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Thaïlande: témoin d'une scène inhumaine
by Lumpini
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Salut a tous,
Ce matin, en rentrant de ma petite sortie a velo, j apercois de loin un vehicule de la police genre panier a salade, le vehicule est arreter en bord de route juste en face d un restaurant en pleine campagne. Passant a coter, je jette un coup d oeil dans le camion cage et horrifier j apercois pleins de pauvres Birmans torse nus, entassee comme du betail en plein caniard sous un soleil de plomb alors que les policiers dejeunent tranquillement tous en rigolant sans se soucier des Birmans.
On ne désire pas ce qu'on ne connaît pas.
On écrit pour raconter, non pour prouver.
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Comme quoi la haine du clandestin, du sans papers, de l'immigre....n'est pas l'apanage de sarko
Michel / Thailande
tu est sur que c'est des Birmans ?
ce n'etait pas des detenus de droit commun ?
si c'est les rescapés du container de la mort,
le fourgon de police correspond pour eux a un car VIP,
tu as fais la remarque aux tamrouats ?
tu n'avais pas encore remarqué qu'il y en a pleins pleins qui travaillent dans l'hotelerie pour une poignée de baths ?
Comme quoi la haine du clandestin, du sans papers, de l'immigre....n'est pas l'apanage de sarko
les Thaïs et Birmans celà date de Naresuan et d'avant, rien a voir avec la politique, c'est visceral
les Thaïs et Birmans celà date de Naresuan et d'avant, rien a voir avec la politique, c'est visceral
tu est sur que c'est des Birmans ?
ce n'etait pas des detenus de droit commun ?
Ce sort ne semble pas réservé uniquement à ceux que tu cites ! J'ai eu l'occasion de voir à la frontière thaïlo-cambodgienne ces véhicules (genre grand pick-up) avec une cage. A l'intérieur hommes, femmes, enfants et leurs bagages. Entassés, comprimés à ne pas pouvoir s'assoir et attendant sous un soleil de plomb leur expulsion du territoire.
Ce sort ne semble pas réservé uniquement à ceux que tu cites ! J'ai eu l'occasion de voir à la frontière thaïlo-cambodgienne ces véhicules (genre grand pick-up) avec une cage. A l'intérieur hommes, femmes, enfants et leurs bagages. Entassés, comprimés à ne pas pouvoir s'assoir et attendant sous un soleil de plomb leur expulsion du territoire.
Comme quoi la haine du clandestin, du sans papers, de l'immigre....n'est pas l'apanage de sarko
faut arreter de dire n'importe quoi
c'est simpliste et gratuit, pas tres malin en somme
tu fais partie de ces gens qui doivent croire que l'apologie du racisme est ancre au sommet de l'etat
si tu voyageais un peu plus, tu pourrais te rendre compte que l'immigrationt choisie existe dans de nombreux pays
en commencant par la thailande, moi qui ai vecu et travaille, je peux te dire a quel point il est difficile d'immigrer a condition qu'un employeur fasse la demarche justifiee pour m'octroyer un permis de sejour/travail
la france ne fait que rejoindre certains pays qui pratiquent deja l'immigration selective depuis belles lurettes, les etats unis, le canada/quebec, l'australie, la suisse et j'en passe
si on devait etre aussi reducteurs alors tous les pays cites seraient racistes...
il est fini le temps de l'etat providence qui accueille a tout va
pour pouvoir accueillir a nouveau, il faudrait deja assainir notre economie...
faut arreter de dire n'importe quoi
c'est simpliste et gratuit, pas tres malin en somme
tu fais partie de ces gens qui doivent croire que l'apologie du racisme est ancre au sommet de l'etat
si tu voyageais un peu plus, tu pourrais te rendre compte que l'immigrationt choisie existe dans de nombreux pays
en commencant par la thailande, moi qui ai vecu et travaille, je peux te dire a quel point il est difficile d'immigrer a condition qu'un employeur fasse la demarche justifiee pour m'octroyer un permis de sejour/travail
la france ne fait que rejoindre certains pays qui pratiquent deja l'immigration selective depuis belles lurettes, les etats unis, le canada/quebec, l'australie, la suisse et j'en passe
si on devait etre aussi reducteurs alors tous les pays cites seraient racistes...
il est fini le temps de l'etat providence qui accueille a tout va
pour pouvoir accueillir a nouveau, il faudrait deja assainir notre economie...
Ca me fait bien rire car effectivement il n'y a pas d'immigrant francais venant en Asie...😉😉😉
Qui est europeen de souche en ayant obtenu la nationalité Thailandaise, Laotienne ou Cambodgienne... ??? (par exemple) (je sais qu'on va me tuer mais c'est vrais sur tous les expats qui sont sur place depuis 40 ans) (j'exagere bien sur...mais le problème reste)
Je trouve ca injuste....🙁🙁🙁
Qui est europeen de souche en ayant obtenu la nationalité Thailandaise, Laotienne ou Cambodgienne... ??? (par exemple) (je sais qu'on va me tuer mais c'est vrais sur tous les expats qui sont sur place depuis 40 ans) (j'exagere bien sur...mais le problème reste)
Je trouve ca injuste....🙁🙁🙁
mai pen rai krap
j'ecrit sur clavier américain désolé pour les accents...
J'ai aussi entendu parle d'un farang qui parlait la langue du roi... Mais je ne sais pas s'il a eu la nationalité (je ne crois pas...🙁🙁🙁)
Le protectionnisme est présent beaucoup plus qu'en France....😉😉😉
Mais il faut bien le prendre même si c'est rageant et frustrant je trouve...🙁🙁🙁
Le protectionnisme est présent beaucoup plus qu'en France....😉😉😉
Mais il faut bien le prendre même si c'est rageant et frustrant je trouve...🙁🙁🙁
mai pen rai krap
j'ecrit sur clavier américain désolé pour les accents...
tu est sur que c'est des Birmans ?
ce n'etait pas des detenus de droit commun ?
si c'est les rescapés du container de la mort,
le fourgon de police correspond pour eux a un car VIP,
tu as fais la remarque aux tamrouats ?
tu n'avais pas encore remarqué qu'il y en a pleins pleins qui travaillent dans l'hotelerie pour une poignée de baths ?
Pourquoi ne pas honnetement et une bonne fois pour toute resumer cette relation entre Birmans et Thais ainsi...........:
certaines categories de la population thailandaise (flics, patrons de l hotellerie, du batiment et de certains bars, etc........) meprisent les birmans qu'ils considerent comme de la vermine ou de la marchandise bon marche..........!
Il suffit d'ouvrir un peu les yeux et de ne pas se voiler la face! C est tout!
certaines categories de la population thailandaise (flics, patrons de l hotellerie, du batiment et de certains bars, etc........) meprisent les birmans qu'ils considerent comme de la vermine ou de la marchandise bon marche..........!
Il suffit d'ouvrir un peu les yeux et de ne pas se voiler la face! C est tout!
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
TOLSTOI
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Comme quoi la haine du clandestin, du sans papers, de l'immigre....n'est pas l'apanage de sarko
faut arreter de dire n'importe quoi
c'est simpliste et gratuit, pas tres malin en somme
tu fais partie de ces gens qui doivent croire que l'apologie du racisme est ancre au sommet de l'etat
si tu voyageais un peu plus, tu pourrais te rendre compte que l'immigrationt choisie existe dans de nombreux pays
en commencant par la thailande, moi qui ai vecu et travaille, je peux te dire a quel point il est difficile d'immigrer a condition qu'un employeur fasse la demarche justifiee pour m'octroyer un permis de sejour/travail
la france ne fait que rejoindre certains pays qui pratiquent deja l'immigration selective depuis belles lurettes, les etats unis, le canada/quebec, l'australie, la suisse et j'en passe
si on devait etre aussi reducteurs alors tous les pays cites seraient racistes...
il est fini le temps de l'etat providence qui accueille a tout va
pour pouvoir accueillir a nouveau, il faudrait deja assainir notre economie... 🙂 Je pense avoir certainement avoir autant voyage que toi Je vis en Thailande, en tant que retraite depuis qques annees avec un Visa O (le Visa famille m'etant refuse tous les ans ) et devant fournir la preuve des 800 000 Bth.Mais ce n'est pas parceque les Thais sont racistes envers tous les etrangers (Thai rak Thai et personne d'autre, sauf le pognon ) que je dois approuver Je sais que sarko, en France, n'est pas le seul dans l'hexagone a etre raciste (fils d'immigre...plus royaliste que le roi ) mais il s'est servi de cela pour se faire elire...sinon..qui aurait vote pour lui ? C'est une recette electorale qui a cours presque partout..au Vatican, en Chine
faut arreter de dire n'importe quoi
c'est simpliste et gratuit, pas tres malin en somme
tu fais partie de ces gens qui doivent croire que l'apologie du racisme est ancre au sommet de l'etat
si tu voyageais un peu plus, tu pourrais te rendre compte que l'immigrationt choisie existe dans de nombreux pays
en commencant par la thailande, moi qui ai vecu et travaille, je peux te dire a quel point il est difficile d'immigrer a condition qu'un employeur fasse la demarche justifiee pour m'octroyer un permis de sejour/travail
la france ne fait que rejoindre certains pays qui pratiquent deja l'immigration selective depuis belles lurettes, les etats unis, le canada/quebec, l'australie, la suisse et j'en passe
si on devait etre aussi reducteurs alors tous les pays cites seraient racistes...
il est fini le temps de l'etat providence qui accueille a tout va
pour pouvoir accueillir a nouveau, il faudrait deja assainir notre economie... 🙂 Je pense avoir certainement avoir autant voyage que toi Je vis en Thailande, en tant que retraite depuis qques annees avec un Visa O (le Visa famille m'etant refuse tous les ans ) et devant fournir la preuve des 800 000 Bth.Mais ce n'est pas parceque les Thais sont racistes envers tous les etrangers (Thai rak Thai et personne d'autre, sauf le pognon ) que je dois approuver Je sais que sarko, en France, n'est pas le seul dans l'hexagone a etre raciste (fils d'immigre...plus royaliste que le roi ) mais il s'est servi de cela pour se faire elire...sinon..qui aurait vote pour lui ? C'est une recette electorale qui a cours presque partout..au Vatican, en Chine
Michel / Thailande
Il y a 2 choses qui me fatiguent:
1. les gens quiutilisent le mot "racisme' a tord et a travers 2. les anti-sarko primaires qui repetent docilement les slogans travailles dans les bureaux de la rue de Solferino
1. les gens quiutilisent le mot "racisme' a tord et a travers 2. les anti-sarko primaires qui repetent docilement les slogans travailles dans les bureaux de la rue de Solferino
Pourquoi ne pas honnetement et une bonne fois pour toute resumer cette relation entre Birmans et Thais ainsi...........:
poste frontiere de Mai Saï la gentille petite bête se trouve du côté Thaï tournée vers la Birmanie
comme tu dis, çà resume

poste frontiere de Mai Saï la gentille petite bête se trouve du côté Thaï tournée vers la Birmanie
comme tu dis, çà resume

Comme quoi la haine du clandestin, du sans papers, de l'immigre....n'est pas l'apanage de sarko
la photo que tu vois ci dessous a été prise (en 2007) au poste frontiere a Kaw Thaug, Birmanie de l'autre coté de Ranong, Thaïlande (j'ai faillit me faire confisqué l'appareil, çà m'a couté qq baths au douanier, main a la main)
la file d'attente c'est les chauffeurs de touk touk (birmans) qui attendent leurs compatriotes rentrant de Thaïlande, tu sais pourquoi il portent pratiquement tous un casque ? non ? tu vois le gars en blanc ? c'est le "régulateur" qui prend un bachich au passage, tous ceux qui sont pas d'accord, s'en prennent plein la figure avec la baguette qu'il tient a la main, et crois moi pas du genre caresses, et la c'est un probleme Birman/Birman autre pays autres moeurs

la photo que tu vois ci dessous a été prise (en 2007) au poste frontiere a Kaw Thaug, Birmanie de l'autre coté de Ranong, Thaïlande (j'ai faillit me faire confisqué l'appareil, çà m'a couté qq baths au douanier, main a la main)
la file d'attente c'est les chauffeurs de touk touk (birmans) qui attendent leurs compatriotes rentrant de Thaïlande, tu sais pourquoi il portent pratiquement tous un casque ? non ? tu vois le gars en blanc ? c'est le "régulateur" qui prend un bachich au passage, tous ceux qui sont pas d'accord, s'en prennent plein la figure avec la baguette qu'il tient a la main, et crois moi pas du genre caresses, et la c'est un probleme Birman/Birman autre pays autres moeurs

J'ai à ce sujet une anecdote très intéressante...
Au sommet d'une colline surplombant les trois pays (Thaîlande/Birmanie/Laos), un mahout nous fît la démonstration, à coup de rafales de mitraillette imaginaire, de l'expression d' "amitié" Thaîlando-Birmane, et dans son immense générosité arrosa le Laos...
Au sommet d'une colline surplombant les trois pays (Thaîlande/Birmanie/Laos), un mahout nous fît la démonstration, à coup de rafales de mitraillette imaginaire, de l'expression d' "amitié" Thaîlando-Birmane, et dans son immense générosité arrosa le Laos...
Prendre le temps qu'il faut pour le perdre...
et dans son immense générosité arrosa le Laos...
que les Issan appele "petits freres"
en ce qui me concerne pour conclure : il faut mettre de coté notre vision occidentale et, vivre le pays et sa culture avant d'ecrire " témoin d'une scène inhumaine"
que les Issan appele "petits freres"
en ce qui me concerne pour conclure : il faut mettre de coté notre vision occidentale et, vivre le pays et sa culture avant d'ecrire " témoin d'une scène inhumaine"
Sachant qu'un Birman en Thailande vaut environ le 1000e d'un farang Backpacker qui claque royalement 100 Bt/jour, et qu'un farang qui claque des millions ne vaut guere plus que la moitie d'un pet de water buffalo constipe, je vous laisse calculer la valeur du Birman en pet dudit Buffalo....
Bref, a l'Est rien de nouveau....
Rien!
poste frontiere de Mai Saï
la gentille petite bête se trouve du côté Thaï tournée vers la Birmanie
comme tu dis, çà resume

Contrairement à une bonne partie de l'Europe qui a su entreprendre une réconciliation forte après s'être déchirée durant des siècles, tous ces pays d'Extrême-Orient à part faire des associations entre eux pour le commerce demeurent assez constipés dans l'entente cordiale...
Est-ce une amertume coriace ou une incapacité à l'analyse du temps qui les distingue ? 😐
comme tu dis, çà resume

Contrairement à une bonne partie de l'Europe qui a su entreprendre une réconciliation forte après s'être déchirée durant des siècles, tous ces pays d'Extrême-Orient à part faire des associations entre eux pour le commerce demeurent assez constipés dans l'entente cordiale...
Est-ce une amertume coriace ou une incapacité à l'analyse du temps qui les distingue ? 😐
Ca me fait penser a mon voyage en Turquie.....Venant de Bulgarie en voiture, a la frontiere Turc, il y avais des creux remplis d'eaux, et on n'etais obligé de rouler dedans pour purifier les roues de la voiture.....Ca date de dix ans aussi.....
La ou le vent nous emporteras
c est la meme chose au Moyen ORIENT et dans le golfe :
Va voir les camps de travailleurs du batiment en Arabie saoudite : egyptiens, pakistanais, bengladeshis, phillipins entasses sur lits superposes dans des shelters non climatises chauffes a blanc toute la journee que les gars retrouvent le soir apres une rude journee de labeur. et si tu l ouvres un peu fort, expulsion du pays sans reglement du salaire comme pour les travailleurs du batiment a Dubai qui s etaient revoltes il y a quelques mois .
dans le plus ...luxueux :
les phillipins, jamaicains, honduriens employes sur les bateaux de croisiere de luxe . descendez a fond de cale, il y a plein de cabines de 4, sans hublot, eclairage faiblard, beaucoup sans AC. c est leur seul endroit pour vivre car l acces des ponts, coursives des cabines passagers leur sont quasiment strictement interdits sans raison justifiee ( nettoyage de chambres, reparation}. en general deux y dorment, pendant que les autres assurent l autre equipe .
pendant ce temps la la croisiere s amuse !!! en general on peut visiter la passerelle avec l accord du capiaine mais jamais le fond de cale .
Va voir les camps de travailleurs du batiment en Arabie saoudite : egyptiens, pakistanais, bengladeshis, phillipins entasses sur lits superposes dans des shelters non climatises chauffes a blanc toute la journee que les gars retrouvent le soir apres une rude journee de labeur. et si tu l ouvres un peu fort, expulsion du pays sans reglement du salaire comme pour les travailleurs du batiment a Dubai qui s etaient revoltes il y a quelques mois .
dans le plus ...luxueux :
les phillipins, jamaicains, honduriens employes sur les bateaux de croisiere de luxe . descendez a fond de cale, il y a plein de cabines de 4, sans hublot, eclairage faiblard, beaucoup sans AC. c est leur seul endroit pour vivre car l acces des ponts, coursives des cabines passagers leur sont quasiment strictement interdits sans raison justifiee ( nettoyage de chambres, reparation}. en general deux y dorment, pendant que les autres assurent l autre equipe .
pendant ce temps la la croisiere s amuse !!! en general on peut visiter la passerelle avec l accord du capiaine mais jamais le fond de cale .
Qui est europeen de souche en ayant obtenu la nationalité Thailandaise,
j'aurais pu, mais 300 000bt ma refroidit, 🤪🤪🤪
salut Thuan j'ai rencontré un Belge en visitant le Preah vihear en Isan (frontière thai-cambo)ancien instructeur démineur dans la région pendant 15 ans; marié avec une thai et possédant la nationalite thai avec ID card; il me disait que ce n'était jamais "gagné"; par exemple à l'entrée du site on voulait lui faire payer le prix falang malgré sa carte d'identité thai (+ le reste un peu long à expliquer; les banques, les contrats, l'immobilier..etc)
j'aurais pu, mais 300 000bt ma refroidit, 🤪🤪🤪
salut Thuan j'ai rencontré un Belge en visitant le Preah vihear en Isan (frontière thai-cambo)ancien instructeur démineur dans la région pendant 15 ans; marié avec une thai et possédant la nationalite thai avec ID card; il me disait que ce n'était jamais "gagné"; par exemple à l'entrée du site on voulait lui faire payer le prix falang malgré sa carte d'identité thai (+ le reste un peu long à expliquer; les banques, les contrats, l'immobilier..etc)
- J'ai des envies de voyage."L'Océanie, Bora-Bora, les Vahinés, tu connais?"
- "Pourquoi, tu veux m'emmener?"
- "On n'emmène pas des saucisses quand on va à Francfort.."
- t'aurais pu dire;"une rose quand on va sur la Loire, question de terme.."
Si tu savais tout ce qui se passe en Côte d'Ivoire.....et en Afrique en général....c'est la routine...
Thierry
sur les bateaux de croisiere de luxe .
descendez a fond de cale, il y a plein de cabines de 4, sans hublot, eclairage faiblard, beaucoup sans AC.
c est leur seul endroit pour vivre car l acces des ponts, coursives des cabines passagers leur sont quasiment
strictement interdits sans raison justifiee ( nettoyage de chambres, reparation}.
en general deux y dorment, pendant que les autres assurent l autre equipe .
pendant ce temps la la croisiere s amuse !!! en general on peut visiter la passerelle avec l accord du capiaine mais jamais le fond de cale .
Ouais ouais....D'ailleurs y a pas mal de thais qui bosse pour les croisieres costa......
pendant ce temps la la croisiere s amuse !!! en general on peut visiter la passerelle avec l accord du capiaine mais jamais le fond de cale .
Ouais ouais....D'ailleurs y a pas mal de thais qui bosse pour les croisieres costa......
La ou le vent nous emporteras
Salut a tous,
Ce matin, en rentrant de ma petite sortie a velo, j apercois de loin un vehicule de la police genre panier a salade, le vehicule est arreter en bord de route juste en face d un restaurant en pleine campagne. Passant a coter, je jette un coup d oeil dans le camion cage et horrifier j apercois pleins de pauvres Birmans torse nus, entassee comme du betail en plein caniard sous un soleil de plomb alors que les policiers dejeunent tranquillement tous en rigolant sans se soucier des Birmans.--
Sois le bienvenu en Asie, mon ami... Tu n'es pas au bout de tes surprises!!! Actuellement, on voit bcp d'images contre la flamme olympique, mais si tu as le tps, regarde ds YOUTUBE en tapant HMONG et tu verras bien ce que cela parle. Cela s'est passé au pays du MILLION D'ELEPHANTS (LAOS).
Quelques mots prononcés ont parfois un effet dynamique, mais, à d'autres instants, c'est le silence qui laisse une empreinte plein de sens.
(Dalai Lama)
Salut a tous,
Ce matin, en rentrant de ma petite sortie a velo, j apercois de loin un vehicule de la police genre panier a salade, le vehicule est arreter en bord de route juste en face d un restaurant en pleine campagne. Passant a coter, je jette un coup d oeil dans le camion cage et horrifier j apercois pleins de pauvres Birmans torse nus, entassee comme du betail en plein caniard sous un soleil de plomb alors que les policiers dejeunent tranquillement tous en rigolant sans se soucier des Birmans.--
Sois le bienvenu en Asie, mon ami... Tu n'es pas au bout de tes surprises!!! Actuellement, on voit bcp d'images contre la flamme olympique, mais si tu as le tps, regarde ds YOUTUBE en tapant HMONG et tu verras bien ce que cela parle. Cela s'est passé au pays du MILLION D'ELEPHANTS (LAOS).
Salut Gengis et Lumpini,
En effet tu as raison Gengis je ne peux pas rester insensible à ton message dont j'avais poster à ce sujet des nouvelles triste il y a + ou - 1 an, et malheureusement ce n'est pas près d'en finir voici plus bas le texte d'une connaissance très bien placer pour en parler, le message çi dessous date de ce mois d'avril .
Ps : Désolé à tous de casser l'ambiance mais ce sont des choses à lire et à savoir .
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Comment allez-vous? Voici un texte peu encourageant sur la situation des Hmongs. Leur extermination totale est programmée pour la fin de ce mois. Tous les yeux sont rivés sur le Tibet et sur Ingrid Betancourt (normal vu que sa soeur est mariée au responsable des amériques au quai d'Orsay) et ce petit pays qui est le Laos n'intéresse personne même pas Rama Yade. J'ai alerté les personnalités politiques de Blois sans grand succès pour l'instant. Cela va faire comme tous les génocides qui ne sont pas assez médiatiques. Cordialement
> Voici un article que je viens de recevoir aujourd'hui.Cette fois-ci, > c'est le génocide des Hmong restant dans la jungle, simplement. > > Peut-on rester en spectateur? Contactez vos élus pour prendre des > actions pour éviter le pire à venir. > __ > Please, feel free to reach your representative in your country, and > take action to prevent such a thing to happen. We cannot accept this > killing because the people in the jungle are harmless. They are so > miserable. > > After all, we are all human beings. > > I am so sad today after receiving this article. > > > Kao-Ly Yang, Ph.D. Anthropology > Expert in Hmong studies > Hmong History Timeline: > http://www.geocities.com/kaoly_y/HistoireCultureLanguage/HistoryTimeli > neHmong.html > > __ > http://presszoom.com:80/story_144108.html > > The Lao Peoples Democractic Republic (LPDR) regime, in cooperation > with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV), have issued a new order > and drafted a comprehensive strategy to mount a major military > offensive to exterminate thousands of Hmong in hiding in the jungles > and mountains of Laos, including thousands of unarmed women and > children. > > (PressZoom) - The Lao Peoples Democractic Republic ( LPDR ) regime, > in cooperation with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam ( SRV ), has > issued a new order and drafted a comprehensive strategy to mount a > major military offensive to exterminate thousands of Hmong in hiding > in the jungles and mountains of Laos. The offensive will involve > special battalions of troops and special operations commandos from > Vietnam who are now being deployed to the closed military zones of > operation. The reported object is to eliminate and exterminate some > 15, 000 Lao Hmong in hiding in key areas of Laos by the end of April > 2008. Hmong in Laos are bracing for these new anticipated attacks by > Laos and Vietnam which are expected to be massive and ruthless. > > "Reliable sources from inside Laos have stated that on March 23, > 2008, the LPDR regime under the direction of President Choummaly > Sayasone and Prime Minister Bouasone Bouphavanh as well as Deputy > Prime Minister and Defense Minister Douangchay Phichit, who is also a > Member of the Politburo and Major General Asang Laoly ordered the > implementation of a comprehensive and deadly plan to intensify and > expand military operations to attack and kill thousands of dissident > unarmed Hmong civilians and opposition members in-hiding by the end > of April 2008, " stated Philip Smith, Executive Director of the Center > for Public Policy Analysis in Washington, D.C. "These new and ominous > military actions, in cooperation with senior generals in Vietnam's > Ministry of Defense, against unarmed civilians and the continued use > of food as a weapon to kill thousands of unarmed Lao-Hmong people > constitutes a clear violations of international law and rises to the > level of war crimes and crimes against humanity to which these > individual military leaders in Laos and Vietnam will need to be held > accountable and brought to trial, especially General Douangchay > Phichit, " Smith concluded. > http://www.asiapacific.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA260042004? > open&of=ENG-LAO > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/world/asia/17laos.html > > Amnesty International has issued numerous reports about war crimes in > Laos, including a March 2007 report about the Lao military's attacks > and mass starvation Hmong civilians and dissident and opposition > groups. Independent humanitarian and human rights organizations as > well as journalists including Doctors Without Borders ( MSF ), the > New York Times, Time magazine ( Asia-Edition ), Le Monde, Al Jazeera > and others have documented the attacks by the Lao military on Laotian > and Hmong civilians, dissident and opposition groups in Laos. > http://www.english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3901AC50-813C-409F-8F57- > BEDF4930C28D.htm > http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA26/003/2007 > > "The Lao Peoples Army ( LPA ) is reportedly mobilizing significant > battalions of fresh combat troops in key areas of Laos, at the > direction and command of PAVN units from Vietnam, and with the > support of vintage, Soviet built MI-8 helicopter gunships equipped > with rocket launchers and machine guns to launch ethnic cleansing > operations and military attacks against thousands of unarmed Lao > Hmong civilians at Phou Da Phao, Phou Bia Mountain area and > elsewhere, " Smith stated. "Two MI-8 helicopter gunships were > reportedly deployed again by the Lao military for several weeks to > attack and kill the Lao and Hmong people seeking refuge and sanctuary > in the Phou Da Phao area, " Smith continued. > > "We condemn this new military campaign, and these cruel attacks, > atrocities and war crimes by the Lao military and Vietnam on unarmed > Hmong in Laos; we urge the international community to provide > emergency intervention to seek to draw attention to this crisis and > to stop this new round of upcoming military attacks which we > understand will me massive in terms of the troop levels and the > intervention of Vietnam to assist the Lao regime's efforts to wipe > out and exterminate some 15, 000 Hmong civilians in Laos, " stated > Vaughn Vang, Executive Director of the Lao Human Rights > Council.http://www.presszoom.com/print_story_143358.html > > Mr. Tong Pao Yang and Mr. Nou Mang Chang issued the following > statement and joint appeal from inside Laos to the international > community: > > "It is important to note, that the LPDR regime has reportedly > suspended Colonel Kham Xeng Yang, a communist officer in the Lao > Peoples Army ( LPA ) because he failed to complete the brutal order > issued by the Lao Minister of Defense Lao Deputy Prime Minister & > Defense Minister Douangchay Phichit, who is also Member of the > Politburo, to kill or capture all Lao-Hmong civilians and dissident > Hmong groups in-hiding in key areas inside Laos. The Lao regime is > using Hmong soldiers to kill and commit war crimes against their > fellow Hmong people, which they are sometimes not capable of doing. > These are terrible crimes against humanity being committed by the > military of Laos and Vietnam now against thousands of unarmed Hmong > civilians that are surrounded and under attack. " > > "Most importantly, however, on behalf of many thousands of Hmong > groups now hiding from ongoing LPDR military attacks in Laos, we are > appealing to the United States, U.S., U.S. Congress, United Nation, > European Unions, ASEAN and the international community, to demand the > Lao PDR regime to stop its current military offensive and ongoing > attack helicopter and air force bombing. Major military units, and > fresh battalions of troops, of the Lao military and Socialist > Vietnam are now mobilizing for a new, upcoming planned ground > offensive which seeks to massacre all Hmong in hiding groups which > our information indicates will likely begin in early April of this > year. We are innocent civilians, women and children and we do not > want to be killed or captured by the Lao PDR government troops. All > unarmed Hmong civilians, especially women and children have the right > to life, liberty and the rights for a life free from persecution, > torture and brutal human rights abuses currently be directed against > our Lao and Hmong people by the communist regime of Laos and Vietnam." > > Tong Pao Yang and Nou Mang Chang continued their statement from > inside Laos and joint appeal to the international community: > > "Our information and field intelligence sources indicate that they > have appointed Colonel Boa SaVan as one of the key commanders of the > Lao PDR government to carry out this deadly operation which includes > plans to continue to encircle, trap, kill and starve to death > thousands of Laotian and Hmong civilians. The Lao PDR government has > given the order to Colonel Boa SaVan's troops to slaughter or capture > all remaining Hmong groups in hiding by the end of April 2008. > Civilians will not be spared. A food is being used as a weapon to > kill and starve our people who only seek to live in peace and > freedom." > > Mr. Tong Pao Yang and Mr. Nou Mang Chang concluded: > > "The LPDR's Colonel Boa SaVan has already worked to order new air > attacks and the deployment of ground troops in Xieng Khouang Province > to prepare for new attacks on Lao-Hmong groups in Phou Da Phao, Phou > Bia and in Vang Vieng province. His military trucks have begun > carrying his troops at night to the locations where Hmong groups in > hiding are located and are standing by to launch fresh military > attacks against these innocent Hmong groups in hiding in Vang Vieng > Province. Large numbers of troops from Vietnam are also being > deployed now to attack and kill our people." > > In response to these developments, Vaughn Vang, Director, of the Lao > Human Rights Council made the following four point statement: > > "We the Lao Human Rights Council propose the following four points > to end the genocide, ethnic cleansing war, human rights violation, > and mass starvation directed against some 15, 000 Lao-Hmong civilians > now hiding from attack and persecution in key jungle and mountain > areas in Laos: > > We urgently appeal to the United States, United Nations, the > world community, European Union, ASEAN and international human rights > and humanitarian organizations, to investigate and stop the communist > Laos government's ethnic cleansing war, genocide, oppression and > human rights violations, and campaign of mass starvation directed > against dissident Lao and Hmong civilians and religious and minority > opposition groups; and to press the LPDR regime to immediately end > all military attacks from ground and air troops against the > innocent, unarmed Hmong civilians, women, and children in-hiding in > the jungle of Laos. > > We urgently appeal to the United States, United Nations High > Commission for Human Rights and the international community, > International Human Rights Commission ( independent commission ) and > other international human rights organizations to investigate and > stop the ethnic cleansing war, human rights violation, and genocide, > against the Lao-Hmong in-hiding in the jungle of Laos; > > We urgently appeal to the United States, United Nations, the > International Red Cross and international relief agencies to send > food, and medical supplies, and to provide other basic human needs to > the 15, 000 Hmong who are being attacked daily and facing mass > starvation, ethnic cleansing war and human rights violations against > them in the jungle of Laos; > > Finally, we urgently appeal to the United States, United > Nation, and ASEAN Nations to bring true peace, democracy, human > rights, stability and national reconciliation to Laos and the Lao- > Hmong dissident and opposition groups who seek an open and free > society." > > Vaughn Vang continued : "Some 15, 000 Hmong civilians, women and > children, trapped and surrounded by Lao and Vietnamese military units > that seek to kill them are now urgently appealing to the United > States, U.S. Congress, United Nations, and the international > community to intervene in an emergency manner to save their lives. > Without emergency intervention, the Hmong in-hiding in the jungle of > Laos will continue to be starved to death, killed and subjected to > atrocities, torture and war crimes by the Lao PDR government regimes > by the end of April 2008." > > "This cry for help continues to come from the mountains and jungles > of Laos due to the LPDR regime and Vietnam's continued brutal > persecution and killing of freedom-loving Laotian and Hmong people. > Your immediately attention to the desperate lives of these innocent, > unarmed Hmong civilians, women, and children in-hiding is demanded > and necessary to give them the life, liberty and human rights they > all, as human beings, deserve, " Vaughn Vang, said in conclusion. > > Contact: Ms. Anna Jones > > Center for Public Policy Analysis > 2020 Pennsylvania Ave., NW > No. #212 > Washington, D.C. USA 20006 > > Tele. ( 202 )543-1444 > Fax ( 202 )207-9871 > > info@centerforpublicpolicyanalysis.org
Salut Gengis et Lumpini,
En effet tu as raison Gengis je ne peux pas rester insensible à ton message dont j'avais poster à ce sujet des nouvelles triste il y a + ou - 1 an, et malheureusement ce n'est pas près d'en finir voici plus bas le texte d'une connaissance très bien placer pour en parler, le message çi dessous date de ce mois d'avril .
Ps : Désolé à tous de casser l'ambiance mais ce sont des choses à lire et à savoir .
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Comment allez-vous? Voici un texte peu encourageant sur la situation des Hmongs. Leur extermination totale est programmée pour la fin de ce mois. Tous les yeux sont rivés sur le Tibet et sur Ingrid Betancourt (normal vu que sa soeur est mariée au responsable des amériques au quai d'Orsay) et ce petit pays qui est le Laos n'intéresse personne même pas Rama Yade. J'ai alerté les personnalités politiques de Blois sans grand succès pour l'instant. Cela va faire comme tous les génocides qui ne sont pas assez médiatiques. Cordialement
> Voici un article que je viens de recevoir aujourd'hui.Cette fois-ci, > c'est le génocide des Hmong restant dans la jungle, simplement. > > Peut-on rester en spectateur? Contactez vos élus pour prendre des > actions pour éviter le pire à venir. > __ > Please, feel free to reach your representative in your country, and > take action to prevent such a thing to happen. We cannot accept this > killing because the people in the jungle are harmless. They are so > miserable. > > After all, we are all human beings. > > I am so sad today after receiving this article. > > > Kao-Ly Yang, Ph.D. Anthropology > Expert in Hmong studies > Hmong History Timeline: > http://www.geocities.com/kaoly_y/HistoireCultureLanguage/HistoryTimeli > neHmong.html > > __ > http://presszoom.com:80/story_144108.html > > The Lao Peoples Democractic Republic (LPDR) regime, in cooperation > with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV), have issued a new order > and drafted a comprehensive strategy to mount a major military > offensive to exterminate thousands of Hmong in hiding in the jungles > and mountains of Laos, including thousands of unarmed women and > children. > > (PressZoom) - The Lao Peoples Democractic Republic ( LPDR ) regime, > in cooperation with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam ( SRV ), has > issued a new order and drafted a comprehensive strategy to mount a > major military offensive to exterminate thousands of Hmong in hiding > in the jungles and mountains of Laos. The offensive will involve > special battalions of troops and special operations commandos from > Vietnam who are now being deployed to the closed military zones of > operation. The reported object is to eliminate and exterminate some > 15, 000 Lao Hmong in hiding in key areas of Laos by the end of April > 2008. Hmong in Laos are bracing for these new anticipated attacks by > Laos and Vietnam which are expected to be massive and ruthless. > > "Reliable sources from inside Laos have stated that on March 23, > 2008, the LPDR regime under the direction of President Choummaly > Sayasone and Prime Minister Bouasone Bouphavanh as well as Deputy > Prime Minister and Defense Minister Douangchay Phichit, who is also a > Member of the Politburo and Major General Asang Laoly ordered the > implementation of a comprehensive and deadly plan to intensify and > expand military operations to attack and kill thousands of dissident > unarmed Hmong civilians and opposition members in-hiding by the end > of April 2008, " stated Philip Smith, Executive Director of the Center > for Public Policy Analysis in Washington, D.C. "These new and ominous > military actions, in cooperation with senior generals in Vietnam's > Ministry of Defense, against unarmed civilians and the continued use > of food as a weapon to kill thousands of unarmed Lao-Hmong people > constitutes a clear violations of international law and rises to the > level of war crimes and crimes against humanity to which these > individual military leaders in Laos and Vietnam will need to be held > accountable and brought to trial, especially General Douangchay > Phichit, " Smith concluded. > http://www.asiapacific.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA260042004? > open&of=ENG-LAO > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/world/asia/17laos.html > > Amnesty International has issued numerous reports about war crimes in > Laos, including a March 2007 report about the Lao military's attacks > and mass starvation Hmong civilians and dissident and opposition > groups. Independent humanitarian and human rights organizations as > well as journalists including Doctors Without Borders ( MSF ), the > New York Times, Time magazine ( Asia-Edition ), Le Monde, Al Jazeera > and others have documented the attacks by the Lao military on Laotian > and Hmong civilians, dissident and opposition groups in Laos. > http://www.english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3901AC50-813C-409F-8F57- > BEDF4930C28D.htm > http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA26/003/2007 > > "The Lao Peoples Army ( LPA ) is reportedly mobilizing significant > battalions of fresh combat troops in key areas of Laos, at the > direction and command of PAVN units from Vietnam, and with the > support of vintage, Soviet built MI-8 helicopter gunships equipped > with rocket launchers and machine guns to launch ethnic cleansing > operations and military attacks against thousands of unarmed Lao > Hmong civilians at Phou Da Phao, Phou Bia Mountain area and > elsewhere, " Smith stated. "Two MI-8 helicopter gunships were > reportedly deployed again by the Lao military for several weeks to > attack and kill the Lao and Hmong people seeking refuge and sanctuary > in the Phou Da Phao area, " Smith continued. > > "We condemn this new military campaign, and these cruel attacks, > atrocities and war crimes by the Lao military and Vietnam on unarmed > Hmong in Laos; we urge the international community to provide > emergency intervention to seek to draw attention to this crisis and > to stop this new round of upcoming military attacks which we > understand will me massive in terms of the troop levels and the > intervention of Vietnam to assist the Lao regime's efforts to wipe > out and exterminate some 15, 000 Hmong civilians in Laos, " stated > Vaughn Vang, Executive Director of the Lao Human Rights > Council.http://www.presszoom.com/print_story_143358.html > > Mr. Tong Pao Yang and Mr. Nou Mang Chang issued the following > statement and joint appeal from inside Laos to the international > community: > > "It is important to note, that the LPDR regime has reportedly > suspended Colonel Kham Xeng Yang, a communist officer in the Lao > Peoples Army ( LPA ) because he failed to complete the brutal order > issued by the Lao Minister of Defense Lao Deputy Prime Minister & > Defense Minister Douangchay Phichit, who is also Member of the > Politburo, to kill or capture all Lao-Hmong civilians and dissident > Hmong groups in-hiding in key areas inside Laos. The Lao regime is > using Hmong soldiers to kill and commit war crimes against their > fellow Hmong people, which they are sometimes not capable of doing. > These are terrible crimes against humanity being committed by the > military of Laos and Vietnam now against thousands of unarmed Hmong > civilians that are surrounded and under attack. " > > "Most importantly, however, on behalf of many thousands of Hmong > groups now hiding from ongoing LPDR military attacks in Laos, we are > appealing to the United States, U.S., U.S. Congress, United Nation, > European Unions, ASEAN and the international community, to demand the > Lao PDR regime to stop its current military offensive and ongoing > attack helicopter and air force bombing. Major military units, and > fresh battalions of troops, of the Lao military and Socialist > Vietnam are now mobilizing for a new, upcoming planned ground > offensive which seeks to massacre all Hmong in hiding groups which > our information indicates will likely begin in early April of this > year. We are innocent civilians, women and children and we do not > want to be killed or captured by the Lao PDR government troops. All > unarmed Hmong civilians, especially women and children have the right > to life, liberty and the rights for a life free from persecution, > torture and brutal human rights abuses currently be directed against > our Lao and Hmong people by the communist regime of Laos and Vietnam." > > Tong Pao Yang and Nou Mang Chang continued their statement from > inside Laos and joint appeal to the international community: > > "Our information and field intelligence sources indicate that they > have appointed Colonel Boa SaVan as one of the key commanders of the > Lao PDR government to carry out this deadly operation which includes > plans to continue to encircle, trap, kill and starve to death > thousands of Laotian and Hmong civilians. The Lao PDR government has > given the order to Colonel Boa SaVan's troops to slaughter or capture > all remaining Hmong groups in hiding by the end of April 2008. > Civilians will not be spared. A food is being used as a weapon to > kill and starve our people who only seek to live in peace and > freedom." > > Mr. Tong Pao Yang and Mr. Nou Mang Chang concluded: > > "The LPDR's Colonel Boa SaVan has already worked to order new air > attacks and the deployment of ground troops in Xieng Khouang Province > to prepare for new attacks on Lao-Hmong groups in Phou Da Phao, Phou > Bia and in Vang Vieng province. His military trucks have begun > carrying his troops at night to the locations where Hmong groups in > hiding are located and are standing by to launch fresh military > attacks against these innocent Hmong groups in hiding in Vang Vieng > Province. Large numbers of troops from Vietnam are also being > deployed now to attack and kill our people." > > In response to these developments, Vaughn Vang, Director, of the Lao > Human Rights Council made the following four point statement: > > "We the Lao Human Rights Council propose the following four points > to end the genocide, ethnic cleansing war, human rights violation, > and mass starvation directed against some 15, 000 Lao-Hmong civilians > now hiding from attack and persecution in key jungle and mountain > areas in Laos: > > We urgently appeal to the United States, United Nations, the > world community, European Union, ASEAN and international human rights > and humanitarian organizations, to investigate and stop the communist > Laos government's ethnic cleansing war, genocide, oppression and > human rights violations, and campaign of mass starvation directed > against dissident Lao and Hmong civilians and religious and minority > opposition groups; and to press the LPDR regime to immediately end > all military attacks from ground and air troops against the > innocent, unarmed Hmong civilians, women, and children in-hiding in > the jungle of Laos. > > We urgently appeal to the United States, United Nations High > Commission for Human Rights and the international community, > International Human Rights Commission ( independent commission ) and > other international human rights organizations to investigate and > stop the ethnic cleansing war, human rights violation, and genocide, > against the Lao-Hmong in-hiding in the jungle of Laos; > > We urgently appeal to the United States, United Nations, the > International Red Cross and international relief agencies to send > food, and medical supplies, and to provide other basic human needs to > the 15, 000 Hmong who are being attacked daily and facing mass > starvation, ethnic cleansing war and human rights violations against > them in the jungle of Laos; > > Finally, we urgently appeal to the United States, United > Nation, and ASEAN Nations to bring true peace, democracy, human > rights, stability and national reconciliation to Laos and the Lao- > Hmong dissident and opposition groups who seek an open and free > society." > > Vaughn Vang continued : "Some 15, 000 Hmong civilians, women and > children, trapped and surrounded by Lao and Vietnamese military units > that seek to kill them are now urgently appealing to the United > States, U.S. Congress, United Nations, and the international > community to intervene in an emergency manner to save their lives. > Without emergency intervention, the Hmong in-hiding in the jungle of > Laos will continue to be starved to death, killed and subjected to > atrocities, torture and war crimes by the Lao PDR government regimes > by the end of April 2008." > > "This cry for help continues to come from the mountains and jungles > of Laos due to the LPDR regime and Vietnam's continued brutal > persecution and killing of freedom-loving Laotian and Hmong people. > Your immediately attention to the desperate lives of these innocent, > unarmed Hmong civilians, women, and children in-hiding is demanded > and necessary to give them the life, liberty and human rights they > all, as human beings, deserve, " Vaughn Vang, said in conclusion. > > Contact: Ms. Anna Jones > > Center for Public Policy Analysis > 2020 Pennsylvania Ave., NW > No. #212 > Washington, D.C. USA 20006 > > Tele. ( 202 )543-1444 > Fax ( 202 )207-9871 > > info@centerforpublicpolicyanalysis.org
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
sur que c t des birmans?
dans cette chaleur ca doit pas etre drole
il y a ceux qui rêvent de partir et ceux qui partent!
concernant ton 2. je suis pas sûr que les personnes répètent docilement les slogans de la rue de solférino, je les vois + inquiet des actions de leur président
son ami hortefeux veut réhabiliter vichy, je te rappelle que cette république n'est pas reconnu constitutionnellement...
tu vis où ?
tu me fais penser aux "avec" portugais
vale et bonne continuaton au pays du samedi soir
A Ayutthaya les policiers ils s'amusaient a tabasser un mendiant avec leur matraque et tous le monde rigolé autour🏴☠️
world is your
tu me fais penser aux "avec" portugais
en général, j'aime bien comprendre ce que je lis, mais là je suis resté coi ! explications possible ? merci
quand à la "rue de solférino", elle ne vaut pas mieux que la "rue de la boétie " penseur politique encarté: "même combat et même echec intellectuel"
en général, j'aime bien comprendre ce que je lis, mais là je suis resté coi ! explications possible ? merci
quand à la "rue de solférino", elle ne vaut pas mieux que la "rue de la boétie " penseur politique encarté: "même combat et même echec intellectuel"
trouver son chemin personnel a travers le chemin initiatique du voyage
il n'y a pas de portugais en corse ?
les personnes qui avaient quitté le portugal sous salazar pour venir par exemple, en france, sont appelés "avec" par leur propre concitoyens qui estiment qu'ils ont les 2, ie le portugal et la france, le pouvoir d'achat en france etc ... et la famille restée au portugal donc un toit etc... ainsi la possibilité de faire les allers - retours
bon, c'est vrai que des a/r entre le pays du samedi soir et la patrie de hugo c + difficile, il n'empêche que je n'arrive pas à comprendre les critiques lorsque l'on ne vit pas dans le pays, c'est comme si j'apportais mon grain de sel sur la façon de vivre ou telle poilitique en thailande, comme je n'y vis pas je m'abstiens
c'est certainement le "saudade" qui a fait parler notre ami de cette façon 😉
à bientôt
tu l'as vu où l'éxagération ?
Mais dans tes propos ! Si tout n'est pas idéal en France, il y a des gens qui peuvent dire aux médias ce qu'ils pensent des conditions de rétention des immigrés, il y a même des tribunaux qui donnent tort à la police et qui refusent une conduite à la frontière. En France, il y a même des manifestations en faveur des sans-papiers ( on imagine çà en Thailande😇) En France, il y a des travailleurs sans-papiers qui font grève pour être régulariser...avec le soutien du syndicat patronal des hôteliers-restaurateurs ( on imagine çà en Thailande 😇)
Mais dans tes propos ! Si tout n'est pas idéal en France, il y a des gens qui peuvent dire aux médias ce qu'ils pensent des conditions de rétention des immigrés, il y a même des tribunaux qui donnent tort à la police et qui refusent une conduite à la frontière. En France, il y a même des manifestations en faveur des sans-papiers ( on imagine çà en Thailande😇) En France, il y a des travailleurs sans-papiers qui font grève pour être régulariser...avec le soutien du syndicat patronal des hôteliers-restaurateurs ( on imagine çà en Thailande 😇)
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
jsuis bien d'accord (enfin un post plein de fraicheur) mais on peut aussi remplacer thailande par tous les pays où il n'y a pas de democratie...
sinon pour les Hmongs/Miao lire l'article wikipedia qui est en français d'une et de 2 montre bien la complexité de leur histoire, comme de toutes les histoires politiques (les Hmongs sont originaires de chine où ils étaient maltraités, aussi)
"La seule certitude sur l'origine des Hmong est qu'ils ont occupé, avec d'autres ethnies miao, les bassins du fleuve Huang He avant même l'arrivée des premiers Chinois sur ce territoire, comme ces derniers le signalent dans leurs annales. Malgré les hypothèses émises par les ethnologues anglophones ou les missionnaires français, les seuls mouvements migratoires miao connus et attestés sont ceux signalés par les Chinois. Le reste n’est que supposition.D’abord établis vers le centre de la Chine, les Miao ont été peu à peu repoussés par les Chinois vers le sud du pays parce qu’ils n’ont jamais accepté la sinisation malgré plusieurs millénaires de vie en contact avec leurs voisins."
tu l'as vu où l'éxagération ?
Mais dans tes propos ! Si tout n'est pas idéal en France, il y a des gens qui peuvent dire aux médias ce qu'ils pensent des conditions de rétention des immigrés, il y a même des tribunaux qui donnent tort à la police et qui refusent une conduite à la frontière. En France, il y a même des manifestations en faveur des sans-papiers ( on imagine çà en Thailande😇) En France, il y a des travailleurs sans-papiers qui font grève pour être régulariser...avec le soutien du syndicat patronal des hôteliers-restaurateurs ( on imagine çà en Thailande 😇)
"La seule certitude sur l'origine des Hmong est qu'ils ont occupé, avec d'autres ethnies miao, les bassins du fleuve Huang He avant même l'arrivée des premiers Chinois sur ce territoire, comme ces derniers le signalent dans leurs annales. Malgré les hypothèses émises par les ethnologues anglophones ou les missionnaires français, les seuls mouvements migratoires miao connus et attestés sont ceux signalés par les Chinois. Le reste n’est que supposition.D’abord établis vers le centre de la Chine, les Miao ont été peu à peu repoussés par les Chinois vers le sud du pays parce qu’ils n’ont jamais accepté la sinisation malgré plusieurs millénaires de vie en contact avec leurs voisins."
tu l'as vu où l'éxagération ?
Mais dans tes propos ! Si tout n'est pas idéal en France, il y a des gens qui peuvent dire aux médias ce qu'ils pensent des conditions de rétention des immigrés, il y a même des tribunaux qui donnent tort à la police et qui refusent une conduite à la frontière. En France, il y a même des manifestations en faveur des sans-papiers ( on imagine çà en Thailande😇) En France, il y a des travailleurs sans-papiers qui font grève pour être régulariser...avec le soutien du syndicat patronal des hôteliers-restaurateurs ( on imagine çà en Thailande 😇)
Il y a pire que le bruit des bottes, le silence des pantoufles ! anonyme
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Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hello.
In 1996, we crossed Vietnam from Saigon to Hanoi by motorbike—Minsk bikes we bought in Saigon. I haven’t been back since, and it seems like a lot has changed.
- We’re heading to the south (well, the north and center) with the family in July-August (3 people).
- Is the road network more developed now? Back then, there was only National Route 1 from south to north. I’m thinking of renting a car this time (no motorbike with the family—though in ’96, they had a Jawa sidecar for sale, and we hesitated… maybe it’s for the best).
- Is Halong Bay really something to avoid because of overtourism? Even back then, it was pretty crowded. Is there a less touristy alternative?
- We’ll be traveling from Hanoi down to Danang (the only city we didn’t stop in back in ’96). Even though it’s a bit overhyped in a Chinese-tourist kind of way (from what I’ve read), we’re only going for the beach—pure relaxation for 7 days. The beaches are stunning, and I know the South China Sea is warm like coffee.
- Then, we’ll visit Hoi An, where I stopped in ’96. It was already popular with backpackers back then, but no glowing boats or all the touristy fuss!
- After that, Hue, where I have great memories—it’s a beautiful city.
- And also the nature around Ninh Binh, followed by 2-3 days in Hanoi.
That’s the plan. I’d love to hear any tips to avoid mass tourism, and if anyone’s done this before: - Is it possible to rent a car in Danang and drop it off in Hanoi?
Thanks, and long live the Nam! !
- We’re heading to the south (well, the north and center) with the family in July-August (3 people).
- Is the road network more developed now? Back then, there was only National Route 1 from south to north. I’m thinking of renting a car this time (no motorbike with the family—though in ’96, they had a Jawa sidecar for sale, and we hesitated… maybe it’s for the best).
- Is Halong Bay really something to avoid because of overtourism? Even back then, it was pretty crowded. Is there a less touristy alternative?
- We’ll be traveling from Hanoi down to Danang (the only city we didn’t stop in back in ’96). Even though it’s a bit overhyped in a Chinese-tourist kind of way (from what I’ve read), we’re only going for the beach—pure relaxation for 7 days. The beaches are stunning, and I know the South China Sea is warm like coffee.
- Then, we’ll visit Hoi An, where I stopped in ’96. It was already popular with backpackers back then, but no glowing boats or all the touristy fuss!
- After that, Hue, where I have great memories—it’s a beautiful city.
- And also the nature around Ninh Binh, followed by 2-3 days in Hanoi.
That’s the plan. I’d love to hear any tips to avoid mass tourism, and if anyone’s done this before: - Is it possible to rent a car in Danang and drop it off in Hanoi?
Thanks, and long live the Nam! !
Hey everyone,
I’m over in East Borneo in mid-July.
I’m struggling to wrap up the end of my itinerary, even though it’s pretty straightforward (long but simple).
Last year, we did Malaysia (KL and the mainland + around Kuching).
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees. Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands. Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way). Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan. Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide). Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre. Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island. Day 10 – Head to Semporna. Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai. Day 15 – Bohey Dulang. Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous. I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing. I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture. But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary. If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
What do you all think? Thanks in advance!
Day 1 – Arrive in Kota Kinabalu early, stroll around town and hit the must-sees. Day 2 – Excursion to Tunku Abdul Rahman Park, snorkeling at 3 islands. Day 3 – Hike around Mount Kinabalu without summiting (450 per person, no way). Day 4 – Poring Hot Springs + evening flight to Sandakan. Day 5-6-7 – Kinabatangan River (still looking for the right guide). Day 8 – Sepilok for the orangutans, the Sun Bear Centre, and Rainforest Discovery Centre. Day 9 – Selingan, turtle island. Day 10 – Head to Semporna. Day 11-12-13-14 – Sipadan, Mabul, Kapalai. Day 15 – Bohey Dulang. Day 16 to Day 25: I’M STUCK.
I looked into Danum Valley, but for 3 days/2 nights, they’re quoting 650 € per person—come on, that’s ridiculous. I checked out a detour into Indonesia (still East Borneo), but I’m having trouble deciding what would be amazing. I read about Sangalaki + Kakaban (2 islands, 1 base) / Mahakam Delta - Kutai (orangutans and river) / Sungai Boh (Dayak Kayan) – jungle & culture. But honestly, I’m struggling to finalize this itinerary. If we venture that way, we’d head back to KK from Balikpapan.
What do you all think? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Thanks for your opinions/answers! Marc Lamarre
For a 4-month stay in Egypt, I had ENORMOUS problems. The regulations are very bureaucratic and extremely nitpicky there. For a 4-month stay in the Philippines, I was wondering if the procedures are just as complicated? I’m bringing my cell phone with an eSIM. Should I choose a plan from Canada for use in the Philippines, or should I get a plan only once I arrive? After 30 days, do I renew with the Canadian provider I chose before leaving, or do I switch to a local company? Do I need to register my phone with the authorities in the Philippines? (That was the case in Egypt.) For the 3rd and 4th months, will it be just as simple—renewing with a Canadian or local provider—or should I expect problems?
Thanks for your opinions/answers! Marc Lamarre
Hello,
I’ll be in Malaysia with my wife, mainly in Langkawi and Penang for Christmas and New Year’s at the end of 2026.
If you’ve had the experience—and since I’ve read (though it’s not very clear) that these two islands get quite crowded during this period—would you recommend booking accommodation well in advance, or is it easy to find something on the spot?
Hotels or Airbnb?
Do you have any great tips for accommodation or any practical info to share?
We’ll be staying 5 to 7 days on each island.
Thanks in advance for your replies
Hi there. To make the most of Lake Toba, is it better to find accommodation on the lake’s shores (which one?) or on Samosir Island? Thanks for your tips!
Hi. Is it possible to take the train from Malacca to Ipoh? Thanks for your feedback.
Hi there,
We’re heading to Vietnam as a family on July 8th for a little over 3 weeks (north and center). We’ve only booked the first 3 nights in Hanoi, and nothing else after that. We like to decide things on the spot and go with the flow, without rushing everywhere. But I’m still a bit unsure: when heading down to the center (Hue), is it better to book the overnight trains in advance? We don’t want to take any flights while we’re there—just use the overnight train for the long trips. But I’m worried we won’t get seats if we buy the tickets on the spot, say, 2 days before. What do the experts here think? And which website can we use to book the tickets? Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone!
I’m heading back to Thailand in July 2026 with a stopover in Cambodia to visit the Angkor site.
After Angkor, I’ve booked a stay on Ko Chang island. Does anyone know if there are direct transport options from Cambodia to Ko Chang without having to go back through Bangkok? That would be amazing!!
I think there are, but I’d need more details!!
I went to Thailand in February 2025 and don’t remember having to apply for a visa—is that still the case now? And for Cambodia too?
Thanks so much!!!
Laurence from Bayonne
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
hi
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
I’ll be on a cruise on January 11, 2027. We’re stopping in Ho Chi Minh City (Phu My).
I’d love to see something other than the city—anyone have recommendations or a guide for 6-8 people with pickup at the port?
I’d really like to visit some rice paddies.
Hi there,
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m spending 4 days in Kuala Lumpur.
Could you let me know what’s absolutely worth visiting and what’s not really worth the effort?
Any suggested itinerary?
Apart from Batu Caves, I don’t have many ideas...
I’m traveling with my partner and our 16-year-old son.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi,
After our trip to China, we want to spend a week in the Philippines for some beach time and snorkeling.
We're looking for the best spot to settle in—nice beaches, great marine life, and short transfer times.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Hi there,
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Does anyone know of a private transfer or taxi company that organizes transfers from the Sukhothai area to Chiang Mai? Our routes are Sukhothai-Lampang, Lampang-Chom Thong, and Chom Thong-Chiang Mai. My searches on Google Maps, 12Go, and others haven’t turned up much...
For our Bangkok-Sukhothai trips, I use a company I’ve already tried, but they don’t have a fleet available from Sukhothai and have to go through third-party companies—which, understandably, take their commission. This nearly doubles the prices...
There are four of us, and we’re not traveling light, so a minibus isn’t an option. ;-)
Thanks for your tips! DrSnuggle
Hello,
While traveling in Thailand, I’m looking for a Buddhist kumlai reed bracelet.
Does anyone know where I can find one?
In Bangkok, I visited a few temples but didn’t see any in the nearby shops.
If you have any ideas, I’d love to hear them! Have a great day! :-)
Hi there
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
My trip’s coming up, and I’m having a bit of trouble with three bus/minivan routes. Usually, I find everything at this time of year, but this time—yikes!
Sandakan → Sepilok: No app for this one—you just hop on bus #14 at the local terminal (pay cash on board). But where do I catch it, and where’s the stop??
Sandakan → Semporna: From what I’ve heard, it’s the Sida Express company (great name, right? 😄). Can’t book online, but apparently, you *have* to because there’s only one bus at 8 AM. Where do I board, and where does it drop me off?
Semporna → Tawau: Found this via AI—is it legit? No online booking, as far as I can tell. Minivans leave from a stop in the Jalan Hospital area, near the Milimewa supermarket, supposedly???? And when you arrive, does it drop you at **Sabindo Square** in Tawau?????
Thanks for any tips—I’m stuck!
Hi there,
we’ll be in Mai Chau in June and we’re thinking of heading to Sapa, but first spending a few days in Bac Ha to do some hiking and explore the area.
Is this a good idea for those who’ve been there?
How do you get there?
Thanks for your feedback.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi everyone. As I’m planning my trip for next winter, I’m looking for hotel suggestions in Camotes, Bantayan, Malapascua, Bohol, and Siquijor. The ones I had in mind seem to be fully booked (unless it’s too early?). For those familiar with the area, is it easy to find accommodations on the spot in January/February? I’m specifically looking for hotels with a pool, beachfront, air conditioning, and easy scooter rental nearby. Thanks for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning an itinerary and would love some feedback on whether it’s doable and if the number of days per destination is enough—or too much. I was also debating whether to add an extra night on an island or spend an extra night in Kampot to visit Kep or Battambang.
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
March 23: Arrival in Phnom Penh in the morning March 24: Phnom Penh March 25: Phnom Penh March 26: Depart for Kampot March 27: Kampot March 28: Depart for Battambang March 29: Battambang March 30: Tonlé SAP to Siem Reap March 31: Siem Reap April 1: Siem Reap April 2: Siem Reap April 3: Siem Reap April 4: Siem Reap April 5: Departure
Thanks for any suggestions or help!
Hi there,
Yesterday in the Thailand section, 100% of the new threads were just about beach destinations 😕...
So here’s the counterattack in the form of this photo thread, dedicated solely to the countryside: the locals, their livestock, fields, farms, rice paddies, small rivers, and agricultural machinery. If you’ve got any pictures that fit these categories, feel free to add them!
Comments welcome.
For each photo, I’ll (or you can) indicate the area where it was taken.
Kanchanaburi:
Kanchanaburi:
Sri Chiangmai:
Soppong:
Tha Wang Pha:
Kanchanaburi:

Kanchanaburi:

Sri Chiangmai:

Soppong:

Tha Wang Pha:

🙂 Hi everyone!
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hope you're all doing well! It's been a while since I last traveled, but I'm finally heading out again soon!
For those familiar with SOUTHEAST ASIA, I'm planning to leave in mid-June (with the trip ending at the latest in November), and I don’t have a precise idea of exact places or itineraries yet. The thing is, this period is usually the rainy season...
Any advice? I was thinking of Malaysia or Indonesia, like Sulawesi, for example (all countries and islands in Southeast Asia interest me except Bali).
Any recommendations? I’m doing my research online, but if anyone here has the time and knowledge, I’d love to hear from you.
Thanks everyone, take care and stay happy! ❤️
Hi there,
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
My partner and I are planning a trip to Indonesia in September-October 2026. It’ll be our first time in Asia, and we’re thinking of hitting the classic spots in East Java and Bali, then wrapping up with a cruise around Komodo for some snorkeling/diving. Here’s a rough draft of our itinerary—I’m wondering if it’s doable.
20/09: Flight from Jakarta to Yogyakarta, arrive around noon, afternoon/evening and overnight in Yogyakarta. 21/09: Borobudur 22/09: Prambanan 23/09: Travel to Bromo (Cemoro Lawang) 24/09: Bromo 25/09: Kawa Ijen 26/09: Travel to Bali, overnight in Pemuteran 27/09: Excursion to Pulau Melujan, overnight in Pemuteran 28/09: Travel to Munduk, overnight in Munduk 29/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk 01/10: Route to Ubud (via Pura Ulu Danau Bratan, Jatiluwih?), overnight in Ubud 02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud 04/10: Travel to Denpasar, flight to Labuan Bajo, overnight in Labuan Bajo 05/10: Komodo cruise 06/10: Komodo cruise 07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo. 08/10: Flight to Denpasar (if not taken the day before), afternoon in Jimbaran, overnight near Denpasar 09/10: 10:00 AM flight Denpasar - SIN, overnight in Singapore 10/10: Flight SIN-YQB
Thanks for your thoughts—and for your time!
Hi everyone,
My girlfriend and I booked our tickets with Saudia Airlines for a trip to Thailand this summer, from July 5th to August 3rd. Given the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, we’re keeping a close eye on the news.
I was wondering if anyone here is in the same situation as us?
• Have you heard anything about possible mass cancellations or if the airline is still maintaining its routes to Asia?
• Are there any travelers who’ve recently returned who could tell us if air corridors have been changed (longer flight times)?
The idea is to know what to expect so we can prepare as best as possible. Thanks for your replies! !
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Thanks for all your contributions on the forum—they’ve really helped me plan my trip. There are four of us friends heading to Sulawesi for 20 days. Based on all your advice, I’ve put together the following itinerary:
July 30: Makassar – sightseeing July 31: Makassar – sightseeing + overnight bus to Rantepao August 1–7: Tana Toraja with a guide August 7: Tana Toraja to Tentena + visit Tentena August 8: Early departure with a private driver to Ampana, then ferry to the Togian Islands August 9–15: Togian Islands (2 different resorts) August 15: Depart Togian Islands for Luwuk August 16: Flight Luwuk to Makassar August 17: Rammang Rammang August 18: Stroll in Makassar, then return home
Overall, what do you think?
I also have a question about the connection between Tentena and the Togian Islands: Is it doable to leave early in the morning as planned and still be sure not to miss the ferry?
Thanks in advance for your feedback! :)
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!





