je rentre d'un circuit de 17 jours en thailande, acheté sur Last minute, et prestation fournie par climat du monde.
Le circuit comprend 11 jours de ballade dans le nord et l'ouest, pour finir par 5 jours à kho samui.
Commençons par le début. Vol par Ethiad, paris Bangkok via Abhu dabi. Je recommande à tout le monde cette cie, car trés pro, avions neufs et confortables, service impeccable, nourriture trés correcte, et ponctualité suisse.
pour ce qui est du circuit proposé, (Bangkok, Sukkotai, chiang rai, triangle d'or, Chiang mai, bangkok, rivière Kwai, Pimai, et Korat. Tous ces lieux ont un interet plus ou moins varié, seul problème, c'est que nous passons le plus clair des journées dans les transports (bus, minibus, train) Les visites se font au pas de charge(en moyenne 1/2 heure par site, ce qui est trés peu) et qu'il ne faut pas compter sur les explications du guide, car il est tout au plus un accompagnateur chargé de compter ses protégés quand ils remontent dans le bus😠 . Il est inutile de lui poser des questions relatives au programme, car entre le fait que son français est approximatif, il ne souhaite pas donner la moindre explication sur les lieux visités. Au final les réponses sont dans le guide du routard ou dans le guide Michelin et de toute façon le guide n'est pas impliqué dans sa mission initiale; (avis personnel, mais partagé par l'ensemble des participants)
Concernant l'hotellerie et la restauration, les hotels proposés sont dans la moyenne inferieure (propreté douteuse, chambres vetustes, et hotels loin des centres ville.
La restauration est potable, mais tjrs la meme: à savoir riz, poulet aux cacahuetes, porc aux ananas, et boeuf aux oignons à tous les repas (midi et soir) Ne choisissez pas ce genre de circuit pour des découvertes gastronomiques car vous allez être plus que déçus.
l'organisation générale est gérée au jour le jour, mais bon, au final ça se passe à peu prés comme prévu.
Enfin, les 5 derniers jours sur Kho samui sont trés appréciés, car on peut enfin se reposer aprés les heures interminables passées dans les transports.
Vous l'aurez compris, je suis trés déçu par la prestation fournie, mais pas par la Thailande. ce pays reste un pays magnifique (surtout le nord) et je pense qu'avec un peu plus de serieux dans la préparation d'un tel voyage, on doit pouvoir effectuer un séjour trés sympa dans un pays accueuillant.
Je déconseille fortement à des futurs partants pour la Thailande de passer par ce genre de tour operator, car la prestation fournie est à mon sens totalement nulle et hors de prix (2000€ en moyenne par personne) et la qualité n'est pas au rendez vous. Enfin, le service proposé par le TO est totalement inexistant.
pour ceux qui souhaitent plus de renseignements, je me tiens à leur disposition.
c'est toujours pareil des sejours a ces prix la tout compris il faut absolument tirer les prix vers le bas : sur le billet d avion et les transport en thailande on peux gratter un peu mais pas beaucoup alors les economies se font sur les hotels, la bouffes le salaires des guides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bon c'est vrai qu avec un tout petit peux d organisation on peux organiser des menus varies
d un autre cote chaque fois que je rentre en avion c'est plein de tours francais qui ont l air plutot satisfait
Sans vouloir tourner le couteau dans la plaie, quand on s'échine a vous dire de ne pas venir en Thailande avec un TO, vous trouverez tout sur place même de bons guides.... et passer a coté de la gastronomie thailandaise, quel dommage 😕 au point de dire "Au final les réponses sont dans le guide du routard ou dans le guide Michelin" 🤪 La c'est grave docteur quand on sait ce que vaut le Routard sur la Thailande 🙁. Moralité, et merci pour votre message qui conforte nos dire sur le forum, ne commettez pas la même erreur 😉
Si je puis me permettre sans vouloir être agressif, ni vous manquer de respect je me permet de vous répondre sans ménagement car le but de votre post n'est pas très clair:
Vous plaigniez vous du TO (service inexistant, prix exorbitant, nourriture à peine passable)?
Ou des hôtels et divers lieux qui vous ont accueillis (moyenne inférieure propreté douteuse, chambres vétustes, et hôtels loin des centres ville, la restauration est potable, mais tjrs la même, Ne choisissez pas ce genre de circuit pour des découvertes gastronomiques car vous allez être plus que déçus.)
Pour commencer je pense qu'en 17 jours il est très difficile de découvrir un pays surtout avec le programme que vous aviez...
Ne vous plaignez pas d'avoir passez votre temps dans les transports quand vous voulez découvrir un pays de part en part en 17 jours c'est hallucinant.
Vous saviez très bien que vous alliez survoler les choses et pas vraiment les explorer.
Pour l'hôtellerie et la restauration partir avec un TO est la meilleur choses pour ne pas découvrir un pays, un accueil, et une gastronomie. La plupart des gens le savent qu'il est quasiment impossible d'apprécier une culture culinaire quand on ne la découvre pas par soi même.
Ce genre de voyage est fait pour les touristes et non pour les gens qui veulent s'imprégner d'un pays, ils sont près formater au goût et envies occidentales.
La Thaïlande est un pays qui mérite que l'on s'y attarde, comme tout les pays, mais pas que l'on se plaigne de ne pas avoir compris les divers sites visités ou rien vu de tout le pays en 17 jours.
Pour finir, partir à l'autre bout du monde 17 jours et revenir en disant que tout a été survolé c'est un peu normal, imagine visiter la France ( et sa cuisine régionale) dans le même laps de temps. C'est mission impossible.
En ce qui concerne le TO, le programme détaillé devait être fourni avant le départ et via internet le VF vous auriez pu vous renseignez.
Je comprends le goût amer que vous avez en rentrant car en déduisant le billet d'avion ( environ 700€) il vous restez 1300€ pour 17 jours soit 76 € par jour, budget plus que confortable pour la Thaïlande, lorsqu'on sait qu'une chambre double très correcte c'est 14 € et un repas au restau 5€ pour 2...
Je comprend votre déception mais chacun fais des choix et les assume, je ne vous plaint malheureusement pas !
Hello,
je suis vraiment désolée pour vous que votre séjour en Thailande n' ait pas été ce qu' il aurait dû être, c' est à dire fantastique et inoubliable. Vous aviez certainement vos raisons pour faire cette incursion en Thailande avec un TO. Par ailleurs c' est comme on dit une expérience. Mais bon, ce n' est pas si grave que ça non plus il faut relativiser. L' aperçu que vous avez eu de ce si beau pays va vous pousser à y revenir en " indépendant " une autre fois. J' ai parfois eu recours à des TO pour d' autres petites semaines de vacances simples pour me poser et reposer, conduite, guidée, où tout était prévu, le all inclusive quoi. Mais alors, s' il y a une chose dont je suis fière, c' est d' avoir eu l' envie d' aller en Thailande par mes propres moyens avec un minimum de préparation ( je connaissais pas VF à l' époque ) et revenir émerveillée de 3 semaines où tout se passe super bien, où tout est structuré pour aller d' un endroit à un autre......et tout et tout.......pas de galère, pas d' arnaque, que des gens accueillants avec qui le contact est facile et passe super bien, un vrai bonheur. Autour de moi il y a des personnes qui me disent " je pars en Thailande avec TO trucmuch ", je tente de les dissuader......ça marche pas, ils ont peur. Et à chaque retour j' entends le même discours à peu près ce que vous nous racontez.
En tout état de cause je vous souhaite d' avoir envie d' y retourner mais différemment.
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉 Ah AH AH AH 😉😉😉😉😉😉😉 te revoila 😛😛😛😛😛😛 Oh ! le beau n'avion 😛😛😛😛
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toujours aussi pertinent et plein d'humour dans tes réponses c'est génial, surtout change rien c'est énorme.
comme quoi, faire par soi même, cibler, ne pas vouloir tout voir en 15 jours, et parcourir le forum pour cibler en fonction de ses attentes et de ses envies. Voila le meilleur des TO ....😎
Hello misscoco,
Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec ton post mais pour "relativiser" il ne "faut pas" mettre tous les TO dans le même panier, certains sont beaucoup mieux que d'autres...
Il n'est pas toujours facile de partir dans un pays inconnu, même en ayant lu VF, depuis des jours, des mois...
Certaines personnes ont besoin de prendre des repères pour se dire, en fin de compte, la prochaine fois, j'y retourne sans TO car la Thailande c'est facile... Mais l'aurait-il fait du premier coup ???😉
Et puis il y a des impératifs quelques fois qui ne te laissent pas le choix😕
L'asie ne se decouvre pas part le biais de TO, c'est que je pense.
Avec 2000eur vous pouvez y passez de merveilleuse vacances pendant 1mois et demis voir 2mois.
Puis au moins vous choisisez tout !!! c'est trop facile là-bas.
Voyager "indépendant" c'est aussi favorisé l'économie de ptite compagnie, d'entreprise et de travailleurs locales.
Puis c'est aussi faire un minuscule pied de nez au MultiNationale qui mange pendant que les autres vont "crever" ptit à ptit.
N'empêche que c'est tout à ton honneur et je t'en remercie de dire ce que tu as vécu et de peut être en raisoner quelques autres qui ont peut être un peu "peur" de voyager comme cela par soucis de sécurité, d'hygiène et de facilités pour la plus part du temps.
""Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec ton post mais pour "relativiser" il ne "faut pas" mettre tous les TO dans le même panier, certains sont beaucoup mieux que d'autres..."" j' en conviens, le prix probablement, et encore pas sûr, à condition que le circuit, les visites, le rythme soient en adéquation avec ses envies, ses rêves...l' aspect matériel pour les hotels par exemple....
""Il n'est pas toujours facile de partir dans un pays inconnu, même en ayant lu VF, depuis des jours, des mois..."" quand je suis partie en Thailande la première fois, " ma moitié" se demandait si je n' étais pas tout simplement devenue écervelée, j' ai dû le persuader, le traîner, l' entraîner, il a enfin consenti à me suivre, mais appréhendait énormément mon initiative.
Mais il en est revenu tellement content 😏😏😏😏😏😏 et je le dis bien souvent, je n' avais même pas, à l' époque, les avis sur VF, juste deux guides ( qui ne m' ont pas beaucoup servi car j' ai instantanément fait des rencontres enrichissantes et glané des tuyaux une fois sur place ), j' ai sur place écouté des voyageurs qui me livraient leurs expériences du moment T, des fois je m' en inspirais, des fois pas, c' était selon....selon les envies du moment, j' avais l' entière liberté d' aller là ou là; et c' est vrai que cette liberté me tiens à coeur, chose qui n' existe pas en circuit organisé.😉😉😉😉😉😉 Par contre on voit moins de choses en 3 semaines qu' en 15 jours en circuit, c' est un choix. Ce que je vois je le vois mieuxxxxxx😛😛😛😛😛 qu' en circuit 😛😛😛😛
""Certaines personnes ont besoin de prendre des repères pour se dire, en fin de compte, la prochaine fois, j'y retourne sans TO car la Thailande c'est facile... Mais l'aurait-il fait du premier coup ???"" tu as tout a fait raison, c' est souvent comme ça; je le dis ds mon post : j' espère que cet aperçu lui donnera l' envie d' y revenir par ses propres moyens. Ce serait trop " bête" de connaître la Thailande uniquement par le biais de la visite guidée. Tout est si facile là bas.
""Et puis il y a des impératifs quelques fois qui ne te laissent pas le choix"" ok, ça doit arriver 😉😉😉😉
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
""Il n'est pas toujours facile de partir dans un pays inconnu, même en ayant lu VF, depuis des jours, des mois..."" quand je suis partie en Thailande la première fois, " ma moitié" se demandait si je n' étais pas tout simplement devenue écervelée, j' ai dû le persuader, le traîner, l' entraîner, il a enfin consenti à me suivre, mais appréhendait énormément mon initiative.
Qu'en tu pars avec "ta moitié", c'est déjà un peu plus rassurant quelque part...
Par rapport à qu'en tu pars qu'avec toi même 😉😉
d'où le fait que, quelques fois il y a des impératifs de personnes proches (parents) qui préfèrent de voir partir avec un TO "car plus rassurant pour eux surtout" et qui t'offrent un voyage pour une grande occasion, et là, comment dire non 🤪😉
Ceci dit, pour en revenir au post initial, certains TO sont très sérieux par rapport à d'autres, mais effectivement il faut y mettre un peu le prix...😛
Je viens de voir que fourvière avait payé 2.000€ par personne😕😕. J'aimerais bien savoir combien coûtait le voyage sans l'extension de 5 jours à koh samui qui forcément augmente énormement le budget du voyage de base...
"""Qu'en tu pars avec "ta moitié", c'est déjà un peu plus rassurant quelque part...
Par rapport à qu'en tu pars qu'avec toi même """ Oui, la première fois, ( quoi que ?) Enfin là j' en sais rien. Par contre ayant vu et ressenti combien il est aisé de voyager en Thailande, je me vois bien y aller toute seule comme une grande 😉😉😉😉😉 Sauf peut-être pour faire la chasse aux bébétes ds le bungalow !!!!!!😉😉😉😉 Bon là je rigole.....
Ben.....Pirandy.....ça le fait pas...je crois comprendre qu' il est pas d' accord 😎😎😎😎😎😎 il est tombé lui aussi amoureux de la Thailande ( et de la Malaisie en + ).
""d'où le fait que, quelques fois il y a des impératifs de personnes proches (parents) qui préfèrent de voir partir avec un TO "car plus rassurant pour eux surtout" oui, oui, oui, les appréhensions dûes à "l' inconu" des proches, leurs inquiétudes, c' est vraiment ce que je vis toutes les fois. D' où mes appels tel. pratiquement chaque jour ( merci 1/2 call !!!! ) pour rassurer que je ne suis pas tombée ds un embuscade, ou noyée...ou je ne sais quoi encore...c' est de la folie l' angoisse ds les chaumières 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 😉
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
Par contre ayant vu et ressenti combien il est aisé de voyager en Thailande, je me vois bien y aller toute seule comme une grande
Coucou Misscoco, 😎😎😎 (il fait très beau ce matin à Paris)
Le pire, c'est que maintenant j'aimerais bien y allez seule (ce qui était prévu pour la fin de l'année), mais à chaque fois j'ai quelqu'un qui me demande de partir avec moi et que je ne peux pas refuser.😉 😠😛
Accès interdit sur VF 😉😉😉😉😉 comme ça je suis tranquilou 😉😉😉😉 non, je plaisante... 😛😛😛😛😛 il aime pas le virtuel, 😉😉😉😉 mais je lui raconte vos " co............... de mecs, et du coup il comprends pourquoi je suis addict de VF 😉😉😉😉😉 et du PDS 😉😉😉
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
😉😉😉😉😉 Hello Khun Thuan 😉😉😉😉😉
devenue et restée, ........... tu veux dire 😇😇😇😇😇😇😛😛😛😛😛😛 boff, boff, ça se discute 🤪🤪🤪😛😛😛😛
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
"""mais à chaque fois j'ai quelqu'un qui me demande de partir avec moi et que je ne peux pas refuser. ""
Je t' ai pas encore demandé, mais ça pourrait bien venir 😉😉😉😉😛😛😛😛 gardons espoir 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪😛😛
""(il fait très beau ce matin à Paris) "" c' est tellement rare en cet été ( presque pourri ) que ça se remarque obligatoirement. Profitons en 😉😉😉😉
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""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
hello Khun Barbot, 😉😉😉😉😉😉
On devrait faire un TO rien que pour les meilleurs ( es ) de VF Thailande. Du style Barbot, Thuan, Garigero, RRR, Davdevil, Pirandy, Vic, Lili, Pat, Fortini, BoumBoum Flipflop.............. et bien d' autres encore, vous voyez bien que j' en oublie, que ceux et celles non mentionnés ( ées ) ne viennent pas m' assassiner, on fera une extension après sélection 😉😉😉😉😉😉😉
bon, je sors avant que ça crie ici...........😉😉😉😉😉
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
Mais, docteur, vous ne pensez quand même pas que je vais me soigner..😎😎😎😎😎😎
""Le voyage pour moi, ce n' est pas arriver, c' est partir. C' est l' imprévu de la prochaine escale, c' est le désir jamais comblé de connaître sans cesse autre chose, c' est demain, éternellement demain"" Roland Dorgelès.
J'entends bien qu'il n'y a aucun manque de respect dans vos propos. mon post est juste une mise en garde à de futurs partants popur la thailande. Les TO c'est bien, mais en abuser ça craint.
Pour revenir à ce que j'ai pu lire ça et la, nous sommes partis à 4, et un peu en catastrophe, car resa faites 15 jours avant le départ. On ne fait pas tjrs ce que l'on veut pour les dates de vacances.
Enfin, je retournerai en thailande, car c'est un pays merveilleux, mais j'irai avec un minimum de prepa.
Pour ce qui de l'extention à Kho Samui, les 5 jours sont facturés 450€ par personne.
Merci à tous pour vos messages pertinents
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Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
