Budget pour l'Égypte du 27 août au 10 septembre?
by Guerlain
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
JE PARS AVEC MA FILLE EN EGYPTE DU 27 AOUT AU 10 SEPTEMBRE
PROGRAMME:UNE SEMAINE CROISIERE SUR LE NIL AVEC LES VISITES COMPRISES SAUF ABOU SIMBEL:90E/PERS
ET 63E/PERS:VISAS+SERVICE PERSONNEL
PUIS UNE SEMAINE AU GORGONIA EN FORMULE TOUT COMPRIS
JE VOUDRAI SAVOIR QUEL BUDGET IL ME FAUT PREVOIR (voyage deje regle) POUR CES 15 JOURS
JE SOUHAITE FAIRE UNE BALLADE EN FELLOUQUE A ASSOUAN ET UNE EN CALECHE, VISITER LE MUSEE
DE LOUXOR ET UN VILLAGE NUBIEN.
ET PUIS POURQUOI PAS RAMENER QUELQUES SOUVENIRS.JE N AI PAS LA MOINDRE IDEE DES PRIX ET
SURTOUT QUE RAMENER SANS SE FAIRE TROP ARNAQUER.
JE COMPTE AUSSI FAIRE QUELQUES RESTOS SYMPAS
MERCI DE L AIDE QUE VOUS POURREZ M APPORTER .
SHALIMAR
Bonsoir,
Avant de poster votre question, vous auriez peut être du lire la charte de voyage forum! Merci de ne plus écrire qu'en MAJUSCULE !!
Avant de poster votre question, vous auriez peut être du lire la charte de voyage forum! Merci de ne plus écrire qu'en MAJUSCULE !!
bonjour,
la promenade en caleche est plutot à faire à louxor et devrait vous couter entre 20 et 50 egp la caleche ( 2 à 4 pers si enfants avec vous) selon la durée de la promenade ( d'une petit tour centre ville et corniche à grande promenade hors ville et campagne) la promenade en felouque est plutot a faire à assouan, idem de 20 à 50 egp selon la durée de la promenade si maintenant vous voulez la coupler avec la visite des cataractes et du village nubien, je vous recommande de plutot prendre un bateau a moteur , car il y a trop de courant dans les cataractes pour permettre à une felouque de remonter le nil aussi haut que les villages, le bateau a moteur vous permettra de remonter plus loin . bateau à louer de 50 à 150 egp ...
le marchandage est bien sur de rigueur ... mais attention, gardez bien en tete que les egyptiens ont très difficile economiquement, de plus vous serez en pleine fin de ramadan, et donc ils ont plus que jamais besoin d'argent pour achetter à manger aux familles ...
si je peux me permettre, et vivant ici, et voyant les difficultés économiques majeurs dont souffrent nombreux egyptiens dans le sud , de vous inviter à ne pas trop abuser dans le marchandage ...
quand vous penserez que vous etes satisfait du prix de l'objet ou du service pour le prix décidé , arretez vous là ... vous pourrez bien sur toujours avoir moins chere .. mais à quel prix pour le travail fourni d'autre part ? et quelle valeur a cette sortie pour vous et le besoin d'argent de la personne face à vous !?? meme nous qui vivons ici , nous nous faisons toujorus avoir en allant achetter les objets dans les souks ... l'objectif etant toujorus au final de se dire qu'on est content du prix payé ... et stop , il faut arreter de penser qu'on aurait pu avoir encore moins chere , car la personne en face de vous a aussi besoin de cet argent !! donc tout relativiser dans le "juste prix" payé !!
pensez surtout et toujours à convertir en euro et vous vous rendrez compte que parfois on marchande betement pour 12 à 25 centimes d'euro (1 ou 2 EGP) ... alors que pour eux cela représente du pain pour toute une famille pour un repas !!
pour les achats, les prix sont encore moins possible à vous donner , tout ici faisant le grand écrat ... donc marchandez, tranquillement mais surement ..et arretez vous quand vous etes satisfait du prix ... laissez les venir bien sur petit à petit , en gerenal il est de convenance de couper le prix annoncé en 2 .... pour arriver aux 2/3 approx du prix annoncé au final ( et rassurez vous qu'ils connaissent les habitudes de amrchandage par nationalité !!)
les objets classiques à ramener sont : papyrus , T shirt coton, statuette pharaonique, pyramide, nappes cotton, beaucoup de pachmina maintenant dans les souks mais viennent tous des indes attention aux parfum, eviter les copies qui tachent et parfois toxique pour la peau, rester juste dans les essences de base pour parfumer les maisons ...
sinon, allez y au coup de coeur, vous ne savez jamais si vous trouverez pareil le lendemain car nombreux artisanat est très localisé ( le coton plutot kom ombo et asw) les statues plutot lxr ....
et bon voyage et merci d'avoir choisi l'Egypte ... les egyptiens plus que jamais en ont besoin !!!
NB/ Mubarak est arrivé ce matin sur son lit d'hopital à son procès au caire avec ses ex ministres !!!! il est visible en direct à la TV egyptienne, !!! on n'a jamais vu cela ici , ce procès quelque soit le verdict est historique pour les egpytiens qui n'ont jamais rien osé dire de leur reis durant 30 ans ... sous peine d'etre eux meme envoyé en prison et en proces dans cette fameuse cage ou se trouvela famille moubarak ce matin !!
la promenade en caleche est plutot à faire à louxor et devrait vous couter entre 20 et 50 egp la caleche ( 2 à 4 pers si enfants avec vous) selon la durée de la promenade ( d'une petit tour centre ville et corniche à grande promenade hors ville et campagne) la promenade en felouque est plutot a faire à assouan, idem de 20 à 50 egp selon la durée de la promenade si maintenant vous voulez la coupler avec la visite des cataractes et du village nubien, je vous recommande de plutot prendre un bateau a moteur , car il y a trop de courant dans les cataractes pour permettre à une felouque de remonter le nil aussi haut que les villages, le bateau a moteur vous permettra de remonter plus loin . bateau à louer de 50 à 150 egp ...
le marchandage est bien sur de rigueur ... mais attention, gardez bien en tete que les egyptiens ont très difficile economiquement, de plus vous serez en pleine fin de ramadan, et donc ils ont plus que jamais besoin d'argent pour achetter à manger aux familles ...
si je peux me permettre, et vivant ici, et voyant les difficultés économiques majeurs dont souffrent nombreux egyptiens dans le sud , de vous inviter à ne pas trop abuser dans le marchandage ...
quand vous penserez que vous etes satisfait du prix de l'objet ou du service pour le prix décidé , arretez vous là ... vous pourrez bien sur toujours avoir moins chere .. mais à quel prix pour le travail fourni d'autre part ? et quelle valeur a cette sortie pour vous et le besoin d'argent de la personne face à vous !?? meme nous qui vivons ici , nous nous faisons toujorus avoir en allant achetter les objets dans les souks ... l'objectif etant toujorus au final de se dire qu'on est content du prix payé ... et stop , il faut arreter de penser qu'on aurait pu avoir encore moins chere , car la personne en face de vous a aussi besoin de cet argent !! donc tout relativiser dans le "juste prix" payé !!
pensez surtout et toujours à convertir en euro et vous vous rendrez compte que parfois on marchande betement pour 12 à 25 centimes d'euro (1 ou 2 EGP) ... alors que pour eux cela représente du pain pour toute une famille pour un repas !!
pour les achats, les prix sont encore moins possible à vous donner , tout ici faisant le grand écrat ... donc marchandez, tranquillement mais surement ..et arretez vous quand vous etes satisfait du prix ... laissez les venir bien sur petit à petit , en gerenal il est de convenance de couper le prix annoncé en 2 .... pour arriver aux 2/3 approx du prix annoncé au final ( et rassurez vous qu'ils connaissent les habitudes de amrchandage par nationalité !!)
les objets classiques à ramener sont : papyrus , T shirt coton, statuette pharaonique, pyramide, nappes cotton, beaucoup de pachmina maintenant dans les souks mais viennent tous des indes attention aux parfum, eviter les copies qui tachent et parfois toxique pour la peau, rester juste dans les essences de base pour parfumer les maisons ...
sinon, allez y au coup de coeur, vous ne savez jamais si vous trouverez pareil le lendemain car nombreux artisanat est très localisé ( le coton plutot kom ombo et asw) les statues plutot lxr ....
et bon voyage et merci d'avoir choisi l'Egypte ... les egyptiens plus que jamais en ont besoin !!!
NB/ Mubarak est arrivé ce matin sur son lit d'hopital à son procès au caire avec ses ex ministres !!!! il est visible en direct à la TV egyptienne, !!! on n'a jamais vu cela ici , ce procès quelque soit le verdict est historique pour les egpytiens qui n'ont jamais rien osé dire de leur reis durant 30 ans ... sous peine d'etre eux meme envoyé en prison et en proces dans cette fameuse cage ou se trouvela famille moubarak ce matin !!
Katty
'' Merci de ne plus écrire qu'en MAJUSCULE !! '' Ou est la méchanceté dans cette phrase! Cela est une prière chère madame 😠 !
bonjour,
je ne comprend pas comment un forum supposé servir à aider les internautes de tout pays devient régulièrement un lieu de polémique à propos de tout et de rien , et surtout de choses n'ayant pas à voir avec le sujet !!
avant de polémiquer sur la forme du texte , un regard sur le profil de cette internaute "débutante sur le forum" vous aurait fait comprendre que cette personne ne semble pas habituée à poster sur des forums ou a simplement écrire sur un ordinateur ; la preuve = tout son profil est en majuscule !
Elle n'est donc pas informée qu'écrire en majuscule rend non seulement la lecture de son texte moins lisible (et moins reposant pour les yeux ) et que la majuscule est habituellement réserve à une chose à mettre en avant / en évidence = similaire à CRIER en verbal !
votre post est -de ce fait- interprété comme agressif, car il n'explique rien ...et il est même plutôt "agressif" en la renvoyant sans explication vers une charte bien rébarbative ....
... en signalant et demandant de plus EXACTEMENT L'INVERSE de ce que vous vouliez probablement exprimer sur votre post =
Merci de ne plus écrire qu'en MAJUSCULE !!
nous supposons de fait que vous souhaitez de cette internaute qu'elle n'écrive plus EN majuscule !, et non "PLUS QUE EN MAJUSCULE " !! ...
après cette explication bien plus longue il est vrai , mais plus utile j'espère, cette saura au moins pourquoi !
je ne comprend pas comment un forum supposé servir à aider les internautes de tout pays devient régulièrement un lieu de polémique à propos de tout et de rien , et surtout de choses n'ayant pas à voir avec le sujet !!
avant de polémiquer sur la forme du texte , un regard sur le profil de cette internaute "débutante sur le forum" vous aurait fait comprendre que cette personne ne semble pas habituée à poster sur des forums ou a simplement écrire sur un ordinateur ; la preuve = tout son profil est en majuscule !
Elle n'est donc pas informée qu'écrire en majuscule rend non seulement la lecture de son texte moins lisible (et moins reposant pour les yeux ) et que la majuscule est habituellement réserve à une chose à mettre en avant / en évidence = similaire à CRIER en verbal !
votre post est -de ce fait- interprété comme agressif, car il n'explique rien ...et il est même plutôt "agressif" en la renvoyant sans explication vers une charte bien rébarbative ....
... en signalant et demandant de plus EXACTEMENT L'INVERSE de ce que vous vouliez probablement exprimer sur votre post =
Merci de ne plus écrire qu'en MAJUSCULE !!
nous supposons de fait que vous souhaitez de cette internaute qu'elle n'écrive plus EN majuscule !, et non "PLUS QUE EN MAJUSCULE " !! ...
après cette explication bien plus longue il est vrai , mais plus utile j'espère, cette saura au moins pourquoi !
Katty
merci beaucoup Katty et pour la reponse à ma question et pour cette ridicule histoire de "majuscules"!!
En fait j ai l habitude d ecrire sur pc mais je n avais pas fait attention et de plus je ne pensais pas qu il y aurait une quelconque incidence!!
Enfin ce n'est pas tres grave ça a occupé un initié!!
Les explications que vous me donnees sont tres claires et tres interessantes
J ai pu comprendre en voyant certains reportages que nous risquons fort de
nous retrouvées un peu seules.
Alors qu en penser?Est ce que cela peut etre risqué?Est ce que nous pourrons acceder à tous les sites?
De toute façon je ne renonce pas!!
Donc pour revenir au sujet pricipal je pense que 1000e pour 15 jours devraient suffir
Merci encore
guerlain
SHALIMAR
nous avons été en EGYPTE récemment attention tout ce dscute ils demandent souvent 10 fois le prix, une ballade sur le nil c'est environde 10 a 20 euros.
ils sont accrocheurs ce n'est pas pensable.SURTOUT NE CEDER SUR RIEN
Bonjour
en eGYPTE la vie n est pas chere du tout, en plus le change est enfaveur 8.3L.E /1 €
AVEC 300€ VOUS POUVEZ BIEN EN PROFITER
TOUT SE NEGOCIE LORSQUE L ON VOUS DONNE UN PRIX POUR VOS SOUVENIR, DIVISER PAR 2 MINIMUM
1 bon resto pour deux c' est max 60L.E
SURTOUT NE VOUS LAISSEZ PAS TROP ACROCHEE PAR LES VENDEURS AMBULANTS
ATTENTION TAXIS IMPOSEZ DE METTRE LE COMPTEUR SINON NE PRENNEZ PAS
ATTENTION AUX FAUX GUIDE ILS DOIVENT VOUS PRESENTER LEUR CARTE OFFICIEL
ATTENTION A LA DRAGUE LE BUT EST L ARGENT ET UN VISA
ATTENTION AUX PASSEPORT ET CB😠
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AUCUN PROBLEME POUR LES TOURISTES IL Y A DEPUIS TOUJOURS UNE POLICE TOURISTIQUE PARTEZ TRANQUILLE ET BON VENT
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Re: Budget pour l'Égypte du 27 août au 10 septembre?
6 août 2011 à 16:50

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SURTOUT NE VOUS LAISSEZ PAS TROP ACROCHEE PAR LES VENDEURS AMBULANTS
ATTENTION TAXIS IMPOSEZ DE METTRE LE COMPTEUR SINON NE PRENNEZ PAS
ATTENTION AUX FAUX GUIDE ILS DOIVENT VOUS PRESENTER LEUR CARTE OFFICIEL
ATTENTION A LA DRAGUE LE BUT EST L ARGENT ET UN VISA
ATTENTION AUX PASSEPORT ET CB😠 


Pas tout compris ???😇🤪😉😛
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6 août 2011 à 16:56

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BONJOURAUCUN PROBLEME POUR LES TOURISTES IL Y A DEPUIS TOUJOURS UNE POLICE TOURISTIQUE PARTEZ TRANQUILLE ET BON VENT
16:50
Re: Budget pour l'Égypte du 27 août au 10 septembre?
6 août 2011 à 16:50

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SURTOUT NE VOUS LAISSEZ PAS TROP ACROCHEE PAR LES VENDEURS AMBULANTS
ATTENTION TAXIS IMPOSEZ DE METTRE LE COMPTEUR SINON NE PRENNEZ PAS
ATTENTION AUX FAUX GUIDE ILS DOIVENT VOUS PRESENTER LEUR CARTE OFFICIEL
ATTENTION A LA DRAGUE LE BUT EST L ARGENT ET UN VISA
ATTENTION AUX PASSEPORT ET CB😠 


Pas tout compris ???😇🤪😉😛
Pour moi les bons prix pour calèche et felouque à Louxor:
calèche, environ 20 EGP l'heure (qq soit le nombre de personne ;)) felouque, environ 30 EGP l'heure
calèche, environ 20 EGP l'heure (qq soit le nombre de personne ;)) felouque, environ 30 EGP l'heure
Salut Katty, j'ai vu que tu habite au Caire, je prévois un voyage fin décembre avec ma cousine, a ta connaissance, est ce qu'il serait possible de visiter la cité des morts? Je veux dire est ce que ce n'est pas dangereux (lors de mon dernier voyage au Caire en 2008 un chauffeur de taxi m'a déconseillé d'y aller), de même que le moqattam (apparemment il y a une vue imprenable sur le Caire vue de là bas).
Merci🙂
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!
Merci aux membres de voyageforum qui nous ont fait part de leurs expériences! Nous avons passé 3 jours formidables à "La Kasbah la Palmeraie" à Skoura. Arrivant de Marrakech (superbe route en décrochant après le col de Tichka via Telouet, Ait-Benhaddou), le séjour à la Palmeraie n'a été que du bonheur: accueil chaleureux de Mohammed et Ghizlane, délicieux petits déjeuners sur la terrasse dominant la palmeraie, (pain cuit au four en terre, crêpes au miel préparées par Ghizlane), repas du soir non moins délicieux et copieux, en famille, autour d'un bon feu. Nous nous sentions comme "chez soi" et avons beaucoup appris sur le mode de vie de la région. Les balades proposées étaient toujours intéressantes et hors des circuits touristiques de masse. De là, le vallée et les Gorges du Dades , la vallée des Amandiers (superbe!), la palmeraie. Il y a des Kasbahs magnifiques dans la région dont celle de nos hôtes. Une autre façon de "visiter" le Maroc!




