Je planifie un petit trip en Espagne pour fin avril ( en espérant que le Covid ne viendra pas troubler mes plans !) et j'aurais besoin de quelques conseils pour m'aider à organiser ce séjour au mieux.
Globalement, j'ai compté une première étape à Cadaquès ( on part de Marseille le matin même, donc on y passera l’après-midi, et on dort à Roses) à l'aller, et une étape à Gérone au retour, pour couper le trajet et profiter de cette ville que nous avons déjà visitée et que nous aimons bien.
Le plus gros du séjour se passera à Saragosse : nous y resterons 3 jours et demi.
J'ai prévu de visiter le musée Goya, le palais de l'Aljaferia, la basilique du Pilar et la cathédrale San Salvador, d'aller faire un tour au marché central et de balader à pieds dans la vieille ville.
Mais j'ai peur que ça soit un peu juste et qu'on s'ennuie ... Est ce qu'il y a d'autres choses à visiter dans la ville ?
J'hésitais aussi à inclure une excursion d'une journée soit au monastère de Piedra soit au désert des Bardenas Reales mais je ne sais pas si cela vaut la peine.
Quelques questions : l'interdiction de photographier dans la cathédrale et la basilique s'applique-t-elle très strictement ? Cela m'ennuierait de ne pas pouvoir ramener quelques clichés. (Je photographie toujours sans flash, avec un APN Reflex)
Faut-il réserver à l'avance pour le palais Aljaferia, et acheter les billets sur internet ?
Est-ce que, comme on le lit sur leur site, le parcours dans le parc du monastère de Piedra est très physique ou est-ce qu'il est accessible pour des gens pas sportifs ? J'aimerais bien voir les ruines et les cascades, mais je ne suis pas équipée (ni matériellement, ni physiquement!) pour crapahuter !
Merci d'avance pour vos avis, conseils et retours d'expérience !
Bonjour, si vous passez par hasard près de la gare AVE, vous pouvez jeter un coup d'oeil au hall qui est trés impressionant, par sa taille (et si vous aimez le béton).
Salut,
A Saragosse "centre ville", il manque:
Le Rosario de Cristal
Les ruines Romaines( théatre)
Les sites archéologiques (le port, etc..)
Le Palais de l'Infante
Le musée de Saragosse
+ Excentré, le Paseo San Sebastian.
Plaza del Pilar, l'office de tourisme de Saragosse; Bien documenté, horaires, "pass", etc....
Plaza de Espana, l'office de tourisme d'Aragon....
La Piedra:
L'ensemble "Monumental" se visite sans pb, il y même de la restauration
Le parc est + marche avec monter/descendre
Sur la rte : Calatayud (Chateau Maure sur les hauteurs) et Daroca
Pas bien loin, une réserve ornithologique
Les Bardenas (incontournable !!)
Version "Rapide":
Saragosse, direction Tudela, à droite vers Arguedas. juste avant, à D, le panneau, rte étroite, arrivée à "fort Apache" (les militaires !), rte circulaire et tu ressorts sur Arguedas
Version "Touristique":
Un stop à Tudela (plaza Mayor), Le tour des Bardenas, puis Monastere de la Oliva, Olite et retour (grosse journée).
Version "Epicurien":
Autovia vers Huesca,
Sortie Villanueva de Gallego Nord
Direction Castejon de Valdejasa
Ejea de los Cabaleros
Sadaba Château Maure fermé le mardi, je crois
Direction Carcastillo
Environ 6 Km avant :Gros panneau direction Bardenas (a G)
La statue du berger, et tu rejoins la rte circulaire.
Un tour et demi, tu ressorts sur Arguedas
Variante:
Tu vas à Carcastillo, Monasterio de la Oliva, retour sur tes pas et tu entres dans les Bardenas comme dit avant.
NB: A la oliva, tu as une petite rte qui longe le canal de Navarre et qui rejoint l'entrée dans les Bardenas; je ne sais pas si maintenant la circulation est autorisée aux voitures.
Autre itinéraire "intéressant":
Direction Tarazona.
Arret (visite) du monasterio de la Veruela (fermé le mardi, je crois me souvenir, donc à vérifier);
Tarazona (visite)
Agreda (n122)
Olvega
Cueva de Agreda
Beraton
Calcena
Tierga
Illueca
Mores
De là, Ricla par la petite rte qui longe le rio Jalon, puis autovia vers saragosse;
Bonnes cogitations,
Razul
Ps: J’ai visité plusieurs fois la cathédral et la basilique de Saragosse, je n’ai jamais été embêté pour les prises de photos, mais peut-être que personne ne m’a vu à ces moment-là.
J’ai visité plusieurs fois la cathédral et la basilique de Saragosse, je n’ai jamais été embêté pour les prises de photos, mais peut-être que personne ne m’a vu à ces moment-là.
J'ai été à Saragosse à la mi-février.
Dans les deux églises en question, il est bien indiqué qu'on ne peut pas photographier à l'intérieur. Je me rappelle que le caissier à l'entrée de la cathédrale me l'a dit expressément. Et il y a un ou plusieurs gardes qui font observer la consigne.
Ceci dit, il y a moyen de photographier à l'intérieur (et c'est très tentant) si on le fait rapidement et lorsque le garde est ou regarde ailleurs. A l'église du Pilar, je me suis laissé surprendre, et le garde m'a rappelé l'interdiction.
....... »Ceci dit, il y a moyen de photographier à l'intérieur (et c'est très tentant) si on le fait rapidement et lorsque le garde est ou regarde ailleurs. A l'église du Pilar, je me suis laissé surprendre, et le garde m'a rappelé l'interdiction »........
Et en plus tu en es fier .
C’est interdit tu t’es demandé pourquoi ?
En effet, c'est toujours ce que je me dis.
Vu qu'on ne fait pas de photos pendant les offices, je ne vois pas qui ça dérange.
La majorité des églises permettent les photos dans des conditions cadrées : pas de flash, pas pendant les célébrations, pas de perches à selfie, par exemple, et je trouve ça tout à fait correct.
A Prague, il faut dans un certain nombre de lieu payer un supplément pour avoir le droit de faire des photos, si cet argent va à l'entretien des monuments, ça me va aussi.
Par contre, interdire arbitrairement les photos dans un lieu, ça me pose problème .
Salut Michel,
Mauvaise pioche !
Certes les marchands du temple te vendront des photos, mais:
Nous sommes en Espagne; A Saragosse, un lieu de culte, c'est aussi un lieu où les familles passent un "Moment" en famille;
Donc, les laisser tranquilles ne me parait pas excessif.
La faute (il faut bien un coupable !) vient sans doute de "Blogueurs et autres youtubtruc" qui , sans se soucier de quiconque, monopolisent le lieu pour des self', ç'est moi et je vous emm'...!
Pour connaître un peu, je confirme qu'en "Heure creuse" on peut faire quelques souvenirs....
Saragosse ?
Vraiment une chouette ville !
Razul
Et qu'est-ce que ça fait du bien de visiter des lieux sans photos, d'aller à des concerts sans vidéo.... Un retour à la vie normale, quand on savait apprécier ce que voit ou entend.
Pour moi, faire des photos n'est pas antinomique avec "apprécier ce que l'on voit", au contraire. J'aime regarder longuement et en détail, et ensuite photographier de façon réfléchie. la photo est pour moi une démarche artistique et elle fait partie du plaisir des voyages.
Je conçois par contre qu'on soit agacé par les gens qui visitent le portable ou la tablette en l'air et qui regarderont leur voyage de retour, ou par les maniaques du selfie.
Je comprends votre démarche , la mode du selfie , de la consommation à outrance de l’image a mis à mal le travail de celui qui aime la photographie .
C’est pour cette raison que l’interdiction des photos ne le gêne plus , car pour un photographe on auras 99 selfistes de services empêchant la contemplation tranquille d’une œuvre .
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The flights would take us from Bordeaux to Menorca on the evening of 9/07 and return to Bordeaux in the evening on 13/07.
Or to Alghero very early on 10/07 (departure at 6 AM) and return in the mid-afternoon on 13/07.
We love beautiful landscapes, the sea, snorkeling, walks (hiking), and the charm of villages.
We want to spend some quality time as a couple without our kids and mix discovery with relaxation.
I can’t make up my mind. The transport costs are roughly the same when you factor in parking for Sardinia since the early departure means no public transport from home.
We’ve never been to Menorca, Sardinia, or Italy at all. I’ve been to Majorca, though.
Menorca would be 4 nights and 4 days, while Alghero would be 3 nights and 2.5 days.
Also, what itinerary would you recommend for Alghero and Menorca?
Where to stay?
Thank you so much for your insightful traveler tips.
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I can choose to be there over the weekend or during the week. Probably 4 nights.
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Little or no difference would simplify my itinerary on the way.
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Day 2: Polignano a Mare – Monopoli
Day 3: Ostuni – Brindisi
Day 4: Lecce
Day 5 & 6: Exploring the coast from Otranto to Santa Maria di Leuca
Day 7 & 8: Gallipoli area
Day 9 & 10: Matera
We’re considering renting a place near Lecce for 5 days and using it as a base to explore the region.
Hi there,
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Hello,
We’re heading to Rome from 21/09, arriving in the early afternoon, and returning on 28/09, leaving in the morning. We’ve already booked our flight tickets and our accommodation in the city center: Via Ezio.
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Monday 21 afternoon:
Largo di Torre Argentina: a sacred spot for cats.
Tuesday 22:
The Vatican: Vatican Museums and Sistine Chapel in the morning. Afternoon: St. Peter’s Basilica, the dome, and if possible, the necropolis.
Wednesday 23:
Morning: Colosseum, Roman Forum, and Palatine Hill. Afternoon: Trastevere neighborhood and the Monumento a Garibaldi.
Thursday 24:
Piazza Navona, Church of St. Louis of the French, the Pantheon, Campo de’ Fiori, Piazza Venezia, Piazza Santa Maria Maggiore, Trevi Fountain.
Friday 25:
Villa Borghese, Piazza del Popolo, Spanish Steps, Quirinale, Piazza della Repubblica, and Santa Maria degli Angeli.
Saturday 26:
Aventine and Testaccio neighborhoods, the Capuchin Crypt.
Sunday 27:
Ostia.
Monday 28:
Departure.
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Summer 2027 is going to be Norwegian for us!
We’re heading to the Lofoten Islands first, then Senja, near Tromsø, and finally the North Cape.
We’ll likely start from northern Finland (flight tickets and car rentals are more affordable there).
I’d like to book accommodations early to have more options.
Good value-for-money places go fast in these pricey Nordic destinations...
But where should we book?
We’re planning to stay around ten nights in the Lofoten Islands.
What’s the best approach?
One place in the central part and explore from there?
One place in the south and another in the center?
Or one in the south, one in the center, and one in the north (3-4-3 nights)?
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I’m looking for some great tips for a stay in Palma de Mallorca this summer.
I need cheap flights departing from Toulouse and affordable accommodation for 4 people.
What do you recommend?
Best regards,
I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it?
Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA
Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.)
Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town
Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia
Day 7: Ortigia
Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?)
Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional)
Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?)
Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice
Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip)
Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible
Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits
Day 20: The city
Day 21: The city (Monreale?)
Day 22: Options:
- Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello)
- Cefalù (45 min by train)
Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
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I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
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Hi there,
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Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay
D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there
D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there
D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night
D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night
D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda
D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there
D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions:
Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential...
Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day?
Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit.
Have a great day, everyone!
Christine
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we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026.
We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights.
After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions.
Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots.
Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days.
I’m just starting my research.
We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4.
I’m not finding a ton of info on the North.
Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section?
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