Mon mari et moi aimerions aller en Egypte mais nous ne savons pas qui offre les meilleurs voyages organisés...Nous aimons les voyages où on ne change pas d'Hôtel à tous les jours (style 1 semaine de croisière et 2-3 jours à chaque Hôtel.) Nous partirions de Montréal entre janvier et juin 2012 pour un séjour de 2 semaines environ. L'aspect sécurité est très important pour nous. Merci de nous répondre.
Voyage organisé de deux semaines en Égypte en 2012
by 3mousses
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Bonjour,
Mon mari et moi aimerions aller en Egypte mais nous ne savons pas qui offre les meilleurs voyages organisés...Nous aimons les voyages où on ne change pas d'Hôtel à tous les jours (style 1 semaine de croisière et 2-3 jours à chaque Hôtel.) Nous partirions de Montréal entre janvier et juin 2012 pour un séjour de 2 semaines environ. L'aspect sécurité est très important pour nous. Merci de nous répondre.
Mon mari et moi aimerions aller en Egypte mais nous ne savons pas qui offre les meilleurs voyages organisés...Nous aimons les voyages où on ne change pas d'Hôtel à tous les jours (style 1 semaine de croisière et 2-3 jours à chaque Hôtel.) Nous partirions de Montréal entre janvier et juin 2012 pour un séjour de 2 semaines environ. L'aspect sécurité est très important pour nous. Merci de nous répondre.
pour répondre à votre question, qui offre les meilleurs voyages organisés?
ben..personne à part vous! Tous les TO ou presque proposeront en priorité une croisière sur un gros bateau, illusion de luxe. Le mieux, pour éviter tout cela, est un programme individuel, à la carte, avec guide indépendant d'une agence que vosu choisissez en fonction de vos attentes (passion culture ou bien architecture ou bien nature...) Le meilleur prix? c'est celui qui vous donnera pour votre budget le meilleur pour vous, pas pour les 50 autres personnes du bateau ou du bus. Un TO est une entreprise commerciale et votre interêt n'est pas forcément le sien. Donc, vous pouvez parfaitement vous en passer, même pour un premier voyage car l'egypte est un pays facile. Pour une belle croisère, évitez les gros bateaux même 5*, ils puent et sont bruyants car ils sont en fait le moyen de transport le plus efficace pour trimballer en troupeau des touristes d'un point à un autre en les rendant captifs ce qui permet de les rançonner au passage en leur facturant tout et n'importe quoi, comme l'eau potable à bord. et puis les visites des magasins qui s'éternisent quand les temples sont bâcles au pas de charge.
choisissez votre avion, à une heure qui vous convient et non pas l'avion du TO qui volent à des heures incroyables parce que c'est moins cher, enfin pour lui, pas pour vous. on peut se passer du bus du TO, on peut visiter des endroits magnifiques en étant presque tout seul...
le TO c'est une solution de facilité qui n'est même pas économique. En parcourant le forum, vous pourrez trouver plein d'infos intéressantes. faites d'abord un petite lecture, histoire de décider par vous même de ce que vous attendez de ce pays et de ce que vous voulez voir ou faire dans le temps donné.
Ensuite, vous pouvez me contacter en messagerie privée si vous souhaitez plus d'infos, nous avons fait un voyage magnifique de 15 jours, cela peut déjà vous donner une idée de ce qui est possible.
ben..personne à part vous! Tous les TO ou presque proposeront en priorité une croisière sur un gros bateau, illusion de luxe. Le mieux, pour éviter tout cela, est un programme individuel, à la carte, avec guide indépendant d'une agence que vosu choisissez en fonction de vos attentes (passion culture ou bien architecture ou bien nature...) Le meilleur prix? c'est celui qui vous donnera pour votre budget le meilleur pour vous, pas pour les 50 autres personnes du bateau ou du bus. Un TO est une entreprise commerciale et votre interêt n'est pas forcément le sien. Donc, vous pouvez parfaitement vous en passer, même pour un premier voyage car l'egypte est un pays facile. Pour une belle croisère, évitez les gros bateaux même 5*, ils puent et sont bruyants car ils sont en fait le moyen de transport le plus efficace pour trimballer en troupeau des touristes d'un point à un autre en les rendant captifs ce qui permet de les rançonner au passage en leur facturant tout et n'importe quoi, comme l'eau potable à bord. et puis les visites des magasins qui s'éternisent quand les temples sont bâcles au pas de charge.
choisissez votre avion, à une heure qui vous convient et non pas l'avion du TO qui volent à des heures incroyables parce que c'est moins cher, enfin pour lui, pas pour vous. on peut se passer du bus du TO, on peut visiter des endroits magnifiques en étant presque tout seul...
le TO c'est une solution de facilité qui n'est même pas économique. En parcourant le forum, vous pourrez trouver plein d'infos intéressantes. faites d'abord un petite lecture, histoire de décider par vous même de ce que vous attendez de ce pays et de ce que vous voulez voir ou faire dans le temps donné.
Ensuite, vous pouvez me contacter en messagerie privée si vous souhaitez plus d'infos, nous avons fait un voyage magnifique de 15 jours, cela peut déjà vous donner une idée de ce qui est possible.
bonjour,
Aujourd'hui la majorité des TO propose des croisières sur le nil avec ou sans prolongation sur le Caire et/ou sur la mer rouge, donc très peu de changement d'hébergement. Depuis le Caire, Alexandrie ce fait dans la journée sans changement d'hotel. Les croisières durent environ 7 jours sans changement de bateau, donc de logement. Les bateaux sur le nil sont composés environ de 50 à 70 chambres. En 2 semaines vous pouvez faire Le caire + croisière + la mer rouge (préférer la cote du coté de Hurghada plutot que Sherm (trop de monde). La sécurité est très importante, convoi sur les routes en plein désert, police présente partout. Le risque zéro n'existe pas. Pour les images qui donne envi, allez sur mon blog.
Aujourd'hui la majorité des TO propose des croisières sur le nil avec ou sans prolongation sur le Caire et/ou sur la mer rouge, donc très peu de changement d'hébergement. Depuis le Caire, Alexandrie ce fait dans la journée sans changement d'hotel. Les croisières durent environ 7 jours sans changement de bateau, donc de logement. Les bateaux sur le nil sont composés environ de 50 à 70 chambres. En 2 semaines vous pouvez faire Le caire + croisière + la mer rouge (préférer la cote du coté de Hurghada plutot que Sherm (trop de monde). La sécurité est très importante, convoi sur les routes en plein désert, police présente partout. Le risque zéro n'existe pas. Pour les images qui donne envi, allez sur mon blog.
😉 Viens voyager sur mon site http://la.descente.du.nil.over-blog.fr/ ou http://photosdevoyageautourdumonde.fr
au contraire, ne vous découragez pas. On vous dit simplement qu'il y a bien mieux qu'un TO qui vous vendra un tour cher et pas au mieux pour vous.
Ce pays est magnifique, les gens sont très sympas, ce que vous verrez est époustouflant.
connectez vous par exemple sur le site des Greements du Nil, c'est déjà du rêve de croisière, rien qu'en regardant l'écran...et en plus c'est à portée de bourse.
connectez vous par exemple sur le site des Greements du Nil, c'est déjà du rêve de croisière, rien qu'en regardant l'écran...et en plus c'est à portée de bourse.
Ne change surtout pas de destination, lafleur pourri le forum avec ses réclamations, j'ai fait la même croisière que lui sans aucun problème, c'est même au cours de cette croisière que je suis tombée amoureuse de l'égypte, 5 séjours depuis.
Je sais que mon blog n'est pas fini mais il traite déja de toute la région couverte par les croisières, avec de nombreuses photos et des info pratiques.
😉 Viens voyager sur mon site http://la.descente.du.nil.over-blog.fr/ ou http://photosdevoyageautourdumonde.fr
Bonjour ,
Le récit précédent est une suite de mésaventures qui n'arrivent ps tous les jours ! Il n'est pas représentatif de tous les voyages dans ce pays .
De plus , c'est un bon exemple de voyage organisé qui a mal tourné , comme la plupart hélàs .
Nous sommes tous deux d'un 'certain' âge , aimons un certain confort sans détester l'aventure et allons tous les ans en Egypte depuis 7 ans( Le Caire , Vallée du Nil) ; nous y avons emmené cette année nos 2 petits-enfants de 2 et 6 ans , tout ça en individuel et sans aucun problème ( sécurité , hygiène ) : c'est vous dire qu'il est possible de combiner un voyage dans ce pays magnifique sans stress et sans courir comme des fous d'un site à un autre .
Si vous disposez d'un certain budget , je peux aussi vous donner en m p des références de certains organisateurs .
Nous avons choisi le voyage individuel car nous tenons à notre liberté et aussi parce que , au-delà de l'Egypte des pharaons , nous avons apprécié de rencontrer des égyptiens du XXI ème siècle et d'avoir avec certains des relations autres que les clichés 'Bakchich' , ... Faites de beaux projets !
Nous sommes tous deux d'un 'certain' âge , aimons un certain confort sans détester l'aventure et allons tous les ans en Egypte depuis 7 ans( Le Caire , Vallée du Nil) ; nous y avons emmené cette année nos 2 petits-enfants de 2 et 6 ans , tout ça en individuel et sans aucun problème ( sécurité , hygiène ) : c'est vous dire qu'il est possible de combiner un voyage dans ce pays magnifique sans stress et sans courir comme des fous d'un site à un autre .
Si vous disposez d'un certain budget , je peux aussi vous donner en m p des références de certains organisateurs .
Nous avons choisi le voyage individuel car nous tenons à notre liberté et aussi parce que , au-delà de l'Egypte des pharaons , nous avons apprécié de rencontrer des égyptiens du XXI ème siècle et d'avoir avec certains des relations autres que les clichés 'Bakchich' , ... Faites de beaux projets !
Brigitte
Comme Anacrouse et Brigitte42, nous avons fait deux sejours en Egypte sans TO, dont 2 semaines dans la vallee du Nil avec des guides locaux, des organisations locales (4 jours magiques sur la dahabeya des Greements du Nil recommandes par Anacrouse).
Quatre jours par ci, quatre jours par la, a notre rythme .... La meilleure facon de decouvrir l'Egypte mais aussi les quatre coins du monde .... quand un volcan n'empeche pas les avions de prendre l'air ;-))))
Bonne recherche
difi
Bonne recherche
difi
Avoir des rêves assez grands pour ne pas les perdre de vue pendant qu'on les poursuit (F.S.Fitzgerald)
Bonjour , je vois que vous vous y prenez bien à temps !
Donc , la 1ère chose à déterminer , c'est de voir si vous préférez un voyage clé sur porte , tout organisé et à mettre au point avec une agence ou un voyage individuel , où vous gérez vous - mêmes vos déplacements, choisissez vos hôtels( sans la mention : ou similaires ...) et le nombre de jours que vous consacrez à chaque ville .
Pour moi , c'est la 2ème formule ( après 1 essai où je me suis sentie poussée à aller vite, plus vite... pour garder du temps dans les magasins !); dans ce cas , nous réservons , de Belgique , un vol et un ou plusieurs hôtels ( le Caire , Luxor et/ou Assouan) en petit-déjeûner , prenons des vols intérieurs et des taxis , felouques ou ... nos pieds pour rayonner aux alentours . C'est faisable sans aucun problème , à condition de parler un anglais basique et d'aimer préparer soi-même à l'avance , avec un (des !!) guides - papier et l'aide des internautes . Les Egyptiens sont, en général très serviables et gentils si on va au delà du rapport à l'argent-mendicité qu'entretiennent beaucoup de guides .
En voyage organisé , si vous pouvez y consacrer un certain budget , je vous donne en mail privé quelques idées , non pas d'agences ou de T O , mais de bâteaux sur le Nil ou le Lac Nasser . Vous les retrouverez sur le net , ainsi que les agences qui leqs distribuent . Il existe aussi sur le Nil de plus petites embarcations , les dahabeya, plus sympa et qui ne suivent pas les escales habituelles , où on se retrouve à 500 sur un site .
Réfléchissez à la formule ; ce n'est pas la sécurité qui doit vous faire choisir l'un plutôt que l'autre !
Bons projets .
Pour moi , c'est la 2ème formule ( après 1 essai où je me suis sentie poussée à aller vite, plus vite... pour garder du temps dans les magasins !); dans ce cas , nous réservons , de Belgique , un vol et un ou plusieurs hôtels ( le Caire , Luxor et/ou Assouan) en petit-déjeûner , prenons des vols intérieurs et des taxis , felouques ou ... nos pieds pour rayonner aux alentours . C'est faisable sans aucun problème , à condition de parler un anglais basique et d'aimer préparer soi-même à l'avance , avec un (des !!) guides - papier et l'aide des internautes . Les Egyptiens sont, en général très serviables et gentils si on va au delà du rapport à l'argent-mendicité qu'entretiennent beaucoup de guides .
En voyage organisé , si vous pouvez y consacrer un certain budget , je vous donne en mail privé quelques idées , non pas d'agences ou de T O , mais de bâteaux sur le Nil ou le Lac Nasser . Vous les retrouverez sur le net , ainsi que les agences qui leqs distribuent . Il existe aussi sur le Nil de plus petites embarcations , les dahabeya, plus sympa et qui ne suivent pas les escales habituelles , où on se retrouve à 500 sur un site .
Réfléchissez à la formule ; ce n'est pas la sécurité qui doit vous faire choisir l'un plutôt que l'autre !
Bons projets .
Brigitte
Salut Anacrouse
J'ai bien recu ton "guide" sur les 15 jours en Egypte que j'ai dévoré dès reception. Je suis déjà allé en Egypte 3 fois (tjrs sans TO) mais je n'ai jamais fait le sud. J'ai trouvé tres pertinent tes conseils sur le Caire. Et j'avoue que ton fichier est une vraie mine d'information quant à l'organisation d'un sejour.
Merci pour ta précieuse aide.
A bientot
J'ai bien recu ton "guide" sur les 15 jours en Egypte que j'ai dévoré dès reception. Je suis déjà allé en Egypte 3 fois (tjrs sans TO) mais je n'ai jamais fait le sud. J'ai trouvé tres pertinent tes conseils sur le Caire. Et j'avoue que ton fichier est une vraie mine d'information quant à l'organisation d'un sejour.
Merci pour ta précieuse aide.
A bientot
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Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!




