Bonjour, je voudrais témoigner de ma mésaventure et conseiller aux rando et vttistes de fuir la station de valberg, 06.
Hier avec mon mari, nous avons fait une rando vtt recommandée dans le livret touristique :le tour du raton, paysages splendides, proche de la station, difficultés faibles.
Apres le col du raton, on passe devant une grange de berger, il y a un troupeau de moutons et l'on voit 2 patous. On s'approche lentement, à pied, vélo à la main pour pouvoir passer sur le côté du troupeau.
Alors, de la grange sort en courant et aboyant un énorme chien noir et blanc (pas un patou, ni un collie, poil ras, et taille impressionnante) qui fonce sur nous... Le berger sort de la grange et le rappelle mollement :viens ici ", puis rentre dans son antre... Le chien n'obéit pas, et arrive à qq mètres, très menaçant. On met nos vélo e en protection entre lui et nous, ce qui a pour effet de le stopper. Mais il continue à Àvancer en grondant, toutes dents dehors... En nous poussant vers les patous qui étaient immobiles, aboyant devant leur troupeau, en protection, comme c'est leur travail. Ne voyant pas d'issue, je crie :"au secours, au secours, le berger, venez nous aider à passer ! "...plusieurs minutes passent... Le chien est de plus en plus menaçant, et les patous simplement protégeant leur troupeau, immobiles.
Le berger ne sortira pas, cette ordure... En entendant une voix de femme appeler au secours.... Serions nous tombés sur le psychopathe de valberg qui dresse ses chiens à attaquer les randonneurs. .?
On s'est finalement jeté en contrebas du chemin pour fuir, heureusement pas poursuivi par le molosse...pas mordus mais La trouille de ma vie.... Et furieux contre le berger.
De retour à la station, on va raconter ça à l'office de tourisme de valberg, petite station familiale, beaucoup d'enfants sur les sentiers.
On nous répond que ce berger est connu, que ça n'est pas la première fois, et d'aller le dire à la gendarmerie. La femme gendarme m'a écouté d'un air gené, en me confirmant que ce berger était connu et que çest déjà arrivé... Voilà voilà.... Visiblement elle espérait que je ne porte pas plainte contre le berger pour non assistance à personne en danger.
Apparemment, ils attendent qu'un enfant se fasse bouffer....?
Après m'être renseignée, Je suis estomaquée d’apprendre que les bergers reçoivent des subventions du conseil général (nos impôts...) pour "s’équiper" en patous en contrepartie de la réintroduction du loup.
Certains cherchent à causer des problèmes aux randonneurs pour avoir des arguments contre le loup, style :on est obligé d’avoir des chiens dangereux et agressifs, voyez, ils attaquent les gens.
Cette attitude me semble limite... L’attitude des autorités de valberg (cf mon récit à la gendarmerie) me semble limite aussi, et sont apparemment bien conscients du problème, mais aucun intention de le régler....
Apparemment tout le monde se serre les coudes pour couvrir ce berger qui semble avoir dresse ce chien qui n’est pas un patou, à attaquer les promeneurs sans relation aucune avec la protection d’un troupeau.
Je pense qu'il faut alerter un max de gens (presse, réseaux sociaux) pour boycotter les stations de montagne qui ont cette politique. Peut-être qu’en ayant une pénurie touristique l’été ils changeront d’attitude.
Si vous tenez à vos enfants, ou simplement à vos fesses, fuyez valberg,06, ou on laisse un chien dangereux attaquer les promeneurs.
Marie
Les problèmes avec les chiens de berger sont légion et finissent, la plupart du temps, toujours bien... à part la peur qu'ils génèrent. Nul besoin de tant de passion (haine?) vis à vis d'un chien qui n'a fait que son boulot et d'un berger qui n'a que faire des citadins qui traversent son coin.
Si vous marchiez (ou pédaliez) dans les Monts Kaçkar turcs, proches frontière Géorgienne pour situer, vous verriez ce que c'est qu'un chien Kangal, plus gros qu'un patou et qui fait son travail.
Là, vous n'allez pas du tout approcher le troupeau de moutons, vous faites un très très large détour.
Sur mes divers pèlerinages vers Compostelle, sur des Chemins différents, j'ai eu à affronter ce genre de situation, certes préoccupante et stressante, mais gérable. Près de Pamiers, Ariège, j'ai eu sur la petite route à passer un endroit où deux patous attendaient le passant, l'un avec une grosse chaîne brisée autour du cou, l'autre montrant les dents et personne à appeler pour de l'aide... Un peu plus loin ce jour là un petit roquet très très agressif nous a suivi pendant cinquante mètres tous crocs dehors... la caravane est passée.Nombreuses mésaventures en Espagne aussi.
Il y a nombre de recettes pour gérer ces situations mais surtout rester calme. Le chien le sent !
Enfin, Valberg ne mérite pas la mauvaise publicité que vous tentez de lui faire. C'est un coin que je connais bien et bien tranquille, à quelques exceptions près, bien sûr...On y fait de superbes balades.
On sent une grande peur et méconnaissance des chiens chez cette personne.
Alors une rencontre avec un chien qui protège son troupeau en montrant une certaine agressivité et c'est le drame.
Le vol est trop important dans un voyage pour ne regarder que le prix.
je ne suis pas sur du tout que ce soit un problème de peur/méconnaissance des chiens. Une guide de montagne dans la Vanoise m'a donné exactement la même explication que celle donnée dans le premier message à propos de chiens de bergers dangereux:
"Certains (bergers) cherchent à causer des problèmes aux randonneurs pour avoir des arguments contre le loup, style :on est obligé d’avoir des chiens dangereux et agressifs, voyez, ils attaquent les gens. "
"Certains (bergers) cherchent à causer des problèmes aux randonneurs pour avoir des arguments contre le loup, style :on est obligé d’avoir des chiens dangereux et agressifs, voyez, ils attaquent les gens. "
je ne vois pas le lien entre les chiens dangereux, les randonneurs et les loups.
en quoi les agressions de chiens contre les randonneurs aident-ils les bergers /loups. ????
pour obliger les pouvoirs publics à renoncer à leur politique en faveur des loups ? une soprte de chantage ?
C'est ça, une sorte de chantage avec ce genre de raisonnement:
"regardez toutes les nuisances/dangers dus aux mesures de protection (chiens) des troupeaux contre les loups. La solution la plus simple à ces problèmes ? Supprimer les loups".
Un chien de garde est toujours dangereux quelque soit la race et l'on ne peut pas clôturer toute la montagne.. La randonnée pédestre ou même sur petite route en vélouelques expériences en Grèce à ce sujet... Suppose le minimum: ne pas paniquer ou craindre l'animal et surtout passer au large... Reste que certains pseudo bergers sont un peu crétins
Mais le risque d'être à la merci de ce hé genre d'individus existe aussi sur la route ou partout ailleurs..
J'ai fait une rando dernièrement et je suis passée à proximité d'un troupeau avec 5 patous. 2 sont venus vers moi en aboyant et en m'approchant , ils ont arrêté d'aboyer et ont continué leur chemin et moi le mien. Je n'ai pas peur des chiens, je les aime et je pense qu'ils le sentent. Idem sur les différents chemins de grande randonnée que j'ai pu faire à travers la France.
Si je suis avec quelqu'un qui a peur des chiens (comme sur Compostelle par exemple) systématiquement les chiens allaient vers cette personne et me laissaient tranquille.
Il s'agit d'un problème (isolé) de chien mais dire que la station de Valberg est dangereuse et qu'il faut boycotter les stations de montagne ou se trouveraient des patous, c'est plus qu'abusif. Si dans le 06, il y a un coin dangereux, c'est plus bas au bord de la mer mais pas en montagne.
Pour information, les éleveurs sont indemnisés chaque fois qu'un mouton est égorgé par un loup et ça côute de plus en plus cher à l'état car de plus en plus de loups. Les patous réduisent les attaques même s'ils ne les empêchent pas totalement. Mais s'il n'y avait pas de chiens, ça couterait encore plus cher à l'état. L'état a fait un choix donc il doit assumer les dégâts.
Tout ce qui a été perdu dans la plaine, tu le retrouveras dans les montagnes. Proverbe géorgien.
Alors il s'avère que ce chien serait un berger d'anatolie, incontrôlable, il est connu des gens du coin qui évitent l endroit, a déjà attaqué, mordu.et que les gendarmes "n'ont pas de solution"......? Cf discussion "danger à Valberg" sur vtt tour. Bref, évitez valberg.
Hi everyone,
I’m leaving on Monday, August 3rd for my very first long-distance trek: the GR223 from Coutances to Mont Saint-Michel, over 6-7 days (~11-14 miles/day), solo.
I’m looking for tips from people who know this section well (Coutances → Regnéville-sur-Mer → Hauteville-sur-Mer → Bréhal → Granville → Genêts → bay crossing):
Budget-friendly accommodations: I’m struggling to find affordable stopover lodgings (a lot of what I find online are expensive vacation rentals, not really suited for a solo hiker). If you have any great spots (hostels, hiker-friendly B&Bs, nice campgrounds), I’d love to hear them!
Bay crossing: Any feedback on guides/providers leaving from Genêts for the final crossing?
General tips for a first long-distance trek: What you wish you’d known before your first time, pitfalls to avoid, etc.
Hi,
We’re planning to do the 4-day trek from Mestia to Ushguli without an agency. The descriptions mention that there are accommodations at each stop, but we can’t find any details about them. Has anyone got info or feedback on this route?
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
New to this forum, I’m planning a pretty big project for 2028.
I’m heading to Nepal to do a trek from Kathmandu all the way to Everest Base Camp (a cool 5,300 m 😄).
This trek is a bit special because even though I’ll be part of a group, I’m going solo (so far, no problem—I’m used to it). But it’s my first real trek, and it’s also a humanitarian one: once I reach base camp, I’ll stay an extra week to help clean up the waste left by tens of thousands of climbers! Since I’m originally from South America, from two countries that share the Andes, I have a deep respect for mountains—they fascinate me. So Everest… it’s kind of the trip of a lifetime!
So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
We're planning to trek in Peru and Bolivia and would love to find some local agencies.
If you know any, could you share details on prices and, of course, the names of the agencies?
Which trek would you recommend?
Elocine
I'm heading out on a fully self-sufficient trek in Morocco (10 days) from Imilchil to Aghbalou.
Can I find screw-on gas canisters (Coleman, Primus) in Marrakech (any addresses?) or in villages between Imilchil and Aghbalou?
If not, are Butagaz canisters for camping gas (small 230g size) available?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello, I’d like to embark on a little trip in my home country, Switzerland. I’ll start walking from La Cure, heading toward Le Noirmont first, then I’ll improvise my route—but it’ll probably follow the French border... at least as far as Lac de Joux.
I’ll decide day by day how much farther to go after that. My goal is to stay in nature as much as possible, wander around for as long as I can, and restock food in villages or towns along the way.
I’m thinking of mostly camping, but we’ll see if I end up in a hotel or another campsite depending on my route.
I’d love to reach La Chaux-de-Fonds on foot... maybe even Delémont.
The whole thing should take about a week, give or take.
I’ll be bringing my dog, and I’m preparing for this as soon as I’m ready.
Any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly for us? Things I should know—or avoid? What about shepherds with their flocks of sheep? And isn’t hunting season open right now?
I’m not sure if what I’m planning is even doable, which is why I’m asking around.
This’ll be my first time doing something like this—wandering in nature *and* with a dog. I’m really excited for this adventure... and I need it. Thanks!
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries!
Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike.
It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge.
I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle.
In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details:
We arrive in early August and leave in early September.
We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery!
We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat?
Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations.
Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July.
I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route.
Can anyone give me some info on this?
Thanks!
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there?
A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions?
For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip...
Thanks for your tips!
Have a great day,
Anie, Toulouse
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice?
Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish.
I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips?
Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina?
At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands.
Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili.
Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?)
There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4.
If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit.
if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
