Sac de couchage chaud ou association de plusieurs légers?
by Roulelemonde
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Toujours en prépa d'un périple à vélo à durée indéterminée, j'en suis au choix du sac de couchage; Suite à une virée à l'arrache cet été en partie en stop et très peu équipé (toile de tente exterieure et sac de couchage quechua S15 (degrés), le froid m'a donné quelques nuits blanches; Or, en plus de ce sac, j'ai aussi un drap de sac (coton) mc kinley et un sursac quechua adapté à des températures de + 3° C environ;
Deux éléments que je n'avais pas emmené
Mon interrogation est de savoir si la combinaison de ces trois équipements, suivant les températures, pourrait suffire pour 2, 3 voire 4 saisons, y compris pour des temperatures en dessous de 0° ? et donc économiser sur un sac de couchage, d'autant je n'ai toujours pas trouvé le sac couchage idéal, ni trop lourd, ni trop cher, ni trop "léger" pour le froid; Le sursac comme le drap de sac permet aussi un meilleur isolement du froid, par contre
l'effet de condensation du sursac est peut-être problématique
S'il y a des avis, merci d'avance !
Va toujours par le chemin le plus court, et le plus court est le chemin tracé par la nature
A mon avis tu dois bien gagner 2 bons degré! 😏
Nan sérieusement, oublie. Le seul drap qui peut te faire gagner 3 ou 4° c'est le thermolite (la pub mensongère annonce +11° et c'est vraiment cher >50€). Le drap de coton c'est lourd et ça te fais gagner (au mieux) un degré, le sursac peut être aussi...
Pour le sol, il te faut déjà matelas avec une bonne R-value pour du 4 saisons, sinon toute la chaleur se fera la malle par le dos. C'est moins problématique en 3 saisons.
Plutôt que d'emmener un drap en coton, emmène des sous vêtements chaud, ça sera aussi lourd mais plus utile (et plus chaud!). Le sursac te donnera une protection si tu souhaite dormir à la belle étoile, mais rien de plus.
Malheureusement le duvet reste un des éléments les plus cher du matos et c'est pas près de changer...
Je te conseille d'aller faire un petit tour sur randonner-leger.org. Tu y trouveras une tonne d'informations (dans le wiki en 1er, le forum ensuite) sur ce sujet largement abordé. 🙂
Salut Titeariane,
J'ai passé l'aprem à écumer les sites style randonner-leger, journaldutrek and co !
Je sais que ma solution est space, bref y a mieux; En regardant les sujets proches, une des discussions de Vfpromeneur parle de combiner deux sacs de couchage de legereté et capacité au froid à peu près équivalentes (exemple : quechua S15 et S10);
Ce qui permettrait plus de souplesse d'usage suivant les températures, et vu que j'ai déjà un S15, je me demande si prendre le même ou proche serait ou pas une bonne idée, y compris pour automne, hiver, montagne etc
Va toujours par le chemin le plus court, et le plus court est le chemin tracé par la nature
Alors si tu as bien regardé je ne vois comment tu peux envisager sereinement dans la même phrase "S10 + S15 + Montagne" 😮.
Déjà as tu un budget précis? (faut peut être commencer par là).
Ensuite, le problème de l'empilement des duvets:
- le poids, le volume: ça va être lourd et énorme. Je sais pas comment tu comptes porter tes affaires, mais j'espère que tu as des bons mollets et une grosse remorque
- le vrai problème: si tu as bien lu, tu as compris que c'est l'air chaud "coincé" entre les plumes de duvets (ou des fibres synthétiques) qui fait l'isolation. Si tu empiles 2 duvets, tu va tout compresser et expulser l'air qui sert d'isolant thermique => ton S10 + S15 va finir en S20 (pour imager). Peut être qui si tu prends ton 1er duvet en taille L et le 2ème en XL, ça sera mieux. Ou alors le 2ème duvet étalé en couette sur le 1er.
Mais bon, on navigue toujours à une t° confort autour de 10°! Avec des bons sous-vêtements, tu dois pouvoir descendre à 5° peut être (en ayant bien mangé le soir). Et ça va te coûter 5kg et 20L 🏴☠️.
A mon avis, ça vaut le coup d'investir un minimum dans un sac de couchage en duvet (même un peu lourd) mais qui aura un rapport t°/poids/volume plus intéressant. Mon dernier argument: si c'était une idée qui marchait à merveille, ça se saurait! 😉
Ti'Pol
A mon avis, ça vaut le coup d'investir un minimum dans un sac de couchage en duvet (même un peu lourd) mais qui aura un rapport t°/poids/volume plus intéressant. Mon dernier argument: si c'était une idée qui marchait à merveille, ça se saurait! 😉
Ti'Pol
Ti pol ou Tit ariane ? on les reconnait plus 😄
Tu as surement raison, j'ai jusque là utilisé seulement le S15 en été; Par contre je préfère voyager assez léger, mais comme beaucoup je n'aime pas prendre d'équipements trop chers; Je vais surement rester concentré sur la recherche d'un sac optimal, assez léger, chaud, pas trop cher; Si tu as des bons plans ou idées, je suis preneur ! J'ai noté quelques sacs qui ont l'air de compromis pas trop mals, comme le Deuter trek lite 300 (en fait un des seuls !)
Va toujours par le chemin le plus court, et le plus court est le chemin tracé par la nature
J'avoue que je squatte honteusement le pseudo de ma femme (qui ne poste jamais), j'ai eu la flemme de faire le mien 😊.
Si tu veux chaud et léger, prend du duvet en plume (sauf si tu penses que l'humidité est un réel problème ou tu iras).
Pour les bons plans: les marques comme yeti (polonaise, ne pas confondre avec l'anglaise), cumulus (et j'en oublie encore une) sont les meilleures rapport qualité/prix. en revanche pour que ce soit rentable (pas distribuées en France), il faut mettre un petit prix quand même, pas loin de 200€ (les frais de port ne sont pas donnés). Moins cher: les promos en tout genre en France Encore moins cher: en occasion. C'est un peu space je te l'accorde, mais j'ai acheté mon 1er duvet comme ça: un warm'n light 600 de lafuma vendu 85€ touché à 25 (fdp inclus). t° confort 10°, 600g. J'ai récidivé avec un duvet yeti que j'ai touché à 150€ au lieu d'un peu plus de 200, il avait servi 5 nuits. t° confort -5°, 1kg. Il y a des bonnes affaires, mais il faut scruter 🙂.
Pour le modèle que tu donnes: à jeter aux orties. Cher, et 300g de plumes dans un sac de 1kg? Il est lesté au plomb? A ce prix, autant acheter en Pologne! En plus avec 300g, tu vas te cailler sévère... Pour le même prix ou moins cher, vise au moins 500g de plumes... Plus le cuin (filling power) sera élevé et mieux ce sera. A partir de 700 c'est pas mal.
Si tu veux chaud et léger, prend du duvet en plume (sauf si tu penses que l'humidité est un réel problème ou tu iras).
Pour les bons plans: les marques comme yeti (polonaise, ne pas confondre avec l'anglaise), cumulus (et j'en oublie encore une) sont les meilleures rapport qualité/prix. en revanche pour que ce soit rentable (pas distribuées en France), il faut mettre un petit prix quand même, pas loin de 200€ (les frais de port ne sont pas donnés). Moins cher: les promos en tout genre en France Encore moins cher: en occasion. C'est un peu space je te l'accorde, mais j'ai acheté mon 1er duvet comme ça: un warm'n light 600 de lafuma vendu 85€ touché à 25 (fdp inclus). t° confort 10°, 600g. J'ai récidivé avec un duvet yeti que j'ai touché à 150€ au lieu d'un peu plus de 200, il avait servi 5 nuits. t° confort -5°, 1kg. Il y a des bonnes affaires, mais il faut scruter 🙂.
Pour le modèle que tu donnes: à jeter aux orties. Cher, et 300g de plumes dans un sac de 1kg? Il est lesté au plomb? A ce prix, autant acheter en Pologne! En plus avec 300g, tu vas te cailler sévère... Pour le même prix ou moins cher, vise au moins 500g de plumes... Plus le cuin (filling power) sera élevé et mieux ce sera. A partir de 700 c'est pas mal.
Merci pour tes infos et avis,
Philosophiquement et stratégiquement, je ne peux et ne veux pas pas mettre plus de 200 euros dans un duvet ou sac couchage, étant donné qu'au delà, les prix rejoignent quasiment celui de mon vélo 😉; Donc je vais essayer de trouver un duvet chaud et léger plutot autour des 100 euros maxi, quitte à devoir allumer un feu de camps ! ou à rester sur mon option de combiner deux sacs plus légers et pas très chers
Va toujours par le chemin le plus court, et le plus court est le chemin tracé par la nature
Bonjour
Nous avons voyagé 13 mois avec des sacs de couchage recommandé par d'autres. Ils sont annoncés 3 saisons mais nous avons eu jusqu'à -7 ° dans la tente, à plusieurs reprises en Mongolie et des températures froides sur l'altiplano et n'avons jamais eu froid. Ce sont les duvets Millet Camp Regular, ils sont en duvet et nous les avions payés 135 euros (avril 2011). La température de confort est donnée entre -3 et 2 °, mais en les combinant avec un thermolite c'était vraiment suffisant même pour moi plutôt frileuse. Les enfants avaient les mêmes et pas eu froid non plus. Il était inenvisageable pour nous de mettre 300 ou 500 euros juste pour les duvets vu qu'il nous en fallait 6 ! Après plus de 150 nuits dedans dans toutes sortes de conditions, je les recommande. Ils sont par contre trop chaud à 15 ou 20° mais nous dormions alors dans le seul thermolite. il me paraît indispensable pour un voyage au long cours de prendre un sac en soie ou autre pour protéger le duvet, augmenter la polyvalence et pouvoir laver facilement. Nous avions aussi de bons matelas (therm'a-rest) qui sont importants pour l'isolation comme dit précédemment.
Nous avons voyagé 13 mois avec des sacs de couchage recommandé par d'autres. Ils sont annoncés 3 saisons mais nous avons eu jusqu'à -7 ° dans la tente, à plusieurs reprises en Mongolie et des températures froides sur l'altiplano et n'avons jamais eu froid. Ce sont les duvets Millet Camp Regular, ils sont en duvet et nous les avions payés 135 euros (avril 2011). La température de confort est donnée entre -3 et 2 °, mais en les combinant avec un thermolite c'était vraiment suffisant même pour moi plutôt frileuse. Les enfants avaient les mêmes et pas eu froid non plus. Il était inenvisageable pour nous de mettre 300 ou 500 euros juste pour les duvets vu qu'il nous en fallait 6 ! Après plus de 150 nuits dedans dans toutes sortes de conditions, je les recommande. Ils sont par contre trop chaud à 15 ou 20° mais nous dormions alors dans le seul thermolite. il me paraît indispensable pour un voyage au long cours de prendre un sac en soie ou autre pour protéger le duvet, augmenter la polyvalence et pouvoir laver facilement. Nous avions aussi de bons matelas (therm'a-rest) qui sont importants pour l'isolation comme dit précédemment.
Merci pour l'info ! il a pas l'air mal en effet, c'est autour de la limite poids/prix maxi que je m'etais fixé
J'y réflechi encore, et je vais voir; J'ai un drap de sac coton acheté chez intersport il y a longtemps, j'espère que ça peut suffire pour le combiner avec, sinon je vais encore devoir donner des euros, avant de quitter l'euro
Va toujours par le chemin le plus court, et le plus court est le chemin tracé par la nature
Ah oui, j'oubliais un petit conseil encore, en plus c'est le meilleur: 😉
Je ne sais pas quand tu pars, mais le mieux à faire c'est de tester, idéalement dans des conditions similaires à ce que tu vas rencontrer.
Tu compte dormir par 0°? Et ben la prochaine fois qu'il fait 0° la nuit, tu dors sur ton balcon, dans ton jardin ou dans la forêt près de chez toi. Tu emmènes ton matos, et tu vois par toi même en faisant tes petites expériences 🙂.
Par rapport à ton test, tu enlèves ensuite 1 ou 2° parce qu'en réalité quand tu es fatigué le froid ressenti est plus grand, mais ça te donnera déjà une super bonne indication.
Ti'Pol
PS: le duvet donné en référence plus haut est déjà mieux pour affronter du 3 saisons ou un petit 4 saisons avec sous vêtement + thermolite.
Ti'Pol
PS: le duvet donné en référence plus haut est déjà mieux pour affronter du 3 saisons ou un petit 4 saisons avec sous vêtement + thermolite.
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I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Heinz Stucke has passed away.
He never stopped traveling the world since 1962.
So sad.
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hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hi there,
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
Coming soon:
https://www.Biclou.com/parcours/durance/
Starting from Faverges: 900 km over 9 days

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Hi there,
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
Hi there!
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
Hi, I'm looking for a Pino tandem bike for sale in Quebec and I can't find any. Does anyone have any info, please? Thanks a bunch!