Trek dans les dunes de Merzouga: trop de 4x4/quad/moto?
by Guy44600
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Nous devons partir pour le Maroc faire un trek dans les dunes de merzouga avec nomade aventure circuit "royaume des sables" en janvier mais j' hésite quand j'ai vu que c'est le royaume des 4x4 quad moto etc seront ils au même endroit que nous? nuisance choisir un autre site plus calme? merci de vos conseils
Bonjour,
Il va falloir que votre guide l'a joue fine, pour ne pas subir les nuisances!
L'erg fait, je crois:22km sur 8, la dérnière fois que j'y étais, le soir au bivouac, on entendait tourner les quads !!!
Ce serait bien que les marocains se penchent sur ce problème, car ils vont perdre une certaine catégorie de touristes!
Ils pourraient peut-etre laisser aux quads, quelques dunes dans un coin de l'érg!
Les laisser entre eux, les parker!
Essayer d'en parler a votre organisateur, cela aura au moins le mérite de les sensibiliser.
Cordialement
patrick
marche à l'étoile meme si elle est trop haute
(Alexandra David- Neel)
voyager n'est pas arrivé mais parcourir le chemin(stevenson)
Il y a d'autres sites plus petits et moins connu ( mais plus loin et erg moins grand) ou il n' y a pas ces hordes.
Sinon pour vraiment voir le vrai sahara et se sentir seul au monde ce n'est pas la destination idéale.
"When I saw the Hoggar Mountains, my jaw dropped. If you think of Bryce, or Canyonlands National Park, you're close, but the Hoggar Mountains are more spectacular." David Ball, Empire of sands
Si vous voulez un endroit tranquille, peut être qu'il vaut mieux aller du côté de Mhamid, c'est quand même beaucoup moins touristique !
Bonjour,
Mouais!Mhamid plus tranquille, d'accord!
Mais si c'est pour etre accompagné par des gens comme ceux de Mhamid travel, j'aime encore mieux entendre tourné quelques quads.....
Cordialement
patrick
marche à l'étoile meme si elle est trop haute
(Alexandra David- Neel)
voyager n'est pas arrivé mais parcourir le chemin(stevenson)
Il y a malheureusement de tout partout ... mais encore des endroits sauvages dans le désert de Mhamid.
D'accord avec vous, mais, j'avais tellement peur qu'ils se retrouvent a joindre ce genre de personnages, (qui ne méritent pas de travailler)que j'ai osé l'écrire!
Cordialement
patrick
marche à l'étoile meme si elle est trop haute
(Alexandra David- Neel)
voyager n'est pas arrivé mais parcourir le chemin(stevenson)
d'imbéciles casqués et pétaradants !
pourquoi être insultants ? ... est-ce bien nécessaire ? cela fait parti d'une économie locale, la location de ces engins ces marocains, les loueurs, n'ont-ils pas droit aussi à avoir des revenus ... licites 😛
un peu de tolérance les uns vis à vis des autres, ce n'est pas mal non plus 😉
pourquoi être insultants ? ... est-ce bien nécessaire ? cela fait parti d'une économie locale, la location de ces engins ces marocains, les loueurs, n'ont-ils pas droit aussi à avoir des revenus ... licites 😛
un peu de tolérance les uns vis à vis des autres, ce n'est pas mal non plus 😉
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Dom
Dom
Bonsoir,
Bien d'accord avec vous, pas la peine d'insulter!
Mais , pas d'accord sur cette tolérence, car pour quelques quads, ou motos d'enduro, ce sont beaucoup de nuisances pour de nombreux randonneurs!
Qui, le jour ou ils ne trouveront plus le calme iront ailleurs!
les autorités marocaines doivent faire quelques chose pour ne pas perdre ces derniers!
A noter que si l'erg chebby était en france, il y a longtemps qu'il serait classé parc national.
Aussi, si on ne voyait pas aussi souvent des "pseudos quadeurs" et des "pseudos enduristes"traverser les bleds "a fond la caisse"bruit et vitesse excessive, (ils sont ridicules), ils auraient une meilleure réputation, ils ont besoin aussi d'éducation.
Cordialement
patrick
marche à l'étoile meme si elle est trop haute
(Alexandra David- Neel)
voyager n'est pas arrivé mais parcourir le chemin(stevenson)
...snip...
Aussi, si on ne voyait pas aussi souvent des "pseudos quadeurs" et des "pseudos enduristes"traverser les bleds "a fond la caisse"bruit et vitesse excessive, (ils sont ridicules), ils auraient une meilleure réputation, ils ont besoin aussi d'éducation.
Cordialement
j'adhère avec ton constat que certains, peut-être, même trop de "pseudos quadeurs" et des "pseudos enduristes" devraient aller prendre des leçons de savoir vivre "ensemble" mais je maintiens ma position à propos de la tolérance, il y a suffisamment de place, surtout au Maroc, pour ne pas le transformer en "sanctuaire" pour trekkers, tout le monde a droit à "SON" bonheur, sans pour autant imposer un "dicdat", ou créer un ostracisme à l'égard de certaines communautés pour mémoire, je suis un "quatre-quatreux", néanmoins respectueux des autres, et de l'environnement
j'adhère avec ton constat que certains, peut-être, même trop de "pseudos quadeurs" et des "pseudos enduristes" devraient aller prendre des leçons de savoir vivre "ensemble" mais je maintiens ma position à propos de la tolérance, il y a suffisamment de place, surtout au Maroc, pour ne pas le transformer en "sanctuaire" pour trekkers, tout le monde a droit à "SON" bonheur, sans pour autant imposer un "dicdat", ou créer un ostracisme à l'égard de certaines communautés pour mémoire, je suis un "quatre-quatreux", néanmoins respectueux des autres, et de l'environnement
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Dom
Dom
Le problème des engins motorisés, 4*4 et autres quads, c'est qu'en roulant sur les dunes ça ecrasent les poussent de plantes utilisées pour le paturage et ça laisse des traces de pneus qui peuvent rester des années.
"When I saw the Hoggar Mountains, my jaw dropped. If you think of Bryce, or Canyonlands National Park, you're close, but the Hoggar Mountains are more spectacular." David Ball, Empire of sands
Le problème des engins motorisés, 4*4 et autres quads, c'est qu'en roulant sur les dunes ça ecrasent les poussent de plantes utilisées pour le paturage et ça laisse des traces de pneus qui peuvent rester des années.
je veux bien te croire, par courtoisie mais pour avoir fréquenté, les déserts, de Libye, d'Égypte, de Saudi, et même du Koweit, je dois avouer que je n'ai jamais vu de ces plantes utilisées pour le pâturages, pousser dessus 😛 je te concède les marques de pneus, mais dans les dunes "de sable", un "coup de vent du désert" et tout est arasé 😛 on ne retrouve même pas ses marques parfois d'un mois à l'autre, suivant les saisons
par contre dans les "regs" tu as raison ... mais c'est des dunes ... dont il est question 😉
car en fait, vous faites supporter tout les "péchés" aux motorisés, pour justifier votre désir de les voir interdire 😛 un peu de tolérance, MERCI 😎
je veux bien te croire, par courtoisie mais pour avoir fréquenté, les déserts, de Libye, d'Égypte, de Saudi, et même du Koweit, je dois avouer que je n'ai jamais vu de ces plantes utilisées pour le pâturages, pousser dessus 😛 je te concède les marques de pneus, mais dans les dunes "de sable", un "coup de vent du désert" et tout est arasé 😛 on ne retrouve même pas ses marques parfois d'un mois à l'autre, suivant les saisons
par contre dans les "regs" tu as raison ... mais c'est des dunes ... dont il est question 😉
car en fait, vous faites supporter tout les "péchés" aux motorisés, pour justifier votre désir de les voir interdire 😛 un peu de tolérance, MERCI 😎
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Dom
Dom
Pour info :
Une gerbe de roses s'abat sur Merzouga, haut lieu du désert marocain. Au pied des dunes de sables de l'erg de Chebi, 182 équipages 100 % féminins vont vivre la semaine prochaine une aventure fabuleuse, pendant que d'autres, autour d'Erfoud joueront avec le même sable mais contre le chrono.
Ben là j'y suis à Merzouga. Première et dernière fois. Pas une dune sans trace de roue, le silence entre deux débiles vrombissant. Ça fait plus fête foraine que sérénité du désert.
Le bonheur c'est d'être heureux
pour quelle période vous voulez faire votre trek?
bonjour
ces marocains, les loueurs, n'ont-ils pas droit aussi à avoir des revenus ... licites 😛 un peu de tolérance les uns vis à vis des autres, ce n'est pas mal non plus 😉
d'accord mais la bagnole et le bruit de moteurs on supporte ça toute la journée à longueur d'année... si on veut trouver la sérennité du désert alors c'est raté Sans compter qu'une circulation intense d'engins mécanisés dans le désert abime les écosystèmes Car le désert contrairement à ce que l'on pourrait penser est un écosystème naturel fragile
ces marocains, les loueurs, n'ont-ils pas droit aussi à avoir des revenus ... licites 😛 un peu de tolérance les uns vis à vis des autres, ce n'est pas mal non plus 😉
d'accord mais la bagnole et le bruit de moteurs on supporte ça toute la journée à longueur d'année... si on veut trouver la sérennité du désert alors c'est raté Sans compter qu'une circulation intense d'engins mécanisés dans le désert abime les écosystèmes Car le désert contrairement à ce que l'on pourrait penser est un écosystème naturel fragile
Sans compter qu'une circulation intense d'engins mécanisés dans le désert abime les écosystèmes
Car le désert contrairement à ce que l'on pourrait penser est un écosystème naturel fragile
Bonjour comme dans tout, c'est dans l'équilibre des choses, que l'on trouve l'harmonie les positions extrêmes n'engendrant que des frustrations, et des frictions 😛 le tout ou rien, est stérile, et nocif dans un vie en communauté - vous demandez l'interdiction des motorisés dans les dunes de Merzouga - les autres à ce moment peuvent vous rétorquer, allez ailleurs, la Terre est suffisamment vaste 😇
le Sahara couvre 12 millions de kilomètres carrés, que représente les dunes de Merzouga en comparaison ... epsilon la France ne couvrant "que" 552 000 km2 ... vous imaginez le rapport
je ne nie pas l'impact des engins mécanisés dans les déserts, mais honnêtement, c'est vraiment à la marge 😛
Bonjour comme dans tout, c'est dans l'équilibre des choses, que l'on trouve l'harmonie les positions extrêmes n'engendrant que des frustrations, et des frictions 😛 le tout ou rien, est stérile, et nocif dans un vie en communauté - vous demandez l'interdiction des motorisés dans les dunes de Merzouga - les autres à ce moment peuvent vous rétorquer, allez ailleurs, la Terre est suffisamment vaste 😇
le Sahara couvre 12 millions de kilomètres carrés, que représente les dunes de Merzouga en comparaison ... epsilon la France ne couvrant "que" 552 000 km2 ... vous imaginez le rapport
je ne nie pas l'impact des engins mécanisés dans les déserts, mais honnêtement, c'est vraiment à la marge 😛
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Dom
Dom
Bonjour,
moi aussi j'ai déja roulé en quad de location dans les dunes (mais c'était pas a Merzouga) et personellement je trouvais que cela faisait un bruit infernalle solution simple pour le bruit: des pots d'échappement serieux obligatoires cela resoudera déja une partie du probleme par contre , question fun c'est le top
Dirk
moi aussi j'ai déja roulé en quad de location dans les dunes (mais c'était pas a Merzouga) et personellement je trouvais que cela faisait un bruit infernalle solution simple pour le bruit: des pots d'échappement serieux obligatoires cela resoudera déja une partie du probleme par contre , question fun c'est le top
Dirk
+1😉
patrick
marche à l'étoile meme si elle est trop haute
(Alexandra David- Neel)
voyager n'est pas arrivé mais parcourir le chemin(stevenson)
Ce qui serait équitable, c'est qu'une petite partie de l'erg Chebbi soit réservée aux engins motorisés, notamment les quads, et que le reste soit réservé aux marcheurs et aux dromadaires et donc interdit aux autres !
why not 😉
why not 😉
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Dom
Dom
Ce qui serait équitable, c'est qu'une petite partie de l'erg Chebbi soit réservée aux engins motorisés, notamment les quads, et que le reste soit réservé aux marcheurs et aux dromadaires et donc interdit aux autres !
Déja que l'erg n'est pas très grand ( environ 20 * 10 km), si en plus on le divise en deux suivant le type de touristes.....🤪
Déja que l'erg n'est pas très grand ( environ 20 * 10 km), si en plus on le divise en deux suivant le type de touristes.....🤪
"When I saw the Hoggar Mountains, my jaw dropped. If you think of Bryce, or Canyonlands National Park, you're close, but the Hoggar Mountains are more spectacular." David Ball, Empire of sands
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Thanks! :-)
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra







