 PM, completely exhausted and with blistered feet, after 5 hours of walking instead of the planned 3.5 hours.
We’re welcomed by the village nurse, who tells us there’s a lodge in the village. Chhairo is a Tibetan village, a 20-minute walk from Marpha (according to the locals, multiply by 2 or even 3 for us…). We’re going to revise our trek plan and, first of all, spend the night in Chhairo.
The lodge is quite pleasant, and Karma, the hostess, is very friendly. She asks about our plans and suggests we stay in Chhairo the next day, from where we can visit Marpha and also Chimang, a 1-hour walk away, in light mode, meaning without backpacks. She invites us to participate in a village ceremony the next evening.
We immediately accept the proposal, as our feet need rest and the welcome is so warm… Dinner and bed!
We reworked our trek plan, which was too ambitious for our untrained bodies and, let’s face it… no longer in our first youth. In the initial plan, we thought there wouldn’t be too much elevation gain following the Kali Gandaki, but checking the map, we realize there might be significant elevation changes between Sauru and Sirkung. So we plan:
· Tomorrow: visit Marpha (2670m) and Chimang (2744m) · April 3: bus from Chhairo (2700m) to Kalopani (2530m) and continue on foot to Ghasa (2010m) · April 4: Ghasa/Pairataplo (1940m) · April 5: Pairatapla/Gadpar (1580m) · April 6: Gadpar/Narchyang (1510m) · April 7: Narchyang/Tatopani (1190m) · April 8: return to Pokhara.
Normally, it’s all downhill…
April 2, a rest day then… We set off in the morning to explore Marpha. We have to take a temporary bridge because the suspension bridge is closed due to road construction. We join the road and arrive in Marpha, a village famous for its apple orchards, brandy, cider, and apple juice production. This village is magnificent with its stone houses and monastery clinging to the hillside. The road construction spared it. There are people, but very few Western tourists.
We have lunch in Marpha and go back through Chhairo to take the path to Chimang. We cross a fragrant pine forest and find the rocky path; the landscape is splendid. We walk quietly, passing peaceful buffaloes and cows, and arrive at the foot of a stone staircase… 275 steps (which we counted on the way back) leading us to the village of Chimang. Chimang is an isolated Newari village that seems a bit desolate. Despite the slopes, there are crops on every little bit of land. Thankfully, we changed our initial program because there’s no lodge in this village, contrary to what we saw on a map… We wander through the village, which seems very deserted, have coffee in a house from another world, and then head back to Chhairo.
A rest day? = 5 hours of walking!!
Dinner and village ceremony. From what we understand, this ceremony is in honor of the Dalai Lama. Men, women, and children in traditional costumes gather twice a month; they dance, make, and offer small sweet cakes with Tibetan tea (made from tea, yak butter—often rancid—water, and salt). Surprising for first-timers…
Around 10 PM, we leave the ceremony; tomorrow morning, we need to be on the roadside by 7 AM to catch the bus to Kalopani…
This village of Chhairo is very pleasant and welcoming, no tourists, just two motorcyclists who arrived in the evening, one of whom participated in the ceremony and discreetly poured his Tibetan tea outside.
Lodge: "Norsang Tibetan Guesthouse and Restaurant". Total bill for 2 nights, 2 dinners, 2 breakfasts, and drinks = 8000 NPR.
April 3: bus from Chhairo to Kalopani, about 1.5 hours for the 20 km (200 NPR per person). We descend on the right bank of the Kali Gandaki. We find the red and white markings to resume the trek toward Ghasa. We’re in a fragrant pine forest, the Dhaulagiri on one side and the Annapurnas on the other, magnificent, and the path is pleasant and easy. We get a bit lost in this forest, always looking for the markings. Near Lete, two trekkers pass us, and we meet them again a little further on with two very young children, to whom we give the 2 hard-boiled eggs I didn’t eat this morning. They accepted them without hesitation.
We arrive in a village and ask for directions to Ghasa. The young girls point the way. But we come across a forest being logged, trees cut in all directions. We turn back and ask for confirmation. They confirm… But the two young girls catch up with us and clear the way. We have to step over, go around, and cross the felled trees, with no indication at all. Through this pick-up sticks of felled trees, the girls lead us to the top of a stone staircase, indicating that was the path. It’s the only place where we saw rhododendrons in bloom.
We descend the staircase. At the bottom, to the left, there’s a bridge to go toward Choyo, and to the right, a path to Ghasa. We take the right path and join the road. We should normally find the red and white markings, but we don’t… So we continue on the western bank road of the Kali Gandaki.
A little before the village of Misi, we see fumaroles on the opposite bank that seem to come from the ground. We don’t understand. We stopped to eat in the village of Misi (noodle soup = 600 NPR), but it’s hard to communicate with the elderly people running the guesthouse.
We continued on the road, not finding the marked path parallel to the road. Landslides, both on the left and right banks, seem to have taken over the marked routes. It’s a place where the Kali Gandaki gorge narrows, and on the opposite bank, the mountain smokes more and more, and we now hear the crackling of fire. Across from us, the mountain is burning… Our initial plan had us passing on that burning bank right now…
We arrive in Ghasa at 3:30 PM, a 6.5-hour stage but with a 1-hour stop at noon. We’re at the "Florida Guesthouse and Restaurant." From our room, we see the mountain smoking on the other side of the river, and at night, we see the flames. In this village, posters show Himalayan eagles and vultures that seem to be protected species. Indeed, we saw (and heard) 3 eagles circling today.
April 4 – Today, heading to Pairothapla or Kopchepani depending on our feet, accommodation options, and simply our desires.
No more smoke on the mountain this morning. It’s chilly, 7:45 AM, the sky is clear, just a smell of smoke outside.
Price of the lodge = 1000 NPR for the night + 3580 NPR for meals.
We cross Ghasa, which stretches over more than a kilometer. We have a drink at the last guesthouse in the village, and the didi, when she learns our destination, tells us to be careful because the villages we’re going to aren’t safe. Should we distribute our rupees in different pockets? Nah, we kept going.
At the exit of Ghasa, we find the red and white markings and take the suspension bridge to cross the boiling waters of the Kali Gandaki. The passage is impressive because the river is tumultuous. Lots of climbs and even more descents. We’re back on the eastern bank. It’s hot! On the narrow path, we meet a group of buffaloes. Who has the right of way? We decide to stick as close as possible to the rock wall and move forward calmly. The buffaloes look at us, chewing placidly, with no intention of jumping on us. Phew!
After a 5-hour stage (including stops), we arrive in Pairothapla, with hot feet and firm thighs, and decide we won’t go any further. It’s a good thing because there’s a lodge, the most basic so far, but with a great welcome. We have a meal and a short nap. The buffaloes we met on the way belong to this house. They come to drink at the fountain by the path.
Our host, very pleasant, doesn’t know what to do to please us and is very attentive. He wants to chat. He has two children, a 4-year-old girl and a 7-year-old boy. Where do they go to school? Do they go? He tells us that the fires in the mountain are caused by people, but for what reason? We won’t find out, but it’s illegal. From here, we can still see smoke rising in the distance. The wife is a bit less friendly. Corn kernels dry on a woven straw mat on the ground, and the mom sorts them.
From where we are, we overlook the valley and see the road under construction winding along the mountainside on the other bank.
Dinner on the terrace of the house overlooking the path, windbreaker and fleece on: dal bhat chicken for me and chicken curry for my husband: "organic" products, at least local production. There are small vegetable gardens everywhere with all sorts of vegetables.
April 5 – While we’re having breakfast on the terrace of our lodge, 5 porters, straps on their foreheads, heavily loaded, pass by on the path. A few minutes later, a group of 9 people appears. It must be said that since the beginning of our journey, we’ve met very few hikers. Two backpackers in Chhairo, the two hikers near Lete, two female hikers passed us before Pairothapla, a solo female hiker passed us…
The lodge in Pairothapla is called "Bimala Lodge & Thakali Kitchen" – Price for night + 4 meals + 2 breakfasts = 3000 NPR.
The descent toward the Kali Gandaki involves climbs whose steps we didn’t count. Clearly, the landslides on the mountain cause changes to the official ACAP trek marked in red and white, and the marking updates can’t keep up with the pace of these landslides. It’s almost always by chance that we find the markings. Fortunately, we can follow the power line that guides us somewhat.
Drink stop in Kopchepani, the legs are fine, but the feet don’t like being tightly enclosed. A group of trekkers with porters passes on the path. We met buffaloes that we kindly let pass; the path was wide enough, but it was a staircase going up, and we didn’t want to take any risks.
Across, a view of the magnificent Rupse Waterfall on the other bank of the Kali Gandaki, at the bottom, lots of vehicles and people.
Arrival in Gadpar after crossing a rather unwelcoming small village and cultivated gardens between dry stone walls, each better built than the last.
First lodge spotted, first lodge adopted to answer the call of our feet, and a very warm welcome from the owner. Since we hadn’t eaten at noon, we had Tibetan bread/jam. 6-hour stage including 1 hour of stops. Night + dinner + breakfast + drinks = 5060 NPR
April 6 – Today, heading to Narchyang.
For several days, we’ve seen banana trees with their bunches of fruit and even a prickly pear with large fruits ripening.
This stage is quite peaceful and pleasant. We take a suspension bridge to cross a tributary of the Kali Gandaki. While we’re resting for a moment before crossing the bridge, a couple of porters, a man and a woman, arrive and start across the bridge with their wood load in a basket held by a strap on their forehead, making them bend. We set off too… lighter than them.
On the other side of the bridge… a stone staircase, and it climbs steeply. The porter couple didn’t take this staircase; they went right on the path.
At the top of the staircase, we arrive in Narchyang after a 4-hour stage. A magnificent waterfall overlooks the village. We get lost in this fairly large village looking for a lodge. After wandering around for a while, we ask for directions, and an 84-year-old man takes us through the whole village and accompanies us to a very nice lodge run by a woman.
We chat with our hostess, who asks where we’re from and where we’re going. We explain that we want to reach Tatopani the next day and then return to Pokhara. She tells us there are 4x4s going directly to Pokhara and that it would probably be easier than taking a bus that might be full in Tatopani. After a quick consultation, we decide to return to Pokhara the next day by 4x4. She finds us a 4x4 with 2 seats left, departure at 8 AM – 5 hours on the road and 1500 NPR per person. A charming didi who does everything to be pleasant and helpful.
Narchyang community lodge = night + snacks + dinner + breakfast = 3000 NPR.
There you go, our trek ends tomorrow. Many necessary changes and adaptations to our initial trek, but no regrets, it was superb and a great experience that, for my part, I won’t be able to repeat. Always this encounter with the endearing, welcoming, curious, and very kind Nepali people. It was now or never, and we did it!
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In conclusion, 3 full weeks in Nepal is a duration that allows visiting Kathmandu, Patan, and Bhaktapur, enjoying the various sites, and soaking in the atmosphere and urban Nepali life.
The trek, even revised and corrected, allowed us to get close to the impressive Annapurna and Dhaulagiri peaks. One or two acclimatization days might be necessary to get the body in tune with this magical and extraordinary land.
Stay from March 25 to April 16, 2025
· Flight tickets Air India (via Delhi) (via Skyscanner) = 1130 € per person · Planned budget (and respected without too many restrictions and while buying a few small gifts) = 2000 € for the stay for two. Buses, taxis, and entrance fees to various sites represent a budget to consider. Meals are cheap. Drinks like beer/Coke, however, are not cheap and cost the equivalent of a meal. · Exchange rate of the rupee during our stay = 0.0064 € (the exchange rate is almost identical everywhere, including at the airport). · At the airport, purchase of two SIM cards (phone) = 1000 NPR x 2 for 28 days. · Kathmandu: we had booked the hotel upon arrival: Kathmandu Boutique Hotel (+977 015 357 446 – email: booking@kathmanduboutiquehotel.com), very well located in a quiet alley off the street, south of Thamel, a 10-minute walk from Durbar Square. A hotel like Nepal knows how to do, where tall people will have to duck. Night + breakfast = 18 € for two. Very warm welcome, great location, excellent value for money. · Bhaktapur: we had also booked a hotel for the end of our stay because the chance of the year 2025 made the Nepali New Year and Bisket Jatra particularly festive in Bhaktapur: Manju Baha Hotel School (+977 976 7234014 – email: manjubahahotel@gmail.com) located in an old monastery. "A social enterprise transforming an old monastery into a charming hotel, offering professional hospitality training to underprivileged Nepali youth." Night + breakfast = 32 € for two. Beautifully decorated room. Very warm welcome. Don’t miss the Changunarayan site (near Bhaktapur), it’s amazing. And if you’re lucky enough to be in Bhaktapur in mid-April for 3 days, there’s the Bisket Jatra festivities (Newari festival), joyful, noisy, fun, and wild… · Pokhara (hotel recommended by the Kathmandu hotel): Hotel Green Tara, Lakeside, 10th street, set back, quiet (Tel. +977 61 462698 – email: greentara_67@hotmail.com) · Trek permit (Lower Mustang, no need for an agency or guide, permits checked at Ghasa and Jomsom) = 2000 NPR per person (2 ID photos) · Bus Kathmandu/Pokhara and return = 2000 NPR per person · Bus Pokhara/Jomsom, 2 one-way tickets = 2800 NPR. · Taxi: negotiation with a driver we recommend, Vicky (+977 984 075 599). You explain what you want, negotiate the price, and he waits for you during the visit. Very charming, we used him several times. For example: departure from our hotel at 10 AM -> Boudhanath/Pashupatinath/Patan return at 5 PM to the hotel = 6500 NPR – Swayambhunath (round trip) = 1200 NPR · Site prices: https://ntb.gov.np/plan-your-trip/before-you-come/heritage-site-entry-fees o Visitor Pass for Kathmandu Durbar Square (for the duration of the stay, show your visa) = 1000 NPR per person (1 ID photo) o Bhaktapur Durbar Square (old town) = 1800 NPR per person o Patan = 1000 NPR per person o Swayambhu Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Boudha Stupa = 200 NPR per person o Pashupatinath Temple = 1000 NPR per person (interesting to take a guide) o Changunarayan Temple (6 km north of Bhaktapur) = 400 NPR per person o Mountain Museum in Pokhara = 750 NPR per person · E-cigarettes: e-cigarettes are banned in India and confiscated whether they’re in carry-on or checked luggage. On the way there, we had kept them in our carry-on, they were confiscated in Delhi. On the way back, learning from our previous experience, we put them in our checked luggage. Someone came to get us to take them out of our bags and confiscate them… You can find e-cigarettes and products in Kathmandu.
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I’m 74 years old. I went to Nepal in 1982, 1983, and the last time in 1986. I wanted to introduce this beautiful and endearing country to my husband, and it was… now or never. So we decided it was now.
I knew the trek starting from Pokhara: Naudanda/Birethanti/Ghorepani/Tatopani/Kalopani. There was no way I was going to do that trek, especially the 1000-meter staircase to reach Ghorepani… You have to stay humble with age.
Back then, the road didn’t exist. I didn’t consider, with the construction of this road (NH48) along the western bank of the Kali Gandaki, doing a trek along a windy and dusty road. Was there an alternative hiking trail on the eastern bank? No one answered my question on VoyageForum, so I did my research online. And I found this site: "Andrées de Ruiter and Prem Rai - Trekking the Annapurna Circuit, including the new NATT trails that avoid the road - A guide to one of the most beautiful trekking regions in Nepal and the world (2011) - NATT = New Annapurna Trekking Trail".
Phew! A solution was emerging. This circuit from 2011 wasn’t fully marked. The idea was to go from Jomsom to Tatopani, so we needed to make sure the path was well-marked all the way, which we did, and the path exists, marked in red and white!
So, with the walking times information, we built our 8-day circuit:
· Jomsom/Thinigaon · Thinigaon/Chimang · Chimang/Saura · Saura/Kokhetanti · Rest day or, if in good shape: loop to Sekong Lake · Kokhetanti/Jhipra Deurali · Jhipra Deurali/Kopchepani · Kopchepani/Tatopani
It’s a senior trek, after all. So the walking times noted on the sites indicated 3 hours or even 4 hours for the two longest stages. That pace suited us fine.
On March 29, we left Kathmandu (1400m), after visiting the must-see sites, by bus to Pokhara: 200 km and 8.5 hours on a chaotic road under construction. I had a memory of Pokhara where it was the first city where you could see the Himalayan range, especially Machhapuchhare. But the pollution is such, the dust raised by traffic and construction, that no horizon is visible except the first hills around Pokhara.
We stayed 24 hours in Pokhara (820m), and on March 31, we left our luggage at the hotel and set off with our lightest backpacks: change of clothes, toiletries, first aid kit, anti-chafing cream, water bottle, sleeping bag liner, and light shoes for the stages.
We took the bus to Jomsom: 160 km/7.5 hours including stops for bathroom breaks, tea, and lunch. The road is nothing but a chaos of potholes, landslides, construction, dust, rebuilding, and mudslides. In Ghasa, the bus stops, and we’re told we’re at a checkpoint and that the two foreigners in the bus, my husband and I, need to have our permits checked, which takes a few minutes. The driving is rock-and-roll, surprising, and courteous. The drivers have their codes, and on these improbable roads, they’re virtuosos.
We could have chosen the plane, but several reasons dissuaded us: if there’s too much wind, the planes don’t take off; personally, I wasn’t reassured about landing in Jomsom, and this transport has a cost.
We arrived around 2 PM in Jomsom (2720m), and despite the early wake-up, the nearly 8 hours on the bus, and the altitude, we decided to head straight to Thinigaon (2840m). At the Jomsom checkpoint, they told us it was a 30-minute walk. Great! Except we took an hour and a half on an uphill road, bent over to fight a strong wind. But the Himalayan range is there! The Dhaulagiri, the Nilgiri, the Annapurnas as a reward.
In Thinigaon, we found a room at the "Nilgiri View Hotel" run by a didi (big sister in Nepali). From the lodge’s roof, she proudly showed us the different peaks surrounding the village and told us, worried, that it hadn’t snowed here for 3 years. She said there are very few tourists, that the season is rather in September/October/November. It seems there’s not a soul in this village, yet mules pass through the narrow street paved with large flat stones, their bells ringing. We dine at 6 PM and go to bed… Room = 1200 NPR and dinner, breakfast, and drinks = 2560 NPR.
On April 1, we set off at 9 AM, not for Chimang as planned but for Marpha! The didi from the Thinigaon lodge had said it was a 3-hour walk. The first part of this stage is attractive, the mountains are magnificent and imposing, the landscape is superb, there’s no one around, a feeling of being "alone in the world." We follow Dhumbra Tal, this small green lake. The path is a rocky track that climbs steeply. Then, around a hill, we start the big descent that joins the Kali Gandaki. We face the wind head-on, and the violent gusts take our breath away, throw us off balance, and envelop us in dust. We see the road on the other side of the Kali Gandaki. We arrive in the village of Chhairo at 2 PM, completely exhausted and with blistered feet, after 5 hours of walking instead of the planned 3.5 hours.
We’re welcomed by the village nurse, who tells us there’s a lodge in the village. Chhairo is a Tibetan village, a 20-minute walk from Marpha (according to the locals, multiply by 2 or even 3 for us…). We’re going to revise our trek plan and, first of all, spend the night in Chhairo.
The lodge is quite pleasant, and Karma, the hostess, is very friendly. She asks about our plans and suggests we stay in Chhairo the next day, from where we can visit Marpha and also Chimang, a 1-hour walk away, in light mode, meaning without backpacks. She invites us to participate in a village ceremony the next evening.
We immediately accept the proposal, as our feet need rest and the welcome is so warm… Dinner and bed!
We reworked our trek plan, which was too ambitious for our untrained bodies and, let’s face it… no longer in our first youth. In the initial plan, we thought there wouldn’t be too much elevation gain following the Kali Gandaki, but checking the map, we realize there might be significant elevation changes between Sauru and Sirkung. So we plan:
· Tomorrow: visit Marpha (2670m) and Chimang (2744m) · April 3: bus from Chhairo (2700m) to Kalopani (2530m) and continue on foot to Ghasa (2010m) · April 4: Ghasa/Pairataplo (1940m) · April 5: Pairatapla/Gadpar (1580m) · April 6: Gadpar/Narchyang (1510m) · April 7: Narchyang/Tatopani (1190m) · April 8: return to Pokhara.
Normally, it’s all downhill…
April 2, a rest day then… We set off in the morning to explore Marpha. We have to take a temporary bridge because the suspension bridge is closed due to road construction. We join the road and arrive in Marpha, a village famous for its apple orchards, brandy, cider, and apple juice production. This village is magnificent with its stone houses and monastery clinging to the hillside. The road construction spared it. There are people, but very few Western tourists.
We have lunch in Marpha and go back through Chhairo to take the path to Chimang. We cross a fragrant pine forest and find the rocky path; the landscape is splendid. We walk quietly, passing peaceful buffaloes and cows, and arrive at the foot of a stone staircase… 275 steps (which we counted on the way back) leading us to the village of Chimang. Chimang is an isolated Newari village that seems a bit desolate. Despite the slopes, there are crops on every little bit of land. Thankfully, we changed our initial program because there’s no lodge in this village, contrary to what we saw on a map… We wander through the village, which seems very deserted, have coffee in a house from another world, and then head back to Chhairo.
A rest day? = 5 hours of walking!!
Dinner and village ceremony. From what we understand, this ceremony is in honor of the Dalai Lama. Men, women, and children in traditional costumes gather twice a month; they dance, make, and offer small sweet cakes with Tibetan tea (made from tea, yak butter—often rancid—water, and salt). Surprising for first-timers…
Around 10 PM, we leave the ceremony; tomorrow morning, we need to be on the roadside by 7 AM to catch the bus to Kalopani…
This village of Chhairo is very pleasant and welcoming, no tourists, just two motorcyclists who arrived in the evening, one of whom participated in the ceremony and discreetly poured his Tibetan tea outside.
Lodge: "Norsang Tibetan Guesthouse and Restaurant". Total bill for 2 nights, 2 dinners, 2 breakfasts, and drinks = 8000 NPR.
April 3: bus from Chhairo to Kalopani, about 1.5 hours for the 20 km (200 NPR per person). We descend on the right bank of the Kali Gandaki. We find the red and white markings to resume the trek toward Ghasa. We’re in a fragrant pine forest, the Dhaulagiri on one side and the Annapurnas on the other, magnificent, and the path is pleasant and easy. We get a bit lost in this forest, always looking for the markings. Near Lete, two trekkers pass us, and we meet them again a little further on with two very young children, to whom we give the 2 hard-boiled eggs I didn’t eat this morning. They accepted them without hesitation.
We arrive in a village and ask for directions to Ghasa. The young girls point the way. But we come across a forest being logged, trees cut in all directions. We turn back and ask for confirmation. They confirm… But the two young girls catch up with us and clear the way. We have to step over, go around, and cross the felled trees, with no indication at all. Through this pick-up sticks of felled trees, the girls lead us to the top of a stone staircase, indicating that was the path. It’s the only place where we saw rhododendrons in bloom.
We descend the staircase. At the bottom, to the left, there’s a bridge to go toward Choyo, and to the right, a path to Ghasa. We take the right path and join the road. We should normally find the red and white markings, but we don’t… So we continue on the western bank road of the Kali Gandaki.
A little before the village of Misi, we see fumaroles on the opposite bank that seem to come from the ground. We don’t understand. We stopped to eat in the village of Misi (noodle soup = 600 NPR), but it’s hard to communicate with the elderly people running the guesthouse.
We continued on the road, not finding the marked path parallel to the road. Landslides, both on the left and right banks, seem to have taken over the marked routes. It’s a place where the Kali Gandaki gorge narrows, and on the opposite bank, the mountain smokes more and more, and we now hear the crackling of fire. Across from us, the mountain is burning… Our initial plan had us passing on that burning bank right now…
We arrive in Ghasa at 3:30 PM, a 6.5-hour stage but with a 1-hour stop at noon. We’re at the "Florida Guesthouse and Restaurant." From our room, we see the mountain smoking on the other side of the river, and at night, we see the flames. In this village, posters show Himalayan eagles and vultures that seem to be protected species. Indeed, we saw (and heard) 3 eagles circling today.
April 4 – Today, heading to Pairothapla or Kopchepani depending on our feet, accommodation options, and simply our desires.
No more smoke on the mountain this morning. It’s chilly, 7:45 AM, the sky is clear, just a smell of smoke outside.
Price of the lodge = 1000 NPR for the night + 3580 NPR for meals.
We cross Ghasa, which stretches over more than a kilometer. We have a drink at the last guesthouse in the village, and the didi, when she learns our destination, tells us to be careful because the villages we’re going to aren’t safe. Should we distribute our rupees in different pockets? Nah, we kept going.
At the exit of Ghasa, we find the red and white markings and take the suspension bridge to cross the boiling waters of the Kali Gandaki. The passage is impressive because the river is tumultuous. Lots of climbs and even more descents. We’re back on the eastern bank. It’s hot! On the narrow path, we meet a group of buffaloes. Who has the right of way? We decide to stick as close as possible to the rock wall and move forward calmly. The buffaloes look at us, chewing placidly, with no intention of jumping on us. Phew!
After a 5-hour stage (including stops), we arrive in Pairothapla, with hot feet and firm thighs, and decide we won’t go any further. It’s a good thing because there’s a lodge, the most basic so far, but with a great welcome. We have a meal and a short nap. The buffaloes we met on the way belong to this house. They come to drink at the fountain by the path.
Our host, very pleasant, doesn’t know what to do to please us and is very attentive. He wants to chat. He has two children, a 4-year-old girl and a 7-year-old boy. Where do they go to school? Do they go? He tells us that the fires in the mountain are caused by people, but for what reason? We won’t find out, but it’s illegal. From here, we can still see smoke rising in the distance. The wife is a bit less friendly. Corn kernels dry on a woven straw mat on the ground, and the mom sorts them.
From where we are, we overlook the valley and see the road under construction winding along the mountainside on the other bank.
Dinner on the terrace of the house overlooking the path, windbreaker and fleece on: dal bhat chicken for me and chicken curry for my husband: "organic" products, at least local production. There are small vegetable gardens everywhere with all sorts of vegetables.
April 5 – While we’re having breakfast on the terrace of our lodge, 5 porters, straps on their foreheads, heavily loaded, pass by on the path. A few minutes later, a group of 9 people appears. It must be said that since the beginning of our journey, we’ve met very few hikers. Two backpackers in Chhairo, the two hikers near Lete, two female hikers passed us before Pairothapla, a solo female hiker passed us…
The lodge in Pairothapla is called "Bimala Lodge & Thakali Kitchen" – Price for night + 4 meals + 2 breakfasts = 3000 NPR.
The descent toward the Kali Gandaki involves climbs whose steps we didn’t count. Clearly, the landslides on the mountain cause changes to the official ACAP trek marked in red and white, and the marking updates can’t keep up with the pace of these landslides. It’s almost always by chance that we find the markings. Fortunately, we can follow the power line that guides us somewhat.
Drink stop in Kopchepani, the legs are fine, but the feet don’t like being tightly enclosed. A group of trekkers with porters passes on the path. We met buffaloes that we kindly let pass; the path was wide enough, but it was a staircase going up, and we didn’t want to take any risks.
Across, a view of the magnificent Rupse Waterfall on the other bank of the Kali Gandaki, at the bottom, lots of vehicles and people.
Arrival in Gadpar after crossing a rather unwelcoming small village and cultivated gardens between dry stone walls, each better built than the last.
First lodge spotted, first lodge adopted to answer the call of our feet, and a very warm welcome from the owner. Since we hadn’t eaten at noon, we had Tibetan bread/jam. 6-hour stage including 1 hour of stops. Night + dinner + breakfast + drinks = 5060 NPR
April 6 – Today, heading to Narchyang.
For several days, we’ve seen banana trees with their bunches of fruit and even a prickly pear with large fruits ripening.
This stage is quite peaceful and pleasant. We take a suspension bridge to cross a tributary of the Kali Gandaki. While we’re resting for a moment before crossing the bridge, a couple of porters, a man and a woman, arrive and start across the bridge with their wood load in a basket held by a strap on their forehead, making them bend. We set off too… lighter than them.
On the other side of the bridge… a stone staircase, and it climbs steeply. The porter couple didn’t take this staircase; they went right on the path.
At the top of the staircase, we arrive in Narchyang after a 4-hour stage. A magnificent waterfall overlooks the village. We get lost in this fairly large village looking for a lodge. After wandering around for a while, we ask for directions, and an 84-year-old man takes us through the whole village and accompanies us to a very nice lodge run by a woman.
We chat with our hostess, who asks where we’re from and where we’re going. We explain that we want to reach Tatopani the next day and then return to Pokhara. She tells us there are 4x4s going directly to Pokhara and that it would probably be easier than taking a bus that might be full in Tatopani. After a quick consultation, we decide to return to Pokhara the next day by 4x4. She finds us a 4x4 with 2 seats left, departure at 8 AM – 5 hours on the road and 1500 NPR per person. A charming didi who does everything to be pleasant and helpful.
Narchyang community lodge = night + snacks + dinner + breakfast = 3000 NPR.
There you go, our trek ends tomorrow. Many necessary changes and adaptations to our initial trek, but no regrets, it was superb and a great experience that, for my part, I won’t be able to repeat. Always this encounter with the endearing, welcoming, curious, and very kind Nepali people. It was now or never, and we did it!
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In conclusion, 3 full weeks in Nepal is a duration that allows visiting Kathmandu, Patan, and Bhaktapur, enjoying the various sites, and soaking in the atmosphere and urban Nepali life.
The trek, even revised and corrected, allowed us to get close to the impressive Annapurna and Dhaulagiri peaks. One or two acclimatization days might be necessary to get the body in tune with this magical and extraordinary land.
Hi there,
My partner and I are heading to Nepal for 15 days in March—she’s a schoolteacher. We’ll be trekking to Everest Base Camp and then doing the loop via the Gokyo Lakes.
We’d love to set up a fundraiser to donate to a school in Namche, along with visiting the school. It’s something that really matters to us. But it’s been tough to get in touch with a school—any ideas on how to go about this? Thanks!
My partner and I are heading to Nepal for 15 days in March—she’s a schoolteacher. We’ll be trekking to Everest Base Camp and then doing the loop via the Gokyo Lakes.
We’d love to set up a fundraiser to donate to a school in Namche, along with visiting the school. It’s something that really matters to us. But it’s been tough to get in touch with a school—any ideas on how to go about this? Thanks!
Hello my fellow globetrotters, could anyone tell me how to find the French colonial cemetery in Pondicherry? It seems tricky to locate.
Thanks so much for your help! Take care, pace yourselves, and travel far.
Cheers, Régine
Thanks so much for your help! Take care, pace yourselves, and travel far.
Cheers, Régine
I'm looking for a small, not-too-touristy restaurant in Fort Kochi. Do you know one not too far from Jacob Road?
Thanks
Hi there,
My wife and I are getting ready for this tour from March 27 to April 8.
I’d love to know if anyone’s traveled with Salaun Holidays before? How many people are usually in a group? How much cash should we bring?
We’re also unsure about what clothes to pack..... plus sheets and pillowcases?
And if you’ve got any tips to avoid being too bothered by beggars and touts.
Any advice you’ve got would be really helpful.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’d like to travel to Rajasthan and the Ganges Valley—it’s my first time going on a long-haul trip, and I’m thinking of booking with BTtours from Belgium (or Salaün in France). Has anyone here traveled with this agency before and can share their experience? I was planning to go around November, but some people tell me it might still be pretty cold (around 8°C)—is that true?
Also, what’s the best way to get money there? Can you enter India with cash on you?
Thanks for your help!
Also, what’s the best way to get money there? Can you enter India with cash on you?
Thanks for your help!
hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip to Northern India (Rajasthan, Ganges Valley with Varanasi (Benares)).
My travel agency is offering me two tour operators: Asia with the "Saris and Saddhus" circuit, and Salaun with the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit. I’ve already traveled to Sri Lanka and Southern India with Asia. The trips went really well.
I don’t know Salaun Holidays. Their circuit seems more comprehensive, with a day of relaxation (16 days on site). Travel with Air France.
Has any member of this forum done the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit with Salaun? Can I get your feedback on the tour operator Salaun Holidays?
Thanks so much
I’m planning a trip to Northern India (Rajasthan, Ganges Valley with Varanasi (Benares)).
My travel agency is offering me two tour operators: Asia with the "Saris and Saddhus" circuit, and Salaun with the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit. I’ve already traveled to Sri Lanka and Southern India with Asia. The trips went really well.
I don’t know Salaun Holidays. Their circuit seems more comprehensive, with a day of relaxation (16 days on site). Travel with Air France.
Has any member of this forum done the "Northern India and the Ganges Valley" circuit with Salaun? Can I get your feedback on the tour operator Salaun Holidays?
Thanks so much
Hi there.
We’re heading to India at the end of December for a month.
I planned an itinerary: Delhi, Nawalgarh, Sikar, Jodhpur, Udaipur, Chittaurgarh, Bundi, Jaipur, Bharatpur, and back to Delhi.
Our driver told us it’s not possible because there are no roads.
He’s suggesting the usual tourist circuit, which we don’t want to do.
What do you think of my route?
Any tips?
Thanks, community!
Hello,
We’re a group of 4 looking for a driver and car for our stay in Kerala from November 22 to December 12, 2025. We’ve already planned an itinerary starting from Cochin.
We’ve traveled with a driver before during our trip to Rajasthan.
Thanks for your replies!
Yves
Hi everyone,
we’re heading to Tamil Nadu and Kerala at the start of the year for 30 days. We did Rajasthan 12 years ago, but things change fast.
I’ve read that to get a SIM card, you have to buy it at a shop and then go to the operator to get a number; you’d also need an Indian mobile number. Has anyone here had recent experience with this?
For buses and trains, do you need to book them well in advance?
Any tips are welcome—thanks in advance!
Happy holidays to all,
Philippe
Hi everyone! 🙂
My partner (who’s a teacher—hence the summer holidays) and I are heading to Eastern India for 23 days in July. This is my 5th trip to India, but her first.
We fly into Delhi on July 7th and leave from Delhi on the 23rd (since our flight to Kolkata arrived late at night, and I wanted to show Agra and Varanasi to my partner).
We love getting off the beaten track and meeting people, so we’ll mostly be taking the train.
Here’s what we’re planning:
- **DELHI**: 1 night on the way (short because the plane is supposed to land at 01:55), then we take the train at 13:00 - **GWALIOR**: 3 nights, including a day trip to **AGRA** by train to see the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort (I find Agra too touristy to stay overnight). Otherwise, in Gwalior, the Fort, the temples, the Man Mandir Palace, and the Jai Vilas Palace if we have time. - **ORCHHA**: 2 nights... *maybe skip this to spend more time in VARANASI?* - **VARANASI**: overnight train + 3 nights, the Ghats, temples... maybe a day trip to **SARNATH**. - **KOLKATA**: overnight train + 3 nights. Maybe a countryside excursion to the ashram in Channa. *- Here we’re hesitating over 2 nights: either 2 nights in **SHANTINIKETAN** with a visit to **CHANNA** on the way, or a 2-day excursion to the **SUNDARBAN** nature park. But is it worth it in July during the monsoon?* - **PURI**: overnight train + 4 nights. *We’re planning to do everything from Puri, as it seems nicer than staying in BHUBANESWAR. What do you think?* Visit **KONARK** and **CHILIKA LAKE**. *Is it worth visiting Chilika Lake this season? Another question: can you swim in Puri, or is it too dangerous (waves)?* - Train to **BHUBANESWAR**, then a flight from BHUBANESWAR to **DELHI**, - 2 nights in **DELHI**, visiting Jama Masjid, and *either Humayun’s Tomb, Safdarjung’s Tomb, or Qutb Minar.*
Back to Paris. Total: 23 nights.
What do you think of these choices? What about the options we’re still unsure about *(in bold/italics)*? Thanks so much! 🙂
We fly into Delhi on July 7th and leave from Delhi on the 23rd (since our flight to Kolkata arrived late at night, and I wanted to show Agra and Varanasi to my partner).
We love getting off the beaten track and meeting people, so we’ll mostly be taking the train.
Here’s what we’re planning:
- **DELHI**: 1 night on the way (short because the plane is supposed to land at 01:55), then we take the train at 13:00 - **GWALIOR**: 3 nights, including a day trip to **AGRA** by train to see the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort (I find Agra too touristy to stay overnight). Otherwise, in Gwalior, the Fort, the temples, the Man Mandir Palace, and the Jai Vilas Palace if we have time. - **ORCHHA**: 2 nights... *maybe skip this to spend more time in VARANASI?* - **VARANASI**: overnight train + 3 nights, the Ghats, temples... maybe a day trip to **SARNATH**. - **KOLKATA**: overnight train + 3 nights. Maybe a countryside excursion to the ashram in Channa. *- Here we’re hesitating over 2 nights: either 2 nights in **SHANTINIKETAN** with a visit to **CHANNA** on the way, or a 2-day excursion to the **SUNDARBAN** nature park. But is it worth it in July during the monsoon?* - **PURI**: overnight train + 4 nights. *We’re planning to do everything from Puri, as it seems nicer than staying in BHUBANESWAR. What do you think?* Visit **KONARK** and **CHILIKA LAKE**. *Is it worth visiting Chilika Lake this season? Another question: can you swim in Puri, or is it too dangerous (waves)?* - Train to **BHUBANESWAR**, then a flight from BHUBANESWAR to **DELHI**, - 2 nights in **DELHI**, visiting Jama Masjid, and *either Humayun’s Tomb, Safdarjung’s Tomb, or Qutb Minar.*
Back to Paris. Total: 23 nights.
What do you think of these choices? What about the options we’re still unsure about *(in bold/italics)*? Thanks so much! 🙂
hi everyone, I’m putting together an itinerary for Sri Lanka in September 2026, so I’m focusing on the east side of the island because of the monsoon on the west coast:
Day 1 Kandy: botanical garden, fruit and vegetable market, traditional dance show
Day 2 Kandy-Ella train
Day 3-4 Kumana NP or Lunugamvehera Block 6+5
Day 5-6 Komari / Pottuvi lagoon safari
Day 7 head up the east coast along the beaches to reach Wasgamuwa NP
Day 8 Wasgamuwa NP early morning safari, then Polonnaruwa (temple and palace)
Day 9-10 Sigiriya Lion’s Rock and Dambulla, cave temple
Day 11-12 Wilpattu NP early morning safari, then late afternoon
Day 13-14 Kalpitiya, snorkeling and chilling
Day 15 return to Colombo
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on whether this route is doable—we’ll be traveling with a driver-guide.
Feel free to mention any great tips or good homestay experiences you’ve had, since we prefer those.
Hi everyone, Kerala experts (especially Marien!)
In January, I’m planning another trip to Kerala. We’ll arrive in Kochi and travel up the coast by train to Gokarna.
So I’m reaching out to ask if it’s worth stopping for a few days in any of the following spots (not all, of course—just one or two that are really worth it...). From what I’ve seen, few Western tourists stop along this coast, given how little info there is about it:
Mahe, Thalassery, Taliparamba, Nileshwar, Bekal, Kasaragod
I’m not mentioning Kannur because we’ve already been there, specifically Thottada Beach, and we’re familiar with the southern destinations (Trivandrum, Kovalam, etc.).
Thanks for your replies!
Anne





