Visa expiré depuis 6 heures au Japon
by Mengs
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour, je suis au Japon pour un séjour de 3 mois, mais 3 mois ça ne fait pas 90 jours, manque de professionnalisme de mon voyagiste qui m'a vendu un billet pour 3 mois. Je viens de découvrir qu'il a très mauvaise presse et des pratiques douteuses....impossible de le joindre pour une modification de billet.
Je quitterai le territoire japonais, 6 heures après l'expiration de mon visa.
Est- ce grave? Est- ce que le visa est contrôlé à la sortie du territoire? Que dois- je faire?
Je vous remercie pour votre aide.
"Ce que je fais m'apprends ce que je cherche".Soulages
Bonjour,
Malheureusement je ne peux pas vous répondre quant'aux conséquences du dépassement du délai de visa. Par contre, la chose qui m'interpelle c'est que vous rejetez la faute sur votre voyagiste, et si vous le permettez j'aimerai avoir quelques précisions. (car voyagiste, moi aussi)...
1. Si je comprends bien, votre voyagiste vous a vendu que la prestation "billet d'avion" et non un "tour organisé" pour faire simple...c'est bien juste?
2. Avez-vous demandé au voyagiste de faire le nécessaire pour vous obtenir le visa japonais, ou c'était un visa à l'arrivée ou bien vous avez vous même envoyé votre passeport aux autorités consulaires pour obtenir votre visa?
3. Quand vous avez demandé un billet de validité 3 mois, avez-vous bloqué les dates d'aller et de retour ou c'était un billet "open"?
A partir de votre complément d'information, nous allons établir les éventuelles responsabilités de votre voyagiste...
Cordialement.
Malheureusement je ne peux pas vous répondre quant'aux conséquences du dépassement du délai de visa. Par contre, la chose qui m'interpelle c'est que vous rejetez la faute sur votre voyagiste, et si vous le permettez j'aimerai avoir quelques précisions. (car voyagiste, moi aussi)...
1. Si je comprends bien, votre voyagiste vous a vendu que la prestation "billet d'avion" et non un "tour organisé" pour faire simple...c'est bien juste?
2. Avez-vous demandé au voyagiste de faire le nécessaire pour vous obtenir le visa japonais, ou c'était un visa à l'arrivée ou bien vous avez vous même envoyé votre passeport aux autorités consulaires pour obtenir votre visa?
3. Quand vous avez demandé un billet de validité 3 mois, avez-vous bloqué les dates d'aller et de retour ou c'était un billet "open"?
A partir de votre complément d'information, nous allons établir les éventuelles responsabilités de votre voyagiste...
Cordialement.
Afin d'éviter des ennuis sérieux lors de votre départ (vous serez certainement retenu dans les locaux de l'immigration pour résoudre ce problème et risque de rater votre avion), la meilleure solution serait de passer l'immigration avant que votre visa ne soit échu, quitte à attendre à l'aéroport après votre passage au contrôle des passeports et visa.
Bonjour,
D'après le site Internet du Ministère des Affaires étrangères japonais, la durée maximale de séjour pour les visiteurs français est de 3 mois, et non de 90 jours. http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/short/novisa.html
Etes-vous certaine que votre permis de séjour aura expiré au moment du départ de votre vol de retour ?
D'après le site Internet du Ministère des Affaires étrangères japonais, la durée maximale de séjour pour les visiteurs français est de 3 mois, et non de 90 jours. http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/short/novisa.html
Etes-vous certaine que votre permis de séjour aura expiré au moment du départ de votre vol de retour ?
www.thallius.com
C'est bien 90 jours et non 3 mois.
Pour mon dernier séjour, Date of permit 30 JUL 2012, until 28 OCT 2012
Idem pour les autres séjours...
Voici ce que l'on peut lire sur le site de l'Ambassade du Japon à Paris :
Les titulaires de passeport émis par les autorités françaises peuvent séjourner au Japon jusqu' à 3 mois sans visa. Cependant, une autorisation maximale de séjour de 90 jours vous sera octroyée à votre arrivée. Les personnes, souhaitant prolonger leur séjour afin de pouvoir rester 3 mois sur le territoire japonais devront, une fois sur place, obtenir une extension d'autorisation de séjour auprès du bureau de l'immigration. L'Ambassade ne saurait cependant vous assurer de l'obtention de cette extension.
Les titulaires de passeport émis par les autorités françaises peuvent séjourner au Japon jusqu' à 3 mois sans visa. Cependant, une autorisation maximale de séjour de 90 jours vous sera octroyée à votre arrivée. Les personnes, souhaitant prolonger leur séjour afin de pouvoir rester 3 mois sur le territoire japonais devront, une fois sur place, obtenir une extension d'autorisation de séjour auprès du bureau de l'immigration. L'Ambassade ne saurait cependant vous assurer de l'obtention de cette extension.
Bonjour Fexon,
Merci de m'avoir répondu.
- le voyagiste ne m'a vendu qu'un billet d'avion,
- c'était un visa à l'arrivée
- les dates d'arrivée et de retour étaient définies, mais modifiables.
Pour moi, avant de parler de la responsabilité du voyagiste, il faudrait que je puisse le joindre, or, il ne répond pas au mail, ni au téléphone, ça c'est inacceptable.
À l'ambassade, on m'a dit que c'était au voyagiste de vendre des billets entrant dans les règles de l'émigration .
À Paris lors de l'embarquement, la compagnie a vérifié les dates de la durée de mon séjour au Japon et m'a dit c'est bon.
Sauf que 3 mois ça ne fait pas 90 jours....Moi aussi je ne le savais pas....
Bien cordialement.
"Ce que je fais m'apprends ce que je cherche".Soulages
Bonsoir Thalius,
Merci pour votre réponse, c'est une question d'heures, je suis arrivée sur le sol japonais le 10/03 à 23 heures, et mon billet de retour est pour le 9 juin à 8 heures. Mon visa de visiteur temporaire expirera le 8 juin à 24 heures.
"Ce que je fais m'apprends ce que je cherche".Soulages
La solution la moins contraignante à mon avis, est de passer l'immigration avant 24:00 le 8 juin.
En ce qui me concerne, si j'étais dans cette situation, c'est ce que je ferais, comme je le dis plus haut 😛
En attendant, tu peux toujours contacter l'Ambassade du Japon à Paris pour plus de détails, ou prendre langue avec :
http://www.lyon.fr.emb-japan.go.jp/fr/
http://www.lyon.fr.emb-japan.go.jp/fr/
Bonsoir et merci pour la suggestion, je vais considérer l'attente à l'aéroport, comme une escale un peu longue.
Il faudrait que je passe les bureaux de l'immigration vers 23 heures?
"Ce que je fais m'apprends ce que je cherche".Soulages
Bonsoir et merci pour la suggestion, je vais considérer l'attente à l'aéroport, comme une escale un peu longue.
Il faudrait que je passe les bureaux de l'immigration vers 23 heures?
Absolument, mais essaye toutefois de contacter le bureau de Lyon avant ton départ pour en savoir plus.😛
Oups, je vois que tu es déjà au Japon, donc oublie mon conseil de contacter Lyon et suis plutôt celui de Flexon de te rendre avant ton départ aux bureaux de l'immigration à Tokyo. Sorry !
Absolument, mais essaye toutefois de contacter le bureau de Lyon avant ton départ pour en savoir plus.😛
Oups, je vois que tu es déjà au Japon, donc oublie mon conseil de contacter Lyon et suis plutôt celui de Flexon de te rendre avant ton départ aux bureaux de l'immigration à Tokyo. Sorry !
Bonjour,
En ce qui concerne votre petit problème, je pense que toutes les solutions ont été évoquées à savoir, soit la possibilité d'aller dans un bureau d'immigration vous faire prolonger d'un jour votre "exemption de visa" (car vous avez largement le temps) soit de passer les formalités douanières de sortie du territoire japonais avant les minuit de la nuit du 8 au 9 juin.
Quand à l'affirmation de l'Ambassade qu'il incombait au voyagiste de vous vendre un billet d'avion entrant dans les règles de l'immigration est fausse.
Le client est responsable d'avoir les documents d'identité nécessaires et d'une durée de validité suffisante pour pouvoir franchir les frontières. De plus il incombe aussi au client la responsabilité d'obtenir les visas nécessaires pour effectuer son voyage... En d'autres termes, le voyagiste la responsabilité du voyagiste n'est pas engagée dans votre cas... Par contre, cela démontre que c'est un mauvais agent de voyages (à moins que vous avez acheté votre billet sur internet et pas dans une agence de voyage qui a pignon sur rue) car, tout bon professionnel qu'il est, il aurait du savoir que l'exemption de visa pour le japon était de 90 jours et vous aurait du vous poser la question "en ce qui concerne les formalités d'entrées, vous êtes en ordre?"... Car ce que j'ai pu lire, il est possible de demander un visa aux autorités japonaises supérieures à 90 jours....donc il vous aurait bien pu vous vendre un billet d'avion valable 6 mois sans engagement de sa responsabilité.
Ne pensez-vous pas que votre voyagiste est injoignable du fait que nous sommes le week-end?
Je vous souhaite une bonne fin de séjour au Japon.
Cordialement.
En ce qui concerne votre petit problème, je pense que toutes les solutions ont été évoquées à savoir, soit la possibilité d'aller dans un bureau d'immigration vous faire prolonger d'un jour votre "exemption de visa" (car vous avez largement le temps) soit de passer les formalités douanières de sortie du territoire japonais avant les minuit de la nuit du 8 au 9 juin.
Quand à l'affirmation de l'Ambassade qu'il incombait au voyagiste de vous vendre un billet d'avion entrant dans les règles de l'immigration est fausse.
Le client est responsable d'avoir les documents d'identité nécessaires et d'une durée de validité suffisante pour pouvoir franchir les frontières. De plus il incombe aussi au client la responsabilité d'obtenir les visas nécessaires pour effectuer son voyage... En d'autres termes, le voyagiste la responsabilité du voyagiste n'est pas engagée dans votre cas... Par contre, cela démontre que c'est un mauvais agent de voyages (à moins que vous avez acheté votre billet sur internet et pas dans une agence de voyage qui a pignon sur rue) car, tout bon professionnel qu'il est, il aurait du savoir que l'exemption de visa pour le japon était de 90 jours et vous aurait du vous poser la question "en ce qui concerne les formalités d'entrées, vous êtes en ordre?"... Car ce que j'ai pu lire, il est possible de demander un visa aux autorités japonaises supérieures à 90 jours....donc il vous aurait bien pu vous vendre un billet d'avion valable 6 mois sans engagement de sa responsabilité.
Ne pensez-vous pas que votre voyagiste est injoignable du fait que nous sommes le week-end?
Je vous souhaite une bonne fin de séjour au Japon.
Cordialement.
Merci à vous tous
et à vous Fexton, pour ces éclaircissements....
La solution proposée par un guide français:" pas de problème, au retour, en quittant le territoire, ils ne regardent pas les passeports...", s'avère être très risquée.
Oui, j'ai acheté mon billet par internet, je n'ai pas été vigilante, un peu pressée, je n'ai pas vérifié la fiabilité de ce site, et maintenant je découvre son incompétence ....au travers des commentaires le concernant.
J'ai essayé de le contacter plusieurs fois, plusieurs jours, hors week-end, je n'ai jamais eu personne en ligne....
Je garderai donc mon billet tel qu'il est, je passerai en zone de transit le 8/06 avant 24 heures.....
J'espère que je n'aurai pas un problème de santé qui m'obligerai à rentrer en France plutôt car je me retrouverai dans la même galère....avec un billet à ma charge.
Grâce à vous, ce petit problème est classé.
Bref....pas grave...
Cordialement
"Ce que je fais m'apprends ce que je cherche".Soulages
La solution proposée par un guide français:" pas de problème, au retour, en quittant le territoire, ils ne regardent pas les passeports...", s'avère être très risquée.
Je pense malgré tout que le risque est très faible. Même s'ils s'en aperçoivent, il y a de grandes chances qu'ils ferment les yeux. Et puis, sinon, que feront-ils ? T'expulser ? Tu quittes déjà le territoire japonais...
Ce serait dommage de gâcher le séjour pour ça. Un petit tour à l'ambassade pourrait te rassurer.
Et je reviens sur le passage anticipé en douane. À NRT, il me semble qu'il est avant l'enregistrement des bagages, mais ce ne serait pas forcément possible dans un autre aéroport.
Je pense malgré tout que le risque est très faible. Même s'ils s'en aperçoivent, il y a de grandes chances qu'ils ferment les yeux. Et puis, sinon, que feront-ils ? T'expulser ? Tu quittes déjà le territoire japonais...
Ce serait dommage de gâcher le séjour pour ça. Un petit tour à l'ambassade pourrait te rassurer.
Et je reviens sur le passage anticipé en douane. À NRT, il me semble qu'il est avant l'enregistrement des bagages, mais ce ne serait pas forcément possible dans un autre aéroport.
Merci Masterpo,
Tu penses bien qu'à l'ambassade il ne vont pas me conseiller un tel plan, ils m'ont dit soit vous échangez votre billet, soit vous demandez une prolongation de visa.
Le guide francophone a eu la même réflexion que toi..." Tu pars, alors...ils ne vont pas t'expulser....
Je pars de Hanaeda....chaque aéroport a son processus propre...??
"Ce que je fais m'apprends ce que je cherche".Soulages
Pourquoi continues-tu à poser cette question ??? il me semble que plusieurs d'entre nous t'ont donné les réponses à ton problème et puisque tu es déjà au Japon, je ne comprends pas très bien pourquoi tu ne te rends pas à l'immigration pour demander des précisions quant à ce dépassement de quelques heures et, le cas échéant, demander un "prolongation" pour ces quelques heures.
Ton départ n'étant que le 8 juin, tu as tout le temps 😉
Ton départ n'étant que le 8 juin, tu as tout le temps 😉
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The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.






