Turquie, Syrie, Jordanie en 4x4 cet été
by Rhinocétoy2
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour à tous,
étant nouveau membre, je ne vais peut-être pas assimiler tout de suite le mode de fonctionnement du forum, et je m'en excuse par avance.
nous partons à 2 véhicules, à 4 adultes et 2 enfants (mon gendre, ma fille, mes 2 petites filles de 6 et 8 ans, mon épouse et moi) et sommes habitués à ce genre de voyage.
je recherche des personnes ayant effectué ce voyage récemment, pour obtenir des
renseignements en vue de la préparation du notre. est-il possible de prendre le visa pour la jordanie en syrie? le prix de la taxe de gasoil en syrie, de la taxe de douane et de l'assurance pour le véhicule,
la même chose pour la jordanie, ainsi que le prix du carburant dans ces 2 pays. existe-t'il des problèmes particuliers pour bivouaquer? est-il toujour possible de traverser le wadi rum de pétras vers aqaba dans son intégralité
sans "escorte" et doit-on s'acquitter tout de même d'une taxe? j'ai des amis qui ont fait ce
voyage en 95, et depuis, je pense que les conditions ont dû bien changer. pour le carburant, sur l'ensemble du parcours jusqu'à l'entrée en syrie ( france, italie, grèce
et turquie) quelle est la fourchette de prix afin d'éviter au maximum de faire le plein dans
le ou les pays le ou les plus chers, sachant que nous avons des doubles réservoirs (180l
d'autonomie). enfin, est-ce que quelqu'un aurait des itinéraires de pistes
ainsi que des points GPS à fournir.
je pense que dans un premier temps cela va me permettre
d'avancer.
merci à tous d'avance
les "bédoinais"
Bonjour,
Je ne peux que t'aider sur le prix des carburants en europe.
voir ici:
http://www.acl.lu/fr/a_la_une/prix_des_carburants
Bonne préparation pour ce magnifique voyage.
Aimé
Ce qui compte pour la richesse, ce n'est pas d'en disposer mais d'en profiter !!
bonjour,
bien reçu ton message, je suis allé voir sur le site indiqué, qui est bien pratique, et je sais déjà
qu'il faudra oublier de faire le plein en italie. Par contre, si on pouvais me donner le renseignement pour la turquie, se serait bien.
merci.
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Bonjour,
Quelques éléments....
"- est-il possible de prendre le visa pour la jordanie en syrie? "
Oui, simplement à la frontière.
Les carburants sont extrèmement chers en Turquie.
Michel
Quelques éléments....
"- est-il possible de prendre le visa pour la jordanie en syrie? "
Oui, simplement à la frontière.
Les carburants sont extrèmement chers en Turquie.
Michel
Bonjour, 😉
Nous avons fait ce voyage il y a quelques années et malheureusement des amis n'ont pu aller plus loin que la Turquie.
Voyage magnifique, j'espère que celui-ci se passera bien car eux ont eu beaucoup de mal à s'en remettre.
Va voir ici mon JC :
http://benzinpreis.de/international.phtml
Va voir ici mon JC :
http://benzinpreis.de/international.phtmlhttp://afrique-a-coeur.com/cariboost1/
Découvrir.
merci tatra,
nous ferons donc le plein en grèce pour éviter d'en mettre trop en turquie
les "bédoinais"
bonjour thekaguy, merci pour ton adresse concernant les carburants, et je compatis pour tes amis qui ont raté le voyage à l'époque ou tu l'as fait.
les "bédoinais"
Bonjour
en 2006 sur une durée de 3 mois nous avons effectivement fait ce périple Paris / Aqaba / Paris, mon épouse, notre chat, et notre "Patrol"
points à ne pas négliger (à notre avis) attention aux visas Syriens qui ne sont délivrés QUE dans votre pays d'origine,
aucun, mais aucun espoir de se les faire délivrer à la frontière, aucun problème pour le Jordanien attention à la surtaxe heddomadaire pour le gasoil en Syrie, je m'étais cru "malin" de ne prendre "QUE" le minimum (dans la durée), ce fut un furieux cirque pour faire prolonger, ... même si on payait cette taxe, donc on calcul bien À LA FRONTIÈRE la durée du séjour "aller" puis même punition au retour, TOUJOURS à la frontière entre 2006 et aujourd'hui pas mal de chose ont changé, néanmoins
voici ce que j'écrivais ici en avril 2007
Sécurité des biens et des personnes en Syrie ? après avoir passé comme expatrié plus de 25 ans de ma vie au M-O et Grand-Maghreb, je puis affirmer que je n'ai JAMAIS trouvé un pays, une population aussi soucieuse de tranquillité, de sécurité, d'honnêteté j'ai même une annecdote à ce sujet; nous avions changé des Euros à Alep dans un bureau de change officiel (je confirme que le change au marché noir est moins avantageux que l'officiel 😛), nous avions un reçu, .. qqs jours plus tard retournant à ce même bureau de change, les 2 employés nous ont reçu avec un air soulagé ..... nous ont demandé si nous avions gardé notre reçu du change précédent, puis nous ont expliqué qu'ils avaient pratiqué un cours défavorable à notre encontre, car basé sur le U$ et non sur l'Euro, et qu'ils nous étaient redevables d'une somme non négligeable .... J'EN FUS ESTOMAQUÉ nous sommes restés deux mois en Syrie (juin-juillet 2006), nomadisant avec notre 4x4 équipé pour le bivouac, ce qui veut dire avec une galerie avec pas mal d'accessoires, rien ne fut subtilisé, ni même touché nous avons apprécié la gentillesse naturelle, le désir de rendre service, non pas dans l'espoir d'un retour sur le geste, mais juste pour le plaisir, nous avons aussi apprécié la tolérance des gens entre eux, et Dieu sait combien d'obédiences religieuses différentes sont en contact, force de constater que si de l'extérieur l'image de la Syrie est brouillée, du moins quand on la vit au quotidien de l'intérieur les choses sont claires, tout n'est pas parfait, mais le Monde Parfait n'est pas de notre Monde sur la Terre 😛
pour la partie Est, nous sommes allés en bivouaquant jusqu'à Mari (frontière Irakienne), en passant par tout les sites archéologiques ... envoutant, et pas l'ombre d'un souci j'ai lu un post qui disait ne pas envisager la visite de la partie Nord-Ouest, ERREUR, c'est se priver de lieux enchanteurs comme les "Cités Mortes" (je fus bluffé), mais aussi de nombre de châteaux datant du Moyen-âge, il est vrai que j'aime l'archéo, et le Moyen-Âge ...😛
une évidence après ces 2 mois passés en Syrie.... nous Y RETOURNERONS, car ce pays est trop enchanteur 😉
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en ce qui concerne la Jordanie, je serais bcp moins enthousiasme, il est certain que le Wadi Rum, et Pétra sont des lieux enchanteurs, mais complètement fagocité par les "marchands du temple" .... faut payer pour entrer le Wadi .... 😛 Aqaba ... nous avons fuit 😛 arrivé début de l'après midi, pris nos jambes à notre cou avant la nuit 🤪 pas moyen de bivouaquer à un prix raisonnable ... hopeless si on compte camper sur le Golf, le peu de front de mer, c'est hotels, ou parking, avec INTERDICTION d'y passer la nuit 😕 et dans un parking gardé/couvert/payant de Amman, on s'est fait tirer de la galerie un jerrican de gasoil, pourtant sécurisé et cadenassé 🏴☠️
Sécurité des biens et des personnes en Syrie ? après avoir passé comme expatrié plus de 25 ans de ma vie au M-O et Grand-Maghreb, je puis affirmer que je n'ai JAMAIS trouvé un pays, une population aussi soucieuse de tranquillité, de sécurité, d'honnêteté j'ai même une annecdote à ce sujet; nous avions changé des Euros à Alep dans un bureau de change officiel (je confirme que le change au marché noir est moins avantageux que l'officiel 😛), nous avions un reçu, .. qqs jours plus tard retournant à ce même bureau de change, les 2 employés nous ont reçu avec un air soulagé ..... nous ont demandé si nous avions gardé notre reçu du change précédent, puis nous ont expliqué qu'ils avaient pratiqué un cours défavorable à notre encontre, car basé sur le U$ et non sur l'Euro, et qu'ils nous étaient redevables d'une somme non négligeable .... J'EN FUS ESTOMAQUÉ nous sommes restés deux mois en Syrie (juin-juillet 2006), nomadisant avec notre 4x4 équipé pour le bivouac, ce qui veut dire avec une galerie avec pas mal d'accessoires, rien ne fut subtilisé, ni même touché nous avons apprécié la gentillesse naturelle, le désir de rendre service, non pas dans l'espoir d'un retour sur le geste, mais juste pour le plaisir, nous avons aussi apprécié la tolérance des gens entre eux, et Dieu sait combien d'obédiences religieuses différentes sont en contact, force de constater que si de l'extérieur l'image de la Syrie est brouillée, du moins quand on la vit au quotidien de l'intérieur les choses sont claires, tout n'est pas parfait, mais le Monde Parfait n'est pas de notre Monde sur la Terre 😛
pour la partie Est, nous sommes allés en bivouaquant jusqu'à Mari (frontière Irakienne), en passant par tout les sites archéologiques ... envoutant, et pas l'ombre d'un souci j'ai lu un post qui disait ne pas envisager la visite de la partie Nord-Ouest, ERREUR, c'est se priver de lieux enchanteurs comme les "Cités Mortes" (je fus bluffé), mais aussi de nombre de châteaux datant du Moyen-âge, il est vrai que j'aime l'archéo, et le Moyen-Âge ...😛
une évidence après ces 2 mois passés en Syrie.... nous Y RETOURNERONS, car ce pays est trop enchanteur 😉
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en ce qui concerne la Jordanie, je serais bcp moins enthousiasme, il est certain que le Wadi Rum, et Pétra sont des lieux enchanteurs, mais complètement fagocité par les "marchands du temple" .... faut payer pour entrer le Wadi .... 😛 Aqaba ... nous avons fuit 😛 arrivé début de l'après midi, pris nos jambes à notre cou avant la nuit 🤪 pas moyen de bivouaquer à un prix raisonnable ... hopeless si on compte camper sur le Golf, le peu de front de mer, c'est hotels, ou parking, avec INTERDICTION d'y passer la nuit 😕 et dans un parking gardé/couvert/payant de Amman, on s'est fait tirer de la galerie un jerrican de gasoil, pourtant sécurisé et cadenassé 🏴☠️
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Dom
Dom
bonjour et merci pour tes renseignements et toutes mes excuses pour le retard apporté à ma réponse. j'ai lu dans ton message que l'entrée du wadi rum était payante, mais peut-on tout de même y faire sa vie seul sans avoir besoin de prendre un guide?
d'autre part, j'ai un ami qui a obtenu des renseignements et il paraitrait qu'il faut un carnet de passage en douane pour la syrie et la jordanie. As-tu une confirmation ou une infirmation à ce sujet? merci d'avance. Merci aussi pour les renseignements concernant les différents sites à visiter, mais de ce coté là, j'ai déjà pas mal dégrossi mon voyage à l'aide de différents guides
et bouquins.
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jc
les "bédoinais"
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I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries? I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode? If that happens, what should I do?
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Could you help us with these different locations?
Thanks
Hi there,
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla). Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place? Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport? Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?... How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
Thanks in advance! Dominique
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !
Hi,
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
I'm about to rent a self-drive 4x4 in Mongolia. Has anyone heard of GOBI.RENT? Otherwise, do you have any tips for checking this company since there's no info on their website (e.g., registration number on the RCS)?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
I’m finalizing my trip starting from Namibia. When I arrive in Divundu, I’d like to head straight to the Khwai area early in the morning to one of the campsites in the Khwai Development Trust. Is the drive doable with a good 4x4 in a day? We’ll spend 2 nights in Khwai, then 2 or maybe 3 nights in the Moremi area (Third Bridge/Xakanaxa/Mboma) before heading back to Maun to wrap up our journey. Is that too much time to spend in each place?
We’d also like to do one or two boat excursions in the delta. Any suggestions for the best options and operators?
Thanks in advance for your tips and advice! Best, Patrick
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to explore the western part of Madagascar from May 1st to 5th, specifically to visit the Tsingy. I’ve heard different versions about the road conditions and access to the Tsingy during this time, so I’d love to hear from people who’ve actually made this trip during this time of year.
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
Have you traveled from Morondava → Tsingy between May 1st and 5th? Was the journey doable and safe? Did you have access to the Grands Tsingy, or just the Petits Tsingy?
Thanks so much for your feedback—it’ll really help me get a clearer picture! 😊 Also, if you have any recommendations for reliable and experienced driver-guides, I’d love to hear them. Thanks again!
