Entrer en Suisse avec carte d'identité périmée
by Lagenaise
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Je dois prendre l'avion pour aller à Genève. Ma carte d'identité est périmée depuis moins de 5 ans. On m'a confirmé que je pouvais prendre l'avion. Par contre, il serait apparemment possible qu'on ne me laisse pas rentrer sur le territoire suisse.
Est-ce que cela est déjà arrivé à quelqu'un??
Je suis toujours entrée en Suisse en voiture, avec une CNI valide.
Si la Suisse a accepté la prolongation de 5 ans des CNI françaises, en principe la compagnie devrait en effet vous laisser embarquer. Mais il reste toujours un risque, même infime, que les autorités suisses vous remettent dans le premier avion si elles estiment que vous êtes une menace pour le pays. C'est la même chose partout.
Bonsoir,
Etre une menace pour le pays est une autre chose, et dans l'immense majorité des cas cela concerne des gens parfaitement en règle. Dans le cas présent on parle seulement de reconnaissance de la validité d'un document.
Mais il reste toujours un risque, même infime, que les autorités suisses vous remettent dans le premier avion si elles estiment que vous êtes une menace pour le pays. C'est la même chose partout.
Michel
Etre une menace pour le pays est une autre chose, et dans l'immense majorité des cas cela concerne des gens parfaitement en règle. Dans le cas présent on parle seulement de reconnaissance de la validité d'un document.
Mais il reste toujours un risque, même infime, que les autorités suisses vous remettent dans le premier avion si elles estiment que vous êtes une menace pour le pays. C'est la même chose partout.
Michel
Cela fait quelques années que je ne suis pas allé à Genève en avion.
A mon époque il y avait la sortie secteur France et la sortie Suisse.
Je pense que cela doit toujours exister.
Pour rappel la Suisse fait partie de l'espace Schengen depuis dix ans. A ce titre les contrôles systématiques ont théoriquement disparu pour l'intra Schengen. Je ne parle évidemment pas des contrôles douaniers.
Si la Suisse avait refoulé /embêté des CNI +5 depuis 2014 je pense qu'on serait au courant depuis vu le nombre de frontaliers qui vont travailler en Suisse tous les jours. En comparaison la Belgique n'accepte plus le +5 et cela s'est vu.
Il manque des précisions dans ton message. D'où pars tu ? Sur quelle compagnie ?Quel âge avais tu lors de l'établissement de ta CNI ?
Pour rappel la Suisse fait partie de l'espace Schengen depuis dix ans. A ce titre les contrôles systématiques ont théoriquement disparu pour l'intra Schengen. Je ne parle évidemment pas des contrôles douaniers.
Si la Suisse avait refoulé /embêté des CNI +5 depuis 2014 je pense qu'on serait au courant depuis vu le nombre de frontaliers qui vont travailler en Suisse tous les jours. En comparaison la Belgique n'accepte plus le +5 et cela s'est vu.
Il manque des précisions dans ton message. D'où pars tu ? Sur quelle compagnie ?Quel âge avais tu lors de l'établissement de ta CNI ?
Bonjour,
On peut prendre l'avion à l'aéroport de Genève sans entrer en Suisse parce que l'aéroport est en partie sur le territoire français. Ceci suppose que l'on soit en voiture. Il y a des parkings de l'aéroport côté français, il faut entrer et sortir par le pays de Gex, pas du côté d'Annemasse.
gaura
Pour un trajet France - France en empruntant la sortie France il n'y aura pas de contrôle de police ni de douane puisque tu resteras en France.
Évidemment tu ne mettras pas les pieds en Suisse en empruntant la sortie France car le corridor grillagé débouche en France.
Si évidemment tu décides de prendre la sortie Suisse alors tu pourras éventuellement être contrôlée par l'immigration et/ou par la douane.
Une nouvelle fois la Suisse fait partie de l'espace Schengen. Le contrôle par l'immigration suisse est très peu probable. Le contrôle par la douane suisse est peu probable. Et la CNI +5 n'a jusque aujourd'hui pas causé de problème particulier en Suisse.
Étais tu majeure lors de la délivrance de ta carte ?
Si évidemment tu décides de prendre la sortie Suisse alors tu pourras éventuellement être contrôlée par l'immigration et/ou par la douane.
Une nouvelle fois la Suisse fait partie de l'espace Schengen. Le contrôle par l'immigration suisse est très peu probable. Le contrôle par la douane suisse est peu probable. Et la CNI +5 n'a jusque aujourd'hui pas causé de problème particulier en Suisse.
Étais tu majeure lors de la délivrance de ta carte ?
Pour un trajet France - France en empruntant la sortie France il n'y aura pas de contrôle de police ni de douane puisque tu resteras en France.
Évidemment tu ne mettras pas les pieds en Suisse en empruntant la sortie France car le corridor grillagé débouche en France.
Si évidemment tu décides de prendre la sortie Suisse alors tu pourras éventuellement être contrôlée par l'immigration et/ou par la douane.
Une nouvelle fois la Suisse fait partie de l'espace Schengen. Le contrôle par l'immigration suisse est très peu probable. Le contrôle par la douane suisse est peu probable. Et la CNI +5 n'a jusque aujourd'hui pas causé de problème particulier en Suisse.
Étais tu majeure lors de la délivrance de ta carte ?
Oui j'étais majeure. Je l'ai faite en 2006 validité jusqu'en 2016. Le truc c'est que ma belle soeur qui vie en Suisse a appelé la douane et une personne lui a dit que je pouvais être bloqué. Easyjet me renvoie à l'ambassade. L'ambassade à ma compagnie. La douane à la compagnie. Je ne sais plus quoi penser.
Si évidemment tu décides de prendre la sortie Suisse alors tu pourras éventuellement être contrôlée par l'immigration et/ou par la douane.
Une nouvelle fois la Suisse fait partie de l'espace Schengen. Le contrôle par l'immigration suisse est très peu probable. Le contrôle par la douane suisse est peu probable. Et la CNI +5 n'a jusque aujourd'hui pas causé de problème particulier en Suisse.
Étais tu majeure lors de la délivrance de ta carte ?
Oui j'étais majeure. Je l'ai faite en 2006 validité jusqu'en 2016. Le truc c'est que ma belle soeur qui vie en Suisse a appelé la douane et une personne lui a dit que je pouvais être bloqué. Easyjet me renvoie à l'ambassade. L'ambassade à ma compagnie. La douane à la compagnie. Je ne sais plus quoi penser.
Bonsoir,
Cela peut en effet poser problème ; en théorie. On vous explique plus haut qu'il ne semble exister aucune référence précise à un tel problème, néanmoins. Là où vous vous adressez on ne peut vous répondre qu'en théorie, que peuvent-ils vous dire d'autres ? Vous pourriez tenter. En cas de problème, vous évaluerez votre préjudice et vous tournerez vers l'Etat responsable de cette inconséquence.
Michel
Cela peut en effet poser problème ; en théorie. On vous explique plus haut qu'il ne semble exister aucune référence précise à un tel problème, néanmoins. Là où vous vous adressez on ne peut vous répondre qu'en théorie, que peuvent-ils vous dire d'autres ? Vous pourriez tenter. En cas de problème, vous évaluerez votre préjudice et vous tournerez vers l'Etat responsable de cette inconséquence.
Michel
Il y a effectivement une zone "France" dans l'aéroport d'où partent les vols vers l'hexagone avec des douaniers français qui donc ne te contrôleront pas. Par contre l'aéroport est bien en Suisse et pour l'atteindre tu dois passer par une douane. Il n'y a pas de "corridor francais".
(Édit info erronée voir ci-dessous)
Si. Du moins c'était le cas il y a quelques années.
On sort en voiture (à pied ?), on ne peut se déplacer qu'à l'intérieur de ce corridor mur/grillage.
Ce corridor débouche directement en France à quelques mètres de la frontière avec la Suisse au niveau de Ferney Voltaire.
https://www.gva.ch/fr/Site/Passagers/Questions-Reponses-FAQ/secteur-france
Je viens de regarder sur Google Maps et la route douanière du Grand Saconnex semble toujours exister en mai 2018. Mais n'y passant plus je ne peux l'affirmer par rapport à toi qui vis en Suisse.
Je viens de regarder sur Google Maps et la route douanière du Grand Saconnex semble toujours exister en mai 2018. Mais n'y passant plus je ne peux l'affirmer par rapport à toi qui vis en Suisse.
Voilà, c'est un peu ce qui était dit depuis le début.
Il y a plus de 300 000 frontaliers qui vont travailler en Suisse. Plus de la moitié sont Français avec une certaine probabilité qu'il y ait des CNI +5 dans le lot. C'est ce qu'il s'est passé en Belgique.
Idem pour les voyageurs en avion. easyJet dessert Genève depuis Toulouse, Nice, Bordeaux, Paris, la Corse, etc. Statistiquement il y a des CNI +5 parmi les voyageurs, s'ils avaient été embêtés cela se saurait. C'est ce qu'il s'est passé à Charleroi.
Te voilà rassurée, c'est l'essentiel.
Il y a plus de 300 000 frontaliers qui vont travailler en Suisse. Plus de la moitié sont Français avec une certaine probabilité qu'il y ait des CNI +5 dans le lot. C'est ce qu'il s'est passé en Belgique.
Idem pour les voyageurs en avion. easyJet dessert Genève depuis Toulouse, Nice, Bordeaux, Paris, la Corse, etc. Statistiquement il y a des CNI +5 parmi les voyageurs, s'ils avaient été embêtés cela se saurait. C'est ce qu'il s'est passé à Charleroi.
Te voilà rassurée, c'est l'essentiel.
hello, la sortie France existe toujours, à l'arrivée il y a un contrôle systématique même pour les ressortissants shengen coté suisse mais c'est rapide si vous êtes ressortissant UE-
pour les contôle français je ne sais pas cela doit être la même chose que pour les vol internes en France
bon voyage
pour les contôle français je ne sais pas cela doit être la même chose que pour les vol internes en France
Donc rien.
Michel
Donc rien.
Michel
Si elle va à Genève pour voir sa soeur qui vit en Suisse, on peut supposer que c'est pour entrer sur le territoire suisse. On se demande pourquoi certains font des réponses à côté de la question.
Et puisque la Suisse reconnaît la validité des CNI prolongées de 5 ans, pourquoi une telle prise de tête ?
Comme je l'ai dit plus haut, la possibilité qu'on vous interdise l'entrée sur le territoire est que vous présentiez une menace pour le pays (mandat d'arrêt international ???) ou que les chiens renifleurs détectent des kg de drogue dans vos bagages, 😄
Ce n'est pas votre cas ? Partez sereine.😛
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Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
Hi everyone,
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
C'est bon, j'ai bien cherché sur le lien que m'a envoyé la douane suisse et j'ai trouvé.
Merci d'avoir pris le temps de me répondre





