A propos du Grand Canyon...
by Illusion
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour
j'ai bien compris que le North rim du grand Canyon etait bcp moins fréquenté que le South rim... Est ce que l' interet du North rim est vraiment moindre ? à priori j'aurais tendance evidemment à éviter au maximum les endroits trs fréquentés.. Les randos qu'on peut faire du coté Nord et du coté sud peuvent elles équivalentes? Et si oui lesquelles me conseillez- vous? ( randos de 3-4 heures )
Arrivant du Nord -ouest ( Zion ) pour ensuite continuer vers Bryce, est -il interessant de descendre depuis Zion jusqu'au North rim avant de remonter vers Bryce?
Sinon de quelle façon peut- on rejoindre le coté Sud en arrivant par le North ? :-) la route passant par Page est elle la seule possible ?
merci
Il y a certes davantage de monde au sud qu'au nord (je ne suis jamais allé au nord et je précise qu'il faut 5 heures de voiture pour rallier l'un à l'autre), mais il ne faut pas croire que la sud est invivable. C'est immense et franchement, tu n'as pas le sentiment d'être dans le métro à 6h du soir.
merci de ta réponse.
En fait, ce qui me pose problème, plus que le monde, c'est d'intégrer le Grand Canyon coté sud dans mon circuit. Sur une période de 2mois, j'essaie de faire un itinéraire logique avec les sites suivants : Arrivée à las Vegas -Zion- Bryce - Grand Canyon - Capitol reef - Monument Valley - Grand Teton - Yellowstone - region de moab - et une partie des rocheuses avec Rocky Mountains NP et Great Sand Dunes, pour repartir soit d'Albuquerque soit de Denver, soit eventuellement de Phoenix. Au depart je pensais partir directement vers le Nord apres Capitol reef et redescendre vers Moab ensuite, mais dans cette hypothèse je ne peux pas retourner à GC sud.
Donc j' hesite maintenant entre la solution de laisser tomber le coté sud et celle de le faire en faisant un grand détour par Page ..( et au passage peut etre visiter Antelope dont tt le monde dit le plus grand bien ) Qu'enpensez vous ? merci pour vos conseils.
En fait, ce qui me pose problème, plus que le monde, c'est d'intégrer le Grand Canyon coté sud dans mon circuit. Sur une période de 2mois, j'essaie de faire un itinéraire logique avec les sites suivants : Arrivée à las Vegas -Zion- Bryce - Grand Canyon - Capitol reef - Monument Valley - Grand Teton - Yellowstone - region de moab - et une partie des rocheuses avec Rocky Mountains NP et Great Sand Dunes, pour repartir soit d'Albuquerque soit de Denver, soit eventuellement de Phoenix. Au depart je pensais partir directement vers le Nord apres Capitol reef et redescendre vers Moab ensuite, mais dans cette hypothèse je ne peux pas retourner à GC sud.
Donc j' hesite maintenant entre la solution de laisser tomber le coté sud et celle de le faire en faisant un grand détour par Page ..( et au passage peut etre visiter Antelope dont tt le monde dit le plus grand bien ) Qu'enpensez vous ? merci pour vos conseils.
si tu nous mettais ton circuit plus précisement, cela serait plus facile pour te conseiller😉
Contrairement à Clint, j'ai eu une mauvaise expérience l'année passée par rapport a la foule a GC; j'y étais un week end mi Mai, et c'etait franchement désagréable.... du monde partout, la queue en voiture pour acceder au parc, les mules prises d'assaut...et la promenade le long du canyon complètement pleine de familles, et d'enfants courant dans tous les sens.....les shuttles, mêmes supplementaires prises d'assaut également..et je te passe le monde dans les restos et bars.....par contre, la veille, c'etait tout a fait correct... les hordes de touristes americains ne sont arrivés que le samedi matin...perso, j'aime le calme.. et cela m'a tout de même génée..🤪 si tu arrives à éviter le WE, c'est peut être mieux🙂
Contrairement à Clint, j'ai eu une mauvaise expérience l'année passée par rapport a la foule a GC; j'y étais un week end mi Mai, et c'etait franchement désagréable.... du monde partout, la queue en voiture pour acceder au parc, les mules prises d'assaut...et la promenade le long du canyon complètement pleine de familles, et d'enfants courant dans tous les sens.....les shuttles, mêmes supplementaires prises d'assaut également..et je te passe le monde dans les restos et bars.....par contre, la veille, c'etait tout a fait correct... les hordes de touristes americains ne sont arrivés que le samedi matin...perso, j'aime le calme.. et cela m'a tout de même génée..🤪 si tu arrives à éviter le WE, c'est peut être mieux🙂
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Si je comprend bien tu voyage deux mois ?
Si c'est le cas alors tu a quand-même l'occasion de visiter le South Rim du GC..........un peu comme ça
Zion > GC Nort Rim > Page > GC South Rim > Monument Valley > Moab > Capitol Reef > Bryce Canyon > Yellowstone > Rocky Mountains NP > Denver et peut-être encore descendre pour Great Sand Dunes - Taos - Santa Fé - Albuquerque😛
Et je suis d'accord avec Fabienne qui te demande de nous presenter un peu ton circuit complèt avec la durée exacte pour ce voyage, que tu prévois🤪
Et je suis d'accord avec Fabienne qui te demande de nous presenter un peu ton circuit complèt avec la durée exacte pour ce voyage, que tu prévois🤪
Le souci c'est que tu auras du monde aussi à Bryce, à Monument Valley, à Page, à Moab ... C'est bête mais tout le monde veut voir les mêmes endroits 😊
Le principal critère reste quand même de monter un circuit optimisé en terme de route car là, on est sûr de gagner ou perdre du temps. Sans pouvoir comparer les 2, South Rim offrira sans doute plus de possibilités en terme de logements à tous les prix, ce qui peut être intéressant si on y va la fleur au fusil sans réservation préalable.
Le principal critère reste quand même de monter un circuit optimisé en terme de route car là, on est sûr de gagner ou perdre du temps. Sans pouvoir comparer les 2, South Rim offrira sans doute plus de possibilités en terme de logements à tous les prix, ce qui peut être intéressant si on y va la fleur au fusil sans réservation préalable.
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" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
" Psychologiquement instable donc je ne réponds de rien" : Sa Maman
Bonjour à tous
Et mci à Fabienne, Allegro et Vazyvite
En fait, je n'ai pas mis précisement le detail de mon itinéraire car je ne l'ai pas encore defini., loin de là .😕 C'est un peu compliqué .. pas mal de choses entrent en considération .. notamment pour la location de voiture . J'en suis encore au stade où je selectionne les lieux avec les +ou - incontournables selon nous ( Zion, Bryce, GC, Monument, Yellowstone/ GT, Canyonland/Arches ) et les optionnels qui peuvent varier ... (Capitol Reef, Antelope, Rocky Mountains, Great sand dunes..voire meme qqlieux plus éloignes comme Chelly ou Saguaro par ex)
Alors evidemment, je suis consciente du nombre important de Km.. Nous comptons louer une voiture, et la rendre en fin de parcours dans un autre Etat, donc je suppose qu'il n'y a aucun moyen d'eviter les frais d'abandons, sauf si on revient dans un etat limitrophe de la Californie ?
Je vous soummets qd meme le premier itinéraire que j'ai fait recemment juste pour avoir des conseils sur des fragments du parcours, mais en fait il faudrait que je termine le circuit à Phoenix .( De plus, il n'inclut pas GD sud .... ) Je serais la semaine precedente à San Francisco, je ne donne l'itinéraire qu'a partir de Las Vegas..
Jour 01 > Arrivee à Las Vegas Jour 02 > Las Vegas Jour 03 > route vers Zion / Zion Jour 04 > Zion Jour 05 > route vers GC north via Coral Sand Dunes Jour 06 > GC north Jour 07 > GC et route vers BRyce Jour 08 > Bryce Jour 09 > Bryce et route vers Capitol Reef Jour 10 > Capitol Reef Jour 11 > route vers Salt Lake city Jour 12 > Salt Lake et route vers Grd Teton Jour 13 > GRd Teton Jour 14 > Grd Teton Jour 15 > Yellowstone Jour 16 > Yellowstone Jour 17 > Yellowstone Jour 18 > route vers Rocks springs / Flaming gorge Jour 19 > route Vers Moab Jour 20 > Canyonland : island in the sky Jour 21 > Arches Jour 22 > route vers Monument Valley Jour 23 > Monument Valley Jour 24 > Mesa verde Jour 25 > route vers Monte Vista Jour 26 > great Sand Dunes Jour 27 > route dans les montagnes Jour 28 > Rocky Mountains NP Jour 29 > Rocky Mountains NP Jour 30 > Denver
Je dispose au grand maximum de 60 jours, disons plutot 45-50 (si on enlève les 5/6 jours à San francisco), donc je peux rajouter des jours par ci par là.. Je peux aussi inverser certaines parties du parcours par exemple aller d'abord à Rocky mountains avant Moab et terminer par le sud ..
Apparemment d'apres ce que tu dis Allegro il vaudrait mieux d'abord passer par Monument Valley et revenir sur Capitol Reef, plutot que d'aller à Monument apres Moab ? En fait, je voulais alterner les endroits "arides" avec les endroits plus "frais" comme Yellowstone, pour souffler un peu si la chaleur est trop importante en Aout .. (nous comptons partir approximativement vers le 20 juillet)
Voilà où j'en suis actuellement .. et evidemment je suis preneuse de tous les conseils ... mcii à vous
En fait, je n'ai pas mis précisement le detail de mon itinéraire car je ne l'ai pas encore defini., loin de là .😕 C'est un peu compliqué .. pas mal de choses entrent en considération .. notamment pour la location de voiture . J'en suis encore au stade où je selectionne les lieux avec les +ou - incontournables selon nous ( Zion, Bryce, GC, Monument, Yellowstone/ GT, Canyonland/Arches ) et les optionnels qui peuvent varier ... (Capitol Reef, Antelope, Rocky Mountains, Great sand dunes..voire meme qqlieux plus éloignes comme Chelly ou Saguaro par ex)
Alors evidemment, je suis consciente du nombre important de Km.. Nous comptons louer une voiture, et la rendre en fin de parcours dans un autre Etat, donc je suppose qu'il n'y a aucun moyen d'eviter les frais d'abandons, sauf si on revient dans un etat limitrophe de la Californie ?
Je vous soummets qd meme le premier itinéraire que j'ai fait recemment juste pour avoir des conseils sur des fragments du parcours, mais en fait il faudrait que je termine le circuit à Phoenix .( De plus, il n'inclut pas GD sud .... ) Je serais la semaine precedente à San Francisco, je ne donne l'itinéraire qu'a partir de Las Vegas..
Jour 01 > Arrivee à Las Vegas Jour 02 > Las Vegas Jour 03 > route vers Zion / Zion Jour 04 > Zion Jour 05 > route vers GC north via Coral Sand Dunes Jour 06 > GC north Jour 07 > GC et route vers BRyce Jour 08 > Bryce Jour 09 > Bryce et route vers Capitol Reef Jour 10 > Capitol Reef Jour 11 > route vers Salt Lake city Jour 12 > Salt Lake et route vers Grd Teton Jour 13 > GRd Teton Jour 14 > Grd Teton Jour 15 > Yellowstone Jour 16 > Yellowstone Jour 17 > Yellowstone Jour 18 > route vers Rocks springs / Flaming gorge Jour 19 > route Vers Moab Jour 20 > Canyonland : island in the sky Jour 21 > Arches Jour 22 > route vers Monument Valley Jour 23 > Monument Valley Jour 24 > Mesa verde Jour 25 > route vers Monte Vista Jour 26 > great Sand Dunes Jour 27 > route dans les montagnes Jour 28 > Rocky Mountains NP Jour 29 > Rocky Mountains NP Jour 30 > Denver
Je dispose au grand maximum de 60 jours, disons plutot 45-50 (si on enlève les 5/6 jours à San francisco), donc je peux rajouter des jours par ci par là.. Je peux aussi inverser certaines parties du parcours par exemple aller d'abord à Rocky mountains avant Moab et terminer par le sud ..
Apparemment d'apres ce que tu dis Allegro il vaudrait mieux d'abord passer par Monument Valley et revenir sur Capitol Reef, plutot que d'aller à Monument apres Moab ? En fait, je voulais alterner les endroits "arides" avec les endroits plus "frais" comme Yellowstone, pour souffler un peu si la chaleur est trop importante en Aout .. (nous comptons partir approximativement vers le 20 juillet)
Voilà où j'en suis actuellement .. et evidemment je suis preneuse de tous les conseils ... mcii à vous
Alors je te fait une petite proposition😉
J 1 LV(arrivée) J 2 LV J 3 LV > Zion J 4 Zion J 5 Zion > GC North Rim J 6 GC North Rim J 7 GC NR > Page(pour Antelope Canyon/Horseshoe Bend) J 8 Page > GC South Rim J 9 GC SR J 10 GC SR > Monument Valley J 11 MV(+ Goosenecks SP/Valley of the gods) J 12 MV > Canyon de Chelly J 13 Canyon de Chelly > Mesa Verde J 14 Mesa Verde > Canyonland(Needles District) > Moab J 15 Moab(Arches-Canyonlands(Island in the sky) J 16 Moab J 17 Moab > Capitol Reef(Torrey) J 18 Capitol Reef > Bryce J 19 Bryce J 20 Bryce > Salt Lake City J 21 Salt Lake City > Jackson(Grand Teton) J 22 Grand Teton J 23 Grand Teton J 24 Grand Teton > Yellowstone J 25 Yellowstone J 26 Yellowstone J 27 Yellowstone J 28 Yellowstone > Cody J 29 Cody > route vers Denver J 30 > route vers Denver via Rocky Mountains NP J 31 Rocky Mountains NP J 32 -33 - 34 - 35 - 36 descente vers le sud pour Great Sand Dunes - Taos - Santa Fé - Albuquerque et retour vers Denver par l'autoroute. Si ton aéroport de départ pour l'Europe est Phoenix alors tu peux prolonger à partir de Albuquerque vers White Sands NM > Chiracahua NM > Tombstone/Bisbee > Tucson > Phoenix. Mais en mois d'août il fait très chaud dans cette région là. Comme tu dispose de beaucoup de jours, des autres variantes sont possible !
J 1 LV(arrivée) J 2 LV J 3 LV > Zion J 4 Zion J 5 Zion > GC North Rim J 6 GC North Rim J 7 GC NR > Page(pour Antelope Canyon/Horseshoe Bend) J 8 Page > GC South Rim J 9 GC SR J 10 GC SR > Monument Valley J 11 MV(+ Goosenecks SP/Valley of the gods) J 12 MV > Canyon de Chelly J 13 Canyon de Chelly > Mesa Verde J 14 Mesa Verde > Canyonland(Needles District) > Moab J 15 Moab(Arches-Canyonlands(Island in the sky) J 16 Moab J 17 Moab > Capitol Reef(Torrey) J 18 Capitol Reef > Bryce J 19 Bryce J 20 Bryce > Salt Lake City J 21 Salt Lake City > Jackson(Grand Teton) J 22 Grand Teton J 23 Grand Teton J 24 Grand Teton > Yellowstone J 25 Yellowstone J 26 Yellowstone J 27 Yellowstone J 28 Yellowstone > Cody J 29 Cody > route vers Denver J 30 > route vers Denver via Rocky Mountains NP J 31 Rocky Mountains NP J 32 -33 - 34 - 35 - 36 descente vers le sud pour Great Sand Dunes - Taos - Santa Fé - Albuquerque et retour vers Denver par l'autoroute. Si ton aéroport de départ pour l'Europe est Phoenix alors tu peux prolonger à partir de Albuquerque vers White Sands NM > Chiracahua NM > Tombstone/Bisbee > Tucson > Phoenix. Mais en mois d'août il fait très chaud dans cette région là. Comme tu dispose de beaucoup de jours, des autres variantes sont possible !
Pour légerement appuyer ce que dit Allegro...
Si tu descends si bas, pour juste voir Great Sand Dunes, ce n'est pas la peine...disons que le jeu n'en vaut pas la chandelle.
c'est un parc qui personnelement m'a déçue (mais les conditions climatiques n'y étaient pas)....
Donc en continuant sur Taos, la gorge du Rio grande, tu aurais plus d'interet a faire ce chemin, plutôt qu'uniquement pour GSD..
Donc en continuant sur Taos, la gorge du Rio grande, tu aurais plus d'interet a faire ce chemin, plutôt qu'uniquement pour GSD..
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
mcii encore à ts les 2
je retiens vos idées ..et remarques ..
En fait, ce qui me préoccupe actuellement, comme je l'ai dit, c'est les frais d'abandon de la voiture que je n'avais pas pris en compte au depart . ( je pensais qu'à partir du moment où on quittait la Californie on payait de ttes façons un supplément ) donc ça m'embete qd meme un peu de payer si je peux les éviter avec une autre solution 🙂
J'imagine qu'il doit faire extremement chaud en Aout dans le sud, mais je ne vois pas où laisser la voiture, si ce n'est à Phoenix..ou alors à Las Vegas, ce qui m'obligerait à passer 2 fois par LV, et c'est pas non plus ideal .
J'imagine qu'il doit faire extremement chaud en Aout dans le sud, mais je ne vois pas où laisser la voiture, si ce n'est à Phoenix..ou alors à Las Vegas, ce qui m'obligerait à passer 2 fois par LV, et c'est pas non plus ideal .
Si tu commences par Las Vegas, que tu changes légerement ton circuit en partant vers le nord (Yellowstone) que tu redescendes en passant par GSD, Taos, et Albuquerque...
tu peux ajouter Petrified Forest, canyon de chelly (tout ça ce sont des eventualités) Grand Canyon south rim😛😇😛, et rendre ladite voiture a Phoenix
L'année dernière en prenant l'auto a Denver, et en la rendant à San Francisco, il n'y avait pas de drop off en passant par Holidays autos.. c'etait les seuls, et quand même 300$ de difference, avec les autres prestataires. il vaut mieux faire les simulations sur les sites presque jusqu'au bout (CAD, sans mette ton n° de CB😛) et là tu as toutes les données réelles de ce que tu as à payer..
L'année dernière en prenant l'auto a Denver, et en la rendant à San Francisco, il n'y avait pas de drop off en passant par Holidays autos.. c'etait les seuls, et quand même 300$ de difference, avec les autres prestataires. il vaut mieux faire les simulations sur les sites presque jusqu'au bout (CAD, sans mette ton n° de CB😛) et là tu as toutes les données réelles de ce que tu as à payer..
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
mcii Fabienne
effectivement, holidays autos ne semble pas facturer de frais d'abandon, ce qui m'ouvre de nouvelles perspectives ...
Une dernière petite question: Est ce que ce loueur est comparable ( pour les assurances en cas d'accidents notamment ) à d'autres comme autoescape par ex ?
Oui tout a fait..
Par contre si tu loues a partir de Californie, ne prend pas l'option Gold; car les 3 conducteurs sont inclus automatiquement dans tous les contrats faits dans cet état... alors ça fait un peu cher pour juste le plein d'essence😛😉
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Cela dépend de l'endroit où tu loues, pas des états que tu traverses🙂
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Bonsoir,
Pour une prise du véhicule à Phoenix et une restitution à Los Angeles, pas de drop-off chez Autoescape (vu avec Coralie au téléphone).
Pour une prise du véhicule à Phoenix et une restitution à Los Angeles, pas de drop-off chez Autoescape (vu avec Coralie au téléphone).
Salut
petite remarque concernant ton sejour à San Francisco: n'oublie surtout pas de visiter Yosemite; c'est majestueux!
Bien cordialement
"lorsqu'au crépuscule de ma vie je me retournerai, je dirai: c'est moi qui ai vécu et non un ètre factice créé par mes ennuis et mes regrets"
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Thanks in advance for your feedback😉
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
Hi VF community,
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels. Cheers, Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
Hi there,
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense? Day 1: Orlando Day 2: Amelia Island Day 3: Amelia Island Day 4: Tallahassee Day 5: Panama City Beach Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin) Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way) Day 8: Crystal River Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater) Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete) Day 11: Anna Maria Day 12: Orlando Day 13: Orlando Day 14: Orlando Day 15: Departure
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hey everyone!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus. In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
Hello,
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high. Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities? - Los Angeles - Las Vegas - San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
Thanks so much, and have a great day, everyone!
Gertjan






