Bonjour,
juste un petit mot pour montrer combien peuvent être délicates certaines pistes après l'orage, même pour un spécialiste :
House Rock Valley Road
en prime, de biens belles photos.
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House Rock Valley Road: difficultés
by Isap29
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Bonjour Alain Pierre
Super le site indiqué, et les photos vraiment magnifiques .
Mais pour en revenir à l'objet de ton post (la House Rock Valley Rd sous l'orage), je ne suis pas surpris, car j'ai moi aussi payé pour savoir, même si je ne me suis pas enlisé comme lui ; probablement parceque le terrain n'avait pas encore dégénéré. Voir http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4887076#4887076 C'était aussi en aout, mais une année plus tôt (2011).
A+
JP
Super le site indiqué, et les photos vraiment magnifiques .
Mais pour en revenir à l'objet de ton post (la House Rock Valley Rd sous l'orage), je ne suis pas surpris, car j'ai moi aussi payé pour savoir, même si je ne me suis pas enlisé comme lui ; probablement parceque le terrain n'avait pas encore dégénéré. Voir http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4887076#4887076 C'était aussi en aout, mais une année plus tôt (2011).
A+
JP
De l'Alaska à l'Arizona : contrastes. Voir https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4396533#4396533
Dans la vie, le pire qui pourrait nous arriver serait qu'il ne nous arrive rien !
Dans la vie, le pire qui pourrait nous arriver serait qu'il ne nous arrive rien !
Bonjour Jean-Pierre,
Super le site indiqué
Oui, j'adore ce site mais, comme me l'a fait remarquer Sedonax, Randy est très souvent par monts et par veaux et répond rarement aux questions. Dommage, car il semble vraiment être connaisseur.
En tout cas, qu'une telle mésaventure lui arrive, montre bien à quel point il faut se méfier.
Super le site indiqué
Oui, j'adore ce site mais, comme me l'a fait remarquer Sedonax, Randy est très souvent par monts et par veaux et répond rarement aux questions. Dommage, car il semble vraiment être connaisseur.
En tout cas, qu'une telle mésaventure lui arrive, montre bien à quel point il faut se méfier.
Hello,
Oui, j'adore ce site mais, comme me l'a fait remarquer Sedonax, Randy est très souvent par monts et par veaux et répond rarement aux questions. Dommage, car il semble vraiment être connaisseur.
Je confirme que Randy est un grand connaisseur de l'Ouest en plus d'être un excellent photographe. Pour ce qui est notamment des ruines et du rock-art indien, on associe nos connaissances et nos recherches pour trouver des sites confidentiels et ces deux dernières années on s'est donné rendez vous sur place pour de fructueuses journées de découverte.
En tout cas, qu'une telle mésaventure lui arrive, montre bien à quel point il faut se méfier.
Absolument, d'autant plus que Randy est un expert de la conduite en 4x4 (il était membre d'un club spécialisé dans cette activité) et qu'il a déjà fait plusieurs fois des pistes mythiques comme comme par exemple (autour de Moab) Hell's Revenge, Pritchett Canyon, Poison Spider Mesa, Elephant Hill (qu'il trouve facile !). Mais quelques orages qui ont créé une courte portion boueuse sur la House Rock Valley Rock, qui peut se prendre d'habitude avec une berline classique, ont suffit à l'arrêter (heureusement qu'il avait un treuil sur sa Jeep pour s'en sortir).
Philippe
Philippe
Oui, j'adore ce site mais, comme me l'a fait remarquer Sedonax, Randy est très souvent par monts et par veaux et répond rarement aux questions. Dommage, car il semble vraiment être connaisseur.
Je confirme que Randy est un grand connaisseur de l'Ouest en plus d'être un excellent photographe. Pour ce qui est notamment des ruines et du rock-art indien, on associe nos connaissances et nos recherches pour trouver des sites confidentiels et ces deux dernières années on s'est donné rendez vous sur place pour de fructueuses journées de découverte.
En tout cas, qu'une telle mésaventure lui arrive, montre bien à quel point il faut se méfier.
Absolument, d'autant plus que Randy est un expert de la conduite en 4x4 (il était membre d'un club spécialisé dans cette activité) et qu'il a déjà fait plusieurs fois des pistes mythiques comme comme par exemple (autour de Moab) Hell's Revenge, Pritchett Canyon, Poison Spider Mesa, Elephant Hill (qu'il trouve facile !). Mais quelques orages qui ont créé une courte portion boueuse sur la House Rock Valley Rock, qui peut se prendre d'habitude avec une berline classique, ont suffit à l'arrêter (heureusement qu'il avait un treuil sur sa Jeep pour s'en sortir).
Philippe
Philippe
www.phschuler.com et www.ouestusa.fr, pour une vision de l'Ouest en dehors des sentiers battus.
Carnet de voyage Ouest USA 2009
bonjour Philippe
En tout cas, qu'une telle mésaventure lui arrive, montre bien à quel point il faut se méfier.
Absolument,
comme tu le dis .. ab- so- lu-ment
...il en faut si peu pour se planter dans une situation comme celle-ci
on appuie un peu plus sur l'accélérateur au moment de franchir le talus ce qui déclenche ou accentue le patinage et en cas de quicksand (en réalité la plupart du temps plutôt de quickmud) la liquéfaction...et hop... à ce moment là il vaut mieux être bien équipé comme ton copain avec un bon treuil... mais encore faut-il trouver un point d'ancrage...
mais s'il s'agit vraiment de ''quicksand/mud'' et c'est vrai que le bas des talus de rivière sont un des sites favorables , alors là pas grand chose à faire.... d'autant qu'il est bien difficile de les reconnaître à l'avance.. j'ai eu une ou deux expériences spectaculaires autant que soudaines d'un phénomène analogue (liquéfaction soudaine d'un milieu jusqu'ici solide)😮
un petit truc : en cas de zône suspecte, prendre sa pelle et taper dessus du plat à coups redoublés. Si c'est ferme ou si çà s'enfonce seulement sous la pelle c'est bon ….. mais si çà produit un effet ''jello'' autour de la pelle, comme sur une tourbière, c'est pas bon …. c'est probablement thixotrope ...il vaut mieux contourner à l'occasion tu nous dira si çà marche..😛
dit en passant … et toujours à propos de ''quicksand'' ...toi qui fréquentes l'Utah de long en large et en travers as tu noté ce qui est arrivé à ce ''hiker'' qui heureusement n'était pas seul en novembre dernier : Man rescued after being trapped in 'quicksand' for 13 hours alors qu'il participait à … un ''wilderness survival course''.. çà ne s'invente pas
M ceci étant dit, dans les régions forestières souvent boueuses du Canada j'emportais parfois outre le treuil monté, pelle, scie à chaîne etc... deux plaques de désemsablage qui sont en fait utiles dans toutes sortes de situation
en tous cas quand j'entends parler d'embourbement je ne peux m'empêcher de revenir sur un fait divers dont je crois en avoir déjà parlé, mais si tu as manqué l'épisode, çà vaut son pesant de sel : Stuck and Stucker: Truck Drivers Learn a Hard Lesson
résumons si l'on peut :
- alors qu'elle venait de filmer l'édition 2007 d'une traditionnelle course sur le célèbre ''Bonneville salt flat'' l'équipe du producteur TV Boyd Coddington décide de quitter les lieux avec leur superbe ''motor home''..
- le véhicule roule 200m et s'embourbe ou plutôt ''s'ensaumure'' jusqu'aux essieux
- la cavalerie arrive à la rescousse sous la forme de deux camions jaunes... Ils tombent aussi dans le piège et ''s'ensaumurent'' aussi
- qu'à cela ne tienne dit le chef dépanneur sûr de lui , Big Blue va nous tirer de là
- Big Blue arrive tout fringant, grue levée, il tombe aussitôt dans le piège et '' s'ensaumure'' itou
- La nuit portant conseil on laisse les assiégés (quatre poids lourds) à leur triste sort
- le lendemain matin la dernière réserve arrive sous la forme d'un quatrième camion de dépannage encore plus gros et à trois axes
- il arrive à tirer Big Blue sur une centaine de mètres mais Big Blue sombre de nouveau et encore plus profondément dans la saumure
- le chef décide de sortir Big Blue de là à l'aide de son propre treuil en utilisant le motor home de Coddington comme point d'ancrage
- l'angle de traction n'est pas bon et le câble d'acier commence à s'effilocher... voilà maintenant un câble sous tension susceptible de se transformer à tout instant en grande faucheuse à 1 mètre de hauteur... impossible de continuer comme çà
un vrai pataquès.... le moment est venu de mettre sur pied une '' Commission d'évaluation'' diraient certains
l'affaire a duré encore la plus grande partie de la journée...
moralité : appliquer la procédure STG avant d'entrer en action🙂 : 1 STOP – 2 THINK – 3 GO
tout ceci n'est cependant rien à côté de ce à quoi peut aboutir un enlisement en zône de tourbière ou muskeg au Canada notamment dans le nord du Saskatchewan et de l'Alberta le muskeg qui après avoir avalé chariots de pionniers 😠 ! avale encore bulldozers et autres engins .. il se dit d'ailleurs que certains ont disparu à tout jamais... brr.. mais çà c'est une autre histoire
En tout cas, qu'une telle mésaventure lui arrive, montre bien à quel point il faut se méfier.
Absolument,comme tu le dis .. ab- so- lu-ment
...il en faut si peu pour se planter dans une situation comme celle-ci
on appuie un peu plus sur l'accélérateur au moment de franchir le talus ce qui déclenche ou accentue le patinage et en cas de quicksand (en réalité la plupart du temps plutôt de quickmud) la liquéfaction...et hop... à ce moment là il vaut mieux être bien équipé comme ton copain avec un bon treuil... mais encore faut-il trouver un point d'ancrage...
mais s'il s'agit vraiment de ''quicksand/mud'' et c'est vrai que le bas des talus de rivière sont un des sites favorables , alors là pas grand chose à faire.... d'autant qu'il est bien difficile de les reconnaître à l'avance.. j'ai eu une ou deux expériences spectaculaires autant que soudaines d'un phénomène analogue (liquéfaction soudaine d'un milieu jusqu'ici solide)😮
un petit truc : en cas de zône suspecte, prendre sa pelle et taper dessus du plat à coups redoublés. Si c'est ferme ou si çà s'enfonce seulement sous la pelle c'est bon ….. mais si çà produit un effet ''jello'' autour de la pelle, comme sur une tourbière, c'est pas bon …. c'est probablement thixotrope ...il vaut mieux contourner à l'occasion tu nous dira si çà marche..😛
dit en passant … et toujours à propos de ''quicksand'' ...toi qui fréquentes l'Utah de long en large et en travers as tu noté ce qui est arrivé à ce ''hiker'' qui heureusement n'était pas seul en novembre dernier : Man rescued after being trapped in 'quicksand' for 13 hours alors qu'il participait à … un ''wilderness survival course''.. çà ne s'invente pas
M ceci étant dit, dans les régions forestières souvent boueuses du Canada j'emportais parfois outre le treuil monté, pelle, scie à chaîne etc... deux plaques de désemsablage qui sont en fait utiles dans toutes sortes de situation
en tous cas quand j'entends parler d'embourbement je ne peux m'empêcher de revenir sur un fait divers dont je crois en avoir déjà parlé, mais si tu as manqué l'épisode, çà vaut son pesant de sel : Stuck and Stucker: Truck Drivers Learn a Hard Lesson
résumons si l'on peut :
- alors qu'elle venait de filmer l'édition 2007 d'une traditionnelle course sur le célèbre ''Bonneville salt flat'' l'équipe du producteur TV Boyd Coddington décide de quitter les lieux avec leur superbe ''motor home''..
- le véhicule roule 200m et s'embourbe ou plutôt ''s'ensaumure'' jusqu'aux essieux
- la cavalerie arrive à la rescousse sous la forme de deux camions jaunes... Ils tombent aussi dans le piège et ''s'ensaumurent'' aussi
- qu'à cela ne tienne dit le chef dépanneur sûr de lui , Big Blue va nous tirer de là
- Big Blue arrive tout fringant, grue levée, il tombe aussitôt dans le piège et '' s'ensaumure'' itou
- La nuit portant conseil on laisse les assiégés (quatre poids lourds) à leur triste sort
- le lendemain matin la dernière réserve arrive sous la forme d'un quatrième camion de dépannage encore plus gros et à trois axes
- il arrive à tirer Big Blue sur une centaine de mètres mais Big Blue sombre de nouveau et encore plus profondément dans la saumure
- le chef décide de sortir Big Blue de là à l'aide de son propre treuil en utilisant le motor home de Coddington comme point d'ancrage
- l'angle de traction n'est pas bon et le câble d'acier commence à s'effilocher... voilà maintenant un câble sous tension susceptible de se transformer à tout instant en grande faucheuse à 1 mètre de hauteur... impossible de continuer comme çà
un vrai pataquès.... le moment est venu de mettre sur pied une '' Commission d'évaluation'' diraient certains
l'affaire a duré encore la plus grande partie de la journée...
moralité : appliquer la procédure STG avant d'entrer en action🙂 : 1 STOP – 2 THINK – 3 GO
tout ceci n'est cependant rien à côté de ce à quoi peut aboutir un enlisement en zône de tourbière ou muskeg au Canada notamment dans le nord du Saskatchewan et de l'Alberta le muskeg qui après avoir avalé chariots de pionniers 😠 ! avale encore bulldozers et autres engins .. il se dit d'ailleurs que certains ont disparu à tout jamais... brr.. mais çà c'est une autre histoire
Suite des "Rencontres insolites avec des grizzlys, chercheurs d'or et autres dans l'Ouest Américain" (26 février 2009)
Hello Jean Paul,
Comme toujours, j'adore tes posts qui racontent des anecdotes étonnantes émaillées de conseils pratiques !
un petit truc : en cas de zône suspecte, prendre sa pelle et taper dessus du plat à coups redoublés. Si c'est ferme ou si çà s'enfonce seulement sous la pelle c'est bon ….. mais si çà produit un effet ''jello'' autour de la pelle, comme sur une tourbière, c'est pas bon …. c'est probablement thixotrope ...il vaut mieux contourner à l'occasion tu nous dira si çà marche..😛
Je testerai en cas besoin si je suis avec des amis équipés d'une pelle car j'avoue que je n'en ai pas dans mon véhicule de location.
dit en passant … et toujours à propos de ''quicksand'' ...toi qui fréquentes l'Utah de long en large et en travers as tu noté ce qui est arrivé à ce ''hiker'' qui heureusement n'était pas seul en novembre dernier : Man rescued after being trapped in 'quicksand' for 13 hours alors qu'il participait à … un ''wilderness survival course''.. çà ne s'invente pas
Merci pour le lien, je n'avais pas lu cette histoire. Le plus surprenant est qu'après cette expérience angoissante le gars est vite retourné à son ''wilderness survival course''.
En randonnée, je n'ai rencontré du quick sand que dans Coyote Gulch mais ce n'était que jusqu'à mi mollet et dans Hackberry Canyon une fois jusqu'aux genoux (il a fallu faire un effort pour en sortir et du coup je n'ai pas continué plus loin).
en tous cas quand j'entends parler d'embourbement je ne peux m'empêcher de revenir sur un fait divers dont je crois en avoir déjà parlé, mais si tu as manqué l'épisode, çà vaut son pesant de sel : Stuck and Stucker: Truck Drivers Learn a Hard Lesson
Quelle galère ! Sur ton lien, les photos sont impressionantes. OK, si je vais visiter Bonneville Sand Flats, je n'irai pas faire dessus des essais de vitesse avec mon SUV de location !
tout ceci n'est cependant rien à côté de ce à quoi peut aboutir un enlisement en zône de tourbière ou muskeg au Canada notamment dans le nord du Saskatchewan et de l'Alberta le muskeg qui après avoir avalé chariots de pionniers 😠 ! avale encore bulldozers et autres engins ..
Quand on voit sur cette vidéo qu'il a fallu 8 bonshommes, 10 heures de travail (et 1200 $ !) pour désembourber 2 pickups scotchés dans le muskeg, on imagine ce que cela devait donner pour un charriot rempli à rabord ou un bulldozer.
A+
Philippe
Comme toujours, j'adore tes posts qui racontent des anecdotes étonnantes émaillées de conseils pratiques !
un petit truc : en cas de zône suspecte, prendre sa pelle et taper dessus du plat à coups redoublés. Si c'est ferme ou si çà s'enfonce seulement sous la pelle c'est bon ….. mais si çà produit un effet ''jello'' autour de la pelle, comme sur une tourbière, c'est pas bon …. c'est probablement thixotrope ...il vaut mieux contourner à l'occasion tu nous dira si çà marche..😛
Je testerai en cas besoin si je suis avec des amis équipés d'une pelle car j'avoue que je n'en ai pas dans mon véhicule de location.
dit en passant … et toujours à propos de ''quicksand'' ...toi qui fréquentes l'Utah de long en large et en travers as tu noté ce qui est arrivé à ce ''hiker'' qui heureusement n'était pas seul en novembre dernier : Man rescued after being trapped in 'quicksand' for 13 hours alors qu'il participait à … un ''wilderness survival course''.. çà ne s'invente pas
Merci pour le lien, je n'avais pas lu cette histoire. Le plus surprenant est qu'après cette expérience angoissante le gars est vite retourné à son ''wilderness survival course''.
En randonnée, je n'ai rencontré du quick sand que dans Coyote Gulch mais ce n'était que jusqu'à mi mollet et dans Hackberry Canyon une fois jusqu'aux genoux (il a fallu faire un effort pour en sortir et du coup je n'ai pas continué plus loin).
en tous cas quand j'entends parler d'embourbement je ne peux m'empêcher de revenir sur un fait divers dont je crois en avoir déjà parlé, mais si tu as manqué l'épisode, çà vaut son pesant de sel : Stuck and Stucker: Truck Drivers Learn a Hard Lesson
Quelle galère ! Sur ton lien, les photos sont impressionantes. OK, si je vais visiter Bonneville Sand Flats, je n'irai pas faire dessus des essais de vitesse avec mon SUV de location !
tout ceci n'est cependant rien à côté de ce à quoi peut aboutir un enlisement en zône de tourbière ou muskeg au Canada notamment dans le nord du Saskatchewan et de l'Alberta le muskeg qui après avoir avalé chariots de pionniers 😠 ! avale encore bulldozers et autres engins ..
Quand on voit sur cette vidéo qu'il a fallu 8 bonshommes, 10 heures de travail (et 1200 $ !) pour désembourber 2 pickups scotchés dans le muskeg, on imagine ce que cela devait donner pour un charriot rempli à rabord ou un bulldozer.
A+
Philippe
www.phschuler.com et www.ouestusa.fr, pour une vision de l'Ouest en dehors des sentiers battus.
Carnet de voyage Ouest USA 2009
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Best,
Hi there,
We're leaving at the end of June and will be driving the route between Buffalo and Cody. We’ve already booked our accommodations and a rodeo in Cody, but during the day, we’ll be driving between the two and I’m unsure about the itinerary. Which route do you think is the most pleasant, interesting, or scenic between: - The northern route via Highway 14 with Sheridan, Lowell, etc. - The southern route with Highways 16/20/14, passing by Loaf Mountain Overlook, Powder River Pass, Ten Sleep Canyon...
We’ll be in a car, so we should be able to drive on any road. Thanks for your input!
Laura
We're leaving at the end of June and will be driving the route between Buffalo and Cody. We’ve already booked our accommodations and a rodeo in Cody, but during the day, we’ll be driving between the two and I’m unsure about the itinerary. Which route do you think is the most pleasant, interesting, or scenic between: - The northern route via Highway 14 with Sheridan, Lowell, etc. - The southern route with Highways 16/20/14, passing by Loaf Mountain Overlook, Powder River Pass, Ten Sleep Canyon...
We’ll be in a car, so we should be able to drive on any road. Thanks for your input!
Laura
Hi everyone! 🙂
I’m almost done planning our September road trip. After our 3-night visit to Sequoia, we’ll have a stopover night in Coalinga (to break up the drive). We’ll be staying two nights in Monterey and would like to stop along the way to visit one side of Pinnacles National Park. We’re torn between the West entrance and the East entrance, and we’d like to do a short hike of no more than 2 hours since we don’t want to arrive too late in Monterey.
This park is split into two distinct zones with no connection between them, and the mileage from Coalinga to Monterey is pretty much the same for both. Which area do you recommend visiting—east or west? And which route is the most scenic?
I’ve spotted two short hikes: - East: Moses Spring to Rim Trail Loop - West: Balconies Cliffs Cave Loop
Has anyone been there, or do you have another hike to suggest?
Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon! Marcalamar 🙂
I’m almost done planning our September road trip. After our 3-night visit to Sequoia, we’ll have a stopover night in Coalinga (to break up the drive). We’ll be staying two nights in Monterey and would like to stop along the way to visit one side of Pinnacles National Park. We’re torn between the West entrance and the East entrance, and we’d like to do a short hike of no more than 2 hours since we don’t want to arrive too late in Monterey.
This park is split into two distinct zones with no connection between them, and the mileage from Coalinga to Monterey is pretty much the same for both. Which area do you recommend visiting—east or west? And which route is the most scenic?
I’ve spotted two short hikes: - East: Moses Spring to Rim Trail Loop - West: Balconies Cliffs Cave Loop
Has anyone been there, or do you have another hike to suggest?
Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon! Marcalamar 🙂
Hi there,
We’re heading to Las Vegas this summer and would love to rent a classic convertible Cadillac or something similar. Any recommendations? Thanks.
We’re heading to Las Vegas this summer and would love to rent a classic convertible Cadillac or something similar. Any recommendations? Thanks.
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route: Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
There are several attractions along the way: - Mormon Rocks - Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite - Joshua Tree National Park - Mojave Desert - Mojave National Preserve - Anza-Borrego Desert State Park - Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
Thanks so much. The trip would be in fall 2026
Hi there,
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Quick question—I’m heading to New York soon and I’d love to know if you guys have any recommendations for websites where I can buy concert tickets?
Hi there,
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon. We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre. Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Thanks!
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
**Parking:** We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:** Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:** Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Thanks in advance for your tips! 🙂
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here’s our itinerary: Day 1: Davis – overnight stop Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen) Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes) Day 6: South Lake Tahoe Day 7: South Lake Tahoe Day 8: Mammoth Lake Day 9: Mammoth Lake Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road Day 11: El Portal Day 12: El Portal Day 13: Oakhurst Day 14: Miramonte Day 15: Three Rivers Day 16: Three Rivers Day 17: Coalinga Day 18: Monterey Day 19: Monterey Day 20: San Francisco Day 21: San Francisco Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned: Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2) Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3) Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4) Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV? Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening! Marcalamar 🙂
Here's a tip for future visitors!
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/3-national-parks-slash-red-tape-americans-boldly-transforming-visitor-entry
Hi everyone,
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
Hello,
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas) T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC) W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV) F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Christophe
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
Hi everyone.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks... For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400, which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.). Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
That’s all for now.
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!