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Grand tour des États-Unis sans voiture
by Peter56
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Voilà plus d'un an que je guettais et scrutais les expériences des voyageurs du forum sur la question des états unis. L'idée était de partir traverser le territoire d'Ouest en Est en 2 mois avec ma copine, en alternant villes et parcs nationaux. N'ayant pas 21 ans, pas de permis US et pas de contacts sur place, nous nous sommes résignés : pas de voiture.
Un bon gros nombre de "n'ayant jamais essayé" et de défaitistes s'arguaient contre le projet de quelques illuminés posant la question sur le forum : Est-il possible d'aller dans les Parcs Nationaux sans voiture ?
OUI
Je suis donc revenu il y a un mois de mon petit voyage de deux mois en amoureux, et je voulais en faire part aux quelques autres marginaux tentés par le projet.
Nous sommes arrivés à San Francisco mi mai, LA ville des transports en commun. La voiture aurait été un fardeau pour ses garer, et tout est beau à faire à pied (la ville est à taille humaine). Ensuite, direction Yosemite !
Amtrak (les trains) sont moins cher que le bus. Ils mènent jusqu'a la gare de Merced, ou vous attend un bus YARTS (Yosemite Area Region Transportation System) qui pour quelques dollars vous emmènent jusqu'a l'intérieur du parc. Il s'arrête même à Yosemite BUG, une auberge de jeunesse assez sympa à 1h du parc. Tous les matins nous prenions donc le Yarts pour se rendre au parc. A l'intérieur du parc les bus sont vivement conseillés, gratuits et plus pratiques.
Retour par San Francisco de la même manière qu'a l'aller. Nous avons ensuite descendu la côte californienne, un train puis un bus jusqu'à Santa Cruz, 2 petits bus de ville pour aller à Monterey, 1 train pour aller jusqu'a Santa Barbara, puis un autre pour aller à Los Angeles. Tout s'est passé à merveille, toutes les villes se font très bien en bus (même Los Angeles a son réseau de transports, sisi, n'écoutez pas le routard) et petite précision sur les trains Amtrak : ils sont relativement peu chers (parfois moins chers que greyhound), très confortables, immenses et passent par des paysages géniaux , on a même le bruit du tchou tchou style train à vapeur tout au long du voyage.. Les controleurs sont toujours avenants et sympathiques, tous les remboursements et échanges de billets se font par internet sans frais, ça change de la SNCF !
Ensuite : bus greyhound LA - Las Vegas
Dans las Vegas les bus sont un peu chers mais marchent assez bien.
Après, la ville, ça se complique un peu : les Parcs.
Nous nous somment rendus de Las Vegas à Zion National Park par une petite compagnie honéreuse mais de qualité. Ils partent de l'aéroport pour aller à Zion dans des petits vans ou.. en pick up Cadillac ! https://www.stgeorgeexpress.com/index.php
La compagnie Bundubus qui effectuait le trajet n'avait plus de place disponibles mais était motié moins cher. Dans Zion, un bus intérieur ; gratuit et obligatoire vous conduit au départ des meilleures randos.
Nous voulions absolument aller à Bryce Canyon. La compagnie Bundubus l'effectue 3 fois par semaine, mais nous voulions tester le stop (il n'y a quasiment qu'une route entre Zion et Bryce, et ça prend une heure) Il suffit de prendre le shuttle gratuit du parc, se poser sur la route qui mène à Bryce, et tous les gens qui passent vont à Bryce Canyon (ou Escalente Monument, mais il faut passer devant Bryce...) En moins de 10 minutes nous avons étés emmenés à Bryce Canyon. Les gens sont en vacances, en mode détente et le stop nous a été conseillé par un des rangers du parc...
Bryce Canyon propose aussi sn service de bus intérieur gratuit.
Une fois là bas, conquis par l'experience du stop nous nous sommes rendus à Salt lake city par les mêmes moyens. La route est en ligne droite, tout le monde va à Salt lake city ; rendre sa voiture de location, reprendre un avion, aller à Yellowstone etc...
A l'auberge de jeunesse de Salt lake City, les 95% des gens sont des jeunes routards qui veulent se rendre à Yellowstone, nous avons donc fais la connaissance d'un Allemand de 21ans, qui voulait trouver d'autres personnes pour louer une voiture et aller à Yellowstone (partager les frais). Il y a parait il un bus qui s'y rendrait de SLC, mais une fois sur place, le parc est tellement grand que le stop est la seule solution.
De retour à SLC, nous avons pris un train jusqu'a Chicago. 35h avec des Amish dans le wagon, c'était fun.
Chicagose visite aussi à pied ou en vélo, c'est magnifique. Nous avons ensuite pris greyhound pour nous rendre aux chutes du Niagara, en deux changements on arrive à la ville des chutes, puis un petit bus qui part de la gare routière de la ville Niagara Falls conduit directement aux chutes. Nous sommes retournés dans la nuit à Buffalo pour nous rendre à Montreal en Greyhound, puis à New York en Greyhound. Les deux dernières villes ont un réseau de métro et de bus impeccable et proposent des cartes prépayées assez pratiques.
Résultat pour deux mois de péregrination, nous avons dépensé 12€ par jour et par personne de transports sans compter l'avion. En voiture, en prenant compte de la location, des parkings et de l'essence, à moins d'être plus de 2 ou 3, les transports en communs marchent très bien et sont économiques (et écologiques).
Concernant l'hébergement, tout le monde nous a dit qu'il nous reviendrait à plus chers car les motels sont en dehors des villes. Les auberges sont plus sympas et moins chers, et situées en plein coeur des villes. Il nous en a couté 8€ par jour et par personne (on a pas mal campé et beaucoup dormi chez l'habitant, ça s'est toujours bien passé)
Niveau nourriture pareil, sans les restaurant de route, sans fast food, souvent sans cuisine (le camping dans les parcs est rudimentaire), la bouffe et les bars nous est revenu à 2,8€ par jour et par personne (ne pas avoir 21ans ça limite la conso dans les bars aussi).
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J'avais ecris plusieurs fois ici concernant la combinaison Amtrak + YARTS comme possibilite pour visiter Yosemite, mais je ne l'avais pas fait moi-meme (j'avais une voiture lors de mes visites a Yosemite). Ton compte-rendu sera tres utile pour les autres.
La derniere fois que j'etais a Yellowstone, je me suis arrete pour 2 personnes qui faisaient le stop. La premiere fois que j'etais a Yellowstone, j'etais a velo, qui est une autre solution pour ceux qui ne veulent pas ou qui ne peuvent pas louer une voiture. J'ai visitais d'autres parcs nationaux a velo, dont Zion, Bryce Canyon, Redwood, Grand Teton, Glacier, Rocky Mountain, et Olympic.
La derniere fois que j'etais a Yellowstone, je me suis arrete pour 2 personnes qui faisaient le stop. La premiere fois que j'etais a Yellowstone, j'etais a velo, qui est une autre solution pour ceux qui ne veulent pas ou qui ne peuvent pas louer une voiture. J'ai visitais d'autres parcs nationaux a velo, dont Zion, Bryce Canyon, Redwood, Grand Teton, Glacier, Rocky Mountain, et Olympic.
Votre témoignage rassurera sûrement les personnes de moins de 21 ans
qui se posaient la même question que vous sur la faisabilité d'un circuit dans l'Ouest !
Votre persévérance et votre débrouillardise sont venues à bout des obstacles, bravo !
En ce temps de crise et de lamentations sur les marchés,
ça prouve que les rêves sont encore à porter de main...
Votre budget final se monte à combien ?
(il reste l'avion comme gros budget, non?)
Conseils pour circuits dans l'Ouest américain : https://voyageforum.com/forum/conseils_etablir_son_circuit_dans_ouest_americain_resume_D5303777/
Interessant temoignage en effet, merci pour ce retour d'experience ? Je serais moi aussi interessee pour connaitre votre budget total...
"La liberté existe toujours, il suffit d'en payer le prix" - H. de Montherland
Mon blog tour du monde 2011-2012, devenu blog voyages, puis de nouveau blog tour du monde en 2016, puis blog de mon installation à la Réunion : www.smilingaroundtheworld.com
Mon blog tour du monde 2011-2012, devenu blog voyages, puis de nouveau blog tour du monde en 2016, puis blog de mon installation à la Réunion : www.smilingaroundtheworld.com
Eh bien, je suis épatée par votre récit. Je ne pensais pas que ce soit possible. Bravo !
Kristen
la bouffe et les bars nous est revenu à 2,8€ par jour et par personne
Comment avez-vous fait ?
Comment avez-vous fait ?
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très bon topic, qui m'aide pas mal sur le yosemite bug ! j'ai lu que le bus yarts coûtait 12 dol pour rejoindre le parc, mais l'entrée du parc est elle comprise dedans ?
As tu une idée des horaires ? une fois dedans on fait nos balades et on rentre quand on veut n'est ce pas ?
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un aller simple s'il vous plait !
Pour le Yarts, l'entrée est comprise oui. J'ai plus trop les horaires en tête, mais il y en a assez souvent, et jusqu'à tard. Si tu pars du Bug tous les jours, c'est donc 12$ par jour je crois. Si le Bug n'a plus de place tu peux tenter les campings du parc, sinon, le Yarts s'arrête après le Yosemite Bug devant un camping KOA, c'est cher mais ça peut dépanner. A l'intérieur du parc les shuttle gratuits passent tout le temps, genre tous les 5min en journée, et ils font la boucle du parc, ils s'arrêtent devant tous les points d'intérêts, campings, superettes, hotels, début sentier, point de départ du Yarts.
je me suis effectivement trompé pour le budget 🙂 C'est bien 2,8 par personne et par jour, mais par repas aussi. Ca fait du 8,4 euros par jour, petit dej, dejeuner, gouter, diner, bars. En dépenses totales, on a donc en $ et pour deux personnes pour 59 jours sans compter l'avion : Nourriture, bars : 1446,7$ Transports : 2269,5$ Hebergement : 1513,4$
A cela on peut rajouter les dépenses persos (vêtements, cadeaux, musées etc) 1000$.
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je me suis effectivement trompé pour le budget 🙂 C'est bien 2,8 par personne et par jour, mais par repas aussi. Ca fait du 8,4 euros par jour, petit dej, dejeuner, gouter, diner, bars. En dépenses totales, on a donc en $ et pour deux personnes pour 59 jours sans compter l'avion : Nourriture, bars : 1446,7$ Transports : 2269,5$ Hebergement : 1513,4$
A cela on peut rajouter les dépenses persos (vêtements, cadeaux, musées etc) 1000$.
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Salut,
Pour le Yarts, l'entrée est comprise oui. J'ai plus trop les horaires en tête, mais il y en a assez souvent, et jusqu'à tard. Si tu pars du Bug tous les jours, c'est donc 12$ par jour je crois. Si le Bug n'a plus de place tu peux tenter les campings du parc, sinon, le Yarts s'arrête après le Yosemite Bug devant un camping KOA, c'est cher mais ça peut dépanner.
Si le Yosemite Bug (camping dégueulasse lors de mon passage en 2010) est complet, je doute qu'il reste des places dans un camping à l'intérieur du parc.
En dépenses totales, on a donc en $ et pour deux personnes pour 59 jours sans compter l'avion : Nourriture, bars : 1446,7$ Transports : 2269,5$ Hebergement : 1513,4$
A cela on peut rajouter les dépenses persos (vêtements, cadeaux, musées etc) 1000$.
Finalement le budget transport ne me semble pas tellement moins cher que si on loue une voiture, même avec le surplus "jeune conducteur"...
Pour le Yarts, l'entrée est comprise oui. J'ai plus trop les horaires en tête, mais il y en a assez souvent, et jusqu'à tard. Si tu pars du Bug tous les jours, c'est donc 12$ par jour je crois. Si le Bug n'a plus de place tu peux tenter les campings du parc, sinon, le Yarts s'arrête après le Yosemite Bug devant un camping KOA, c'est cher mais ça peut dépanner.
Si le Yosemite Bug (camping dégueulasse lors de mon passage en 2010) est complet, je doute qu'il reste des places dans un camping à l'intérieur du parc.
En dépenses totales, on a donc en $ et pour deux personnes pour 59 jours sans compter l'avion : Nourriture, bars : 1446,7$ Transports : 2269,5$ Hebergement : 1513,4$
A cela on peut rajouter les dépenses persos (vêtements, cadeaux, musées etc) 1000$.
Finalement le budget transport ne me semble pas tellement moins cher que si on loue une voiture, même avec le surplus "jeune conducteur"...
Pour un moins de 25ans, louer une voiture pour 2mois, la rendre dans un état différent, avec l'essence (bien qu'elle soit peu chère, aucune voiture de consomme en dessous de 10l/100, et c'est souvent bien supérieur) , les assurances, les parkings en ville, tu n'arriveras jamais à moins 1100$ (prix qu'il nous est revenu par personne), tu peux en être sur. De plus nous avons passé pas mal de nuits dans les transports en commun, ce qui économise du temps et des nuits d'hôtels :) Il y a des inconvénients, certes, mais à moins de remplir la voiture, c'est la solution la plus éco.
Pour un moins de 25ans, louer une voiture pour 2mois, la rendre dans un état différent, avec l'essence (bien qu'elle soit peu chère, aucune voiture de consomme en dessous de 10l/100, et c'est souvent bien supérieur) , les assurances, les parkings en ville, tu n'arriveras jamais à moins 1100$ (prix qu'il nous est revenu par personne), tu peux en être sur. De plus nous avons passé pas mal de nuits dans les transports en commun, ce qui économise du temps et des nuits d'hôtels :) Il y a des inconvénients, certes, mais à moins de remplir la voiture, c'est la solution la plus éco.
Salut Peter,
Pourquoi vouloir rendre la voiture dans un état différent ? En général, sauf accident, les véhicules sont restitués en bon état et peu de monde se retrouve avec un supplément à payer.
Pour la consommation, j'ai loué une Focus l'an passé. Bilan sur 5000 km, 7 l/100. Leurs voitures petites ou moyennes ne consomment pas beaucoup plus qu'en Europe.
Pour le prix des parkings en ville, tu as raison, seulement j'ai jamais dit qu'il fallait garder la voiture tout le long du séjour. Dans certaines villes comme San Francisco ou Las Vegas, on peut très bien s'en débarrasser.
En bref, je ne dis pas qu'il faut tout faire en voiture, mais sur la partie des parcs de l'ouest, ton récit ne m'a pas convaincu.
Cela dit cette façon de voyager dans d'autres pays me semble tout à fait convenable.
Salut Peter,
Pourquoi vouloir rendre la voiture dans un état différent ? En général, sauf accident, les véhicules sont restitués en bon état et peu de monde se retrouve avec un supplément à payer.
Pour la consommation, j'ai loué une Focus l'an passé. Bilan sur 5000 km, 7 l/100. Leurs voitures petites ou moyennes ne consomment pas beaucoup plus qu'en Europe.
Pour le prix des parkings en ville, tu as raison, seulement j'ai jamais dit qu'il fallait garder la voiture tout le long du séjour. Dans certaines villes comme San Francisco ou Las Vegas, on peut très bien s'en débarrasser.
En bref, je ne dis pas qu'il faut tout faire en voiture, mais sur la partie des parcs de l'ouest, ton récit ne m'a pas convaincu.
Cela dit cette façon de voyager dans d'autres pays me semble tout à fait convenable.
Bonjour!
Il voulait dire dans un état différent comme par exemple: Floride, Californie, en l’occurrence ici New York. 😄😄😄
Il voulait dire dans un état différent comme par exemple: Floride, Californie, en l’occurrence ici New York. 😄😄😄
Malheureusement je n'ai pas le temps de continuer mes carnets de voyage, beaucoup de travail pour l'instant...
Salut Florian,
Effectivement, je devais pas avoir les idées bien claires ce jour là...😏
2 ans et demi plus tard et après plus de 2000 vues, il était temps que quelqu'un fasse la remarque.
Effectivement, je devais pas avoir les idées bien claires ce jour là...😏
2 ans et demi plus tard et après plus de 2000 vues, il était temps que quelqu'un fasse la remarque.
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Stay from July 31 to August 26, 2026: Car rental – check, Hotels – check, Itinerary – almost check, Photo gear – check, Budget – check, 🤪 Meal planning – meh, we’ll see... Walmart, of course, for the cooler when we arrive.
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Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon! Marcalamar 🙂
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We’re heading to Las Vegas this summer and would love to rent a classic convertible Cadillac or something similar. Any recommendations? Thanks.
We’re heading to Las Vegas this summer and would love to rent a classic convertible Cadillac or something similar. Any recommendations? Thanks.
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!