Bonjour.
C'est fait, j'ai mes billets!!😎
Je serais au Laos du 16 décembre au 4 janvier.
J'envisage une petite rando de plusieurs jours aux alentours de paksé (Saravan, Champasak..).
Je consulte un peu aussi ce qui se fait dans la zone du nord (pour ses villages notament).
Je suis donc à la recherche de carte assez précises sur ces régions (au 1/50000 par exemple).
Le but, étant d'avoir les petits chemins, et surtout les différents villages de ces régions, pour s'orienter, et se rapprocher de la population un peu plus isolée. 🙂
Connaissez vous un endroit ou acheter de tels cartes:
- En magasin sur Paris?
- En boutique en ligne (sur le web).
- Sur Ventiane, et donc à mon arrivée labas?
- Si vous en avez vous même à refourguer?
Sinon, si vous avez des conseils sur des itinéraires de rando (même en dehors des zones citées) je suis preneur (quelque chose d'accessible pour ma petite soeur que j'emmène avec moi ;)
recherche de carte assez précises sur ces régions (au 1/50000 par exemple).
Accessibles au grand public : ça n'existe pas.
En France tu trouveras, au mieux, des cartes généralistes (ITMB, etc.) au 1/1 000 000 environ minimum, et donc totalement inadaptées à la rando.
Sur place les services administratifs provinciaux (agriculture, forêts, etc.) en possèdent de très précises mais les fonctionnaires refusent catégoriquement de les céder aux étrangers. J'ai tout essayé pour en obtenir des copies, dont les pires tentatives de corruptions, y'a rien à faire. Pourquoi ? Probablement parce que c'est trop tôt, parce qu'il y a encore une volonté politique de préserver certaines populations non encore suffisamment préparées à l'arrivée de flots de touristes.
Sur le web tu peux aussi trouver des cartes américaines au 1/250 000 mais qui datent des années... 1950/60. Au mieux elles te donnent de vagues informations sur la topographie des régions traversées, car les quelques chemins et villages mentionnés ont eu le temps de disparaître et/ou transmigrer plusieurs fois depuis ce temps-là.
Bref, les cartes, il faut se les réaliser soi-même, au fur et à mesure des balades.
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une petite rando de plusieurs jours aux alentours de paksé (Saravan, Champasak..).
PS. Tu es sûr de vouloir randonner dans ces plaines du sud ? Ca va être d'un ennui monotonement mortel...
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Ben les plaines du sud que tu vises, c'est le plus souvent de la savane, ou une sorte de brousse. Très monotone et pas très vert.
Pas loin, il y a le plateau des Bolovens, beaucoup y vont et semblent apprécier. Je n'y suis jamais allé mais je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit bien adapté à la rando, peut-être plus à la moto.
Puis il y a l'extrême sud-est, l'est du Sékong ou de l'Attapeu par exemple. Là c'est montagneux, mais très reculé. Ce n'est pas vraiment adapté à un premier séjour.
Tu as visité quel coin toi?
Presque tout le nord montagneux, avec une prédilection pour l'extrême nord, la province de Pongsaly. C'est décrit ci-dessous, dans mes signatures.
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200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Si tu veux vraiment partir à l'aventure, je peux te conseiller d'aller dans le Pongsaly tout au nord, et les montagnes à la frontière vietnamienne sont absolument superbes et préservées, d'autant plus que les routes sont très souvent impraticables donc les villages sont vraiment isolés et l'idéal est de se déplacer à pied. Le principal problème est de trouver des cartes, en effet il n'y pas eu de cartes détaillées avec le nom des villages éditées depuis la colonisation, autant te dire que les villages sont changés de nom, d'emplacement, et que même les chemins sont différents. En fait tu devras te déplacer d'un village à l'autre en demandant à chaque fois ton chemin aux locaux (apprends quelques mots de vocabulaire simples...).
Tu peux remonté la rivière NAMOU depuis le village de Hat Sa. Attention, la route entre Luang Prabang et Hat Sa est souvent coupé pendant la saison des pluies.
Tu peux t'arranger avec les propriétaires de bateaux qui remontent la rivière pour approvisionner les villages isolés, ils te laisseront monter à bord si tu leur paye le carburant. Tu pourras alors descendre où tu veux le long de la rivière. Une tente peut-être utile...
Tient moi au courant si tu trouves une carte à jour, car ça m'intéresse, et puis dans le cas contraire, n'oublie pas de prendre des notes sur les emplacement et les chemins praticables quand tu sera sur place.
Un récit très intéressant sur la région à été publié sur ce site il y a quelques temps, fouille un peu tu trouvera des infos en or.
bon voyage!
Un récit très intéressant sur la région à été publié sur ce site il y a quelques temps,
Ca m'intéresserait de le lire. Pourrais-tu retrouver le lien ?
Et si tu t'intéresses à cette région de Pongsaly, dans mes signatures tu peux avoir un aperçu de mes expériences là-bas.
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PS. As-tu passé beaucoup de temps au nord de Hat Sa ? J'en reviens juste à nouveau : 3 jours de navigation en amont de Hat Sa, puis 30 jours à me promener là-haut, à l'est de Utay...
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Je suis donc à la recherche de carte assez précises sur ces régions (au 1/50000 par exemple).
Le 1/50000 faut peut être pas rèver 😉
Je ne connais pas le Laos mais il a l'air assez bien couvert par les cartes russes jusqu'au 1/200000 : http://mapstor.com/...untry-maps/laos.html
Tu peux télécharger toutes les cartes (payant mais pas très cher) ou les télécharger une par une (gratuit mais pénible)
Elles sont en cyrillique et pas toutes de première jeunesse mais la topographie est bien lisible
En cliquant tout en bas de la page du lien indiqué par Clauvis, on aboutit là :
http://en.poehali.org/maps
Tu choisis ta zone et tu télécharges, y'a pas plus simple.
Tu peux même prendre la géoréférence pour utilisation avec GPS 🙂
Par contre je n'ai pas trouvé le moyen d'en prendre une gratuitement pour voir à quoi elles ressemblent.
Une fois que tu connais les références d'une carte russe, une recherche Google avec le n° conduit parfois à des sites plus simples que Poehali et gratuits. Deux sites avec pas mal de choses trouvés au fil de mes recherches :
http://maps.vlasenko.net/ liens avec les échelles en bas à gauche de la page d'accueil
http://nav.lom.name/maps_scan/
Sur les 2 sites, les fichiers de calibration pour OziExplorer sont disponibles en plus des cartes
Merci pour ces infos.
J'ai pioché un peu dans les cartes russes pour avoir une idée de ce qui était dispo.
Le but de mon voyage n'est pas de faire une rando de 20 jours, mais de mixer entre 2 petites randos de 3/4 jours, des visites, un peu de bateau...
J'imprimerai les morceaux de cartes quand je serai exactement sur quelle secteur je vais marcher.
Par contre, d'une manière générale, je suis content des infos que vous m'avez donné, car je ne connaissais pas l'existence de ce genre de site. :)
Pour le sud du laos et le secteur que je connais bien : la province de khammouane je touve ces cartes pas très à jour, il y a eu quelques nouvelles routes goudronnées et pas mal de modifications. En plus les noms des villages sont vraiment approximatifs , ne compte pas demander ton chemin à partir de ces noms.
A mon avis le pb n'est pas là, en fait il n'y a pas de "sentier" au Laos , il y a soit des chemins non goudronnées et très poussièreux , en moto t'es couvert de poussière en 5 mn et quand un camion te double tu eternue pendant un quart d'heure...pendant la saison sèche évidemment, pendant la saison humide ça devient des bourbiers quasiment impraticables et je vois pas trop l'interet de marcher sur ces chemins et ensuite il n'y a rien que de vagues sentes qui partent en foret pour arriver en cul de sac dans un champ ou une coupe d'arbre.
L'autre pb qui fait qu'on ne trouve pas de carte c'est qu'il reste pas mal de mines de la guerre du Vietnam, surtout dans les Bolovens, un des secteurs les plus bombardé à cause de la fameuse "piste Ho Chimin" Le gouvernement du Laos a engagé des entreprises australiennes pour déminer et ils le font mais lentement...
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July.
I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route.
Can anyone give me some info on this?
Thanks!
hi how can I get internet when I arrive at Haneda? I mean in areas without free wifi. Is it more interesting to buy a SIM card? If so, at the airport? thanks for your help
We're planning to go at the end of November/beginning of December to visit (with a rental car) and hike on La Palma and El Hierro for 15 full days, including 1 day for inter-island ferry transfers. What’s the best split between the two islands—8 days on La Palma and 6 on El Hierro, or even more time for La Palma? Should we have one or two home bases on La Palma? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi there,
I’m planning to cross the Gourgs Blancs Pass at the end of the month, from La Soula Refuge to Portillon Refuge. On this section near the pass, I don’t have any trail marked on my IGN map. Is the path well signposted, or should I use a compass?
Also, beyond the physical effort, are there any technical, exposed, or vertigo-inducing sections on this part?
Since I’m finding very little info, I’m being thorough with my questions.
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
hi there
I’m heading to Uzbekistan for three weeks from mid-September to mid-October 2026—a country I haven’t visited yet.
I’d love to do a few multi-day hikes in the mountains without going through a tour operator or hiring a guide. Has anyone here done this?
It doesn’t have to be all trekking; day hikes are great too.
I’m open to any tips!
Also, I see there are lots of train options if you book well in advance—does that only apply to the "fast" trains? Are there buses as well?
Hello,
In mid-November, we’ll be in Mindelo and Santo Antão.
We’ve booked transportation with Kapverden Tours.
One trip is from Porto Novo to Ponta do Sol, including the hike from Corda to Coculi.
What’s the trail like?
Then we’ll be staying in Ponta do Sol,
Here’s what we’re planning:
A hike to Fontainhas—what’s the best direction, considering we’re not great with climbs? No problem with flat terrain or descents.
Take an aluguer to Ribeira Grande and continue along the coastal road.
With the agency:
An excursion to Cruzinha with a short walk.
Return to Porto Novo via the path from Cova to… I’m not sure where yet, to pick up the car for Porto Novo, since we’ll be taking the ferry that evening.
We’ll have a guide for this hike.
We’d love to spend a day in Tarrafal, but getting back requires a boat or taxi, and it’s really expensive!
We’re a couple, 78 and 76 years old.
What do you think of this itinerary?
Not very well known: Hokkaido Island has national parks that rival those in North America. Hiking there is free (even many mountain huts) and requires no formalities. These treks are described in the LP *Hiking in Japan* guide—you can just buy the Hokkaido PDF. It’s way better than Mount Fuji. Of course, everything depends on the weather, which is very unstable in the Japanese mountains (frequent strong winds). The trails are often obstacle courses.
The Daisetsu Zan traverse is a stunning hike through volcanic terrain with a remote section in the middle that requires at least one night of camping (there are basic huts for the rest, which is popular with Japanese hikers): 4 to 6 days.
The Shiretoko traverse takes 2 days with views including an island in Russia, but the ridge is brown bear territory—there are even more here than in Denali National Park in Alaska (brown bears and grizzlies are the same). I ran into 7 in just 6 hours of hiking!
Hi,
Since I can't take on long treks, I'd love to know if there are any nice hikes around Pokhara—or maybe in another region of Nepal. Day hikes or two-day trips would be perfect.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone,
I’m leaving on Monday, August 3rd for my very first long-distance trek: the GR223 from Coutances to Mont Saint-Michel, over 6-7 days (~11-14 miles/day), solo.
I’m looking for tips from people who know this section well (Coutances → Regnéville-sur-Mer → Hauteville-sur-Mer → Bréhal → Granville → Genêts → bay crossing):
Budget-friendly accommodations: I’m struggling to find affordable stopover lodgings (a lot of what I find online are expensive vacation rentals, not really suited for a solo hiker). If you have any great spots (hostels, hiker-friendly B&Bs, nice campgrounds), I’d love to hear them!
Bay crossing: Any feedback on guides/providers leaving from Genêts for the final crossing?
General tips for a first long-distance trek: What you wish you’d known before your first time, pitfalls to avoid, etc.
Hi,
We’re planning to do the 4-day trek from Mestia to Ushguli without an agency. The descriptions mention that there are accommodations at each stop, but we can’t find any details about them. Has anyone got info or feedback on this route?
New to this forum, I’m planning a pretty big project for 2028.
I’m heading to Nepal to do a trek from Kathmandu all the way to Everest Base Camp (a cool 5,300 m 😄).
This trek is a bit special because even though I’ll be part of a group, I’m going solo (so far, no problem—I’m used to it). But it’s my first real trek, and it’s also a humanitarian one: once I reach base camp, I’ll stay an extra week to help clean up the waste left by tens of thousands of climbers! Since I’m originally from South America, from two countries that share the Andes, I have a deep respect for mountains—they fascinate me. So Everest… it’s kind of the trip of a lifetime!
So, a little question for those who’ve done treks to Everest before… any tips for good mental preparation (I’m already working on the physical side)?
We're planning to trek in Peru and Bolivia and would love to find some local agencies.
If you know any, could you share details on prices and, of course, the names of the agencies?
Which trek would you recommend?
Elocine
I'm heading out on a fully self-sufficient trek in Morocco (10 days) from Imilchil to Aghbalou.
Can I find screw-on gas canisters (Coleman, Primus) in Marrakech (any addresses?) or in villages between Imilchil and Aghbalou?
If not, are Butagaz canisters for camping gas (small 230g size) available?
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello, I’d like to embark on a little trip in my home country, Switzerland. I’ll start walking from La Cure, heading toward Le Noirmont first, then I’ll improvise my route—but it’ll probably follow the French border... at least as far as Lac de Joux.
I’ll decide day by day how much farther to go after that. My goal is to stay in nature as much as possible, wander around for as long as I can, and restock food in villages or towns along the way.
I’m thinking of mostly camping, but we’ll see if I end up in a hotel or another campsite depending on my route.
I’d love to reach La Chaux-de-Fonds on foot... maybe even Delémont.
The whole thing should take about a week, give or take.
I’ll be bringing my dog, and I’m preparing for this as soon as I’m ready.
Any tips to make sure everything goes smoothly for us? Things I should know—or avoid? What about shepherds with their flocks of sheep? And isn’t hunting season open right now?
I’m not sure if what I’m planning is even doable, which is why I’m asking around.
This’ll be my first time doing something like this—wandering in nature *and* with a dog. I’m really excited for this adventure... and I need it. Thanks!
We’re really keen on ecosystems and want to hike in "natural" ancient forests—not planted woods or areas heavily degraded by human activity. Travel guides (like Lonely Planet) don’t provide much info on this. Could you point us to the most interesting spots?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
We wish you happy holidays and a fantastic 2026, full of discoveries!
Claire and Albert
Hi, this might not be the right section, but I’d like to know if it’s possible to start mountaineering with another person without necessarily hiring a guide. We’ve done quite a bit of hiking but not mountaineering—we’ll just do a half-day glacier course. After that, we were thinking of starting with La Grande Motte and the Pointe de la Traversière, which were recommended to us. Honestly, for things like roping up and knots, I’ll learn at home with lots of videos and a book.
I’d love to know if anyone has done treks in the Rwenzori Mountains and how much it costs on average, what the infrastructure is like, the landscapes, and safety in the area. Thanks so much! I’m really looking forward to your replies.
We’re leaving in 9 days for a two-week trip to Madeira, mainly to hike.
From my research, I’ve found that since last year, access to most trails—and systematically for the most popular ones—is now paid. You have to pay an access fee of 4.50 € per person per classified hike in 2026, and even 10.50 € for the most iconic hike: Pico Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. When paying, you also have to choose a day and a 30-minute time slot for your start time. Of course, this reservation is neither changeable nor refundable, even if the weather that day is terrible.
Personally, given the massive influx of tourists to the island in recent years, I don’t mind paying a fee to help maintain the trails. Similarly, setting a limit on the number of people who can hike them per day is certainly preferable to preserve this priceless heritage.
However, what’s much less fair is that in reality, most of the available spots are reserved: 1/ for Madeira residents (which is normal); 2/ for "economic operators" (meaning local tour operators). For example, if you’re a non-resident (independent tourist), no booking is possible for the Pico Arieiro hike for an early morning start before September! So, unfortunately, we’ll have to skip this hike.
It’s the same issue for Ponta de São Lourenço, the 25 Fontes, Pico Ruivo... in short, all the most popular hikes. Oh well, we’ll skip those too!
So my question is: which hikes do you recommend where we won’t face the huge crowds that the others get? And where we can book the day before for the next day, taking the weather into account?
Finally, a quick accommodation question: we’ve booked the first week in Funchal, but I haven’t decided yet for the second week. Do you have any advice on where to stay in the south or north, preferably avoiding overly concrete-heavy and touristy spots?
I’m reposting about the logistics for Samaria Gorge.
I’d love to get recent info, especially about whether it’s possible to park my car in Omalos, do the hike, and then catch a bus back to my vehicle.
In theory, it’s doable, but when you check the KTEL website, there aren’t any feasible schedules listed. If anyone has recently organized this with reliable, verified details, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’re flying from Montreal to Lyon this August to go hiking in the French Alps. We’ve rented a car and will be staying at campgrounds. We’re planning to do day hikes and want to stay a few days in one spot, do a few hikes, then move on to our next camping spot. Could you share your favorite spots or any recommendations for places to spend a few days with great hikes?
A few details:
We arrive in early August and leave in early September.
We’re looking for day hikes (or shorter), moderate difficulty, with a cumulative elevation gain of no more than 1000m, and of course, beautiful scenery!
We’d prefer not to drive too much—maybe it’s best not to head too far south and deal with unnecessary heat?
Along the same lines, if you know of any great campgrounds where we can start our hike directly without needing the car, we’d love to hear your suggestions!
Hi there,
I’m planning to go hiking on this island and would like to know the best time to do it. I visited for a few days in November 2018—not for hiking but just to explore—and the weather wasn’t great, especially in the mountains. So, is a star-shaped itinerary doable if I rent a car and maybe use two different accommodations?
I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations.
Thanks so much for your tips!
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there?
A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions?
For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip...
Thanks for your tips!
Have a great day,
Anie, Toulouse
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice?
Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish.
I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips?
Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina?
At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?