En vue d'un prochain voyage dans l'Atlas je recherche des informations récentes sur les liaisons Demnate/Ouarzazate par la R307 et la liaison Tabant (Aguerd N'Ouzrou) /Bin el Ouidane via la Cathédrale et la R302. Véhicule 4x2 style kangoo/Partner/Logan etc et voyage mi mai 2020 - Concernant la R307, quel est l'état (sous réserve bien sur de toutes modifications liées à l'hiver futur) grosso modo et combien de temps faudrait-l raisonnablement en conduite tranquille pour faire Demnate/Ourzazate ? - Concernant Tabant/Bin en Ouidane j'envisage de prendre le raccourci en terre qui part de Tabant, Aghbalou, et rejoint la R302 au point 31.759963, -6.317450 (a mi chemin entre Aït Mahmed et Zaouiat Ahansal), puis Zaouiat, Tifouina, la Cathédrale et Bin el ouidane: Ce tronçon en terre est-l praticable en véhicule non 4x4 ? le reste de la R302 est-il goudronné ? Enfin, là encore pour ceux qui l'ont fait, en combien de temps (toujours tranquille) s'effectuerait ce trajet ? Vous remerciant de partager votre expérience un grand merci d'avance.
États des routes R307 et R302 dans l'Atlas marocain
by Penelope46
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour
En vue d'un prochain voyage dans l'Atlas je recherche des informations récentes sur les liaisons Demnate/Ouarzazate par la R307 et la liaison Tabant (Aguerd N'Ouzrou) /Bin el Ouidane via la Cathédrale et la R302. Véhicule 4x2 style kangoo/Partner/Logan etc et voyage mi mai 2020 - Concernant la R307, quel est l'état (sous réserve bien sur de toutes modifications liées à l'hiver futur) grosso modo et combien de temps faudrait-l raisonnablement en conduite tranquille pour faire Demnate/Ourzazate ? - Concernant Tabant/Bin en Ouidane j'envisage de prendre le raccourci en terre qui part de Tabant, Aghbalou, et rejoint la R302 au point 31.759963, -6.317450 (a mi chemin entre Aït Mahmed et Zaouiat Ahansal), puis Zaouiat, Tifouina, la Cathédrale et Bin el ouidane: Ce tronçon en terre est-l praticable en véhicule non 4x4 ? le reste de la R302 est-il goudronné ? Enfin, là encore pour ceux qui l'ont fait, en combien de temps (toujours tranquille) s'effectuerait ce trajet ? Vous remerciant de partager votre expérience un grand merci d'avance.
En vue d'un prochain voyage dans l'Atlas je recherche des informations récentes sur les liaisons Demnate/Ouarzazate par la R307 et la liaison Tabant (Aguerd N'Ouzrou) /Bin el Ouidane via la Cathédrale et la R302. Véhicule 4x2 style kangoo/Partner/Logan etc et voyage mi mai 2020 - Concernant la R307, quel est l'état (sous réserve bien sur de toutes modifications liées à l'hiver futur) grosso modo et combien de temps faudrait-l raisonnablement en conduite tranquille pour faire Demnate/Ourzazate ? - Concernant Tabant/Bin en Ouidane j'envisage de prendre le raccourci en terre qui part de Tabant, Aghbalou, et rejoint la R302 au point 31.759963, -6.317450 (a mi chemin entre Aït Mahmed et Zaouiat Ahansal), puis Zaouiat, Tifouina, la Cathédrale et Bin el ouidane: Ce tronçon en terre est-l praticable en véhicule non 4x4 ? le reste de la R302 est-il goudronné ? Enfin, là encore pour ceux qui l'ont fait, en combien de temps (toujours tranquille) s'effectuerait ce trajet ? Vous remerciant de partager votre expérience un grand merci d'avance.
Bonsoir,
Pour l'état de la 307 je cite Darzel (13/12/19) : "Je fais cette route en voiture de tourisme (Dacia Sandero) et pour moi, çà ne pose pas de problème par temps sec. J'ai même eu l'impression qu'elle s'était bien améliorée par rapport à mon premier passage. ......... Il ne faut pas emprunter cette route par temps de pluie, neige, etc.... D'une part ce serait très dangereux et d'autres part vous ne verriez rien des paysages.... La 307 est goudronnée au début, mais plus on progresse, plus le goudron devient un souvenir du temps passé. Cependant, la route-piste est plutôt en bon état. C'est une route à faire en mode balade, pas en mode "rallye"."
Tabant à la jonction R302 par le tizi n'Tirghist : en octobre 2018 elle était en bon état et empruntée par des 4x2. Comptez 1 heure. Attention à Aghbalou prendre plutôt la bifurcation légèrement à G. Celle de D par Iglouane vous y mène aussi mais un peu plus long.
Ensuite c'était un tronçon goudron (jusqu'au delà de la zaouiat) puis une piste sans difficultés techniques. Il faut environ 3h30 jusqu'à la bifurcation vers l'assif Melloul (la cathédrale). Au delà je ne connais pas.
Si vous avez un véhicule de location, vérifiez les conditions. Nombre de loueurs "interdisent" la pratique des pistes.
Bonne soirée
Pour l'état de la 307 je cite Darzel (13/12/19) : "Je fais cette route en voiture de tourisme (Dacia Sandero) et pour moi, çà ne pose pas de problème par temps sec. J'ai même eu l'impression qu'elle s'était bien améliorée par rapport à mon premier passage. ......... Il ne faut pas emprunter cette route par temps de pluie, neige, etc.... D'une part ce serait très dangereux et d'autres part vous ne verriez rien des paysages.... La 307 est goudronnée au début, mais plus on progresse, plus le goudron devient un souvenir du temps passé. Cependant, la route-piste est plutôt en bon état. C'est une route à faire en mode balade, pas en mode "rallye"."
Tabant à la jonction R302 par le tizi n'Tirghist : en octobre 2018 elle était en bon état et empruntée par des 4x2. Comptez 1 heure. Attention à Aghbalou prendre plutôt la bifurcation légèrement à G. Celle de D par Iglouane vous y mène aussi mais un peu plus long.
Ensuite c'était un tronçon goudron (jusqu'au delà de la zaouiat) puis une piste sans difficultés techniques. Il faut environ 3h30 jusqu'à la bifurcation vers l'assif Melloul (la cathédrale). Au delà je ne connais pas.
Si vous avez un véhicule de location, vérifiez les conditions. Nombre de loueurs "interdisent" la pratique des pistes.
Bonne soirée
JP
Bonjour,
Je confirme le rappel de Marabamu pour la 307 . Je l'ai faite en fin octobre en voiture de tourisme ( voir mon carnet de voyage tout récent ) . Cependant, il ne faut pas la faire ( à mon avis ) par mauvais temps : dangereux et sans intérêt si on ne voit rien . Attention à la neige aussi . Par temps sec, pas de soucis . Bonne soirée
Je confirme le rappel de Marabamu pour la 307 . Je l'ai faite en fin octobre en voiture de tourisme ( voir mon carnet de voyage tout récent ) . Cependant, il ne faut pas la faire ( à mon avis ) par mauvais temps : dangereux et sans intérêt si on ne voit rien . Attention à la neige aussi . Par temps sec, pas de soucis . Bonne soirée
Bonsoir
Merci de votre réponse qui m'éclaire un peu sur le temps de parcours. Après Zaouiat vous me dîtes que la route devient piste praticable si j'ai bien compris. Toujours praticable sans difficulté par un véhicule 4x2 ? Et je suppose que ça peut se parcourir en seconde ? Encore merci.
Merci de votre réponse qui m'éclaire un peu sur le temps de parcours. Après Zaouiat vous me dîtes que la route devient piste praticable si j'ai bien compris. Toujours praticable sans difficulté par un véhicule 4x2 ? Et je suppose que ça peut se parcourir en seconde ? Encore merci.
Bonsoir.
Merci aussi d'avoir pris le temps de répondre. Très beau carnet de voyage, ça donne envie. Par contre svp, une petite idée du temps qu'il faut (toujours en mode ballade) pour rallier Demnate à Ouarzazate (au moins la N10) ? Et rassurez vous, notre voyage est fin Mai donc sauf dérèglement climatique inversé, pas de neige 🙂 Encore merci
Merci aussi d'avoir pris le temps de répondre. Très beau carnet de voyage, ça donne envie. Par contre svp, une petite idée du temps qu'il faut (toujours en mode ballade) pour rallier Demnate à Ouarzazate (au moins la N10) ? Et rassurez vous, notre voyage est fin Mai donc sauf dérèglement climatique inversé, pas de neige 🙂 Encore merci
"Après Zaouiat vous me dîtes que la route devient piste praticable si j'ai bien compris". :
Oui en octobre 2018, j'y ai roulé en 4x2.
Et je suppose que ça peut se parcourir en seconde ? Quelle vitesse enclencher pour les monter et les descendre dépendra du véhicule et de son chargement. Vous partez de Tabant à 1850m pour franchir le col à presque 2800m en 27 km. Puis vous redescendez à 1600m . Ca grimpe de la sortie d'Aghbalou au col sur environ 8km.
Environ 2km avant Zaouiat vous avez un embranchement en patte d'oie, prenez sur la G. Celle de D vous amène au bord de l'oued et vers une piste 4x4 pure.
Une 2ème grimpette à environ 11km de cet embranchement sur à peu près 6 km. Un peu plus loin un joli raidillon de 3km et cela se termine pas une belle descente de +/- 9 km qui vous emmène de 1800 à 1100m.
Et je suppose que ça peut se parcourir en seconde ? Quelle vitesse enclencher pour les monter et les descendre dépendra du véhicule et de son chargement. Vous partez de Tabant à 1850m pour franchir le col à presque 2800m en 27 km. Puis vous redescendez à 1600m . Ca grimpe de la sortie d'Aghbalou au col sur environ 8km.
Environ 2km avant Zaouiat vous avez un embranchement en patte d'oie, prenez sur la G. Celle de D vous amène au bord de l'oued et vers une piste 4x4 pure.
Une 2ème grimpette à environ 11km de cet embranchement sur à peu près 6 km. Un peu plus loin un joli raidillon de 3km et cela se termine pas une belle descente de +/- 9 km qui vous emmène de 1800 à 1100m.
JP
Super, cette fois j'ai mes renseignements et merci de la précision pour Aghbalou.
Je pense qu'il n'y aura pas de souci, pour info j'ai déjà fait l'autre coté, Tabant/Bou Tharar en 4x2 également plusieurs fois sans souçi.
Encore merci
Bonjour
Merci Darzel, là aussi cette fois c'est clair. C'est un peu ce que je prévoyais. Un grand merci à tous pour votre contribution. Bons futurs voyages
Merci Darzel, là aussi cette fois c'est clair. C'est un peu ce que je prévoyais. Un grand merci à tous pour votre contribution. Bons futurs voyages
Je pensais aussi à un itinéraire à peu de chose près dans ce coin.
Donc une mine de bons tuyaux.
Pas très loin, quelqu'un aurait il des renseignements sur l'itinéraire partant d'Aït Haddou Amer (RN 706) en direction plein Est vers la vallée du Ziz ?
Pardon, un simple explication, que signifie 4x2 ?
"Il vaut mieux faire des enfants quand on est vieux, on les em...de moins longtemps (Desproges)
Bonsoir,
"renseignements sur l'itinéraire partant d'Aït Haddou Amer (RN 706) en direction plein Est vers la vallée du Ziz " Je ne connais que les 50 derniers km (depuis la jonction avec le piste de Michelifene) qui ne m'ont pas laissé un souvenir particulier. Goudron et roulante.
"que signifie 4x2 ?" 2 roues motrices, c'est plus court à écrire.
Bonne soirée
"renseignements sur l'itinéraire partant d'Aït Haddou Amer (RN 706) en direction plein Est vers la vallée du Ziz " Je ne connais que les 50 derniers km (depuis la jonction avec le piste de Michelifene) qui ne m'ont pas laissé un souvenir particulier. Goudron et roulante.
"que signifie 4x2 ?" 2 roues motrices, c'est plus court à écrire.
Bonne soirée
JP
Bonsoir cher Monsieur
Auriez vous l'amabilité svp d'ouvrir un post spécifique à votre requête et ne pas polluer celui des autre ? Ce serait gentil. Et merci d'avance si vous pouvez l'effacer
Pénélope
Auriez vous l'amabilité svp d'ouvrir un post spécifique à votre requête et ne pas polluer celui des autre ? Ce serait gentil. Et merci d'avance si vous pouvez l'effacer
Pénélope
Salut,
Si tu as réussi à faire Tabant- Bou Tharar plusieurs fois en 4x2, tu n'auras aucun problème à rejoindre la cathédrale via Zaouia ahansal...
Profite en pour aller te balader sur le site de Taghia qui est l'un des plus beaux sites de ce pays et dont personne ne parle sur ce forum... La majorité des gens passent et ne savent pas que cette vallée cachée se trouve là... 3h de marche depuis Zaouia. On passe par un canyon... En cas de grosse pluie c'est compliqué comme partout.
Il y a un petit passage pour sortir autrement du cirque si tu n'as pas le vertige. 😉
Et pour la R706, y a rien de compliqué... Du goudron facile.
Si tu as réussi à faire Tabant- Bou Tharar plusieurs fois en 4x2, tu n'auras aucun problème à rejoindre la cathédrale via Zaouia ahansal...
Profite en pour aller te balader sur le site de Taghia qui est l'un des plus beaux sites de ce pays et dont personne ne parle sur ce forum... La majorité des gens passent et ne savent pas que cette vallée cachée se trouve là... 3h de marche depuis Zaouia. On passe par un canyon... En cas de grosse pluie c'est compliqué comme partout.
Il y a un petit passage pour sortir autrement du cirque si tu n'as pas le vertige. 😉
Et pour la R706, y a rien de compliqué... Du goudron facile.
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
Normalement mi mai c'est bien mais il peut faire froid dans ce coin là. Il y a 2 ans, j'ai vu la neige tomber en dormant à la cathédrale, c'était le 6 mai. ( comme j'ai vu du beau soleil 2 ans plus tôt mi décembre )Maintenant, le nouveau pont est fini, une facilité de plus... Gite ou camping pour dormir ?
Qui écoute trop la météo, passe sa vie au bistrot !
Bonjour
Merci aussi de votre réponse. Et je m'aperçois qu'on croit connaître beaucoup de choses mais qu'en réalité il en reste infiniment plus à découvrir. ce qui reste très positif. Cela dit j'ai 73 ans, handicapée suite à un accident de moto et malheureusement ne peut plus marcher. Nous parcourons le maroc depuis une 12 aine d'années en moto, 4x4 ou voiture. Bien à vous
Merci aussi de votre réponse. Et je m'aperçois qu'on croit connaître beaucoup de choses mais qu'en réalité il en reste infiniment plus à découvrir. ce qui reste très positif. Cela dit j'ai 73 ans, handicapée suite à un accident de moto et malheureusement ne peut plus marcher. Nous parcourons le maroc depuis une 12 aine d'années en moto, 4x4 ou voiture. Bien à vous
Pour dire, simple bagnole de monsieur tout le monde !!!! 🤪
Merci
"Il vaut mieux faire des enfants quand on est vieux, on les em...de moins longtemps (Desproges)
ok, 2 roues motrices, propulsion et traction
Merci.
J'arrête de polluer
"Il vaut mieux faire des enfants quand on est vieux, on les em...de moins longtemps (Desproges)
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Hello to all Morocco lovers,
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
Fran
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
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Hi there!
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?) - What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!) - In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid? - Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country? - A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
Thanks so much for your advice!
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?) - What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!) - In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid? - Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country? - A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
Thanks so much for your advice!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you: - Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why? - Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies. - Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car? - Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years. Have a great evening, Roberto
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you: - Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why? - Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies. - Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car? - Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years. Have a great evening, Roberto
hi, I just wanted to know the exchange rate for euros in Tunisia, thanks
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
Hi there,
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili? If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them. I didn’t find any info on the forum. Best,
Fouzi
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili? If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them. I didn’t find any info on the forum. Best,
Fouzi
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hi everyone,
We're leaving in early October 2026 and planning to travel from the Aït Bougmez Valley ("Happy Valley") to Skoura/Ouarzazate via Demnate and the R307/N23 route.
Has anyone taken this road recently? Is it passable with a regular car (non-4x4), or is a 4x4 absolutely necessary? Are there any ongoing construction projects or degraded sections to be aware of?
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there, 🙂
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities. Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Thanks
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities. Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Thanks
Based on your experiences, do you have a professional to recommend?
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency. If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling. We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback! Safe travels to all, Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency. If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling. We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback! Safe travels to all, Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi, I'm looking for a taxi from Dakhla airport to downtown Dakhla.
If you know a contact ?????
Hi there,
I’m looking for info about driving a vehicle in Tunisia.
Is it complicated?
Do I need an international driver’s permit?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Any recommendations?
Have a great day
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.
Any recommendations?
Have a great day
It's all in the title.
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance
Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance
Hi there,
I’m looking for some friendly recommendations for places to stay in Marrakech for 3 nights in June 2026.
In the meantime, have a great day, everyone! Thanks so much in advance.
hi,
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day