Train ou bus avec vélo pour aller de Batoumi à Istanbul
by Hélaine34
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Savez-vous comment on peut se rendre par train ou par bus, mais avec un vélo, pour aller de Batoumi jusqu'à Istanbul ?
Si vous connaissez le trajet emprunté dans les deux cas, car je voudrais couvrir une partie du trajet à vélo.
D'avance un grand merci.
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
Nicolas Bouvier. L'usage du monde
Bonjour,
Savez-vous comment on peut se rendre par train ou par bus, mais avec un vélo, pour aller de Batoumi jusqu'à Istanbul ?
Si vous connaissez le trajet emprunté dans les deux cas, car je voudrais couvrir une partie du trajet à vélo.
D'avance un grand merci.
Bonjour Helene, sur le site des des chemins de fers turc il y a pas quelques d'infos: https://ebilet.tcddtasimacilik.gov.tr/view/eybis/tnmGenel/tcddWebContent.jsf mais il n'est pas possible de prendre le train à batoumi pour Istanbul ou alors il faut passer par la Russie . Sinon il y a des bus batoumi/trabzon et Trabzon/istanbul autre possibilité: batoumi/Kars en bus et la il est possible de prendre un train pour Ankara et istanbul. A noter qu'entre Ankara et istanbul il y a une ligne TGV
Je ne sais si le transport d'un vélo est possible , a mon avis en l'emballant et en le démontant ça doit etre jouable en bus. Mais attention car les bus sont souvent bien pleins et les gens ont des bagages. Pour les trains je ne sais pas et je n'ai pas trouvé cette info sur le site des TCDD (en turc vélo se dit bisiklet, facile !)
à vélo le trajet Ankara/istanbul est intéressant mais en arrivant à proximité d'Istanbul il vaut mieux prendre un ferry à Yalova afin d'éviter la partie est de la ville qui est assez abominable à vélo. Pascal
Bonjour Helene, sur le site des des chemins de fers turc il y a pas quelques d'infos: https://ebilet.tcddtasimacilik.gov.tr/view/eybis/tnmGenel/tcddWebContent.jsf mais il n'est pas possible de prendre le train à batoumi pour Istanbul ou alors il faut passer par la Russie . Sinon il y a des bus batoumi/trabzon et Trabzon/istanbul autre possibilité: batoumi/Kars en bus et la il est possible de prendre un train pour Ankara et istanbul. A noter qu'entre Ankara et istanbul il y a une ligne TGV
Je ne sais si le transport d'un vélo est possible , a mon avis en l'emballant et en le démontant ça doit etre jouable en bus. Mais attention car les bus sont souvent bien pleins et les gens ont des bagages. Pour les trains je ne sais pas et je n'ai pas trouvé cette info sur le site des TCDD (en turc vélo se dit bisiklet, facile !)
à vélo le trajet Ankara/istanbul est intéressant mais en arrivant à proximité d'Istanbul il vaut mieux prendre un ferry à Yalova afin d'éviter la partie est de la ville qui est assez abominable à vélo. Pascal
Juste une question, tu ne veux pas prendre l'avion ?
je demande ça parce que les avions ne sont pas chers en Turquie et que c'est assez simple d'y embarquer un vélo .
je ne sais pas si les fiches horaires ici sont à jour :
www.tcddtasimacilik.gov.tr/trenler
mais ça donne un bon aperçu : Kars-Ankara ≈ 24 h de train ; les places en couchette ou même en wagons-lit ne sont pas chères (cf blog.khushomaded.fr/pages/Traversee-Turquie) . Entre Kars et Batumi, a priori, vélo ou bus.
Entre Ankara et Istanbul, le "YHT" = TGV turc (en fait pas si grande vitesse que ça, mais il en a le look) ne prend pas les vélos. De la gare routière d'Ankara , autocars pour Istanbul très fréquents, et la plupart des compagnies acceptent un vélo en soute s'il reste de la place, moyennant supplément. Si c'est plein tu attends le bus suivant. Je ne sais pas quelles villes intermédiaires ils desservent, j'avais pris un direct, avec seulement une pause sur une aire d'autoroute. D'une manière générale, tu trouveras des bus entre toutes les villes importantes.
Entre Ankara et Istanbul, le "YHT" = TGV turc (en fait pas si grande vitesse que ça, mais il en a le look) ne prend pas les vélos. De la gare routière d'Ankara , autocars pour Istanbul très fréquents, et la plupart des compagnies acceptent un vélo en soute s'il reste de la place, moyennant supplément. Si c'est plein tu attends le bus suivant. Je ne sais pas quelles villes intermédiaires ils desservent, j'avais pris un direct, avec seulement une pause sur une aire d'autoroute. D'une manière générale, tu trouveras des bus entre toutes les villes importantes.
Merci Nomade et Meg pour vos réponses. Vous êtes d'une efficacité diabolique !
En fait, Monique-Meg2 est au courant, je vais prendre l'avion jusqu'à Erevan puis remonter l'Arménie et la Géorgie, si tout se passe comme prévu. Je pensais prendre l'avion de retour à Trabzon où les vols sont, paraît-il (semblent) moins chers. Histoire aussi de mettre un pied en Turquie.
Et puis je me dis... pourquoi pas rouler davantage en Turquie et surtout visiter la mythique Istanbul ?
Tout le problème est de trouver un moyen de locomotion qui accepte les vélos. Vous avez bien répondu à mon questionnement et je vous remercie infiniment.
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
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Merci Nomade et Meg pour vos réponses. Vous êtes d'une efficacité diabolique !
En fait, Monique-Meg2 est au courant, je vais prendre l'avion jusqu'à Erevan puis remonter l'Arménie et la Géorgie, si tout se passe comme prévu. Je pensais prendre l'avion de retour à Trabzon où les vols sont, paraît-il (semblent) moins chers. Histoire aussi de mettre un pied en Turquie.
Et puis je me dis... pourquoi pas rouler davantage en Turquie et surtout visiter la mythique Istanbul ?
Tout le problème est de trouver un moyen de locomotion qui accepte les vélos. Vous avez bien répondu à mon questionnement et je vous remercie infiniment.
Bonjour Helene j'avais eu vent de tes projets... je connais pas mal de coins en Turquie et très bien Istanbul vu que ma compagne y travaille, d'ailleurs j'y vais demain ! donc si tu as besoin d'infos sur cette ville fabuleuse n'hésites pas .
globalement à vélo la Turquie n'est pas un pays de rêve , en ce sens que rien n'est prévu pour le vélo, les pistes cyclables sont rares tout comme les magasins de vélo . Toutefois en prenant au max les petites routes ça va coté sécurité, un peu moins coté ornières ! le bon point c'est que les Turcs sont très accueillants, les paysages sont superbes, la vie n'y est pas chère et en plus la cuisine est bonne (d'ailleurs lorsque je me balade vélo, le midi je préfère manger au resto dans une Locantasi (c'est une sorte de cantine populaire) on y mange bien pour 3/4€ , de quoi laisser la popote au fond de la sacoche ! . C'est un pays ou il vaut mieux aimer les cotes si tu penses revenir de Trabzon vers istanbul tu as le choix entre la route côtière hyper fréquentée ou des petites routes très dures à l'intérieur. je reste à disposition si besoin, n'hésites pas ça me fait plaisir de partager Pascal
Bonjour Helene j'avais eu vent de tes projets... je connais pas mal de coins en Turquie et très bien Istanbul vu que ma compagne y travaille, d'ailleurs j'y vais demain ! donc si tu as besoin d'infos sur cette ville fabuleuse n'hésites pas .
globalement à vélo la Turquie n'est pas un pays de rêve , en ce sens que rien n'est prévu pour le vélo, les pistes cyclables sont rares tout comme les magasins de vélo . Toutefois en prenant au max les petites routes ça va coté sécurité, un peu moins coté ornières ! le bon point c'est que les Turcs sont très accueillants, les paysages sont superbes, la vie n'y est pas chère et en plus la cuisine est bonne (d'ailleurs lorsque je me balade vélo, le midi je préfère manger au resto dans une Locantasi (c'est une sorte de cantine populaire) on y mange bien pour 3/4€ , de quoi laisser la popote au fond de la sacoche ! . C'est un pays ou il vaut mieux aimer les cotes si tu penses revenir de Trabzon vers istanbul tu as le choix entre la route côtière hyper fréquentée ou des petites routes très dures à l'intérieur. je reste à disposition si besoin, n'hésites pas ça me fait plaisir de partager Pascal
Bonjour,
Ah, Erevan - Batumi en vélo ça doit être quelque chose 🤪.
Bien sûr, en Turquie ne vous faites pas à manger, mangez dans les lokantas.
Michel
Merci Nomade et Meg pour vos réponses. Vous êtes d'une efficacité diabolique ! En fait, Monique-Meg2 est au courant, je vais prendre l'avion jusqu'à Erevan puis remonter l'Arménie et la Géorgie, si tout se passe comme prévu. Je pensais prendre l'avion de retour à Trabzon où les vols sont, paraît-il (semblent) moins chers. Histoire aussi de mettre un pied en Turquie. Et puis je me dis... pourquoi pas rouler davantage en Turquie et surtout visiter la mythique Istanbul ? Tout le problème est de trouver un moyen de locomotion qui accepte les vélos. Vous avez bien répondu à mon questionnement et je vous remercie infiniment.
Ah, Erevan - Batumi en vélo ça doit être quelque chose 🤪.
Bien sûr, en Turquie ne vous faites pas à manger, mangez dans les lokantas.
Michel
Merci Nomade et Meg pour vos réponses. Vous êtes d'une efficacité diabolique ! En fait, Monique-Meg2 est au courant, je vais prendre l'avion jusqu'à Erevan puis remonter l'Arménie et la Géorgie, si tout se passe comme prévu. Je pensais prendre l'avion de retour à Trabzon où les vols sont, paraît-il (semblent) moins chers. Histoire aussi de mettre un pied en Turquie. Et puis je me dis... pourquoi pas rouler davantage en Turquie et surtout visiter la mythique Istanbul ? Tout le problème est de trouver un moyen de locomotion qui accepte les vélos. Vous avez bien répondu à mon questionnement et je vous remercie infiniment.
je compte le faire par l'intérieur du pays !
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Nicolas Bouvier. L'usage du monde
C'est à dire ?
je compte le faire par l'intérieur du pays !
Michel
je compte le faire par l'intérieur du pays !
Michel
Je ne sais pas encore. En fait je dois traverser d'abord en mai et juin l'Arménie et la Géorgie. je ne sais pas si j'aurai le temps, l'énergie, la météo (il fera chaud) pour traverser la Turquie. Je voulais faire une boucle jusqu'en Cappadoce.
Ce sera peut-être pour une autre année, mais rêver c'est déjà voyager...
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La Cappadoce est une micro-région.
Pour être passé récemment à Alaverdi, j'ai trouvé que les routes étaient dans un état terrifiant.
Michel
Pour être passé récemment à Alaverdi, j'ai trouvé que les routes étaient dans un état terrifiant.
Michel
Pour être passé récemment à Alaverdi, j'ai trouvé que les routes étaient dans un état terrifiant.Michel
C'est-à-dire ?
C'est-à-dire ?
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
Nicolas Bouvier. L'usage du monde
La Cappadoce est une micro-région.
Pour être passé récemment à Alaverdi, j'ai trouvé que les routes étaient dans un état terrifiant.
Michel
Aussi intéressés par ce commentaire! Nous arriverons en Capadoce à vélo (en fait, sur un tandem de route avec bagages, voir photo), en provenance de Rhodes et de Fetiye, environs 800 kms pour une dizaire de jours de vélo.
Nous voulons évidemment éviter les autoroutes et le gros achalandage, privilégiant si possible les routes des campagnes, dans la mesure où ces routes sont pavées ...
Bien peu de ces routes (hors les routes principales) semblent visibles sur Google View, donc, difficile de savoir s'il nous sera possible de rouler sur un pavage acceptable. Qu'en pensez vous?
Pour être passé récemment à Alaverdi, j'ai trouvé que les routes étaient dans un état terrifiant.
Michel
Aussi intéressés par ce commentaire! Nous arriverons en Capadoce à vélo (en fait, sur un tandem de route avec bagages, voir photo), en provenance de Rhodes et de Fetiye, environs 800 kms pour une dizaire de jours de vélo.
Nous voulons évidemment éviter les autoroutes et le gros achalandage, privilégiant si possible les routes des campagnes, dans la mesure où ces routes sont pavées ...
Bien peu de ces routes (hors les routes principales) semblent visibles sur Google View, donc, difficile de savoir s'il nous sera possible de rouler sur un pavage acceptable. Qu'en pensez vous?
Ah mais ça c'est une excellente nouvelle ! Toutes les options sont possibles en Turquie, donc. Y'a plus qu' à apprendre la langue... J'ajouterai ça a mes démêlés avec le russe.
Merci Monique !
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
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Bonjour,
L'itinéraire de Batoumi à Kars, voire Erzurum, est magnifique mais très accidenté. Il y a plusieurs cols à franchir mais les petites villes sur la route ont toutes des hôtels, si c'est ce que vous souhaitez.
La côte d'Hopa ( le poste-frontière turco-géorgien ) à Trabzon est assez belle aussi, mais le trafic est dense.
Il y a aussi la possibilité d'entrer en Turquie plus à l'est, au sud de l'Akhaltsikhe ( Géorgie ). Il y a un col majeur fantastique à franchir pour atteindre Kars ( 2500 m + ). C'est assez costaud, surtout dans le sens nord-sud. Le site seldjouko-arménien d'Ani à 50 kms à l'est de la ville, sur la frontière arménienne, est grandiose. Depuis Kars les bus de grande ligne partent quotidiennement vers toutes les grandes villes du pays.
La Cappadoce est une petite région qui à mon sens se visite plus facilement à pied. Les bus de ligne s'arrêtent principalement un peu à l'écart à Nevsehir, mais certains vont à Göreme, le village au coeur de la vallée.
L.
L'itinéraire de Batoumi à Kars, voire Erzurum, est magnifique mais très accidenté. Il y a plusieurs cols à franchir mais les petites villes sur la route ont toutes des hôtels, si c'est ce que vous souhaitez.
La côte d'Hopa ( le poste-frontière turco-géorgien ) à Trabzon est assez belle aussi, mais le trafic est dense.
Il y a aussi la possibilité d'entrer en Turquie plus à l'est, au sud de l'Akhaltsikhe ( Géorgie ). Il y a un col majeur fantastique à franchir pour atteindre Kars ( 2500 m + ). C'est assez costaud, surtout dans le sens nord-sud. Le site seldjouko-arménien d'Ani à 50 kms à l'est de la ville, sur la frontière arménienne, est grandiose. Depuis Kars les bus de grande ligne partent quotidiennement vers toutes les grandes villes du pays.
La Cappadoce est une petite région qui à mon sens se visite plus facilement à pied. Les bus de ligne s'arrêtent principalement un peu à l'écart à Nevsehir, mais certains vont à Göreme, le village au coeur de la vallée.
L.
Il y a aussi la possibilité d'entrer en Turquie plus à l'est, au sud de l'Akhaltsikhe ( Géorgie ). Il y a un col majeur fantastique à franchir pour atteindre Kars ( 2500 m + ). C'est assez costaud, surtout dans le sens nord-sud.
Le site seldjouko-arménien d'Ani à 50 kms à l'est de la ville, sur la frontière arménienne, est grandiose.
Grand merci Levelo pour tous ces renseignements. Pouvez-vous me dire où se situent cette possibilité d'entrer en Turquie plus à l'est et ce fameux col ? D'avance in grand merci. Ln
Grand merci Levelo pour tous ces renseignements. Pouvez-vous me dire où se situent cette possibilité d'entrer en Turquie plus à l'est et ce fameux col ? D'avance in grand merci. Ln
"On croit qu'on fait un voyage mais c'est le voyage qui vous fait et vous défait."
Nicolas Bouvier. L'usage du monde
Bonsoir,
Vale / Posof.
Michel
Vale / Posof.
Michel
Il y a 3 postes possibles entre la Géorgie et la Turquie.
D'ouest en est :
- Batoumi/Hopa - Vale/Posof - Cildir-Akhalkalaki
A mon dernier passage dans la région je suis entré en Géorgie par Vale/Posof. Je venais de Kars. Le col que je mentionne est juste au sud de Posof, la montée vertigineuse commence peu après cette petite bourgade dans la forêt. Ce col est une barrière bioclimatique majeure : au nord un joli couvert végétal et des forêts tempérées qui rappellent l'Europe, au sud l'Anatolie pelée et rocailleuse, les bosquets de peupliers dans les vallons, un avant-goût d'Asie Centrale.
D'ouest en est :
- Batoumi/Hopa - Vale/Posof - Cildir-Akhalkalaki
A mon dernier passage dans la région je suis entré en Géorgie par Vale/Posof. Je venais de Kars. Le col que je mentionne est juste au sud de Posof, la montée vertigineuse commence peu après cette petite bourgade dans la forêt. Ce col est une barrière bioclimatique majeure : au nord un joli couvert végétal et des forêts tempérées qui rappellent l'Europe, au sud l'Anatolie pelée et rocailleuse, les bosquets de peupliers dans les vallons, un avant-goût d'Asie Centrale.
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It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.

It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.




One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.


We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.



Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
S.
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hi, I'm looking for a Pino tandem bike for sale in Quebec and I can't find any. Does anyone have any info, please? Thanks a bunch!
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Thanks for your help! Have a great day, Alexandre
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
hey everyone,
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
Thanks in advance, Jérôme
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
A shout-out to a cycling colleague from Savoie
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php

The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes Here are his travels Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place Rural and quite peaceful A road cycling route created by Serge B...
N+1 reconnaissance trips on a loop of about 400 km This way, he avoids the SNCF and its troubles http://cbandiera.free.fr/vv/lacs-savoie/recos.php


The latest reconnaissance trip from April to May 2026 http://cbandiera.free.fr/recits/2026-grenoble-H/index.php

First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
Hi everyone,
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025. It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border. We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
Hi there,
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure! Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou
Hi there,
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Coming from Laos (*), I’m planning to enter Thailand by bike via the Fourth Thai–Lao Friendship Bridge.
Before this bridge was built, I’d already cycled the road from Louang Namtha to Houei Sai and crossed the river by boat to reach Thailand.
At the time, the condition of that road was impeccable, and most importantly, traffic was light.
So I’m wondering if anyone who’s taken it recently can tell me whether traffic has increased since the bridge opened.
Thanks in advance!
(*) I’m currently cycling in China (Yunnan)
Hi there,
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Just a few words about the loop I did by bike in Yunnan.
Entry and exit
I entered China through the Sino-Vietnamese border crossing at Lào Cai / Hekou under the 30-day visa exemption currently available to French nationals and others.
The process was simple and quick. A Chinese police officer even helped me complete my electronic pre-registration at a computer kiosk. I wasn’t aware this formality was required—it’s similar to Thailand’s TM6.
No issues with the bike.
I left the country via the Sino-Laotian border crossing at Mohan / Boten.
The atmosphere was a bit chaotic there, but again, no problems with the bike.
The timing
I visited Yunnan in February 2026.
Weather-wise, at higher altitudes (between 1,500 and 2,000 meters), it was around ten degrees at night and in the mornings, and around twenty degrees at the hottest part of the day.
I had two days of rain, so I took the bus to keep moving. Otherwise, clear blue skies.
Culturally, Chinese New Year fell on February 17th (and the 15 days following), right in the middle of my trip. Because of this, my take on the traffic might be off.
Accommodation and food I always found a hotel to stay in for prices ranging from 8 to 15 €. Except in Kunming (the capital), where many hotels were fully booked (Chinese New Year). I ended up at a 100 € hotel with great value for money.
A bowl of noodles costs about 1.5 € on average.
Onboard electronics Since my smartphone doesn’t support eSIMs, I subscribed to a China plan with my carrier. Otherwise, for much cheaper, Alipay offers eSIMs for foreigners that allow access to services usually blocked for Chinese users (WhatsApp, Facebook, etc.).
An internet connection is essential for paying with Alipay or WeChat, as this payment method is widespread.
I only managed to use Alipay.
Either way, always carry cash because sometimes there’s no signal, or the merchant only accepts WeChat.
Also, it’s best to bring a power adapter when you arrive rather than struggling to find one.
Traffic and roads The Chinese aren’t reckless drivers. They follow traffic rules and watch out for cyclists. This is slightly less true in Xishuangbanna (the region bordering Myanmar and Laos).
In urban areas, there are almost always wide bike lanes, separated from other roads, where bikes, electric mini-scooters, and scooters share the space pretty harmoniously.
The roads are in great condition, and traffic is generally manageable—even light—except for one stretch (Eshan -> Yangwu).
Most traffic is absorbed by expressways, China’s equivalent of highways: toll roads that are off-limits to slow vehicles.
You’re never far from these expressways; sometimes you even ride alongside them, which can be noisy at times.
The climbs are usually reasonable, around 5% to 6%. From what I remember, the steepest section was between Menglun and Mengla, with gradients of 8% to 10%, sometimes more.
Riding at these altitudes—though modest—took a bit of getting used to.
The route I didn’t plan anything in advance. My only goal was to reach Kunming. I don’t know why, but just hearing the name of that city, like Yunnan, always felt dreamy to me.
Here’s the breakdown: Hekou -> Man Hao (94 km); Man Hao -> Yuanyang (64 km); Yuanyang -> Jianshui (bus); Jianshui -> Tong Hai (78 km); Tong Hai -> Chenjiang (85 km); Chenjiang -> Kunming (60 km); Kunming -> Kunyang (60 km); Kunyang -> Eshan (67 km); Eshan -> Yangwu (58 km); Yangwu -> Yuanjiang (59 km); Yuanjiang -> Pu'er (bus); Pu'er -> Dadugang (75 km); Dadugang -> Jinghong (80 km); Jinghong -> Menglun (67 km); Menglun -> Mengyuancun (51 km); Mengyuancun -> Mengla (43 km); Mengla -> Boten (67 km).
Otherwise, I’m currently in Thailand and just hoping my return flight with Qatar won’t get canceled.
Oh well... 😉
Hi! I’m planning to visit the Stockholm Archipelago by bike in early April.
Do you know if the boats will be running between the different islands at that time of year? For those who’ve already been, all your tips and recommendations are welcome—accommodation, etc. Also, do you know where I can rent a bike in Stockholm? Thanks so much in advance for your help!
Hello there, pedal-powered Young Boys!
Claudio (still from Faverges)
dreaming about a cycling getaway in Italy from Faverges (train all the way to Turin)
from Turin down to Venice along the Po River and back via the Padana (Alta Italia da attraversare – Northern Italy to cross)
The tricky part is getting from Chioggia to Venice.
I read it’s possible by hopping on a boat from island to island,
but it sounds a bit stressful.
Has anyone already tackled this route?
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio
Thanks, and cheers to all! http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/Padania/
Claudio

Hi there,
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!
I’m currently looking for a bike to do my first bike trip across France, with the ultimate goal of cycling through Latin America. I’ve got a lot of questions and I’d love to hear if you have any answers or advice to share. First off, I’ve been through this before with hiking. I want to get top-quality gear right away. When I started hiking, I ended up buying everything three times—first beginner gear, then intermediate, then expert, etc. For biking, I’d prefer to skip that process and invest right now in a bike that could ideally handle Latin America. I’ve set a total max budget of around 5000 € (roughly 4000–4500 € for the bike and the rest for accessories: panniers, helmet, cycling shorts, etc.).
So, I’ve got quite a few questions:
* I’ve read in several places that some people recommend buying the bike directly in Latin America. Since I need a first bike to train in Europe, would it be better to buy an entry-level bike in France (and sell it before the big departure)? Or is it preferable to start right away with my final bike to get used to it? Is buying it there just to save a bit of money?
* For a long-term trip (around six months) in Latin America, is it better to go for a gravel bike or a mountain bike?
* Should I buy a new bike or a refurbished one? Even more so given that I’m planning a long trip—could a refurbished bike end up causing more breakdowns?
If you have any advice on models, technical features to prioritize, or recommended sellers or resellers, I’d love to hear it. I’m a total beginner—I’ve only just started watching videos and reading up on the subject, and all the technical specs are new to me!
Thanks in advance for your help!





