Passage du tunnel du Saint-Gothard en juillet (Suisse)
by Hugobono
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour à toutes et à tous.
Nous traverserons le gothard le 18 ou le 19 juillet (en semaine, donc) pour nous rendre en vénétie.😎
Quelles sont les heures à éviter d'une manière générale ?😠
En fonction de la réponse, nous pourons choisir un hotel d'étape adéquat.
Nous choisirons en effet cette zone pour faire une étape.
Faut-il donc s'arrêter avant l'italie et passer le tunnel au matin ou s'arrêter après la suisse et passer le tunnel en fin d'après-midi ?
Juste une question de stratégie...😉
Il semble que les bouchons se forment plutôt à partir de la mi journée- avec des exceptions bien sûr. Je vous mets quelques liens qui peuvent vous servir, surtout le 3ème.
http://www.tsr.ch/info/suisse/1196571-bouchons-de-saison-au-tunnel-du-gothard.html
http://www.tcs.ch/main/fr/home/verkehrsinfo.html
http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/nationalstrassen/00619/index.html?lang=fr
http://www.tsr.ch/info/suisse/1196571-bouchons-de-saison-au-tunnel-du-gothard.html
http://www.tcs.ch/main/fr/home/verkehrsinfo.html
http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/nationalstrassen/00619/index.html?lang=fr
Je n'aurai pas le temps...
Salut Hugobono.
Ta question me laisse perplexe.
C'est un tunnel ouvert et si il n'y a pas d'accidents, pas de problème. Moins de problème qu'au Mont-Blanc c'est certain!
Si tu vas à Paris, tu attends sur le péri aux heures de pointe et personne ne s'inquiéte mais le Gothard, sa roule bien.
Certes les 1er et derniers jours des vacances scolaires, il faut être cool mais sa roule. Peut-être une ou deux heures de ralentissement au plus.
Tu traverses plus vite le Gothard que de faire Nice -Antibes en Juillet ou Août.
Je fais 50 fois par an le Gothard, je ne vois pas le problème et en plus c'est gratuit...... contrairement aux tunnels de France!
Pas besoin de prévoir un programme pour se voyage.
Bon passage en Suisse (autoroutes, une vignette valable 1 ans pour 40 frs. Suisse seulement) Un trajet Genève - Marseille et retour, 132 frs. Suisse, plus de 3 fois le prix d'un an d'autoroute en Suisse) Il faut le dire car souvent on entend que la Suisse est trop chère.
Bonne année.
Gapion
http://gapion.wordpress.com/
Bonsoir,
Je fais 50 fois par an le Gothard, je ne vois pas le problème et en plus c'est gratuit...... contrairement aux tunnels de France!
Et celui du Grand St Bernard...😛
Bon passage en Suisse (autoroutes, une vignette valable 1 ans pour 40 frs. Suisse seulement) Un trajet Genève - Marseille et retour, 132 frs. Suisse, plus de 3 fois le prix d'un an d'autoroute en Suisse) Il faut le dire car souvent on entend que la Suisse est trop chère.
Mis à part les clopes et l'essence, c'est bien la seule chose qui soit moins chère ici...🤪
Bonne année.
Bonne année à vous !
Je fais 50 fois par an le Gothard, je ne vois pas le problème et en plus c'est gratuit...... contrairement aux tunnels de France!
Et celui du Grand St Bernard...😛
Bon passage en Suisse (autoroutes, une vignette valable 1 ans pour 40 frs. Suisse seulement) Un trajet Genève - Marseille et retour, 132 frs. Suisse, plus de 3 fois le prix d'un an d'autoroute en Suisse) Il faut le dire car souvent on entend que la Suisse est trop chère.
Mis à part les clopes et l'essence, c'est bien la seule chose qui soit moins chère ici...🤪
Bonne année.
Bonne année à vous !
Tout est relatif. Je suis passé par le tunnel à certaines périodes de l'année et je n'ai pas rencontré de trafic très important, par contre j'ai eu la mauvaise surprise de voir un embouteillage en juillet très tôt le matin alors que j'avais décidé de partir dans la nuit pour justement ne pas être ennuyé par le trafic au moment de passer le tunnel. Il semblerait que tous les touristes allemands, suisses, belges et hollandais ont eu la même idée que moi. 😄
Au bout de plus d'une heure d'attente sur les quelques kilomètres qui précédaient le tunnel, je me suis décidé à passer par le col car je redoutais de rester immobilisé dans les 16 km de tunnel.
On ne voyage pas pour chercher son destin mais pour fuir l’endroit d’où on est parti. (Miguel de Unamuno)
L'homme est un dieu quand il rêve, et un mendiant quand il réfléchit (Friedrich Holderlin)
Bonjour
"Et celui du Grand St Bernard...😛 "
Si jamais, le tunnel du Grand-St. Bernard n'est pas un tunnel Suisse, il est privé (Prop. FIAT - gouvernement Italien - et pool de collectivités car en Suisse les taxes sur routes publiques sont interdites.
Pour les prix, par d'accord : Paris, une bière à la Madeleine, 11 euro à Genève, 3,70 frs. et il y a pire que la Madeleine mais je n'ose l'écrire car c'est aux Champs-Elisées alors restons objectif. Nice, une pizza vieille ville, 24 euro à Bâle 16 frs. mais là aussi il y a pire à Cagnes-sur-Mer mais prenons pas les extrêmes Un abonnement de ski 4 vallées en Suisse 25% moins cher qu'à Chamonix...eh oui......il faut bien regarder! Appareils électroniques, vétements, photos, moins chers qu'en France TVA, 7,8 % 2ème pays le moins cher d'Europe. Certes la Suisse est parfois chère, mas c'est faux de prétendre toujours que tout est plus couteux (STOP aux stéréotypes idiots) voir sur mon site comment voyager en Suisse à bon compte, dans des bons hôtels, bonne tables etc.......) Si jamais, mon agence (DJ voyages) peux t'organiser un voyage en Suisse à prix largement concurentiel voir bas prix. A bientôt pour une escapade en Suisse. J'oubliais, puisque nous sommes sur un site de voyages, les taxes d'aéroports de Gve ou de Paris, je le donne en mille, Paris CDG, 250 % plus chères..... Il faut le voir aussi ! Amicalement et bonne année
Si jamais, le tunnel du Grand-St. Bernard n'est pas un tunnel Suisse, il est privé (Prop. FIAT - gouvernement Italien - et pool de collectivités car en Suisse les taxes sur routes publiques sont interdites.
Pour les prix, par d'accord : Paris, une bière à la Madeleine, 11 euro à Genève, 3,70 frs. et il y a pire que la Madeleine mais je n'ose l'écrire car c'est aux Champs-Elisées alors restons objectif. Nice, une pizza vieille ville, 24 euro à Bâle 16 frs. mais là aussi il y a pire à Cagnes-sur-Mer mais prenons pas les extrêmes Un abonnement de ski 4 vallées en Suisse 25% moins cher qu'à Chamonix...eh oui......il faut bien regarder! Appareils électroniques, vétements, photos, moins chers qu'en France TVA, 7,8 % 2ème pays le moins cher d'Europe. Certes la Suisse est parfois chère, mas c'est faux de prétendre toujours que tout est plus couteux (STOP aux stéréotypes idiots) voir sur mon site comment voyager en Suisse à bon compte, dans des bons hôtels, bonne tables etc.......) Si jamais, mon agence (DJ voyages) peux t'organiser un voyage en Suisse à prix largement concurentiel voir bas prix. A bientôt pour une escapade en Suisse. J'oubliais, puisque nous sommes sur un site de voyages, les taxes d'aéroports de Gve ou de Paris, je le donne en mille, Paris CDG, 250 % plus chères..... Il faut le voir aussi ! Amicalement et bonne année
Gapion
http://gapion.wordpress.com/
Salut,
J'ignorais pour le tunnel du Grand St Bernard...disons que je me renseigne pas vraiment à qui appartient le tunnel chaque fois que je l'emprunte, je sais juste que j'ai eu à payer à chaque fois.
Pour le reste, je crois que c'est même pas la peine de discuter avec quelqu'un qui tient finalement à mélanger des pommes et des oranges.😛 Genre la comparaison de la pizza la plus chère de France avec la moins chère de Suisse. Ou le prix de la bière la plus chère possible à Paris avec celui que l'on paie dans le petit bistro de quartier de Genève. C'est vraiment de la mauvaise foi ! On ne peut réellement établir une comparaison qu'avec des moyennes.
Pour le prix des vêtements ou de l'électronique, la différence est moins sensible, j'en convient...
Mais globalement, on peut quand même pas nier car c'est un fait, la Suisse est le pays le plus cher d'Europe avec la Norvège (et l'Islande semble-t-il) et tant de Genevois ne prendraient la peine de passer si souvent la frontière pour aller faire les courses de l'autre côté si ce n'était pas le cas. Et je ne parle même pas du prix moyen du logement...
Encore heureux que la TVA ne soit qu'à 7,8%, vu les prix qu'on paye. Bien heureusement, les salaires sont quand même en conséquence ici. Mais pour le touriste étranger, on ne peut pas dire que ce soit donné. Même s'il y a effectivement des bons plans.
Bonne journée à vous dans vos montagnes que j'imagine bien enneigées aujourd'hui ! 🙂
J'ignorais pour le tunnel du Grand St Bernard...disons que je me renseigne pas vraiment à qui appartient le tunnel chaque fois que je l'emprunte, je sais juste que j'ai eu à payer à chaque fois.
Pour le reste, je crois que c'est même pas la peine de discuter avec quelqu'un qui tient finalement à mélanger des pommes et des oranges.😛 Genre la comparaison de la pizza la plus chère de France avec la moins chère de Suisse. Ou le prix de la bière la plus chère possible à Paris avec celui que l'on paie dans le petit bistro de quartier de Genève. C'est vraiment de la mauvaise foi ! On ne peut réellement établir une comparaison qu'avec des moyennes.
Pour le prix des vêtements ou de l'électronique, la différence est moins sensible, j'en convient...
Mais globalement, on peut quand même pas nier car c'est un fait, la Suisse est le pays le plus cher d'Europe avec la Norvège (et l'Islande semble-t-il) et tant de Genevois ne prendraient la peine de passer si souvent la frontière pour aller faire les courses de l'autre côté si ce n'était pas le cas. Et je ne parle même pas du prix moyen du logement...
Encore heureux que la TVA ne soit qu'à 7,8%, vu les prix qu'on paye. Bien heureusement, les salaires sont quand même en conséquence ici. Mais pour le touriste étranger, on ne peut pas dire que ce soit donné. Même s'il y a effectivement des bons plans.
Bonne journée à vous dans vos montagnes que j'imagine bien enneigées aujourd'hui ! 🙂
vu qu'on en est aux comparaisons, ....je fais le plein de diesel en france, en suisse ou en Italie ??????? Tant qu'à faire.... 🤪
voir ce site (belge !) : http://www.touring.be/fuel/fuel00.asp
Mathilde
Merci, super comme lien !!!!!
Mais misère, que c'est cher en italie !!!!!!! Va falloir la jouer stratégique !!!
Mais misère, que c'est cher en italie !!!!!!! Va falloir la jouer stratégique !!!
Bonjour,
Vous êtes en vacances, donc pas forcément pressé. Je vous suggère juste d'éviter le tunnel et de passer par le col du St-Gothard. Une halte au sommet, ou un air frais (voir très frais) vous donnera de plus une vue imprenable sur les alpes, et la descente sur Airolo se fait par une route magnifique (a éviter l'ancienne route, de manière à la conserver dans le plus beau des états la route pavée). Vous éviterez ainsi camions et autres véhicules dans le tunnel monotube à double sens. En dehors de cela en semaine, le temps d'attente est infime, voir zéro, les seuls à devoir attendre et passer au compte goutte étant les camions.
Amicalement
Vous êtes en vacances, donc pas forcément pressé. Je vous suggère juste d'éviter le tunnel et de passer par le col du St-Gothard. Une halte au sommet, ou un air frais (voir très frais) vous donnera de plus une vue imprenable sur les alpes, et la descente sur Airolo se fait par une route magnifique (a éviter l'ancienne route, de manière à la conserver dans le plus beau des états la route pavée). Vous éviterez ainsi camions et autres véhicules dans le tunnel monotube à double sens. En dehors de cela en semaine, le temps d'attente est infime, voir zéro, les seuls à devoir attendre et passer au compte goutte étant les camions.
Amicalement
Victoria
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Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
Hello,
we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?
Hello,
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026. We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights. After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions. Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots. Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026. We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights. After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions. Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots. Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
Hi there,
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days. I’m just starting my research. We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4. I’m not finding a ton of info on the North. Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section? Thanks
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days. I’m just starting my research. We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4. I’m not finding a ton of info on the North. Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section? Thanks
Hi there,
Can you share your experiences about Bilbao with us? We're planning to go during the last week of April, with our main goal being to visit the Guggenheim Museum. Despite our research, we're not sure if a week is too long or what there really is to see and do in Bilbao. Should we rent a car to explore the surrounding areas? For San Sebastián, it seems there are pretty convenient buses. Would a day trip there and back be doable?
Any advice would be welcome regarding the itinerary, local transportation, hotels, and how long to stay.
Thanks in advance!
Maevita






