Trail of the Ancients (Utah)
by Titic35
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour le forum,
J'aimerais avoir votre avis sur 2 choix de route pour notre premier périple en juillet. Au départ de Monument Valley, nous ferons valley of gods puis la moki Dugway et Muley Point. Nous repartons ensuite vers Moab. Après Muley Point, j'ai vu que beaucoup de forumeurs redescendent la moki pour rejoindre Moab via Bluff. On peut également continuer sur trail of the ancients et la scenic byway pour rejoindre Blanding. Pour ceux qui ont la chance de connaitre, est il préférable de choisir plutot l'une que l'autre, sachant que nous n'avons pas de 4x4 et que nous n'aurons pas le temps de faire les randos pour voir les ruines indiennes car je souhaite faire canyonlands ou dead horse park en fin d'après midi.
Merci pour vos conseils.
Bonsoir Soazig,
avec un prénom/surnom comme ça, tu es sûrement de l'ouest, voir du far west 😉.
Au départ de Monument Valley, nous ferons valley of gods puis la moki Dugway et Muley Point.
Le matin, faire VoG d'est en ouest (because soleil).
Après Muley Point, j'ai vu que beaucoup de forumeurs redescendent la moki pour rejoindre Moab via Bluff
Pourquoi faire. Si tu as assez de photos de la piste qui monte, continue vers National Bridges (vers le nord) où tu peux faire seulement la "rim" en voiture et continuer sur Moab ensuite (pas besoin de redescendre). PS : plein de choses intéressantes dans cette zone, mais si c"est la première fois... 😇.
nous n'avons pas de 4x4
Pas besoin de 4*4 pour ce que tu proposes.
je souhaite faire canyonlands ou dead horse park en fin d'après midi.
Il va falloir courir ; c'est le gros pb de tous les "débutants", vouloir tout voit en 15 jours 😉. En 90 jours rien que sur les pistes, je suis loin d'avoir tout vu !
Bonne continuation pour ta prépa.
avec un prénom/surnom comme ça, tu es sûrement de l'ouest, voir du far west 😉.
Au départ de Monument Valley, nous ferons valley of gods puis la moki Dugway et Muley Point.
Le matin, faire VoG d'est en ouest (because soleil).
Après Muley Point, j'ai vu que beaucoup de forumeurs redescendent la moki pour rejoindre Moab via Bluff
Pourquoi faire. Si tu as assez de photos de la piste qui monte, continue vers National Bridges (vers le nord) où tu peux faire seulement la "rim" en voiture et continuer sur Moab ensuite (pas besoin de redescendre). PS : plein de choses intéressantes dans cette zone, mais si c"est la première fois... 😇.
nous n'avons pas de 4x4
Pas besoin de 4*4 pour ce que tu proposes.
je souhaite faire canyonlands ou dead horse park en fin d'après midi.
Il va falloir courir ; c'est le gros pb de tous les "débutants", vouloir tout voit en 15 jours 😉. En 90 jours rien que sur les pistes, je suis loin d'avoir tout vu !
Bonne continuation pour ta prépa.
Bonsoir Alain Pierre, Merci beaucoup pour ce retour qui me rassure sur l'état de la route après Muley Point, j'avoue que la descente de la Mokee m'inquiétait un peu 🤪.
Nous partons pour 3 semaines et à chaque étape il faut faire des choix cornéliens pour visiter tout en prenant le temps d'apprécier et de programmer quelques activités...En tout cas, merci à toi et à tous ceux qui prennent le temps de partager leur expérience et nous permettent de choisir les options qui nous plaisent le plus.
A bientôt
Soazig
Rebonjour,
me rassure sur l'état de la route après Muley Point
Cette route, la 261, est entièrement bitumée SAUF le petit tronçon appelé Moky Dugway ; mais ce tronçon ne pose aucun problème si on roule doucement, que ce soit à la montée ou à la descente. Par contre, pour aller à Muley Point, c'est un petit tronçon de piste (cul de sac) non bitumée mais assez carrossable.
à chaque étape il faut faire des choix cornéliens
Hé oui 😇 ! Mais, si c'est ton premier voyage, il faut bien savoir une chose : tu vas sûrement attraper le virus et tu REVIENDRAS 😎😎😎.
me rassure sur l'état de la route après Muley Point
Cette route, la 261, est entièrement bitumée SAUF le petit tronçon appelé Moky Dugway ; mais ce tronçon ne pose aucun problème si on roule doucement, que ce soit à la montée ou à la descente. Par contre, pour aller à Muley Point, c'est un petit tronçon de piste (cul de sac) non bitumée mais assez carrossable.
à chaque étape il faut faire des choix cornéliens
Hé oui 😇 ! Mais, si c'est ton premier voyage, il faut bien savoir une chose : tu vas sûrement attraper le virus et tu REVIENDRAS 😎😎😎.
Salut,
comme le dit Alain PIerre, il ne faut pas courir. Croyez-moi, essayer de visiter plus de choses, ce n'est pas une bonne idée, car si vous y retournez, vous voudrez approfondir, mais vous ne pourrez approfondir qu'une partie, donc ça nécessitera deux retours là-bas rien que pour approfondir ce que vous aurez vu à moitié cette année ! Je ne sais pas si je me suis bien fait comprendre... Mais je comprends tout à fait le but.
comme le dit Alain PIerre, il ne faut pas courir. Croyez-moi, essayer de visiter plus de choses, ce n'est pas une bonne idée, car si vous y retournez, vous voudrez approfondir, mais vous ne pourrez approfondir qu'une partie, donc ça nécessitera deux retours là-bas rien que pour approfondir ce que vous aurez vu à moitié cette année ! Je ne sais pas si je me suis bien fait comprendre... Mais je comprends tout à fait le but.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/the-wave-trip-grosse-semaine-dans-red-rocks-en-octobre-2016-d7656059/
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/photo-trip-dans-southwest-acte-9-d8122921/
https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=8900025#8900025
https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9637340;#9637340
Bonjour,
J'ai bien compris ce message Yves, c'est un conseil très récurrent sur ce forum et effectivement je reste persuadée qu'il vaut mieux prendre le temps, profiter de ce que l'on voit et visiter moins. Le Roadbook restera une base et sera certainement modulé en fonction des envies, de la météo et de notre forme.
A bientôt
Bonjour Soazig , bonjour à tous
Dans 5 semaines je serais dans cette région et j'ai également un parcours chargé de lieux touristiques .Donc il faut peut-être faire des choix . voici mon circuit en terre "navajo" et Utah - Le 9 août nous partons de Gallup pour visiter le "Canyon de Chelly" . Le soir nous dormons chez un "Navajo" pas d'eau mais de l'électricité pour le frigo et le ventilo . C'est sur la route 59 entre Chinle et Kayenta . Au milieu de nul part - 10 août . Levée du corps à 5 h du mat : 1 heure de route pour "Monument Valley" .Ouverture du Visitor Center à 6 H . Je voudrai me rendre avec le monospace ( piste ) à "Artist Point" pour le levé du soleil j'espère que ça va rouler . Nous repartons vers les 8 h , 8 h 30 : Par la route 261 et (95 ou 163 : 3 lieux à voir "Goosenecks ", " Muley Point", et "Valley of the Gods" le plus difficile en voiture 27 km de piste et fatiguant . Que faire : les 2 premiers lieux ou seulement "Valley of the Gods" . L'après midi nous voudrions être à Blanding vers les 15 h pour profiter de la piscine et laver un peu de linges. - Le 11 août Départ de Blanding par la route 95 et 24 pour Green River .Visite de "Natural Bridges " , arrêt à Hite marina le midi et avant Hanksville "Little Egypt". - Le 12 août Départ de Green River pour "Dead Horse Point" et "Canyonlands " le matin l'après- midi un petit tour à Moab et le soir au couché du soleil "Arches et Delicate Arch " - 13 août au départ de Green River route pour Tropic avec un détour par "Goblin Valley" , Arrêt à "Capitol Reef "et le soir prés de notre hôtel "Mossy Cave". - 14 août randonnée en "Bryce Canyon " . Nous dormons à Hurricane. - 15 août randonnée en "Zion N° park " et fin de notre circuit en Utah .Nous dormons à Mesquite . Voici mon projet et je demande avis pour la partie au nord de "Monument Valley"
Dans 5 semaines je serais dans cette région et j'ai également un parcours chargé de lieux touristiques .Donc il faut peut-être faire des choix . voici mon circuit en terre "navajo" et Utah - Le 9 août nous partons de Gallup pour visiter le "Canyon de Chelly" . Le soir nous dormons chez un "Navajo" pas d'eau mais de l'électricité pour le frigo et le ventilo . C'est sur la route 59 entre Chinle et Kayenta . Au milieu de nul part - 10 août . Levée du corps à 5 h du mat : 1 heure de route pour "Monument Valley" .Ouverture du Visitor Center à 6 H . Je voudrai me rendre avec le monospace ( piste ) à "Artist Point" pour le levé du soleil j'espère que ça va rouler . Nous repartons vers les 8 h , 8 h 30 : Par la route 261 et (95 ou 163 : 3 lieux à voir "Goosenecks ", " Muley Point", et "Valley of the Gods" le plus difficile en voiture 27 km de piste et fatiguant . Que faire : les 2 premiers lieux ou seulement "Valley of the Gods" . L'après midi nous voudrions être à Blanding vers les 15 h pour profiter de la piscine et laver un peu de linges. - Le 11 août Départ de Blanding par la route 95 et 24 pour Green River .Visite de "Natural Bridges " , arrêt à Hite marina le midi et avant Hanksville "Little Egypt". - Le 12 août Départ de Green River pour "Dead Horse Point" et "Canyonlands " le matin l'après- midi un petit tour à Moab et le soir au couché du soleil "Arches et Delicate Arch " - 13 août au départ de Green River route pour Tropic avec un détour par "Goblin Valley" , Arrêt à "Capitol Reef "et le soir prés de notre hôtel "Mossy Cave". - 14 août randonnée en "Bryce Canyon " . Nous dormons à Hurricane. - 15 août randonnée en "Zion N° park " et fin de notre circuit en Utah .Nous dormons à Mesquite . Voici mon projet et je demande avis pour la partie au nord de "Monument Valley"
Dominique
Bonjour,
- Pour Monument Valley, le sunrise le 10 août est à 6h30 heure de l'utah, 5h30 heure Arizona, calcuylez bien votre coup pour être là un peu à l'avance, et prévoyez du temps pour rejoindre votre point de vue. - Je préfère Valley of Gods que Gooseneck, mais ça reste un avis personnel. Je trouve qu'il est difficile de faire une photo intéressante à Gooseneck. - pour Little Egypt, c'est mieux au sunrise qu'au Sunset, même si les couleurs sont belles, si vous arrivez trop tard une grosse partie sera dans l'ombre.
POur le reste ça tient la route, mais ça va faire bcp de kms, vous allez courir un peu...
- Pour Monument Valley, le sunrise le 10 août est à 6h30 heure de l'utah, 5h30 heure Arizona, calcuylez bien votre coup pour être là un peu à l'avance, et prévoyez du temps pour rejoindre votre point de vue. - Je préfère Valley of Gods que Gooseneck, mais ça reste un avis personnel. Je trouve qu'il est difficile de faire une photo intéressante à Gooseneck. - pour Little Egypt, c'est mieux au sunrise qu'au Sunset, même si les couleurs sont belles, si vous arrivez trop tard une grosse partie sera dans l'ombre.
POur le reste ça tient la route, mais ça va faire bcp de kms, vous allez courir un peu...
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/the-wave-trip-grosse-semaine-dans-red-rocks-en-octobre-2016-d7656059/
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/photo-trip-dans-southwest-acte-9-d8122921/
https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=8900025#8900025
https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9637340;#9637340
Bonjour Yves
: les Navajos je pense sont déjà à l'heure de l'Utah .Donc prévoir un départ à 4 h 45
-La piste est-elle praticable pour Valley of Gods avec un monospace (normalement un Nissan Quest ) nous sommes 5 dans le véhicule.
Le mieux serait peut-être de faire Muley Point , Valleys of Gods et revenir par Bluff et Blanding ,
Le lendemain je fais la route 95.
Dominique
Bonjour Dominique,
Le soir nous dormons chez un "Navajo" pas d'eau
Pas d'eau courante ne veut pas dire pas d'eau. Nous passons pas mal de temps aux USA) sans voir de motel et ma femme s'est toujours lavée tous les jours (nous avons environ 40l d'eau dans la voiture). Pas besoin d'une longue douche pour se laver.
3 lieux à voir "Goosenecks ", " Muley Point", et "Valley of the Gods" le plus difficile en voiture 27 km de piste et fatiguant.
Comme c'est le matin, dans l'ordre VoG d'est en ouest, Goosenecks (il faut un ultra grand angle ou faire un panorama) et Muley Point. VoG n'est pas du tout difficile sauf s'il y a eu des orages les jours précédents ; je l'ai faite 2 fois ; idem pour Goosenecks SP. Après Muley Point, continuer nord sur la 261 et gagner Blanding par la 95.
arrêt à Hite marina le midi
Il y a belle lurette qu'il n'y a plus de marina à Hite.
La suite de ton parcours me semble assez décousue, pleine d'aller-retour ; as-tu tracé ton circuit sur googlemaps ?
Le soir nous dormons chez un "Navajo" pas d'eau
Pas d'eau courante ne veut pas dire pas d'eau. Nous passons pas mal de temps aux USA) sans voir de motel et ma femme s'est toujours lavée tous les jours (nous avons environ 40l d'eau dans la voiture). Pas besoin d'une longue douche pour se laver.
3 lieux à voir "Goosenecks ", " Muley Point", et "Valley of the Gods" le plus difficile en voiture 27 km de piste et fatiguant.
Comme c'est le matin, dans l'ordre VoG d'est en ouest, Goosenecks (il faut un ultra grand angle ou faire un panorama) et Muley Point. VoG n'est pas du tout difficile sauf s'il y a eu des orages les jours précédents ; je l'ai faite 2 fois ; idem pour Goosenecks SP. Après Muley Point, continuer nord sur la 261 et gagner Blanding par la 95.
arrêt à Hite marina le midi
Il y a belle lurette qu'il n'y a plus de marina à Hite.
La suite de ton parcours me semble assez décousue, pleine d'aller-retour ; as-tu tracé ton circuit sur googlemaps ?
Bonjour le Breton ; Alain-Pierre
Avant j'étais 44 au nord de Nantes.
Pour l'eau : Ma compagne aime bien le confort , un peu plus que moi ( j'ai fait mon armée en Afrique donc j'en ai vu d'autre ) . Mais j'aime l'idée de dormir chez ce "navajo " justement c'est un petit hogan sans grands conforts." mais avec un frigo . Deux des garçons (18 ans ) dormirons dans la voiture . Notre Navajo d'après les avis aime bien boire la bière avec ses clients auprès d'un feu le soir.
Je pense en partant de "Monument Valley " d'après tes renseignements et ceux du routard prendre la route 261 jusqu'à "Mulet Point" ( piste de 8 km ) et si tout va bien revenir sur mes pas et prendre à gauche (la piste 27 km) pour Valley of the Gods . Ensuite arrivée à Blanding par Bluff. Le lendemain , je prends la route 95 et 24 jusqu'à Green River car les hôtels sont beaucoup moins chères qu'a Moab par exemple et de plus nous préférons faire des parcs ou autre lieux touristiques le soir ou le matin sans la foule : trop de touristes malheureusement au mois d'août dans les grands parcs comme "ARCHES". Mais pour Edith c'est vacances obligé en août . Voilà pourquoi ces A/R et ce choix de petits parcs . J'hésite a faire "Zion" car il fera très chaud dans ce parc ? et beaucoup de monde . Voilà ma réflexion
Pour l'eau : Ma compagne aime bien le confort , un peu plus que moi ( j'ai fait mon armée en Afrique donc j'en ai vu d'autre ) . Mais j'aime l'idée de dormir chez ce "navajo " justement c'est un petit hogan sans grands conforts." mais avec un frigo . Deux des garçons (18 ans ) dormirons dans la voiture . Notre Navajo d'après les avis aime bien boire la bière avec ses clients auprès d'un feu le soir.
Je pense en partant de "Monument Valley " d'après tes renseignements et ceux du routard prendre la route 261 jusqu'à "Mulet Point" ( piste de 8 km ) et si tout va bien revenir sur mes pas et prendre à gauche (la piste 27 km) pour Valley of the Gods . Ensuite arrivée à Blanding par Bluff. Le lendemain , je prends la route 95 et 24 jusqu'à Green River car les hôtels sont beaucoup moins chères qu'a Moab par exemple et de plus nous préférons faire des parcs ou autre lieux touristiques le soir ou le matin sans la foule : trop de touristes malheureusement au mois d'août dans les grands parcs comme "ARCHES". Mais pour Edith c'est vacances obligé en août . Voilà pourquoi ces A/R et ce choix de petits parcs . J'hésite a faire "Zion" car il fera très chaud dans ce parc ? et beaucoup de monde . Voilà ma réflexion
Dominique
Effectivement, très très chaud à Zion en août.
Même tôt le matin.
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/the-wave-trip-grosse-semaine-dans-red-rocks-en-octobre-2016-d7656059/
https://voyageforum.com/discussion/photo-trip-dans-southwest-acte-9-d8122921/
https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=8900025#8900025
https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9637340;#9637340
Yves ,
Si nous n'allons pas à Zion . Je cherche un autre park ou lieux touristiques . Nous dormons chez un particulier à la limite de Colorado City mais du côté Utah à Hildale . je pense à Water Canyon le matin et Red Cliffs l'après-midi prés de Saint george .
Dominique
Bonjour Dominique,
en partant de "Monument Valley " d'après tes renseignements et ceux du routard prendre la route 261 jusqu'à "Mulet Point" (piste de 8 km) et si tout va bien revenir sur mes pas et prendre à gauche (la piste 27 km) pour Valley of the Gods
Tu vas faire VoG d'ouest en est le matin, donc soleil dans les yeux ; c'est pourquoi je te proposais de la faire d'est en ouest.
en partant de "Monument Valley " d'après tes renseignements et ceux du routard prendre la route 261 jusqu'à "Mulet Point" (piste de 8 km) et si tout va bien revenir sur mes pas et prendre à gauche (la piste 27 km) pour Valley of the Gods
Tu vas faire VoG d'ouest en est le matin, donc soleil dans les yeux ; c'est pourquoi je te proposais de la faire d'est en ouest.
Bonjour Dominique,
en partant de "Monument Valley " d'après tes renseignements et ceux du routard prendre la route 261 jusqu'à "Mulet Point" (piste de 8 km) et si tout va bien revenir sur mes pas et prendre à gauche (la piste 27 km) pour Valley of the Gods
Tu vas faire VoG d'ouest en est le matin, donc soleil dans les yeux ; c'est pourquoi je te proposais de la faire d'est en ouest.
Oui , merci , je ferais la route dans l'autre sens.
en partant de "Monument Valley " d'après tes renseignements et ceux du routard prendre la route 261 jusqu'à "Mulet Point" (piste de 8 km) et si tout va bien revenir sur mes pas et prendre à gauche (la piste 27 km) pour Valley of the Gods
Tu vas faire VoG d'ouest en est le matin, donc soleil dans les yeux ; c'est pourquoi je te proposais de la faire d'est en ouest.
Oui , merci , je ferais la route dans l'autre sens.
Dominique
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Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
After our first trip as a young couple to the West in 2007 (yes, that doesn’t make us any younger!), we’re planning to go back in 2028, but this time as a family of four! (We have two boys who’ll be 5½ and 13 years old in the summer of 2028.)
Our plan is to combine a few big cities (SF and LA, maybe San Diego) with national parks and state parks, mostly! Ideally, we’d like to leave at the end of June and head back to France around July 19–20, so we can enjoy the first week of the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
Since we already did the "loop" in 2007, there are must-see places we absolutely want to revisit—and especially share with our kids: Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, and above all, the Grand Canyon, which is still the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen on Earth!
On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
Hi VF community,
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
Hi there,
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hey everyone!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
Hello,
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan





