Le Laos trop touristique?
by Kroupet
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Le Laos est une destination qui m'attire, aimant particulièrement la pénisule indochinoise (j'ai travaillé au Cambodge).
Cepndant 2 amis qui y sont alés en janvier m'en ont donné une description pas précisément attirante.
Un ami qui a travaillé au Laos il y a qelques années m'a dit texto : c'est devenu Dysneyland, et de me décrire les hordes de touristes se déversant par millers dans les temples pour les visites avant de reprendre le bateau pour leur prochaine étape...
Une amie Laosienne qui n'était pas non plus retournée au Laos depuis des années m'a dit carrément : n'y va pas, c'est hyper touristique ce n'est plus du tout authentique etc...
Je dois préciser pour éclairer un peu les choses que j'ai eu l'occasion de reourner quelques jours à Bangkok en janvier (j'ai fait plusieurs séjour en Thaillande il y a une quinzaine d'année) et que je me suis dis que c'était bien la dernière fois que je retournais en Thaïande :au palais royal et au wat po on se serait cru à Chatelet à 18 heures un soir de grève.
Je m'adresse donc à ceux qui comme moi sont plus Birmanie et cambodge que Thaiïlande : le Laos est-il devennu trop touristique?Faut-il comme à Angkor se lever à 5 heures pour les visites ou voyager hors saison.
Avez-vous des astuces à proposer?
🙂bonjour oui hélas il y a beaucoup de touristes qui au demerant ne sont de surcroit pas trés sympatique de la a ne pas y allé ce serais dommage les habitant sont tellement gentils mais il faut avoir un peut de temp et beaucoup de persévérance car les bus ne roule pas vite et il n'y a que des virages pour montér dans le nord ou la ce n'est pas encore trop touché par le tourisme de masse comme a luang prabang ou pakbeng des images du laos sur mon site www.jpaventure.com
routard ou backpacker ok mais pas de voyage a n'importe quel prix
Salut,
Oui, le Laos est de plus en plus touristique, mais perso je trouve que ça reste raisonnable; Après c'est comme partout : si tu restes sur les autoroutes touristiques, tu verras beaucoup de monde. A toi de faire ton parcours en évitant les gros spots (ex: vang vieng) Malgré le développement du tourisme, le Laos reste un des pays les plus tranquilles que je connaisse...
Oui, le Laos est de plus en plus touristique, mais perso je trouve que ça reste raisonnable; Après c'est comme partout : si tu restes sur les autoroutes touristiques, tu verras beaucoup de monde. A toi de faire ton parcours en évitant les gros spots (ex: vang vieng) Malgré le développement du tourisme, le Laos reste un des pays les plus tranquilles que je connaisse...
Cyrille
🙂Je te conseille:
Le Pôle nord, y a pas trop de touristes, c'est le moment d'y aller😉 😄😏😏 Méfies toi, y en a qui se déguisent en ours blancs 😄😏😏 "Quand la banquise fond, tout fout le camp" (Proverbe Inuit) 😉
Nous sommes maîtres de la terre Nous nous croyons des presque Dieu Et pan ! le nez dans la poussière Qu'est-ce que nous sommes : Des pouilleux
{Refrain:} Et là-haut les oiseaux Qui nous voient tout petit, si petits Tournent, tournent sur nous Et crient : "Au fou ! Au fou !"
Nous nageons tous dans la bêtise Et l'on invente des drapeaux On met des couleurs aux chemises Sous la chemise y a la peau {au Refrain}
Ecoutez le monde en folie Vive la mort, vive la fin Pas un ne crie vive la vie Nous sommes tous des assassins {au Refrain}
Et toute la terre qui gronde Bonne saison pour les volcans On va faire sauter le monde Cramponnez-vous, tout fout l'camp !
Et là-haut les corbeaux Qui nous voient tout petit, si petits Tournent comme des fous Et crient : A nous ! A nous !
La vie pourrait être si belle Si l'on voulait vivre d'abord Pourquoi se creuser la cervelle Quand y a du bon soleil dehors !
variante Edith Piaf Et pourtant les filles sont belles Et y a du beau soleil dehors Pourquoi se creuser la cervelle Au diable tout, vivons d'abord
Et là-haut les corbeaux Qui nous voient tout petit, si petits Crient : les hommes sont fous Ils se foutent de nous !
Paroles: Raymond Asso. Musique: Juel 1939 © 1939 Editions SEMI autres interprètes: Edith Piaf
Nous sommes maîtres de la terre Nous nous croyons des presque Dieu Et pan ! le nez dans la poussière Qu'est-ce que nous sommes : Des pouilleux
{Refrain:} Et là-haut les oiseaux Qui nous voient tout petit, si petits Tournent, tournent sur nous Et crient : "Au fou ! Au fou !"
Nous nageons tous dans la bêtise Et l'on invente des drapeaux On met des couleurs aux chemises Sous la chemise y a la peau {au Refrain}
Ecoutez le monde en folie Vive la mort, vive la fin Pas un ne crie vive la vie Nous sommes tous des assassins {au Refrain}
Et toute la terre qui gronde Bonne saison pour les volcans On va faire sauter le monde Cramponnez-vous, tout fout l'camp !
Et là-haut les corbeaux Qui nous voient tout petit, si petits Tournent comme des fous Et crient : A nous ! A nous !
La vie pourrait être si belle Si l'on voulait vivre d'abord Pourquoi se creuser la cervelle Quand y a du bon soleil dehors !
variante Edith Piaf Et pourtant les filles sont belles Et y a du beau soleil dehors Pourquoi se creuser la cervelle Au diable tout, vivons d'abord
Et là-haut les corbeaux Qui nous voient tout petit, si petits Crient : les hommes sont fous Ils se foutent de nous !
Paroles: Raymond Asso. Musique: Juel 1939 © 1939 Editions SEMI autres interprètes: Edith Piaf
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Un ami qui a travaillé au Laos il y a qelques années m'a dit texto : c'est devenu Dysneyland, et de me décrire les hordes de touristes se déversant par millers dans les temples pour les visites avant de reprendre le bateau pour leur prochaine étape...
ça c'est assez vrai à Luang Prabang, encore que, crois-moi, c'est vivable... Sachant qu'environ 80% des gens qui se rendent au Laos se contentent d'un AR BKK/Luang Prabang, doit on résumé un pays à une seule ville ????... Aurai-tu l'idée stupide de comparer un quartier très touristique de Bangkok (comme le palais Royal ou le Wat Po, par ewemple😄) et d'en tirer des conclusions à l'ensemble de la Thailande ??? Non, tu ne ferai pas ça... si ???... Ah bon... euh pardon alors...🤪🤪😛
Enfin tout ça pour dire que le Laos s'ouvre depuis plusieurs années au tourisme certes, mais de là à dire que c'est devenu "hyper touristique"... non, sincèrement je pense que tu encore trouver de l'authentique Laos sans dificulté. L'année dernière, en haute saison, j'ai visité Angkor. En dehors d'Angkor Wat, où c'est vrai que c'est un peu ambiance fête forraine, je na'ai jamais eu l'impression d'être attaqué par des hordes de touristes. Il suffit parfois de pas grand chose pour se retrouver tout seul...
Avez-vous des astuces à proposer?
Ne pas prendre l'expérience d'une ou deux personnes pour une vérité, surtout en matière de voyage. Expérience directe et personnelle, OUI !!! Enfin bon, si t'as 1000 réponses sur VF qui te disent que le Laos ne vaut plus le coup alors oublie l'expérience directe et perso et laisse place à la sagesse des anciens...😛 Mais bon, franchement j'en doute.
Bon voyage
Namasté
ça c'est assez vrai à Luang Prabang, encore que, crois-moi, c'est vivable... Sachant qu'environ 80% des gens qui se rendent au Laos se contentent d'un AR BKK/Luang Prabang, doit on résumé un pays à une seule ville ????... Aurai-tu l'idée stupide de comparer un quartier très touristique de Bangkok (comme le palais Royal ou le Wat Po, par ewemple😄) et d'en tirer des conclusions à l'ensemble de la Thailande ??? Non, tu ne ferai pas ça... si ???... Ah bon... euh pardon alors...🤪🤪😛
Enfin tout ça pour dire que le Laos s'ouvre depuis plusieurs années au tourisme certes, mais de là à dire que c'est devenu "hyper touristique"... non, sincèrement je pense que tu encore trouver de l'authentique Laos sans dificulté. L'année dernière, en haute saison, j'ai visité Angkor. En dehors d'Angkor Wat, où c'est vrai que c'est un peu ambiance fête forraine, je na'ai jamais eu l'impression d'être attaqué par des hordes de touristes. Il suffit parfois de pas grand chose pour se retrouver tout seul...
Avez-vous des astuces à proposer?
Ne pas prendre l'expérience d'une ou deux personnes pour une vérité, surtout en matière de voyage. Expérience directe et personnelle, OUI !!! Enfin bon, si t'as 1000 réponses sur VF qui te disent que le Laos ne vaut plus le coup alors oublie l'expérience directe et perso et laisse place à la sagesse des anciens...😛 Mais bon, franchement j'en doute.
Bon voyage
Namasté
"Si vous croisez le Bouddha, tuez-le !!!"
Luan prabang est assez touristique, comme j'ai lu avant, tu as beaucoup de gens qui fond bkk - luan prabang en vol direct et retour, ca me fait penser un peu au mont st michel .... perso, je n'ai pas trop aime. pour le reste du pays, ca vaut vraiment la peine d'y aller. j'y ete en janvier de cette annee, j'ai trouve ca vraiment super voir http://philippegabriel.blogspot.com/search/label/Laos.
Salut,
Cela dépend de ce que tu souhaites y faire. L'an dernier je n'y ai pas croisé un seul autre touriste en 34 jours (récit ci-dessous). Cette année, à nouveau personne durant 40 jours (récit à venir dans quelques semaines).
Avez-vous des astuces à proposer?
N'utilise aucun guide de voyage, mais seulement une carte géographique.
Fais les bons choix, bon vent !
A + 321
Cela dépend de ce que tu souhaites y faire. L'an dernier je n'y ai pas croisé un seul autre touriste en 34 jours (récit ci-dessous). Cette année, à nouveau personne durant 40 jours (récit à venir dans quelques semaines).
Avez-vous des astuces à proposer?
N'utilise aucun guide de voyage, mais seulement une carte géographique.
Fais les bons choix, bon vent !
A + 321
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Il y a un fait indeniable : il y a de plus en plus de monde au Laos ! Et les prix ont bien augmente. Maintenant je pense que la Thailande offre un rapport qualite-prix, en ce qui concerne les guest houses, bien meilleur que celui du Laos !
Pour sortir de l'autoroute, comme il est dit, il faut aller a Vieng Xai, a quelques klm de Sam Neua, Atteupeu - j'ai la flemme d'y aller ! Et...ca va surprendre : Champssak ! J'y ai sejourner 6 jours, 6 jours dans la campagne, les touristes restent au maximun une nuit, et ne sont pas interesse par les chemins de traverse !
Pour savoir si vous vous plaisez au Laos, faire ce test : quand on arrive a Vientiane par le sud, le car s'arrete a la gare...du sud, situee a 12 klm du centre. Et la, au boulot pour se sortir de cet espece de parking qu'on appelle station, et des griffes de la corporation des chauffeurs de tuk-tuk ! Si vous arrives a 3/4, vous etes en position de force pour negocier ! Je vous raconte pas comment j'ai procede, faut pas craquer, et ne pas penser que les Laos sont tous pouris...parce que les Laos qui debarquent dans cette gare invraisemblable bataillent eux aussi !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
pour trouver un endroit où il n'y a pas de touristes c'est très simple:
tu choisis un endroit où il n'y a rien d'interessant voir, pas de culture, pas de paysage sympa, ou les conditions de vie sont épouvantables, en guerre de préférence et là tu seras certaine d'être la seule touriste...peut-être avec tous ceux qui ne supportent pas " les touristes"
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Laurence
on doit pas avoir la meme conception de chatelet un soir de grève!!!
Dans le Nord et l'Ouest Lao l'été de l'année dernière, je n'ai jamais croisé plus de 3 occidentaux à chaque endroit (Houey Say, Luang Namtha, Muang Sing, Pong Sali, etc ...)
Le Sud ça fait un moment que je n'y suis pas retourné alors je ne te dirai pas.
A luang Prabang, certes il y a plus de monde, mais franchement en dehors de la rue touristique c'est franchement calme (à cette période en tous les cas). Arrete toi dans certains temples et parle avec les jeunes bonzes, prends le temps et tu pourras te faire des amis. J'ai des vrais amis là-bas. certains m'écrivent. D'autres le sont resté après 15 ans.
Le Laos est un pays merveilleux.
Penses aussi qu'il n'y a pas un farang (oh à peine) en Thailande dés que tu quittes les stations balnéaires et quelques rares quartiers de BKK et les 3 ou 4 spots de la route des Bouddhas. Vas te perdre en Issan et danser le Lampong au son de l'orchestre, écouter le mor lam.
Au Laos c'est pareil, la culture est très proche. Il ne faut pas oublier que les 19 provinces Issan ont fait partie du royaume lao un jour. D'ailleurs ils parlent la même langue, légèrement différente du thai, comme une partie du vietnam, une partie de birmanie et une partie de la chine.
Au Laos il y aura toujours un endroit tranquille même dans 150 ans, car pour la grande majorité du pays il n'y a que montagnes et forêts et des journées de marche pour se déplacer. Quelques rivières et quelques routes n'y changeront rien. En Thailande c'est moins sur, le relief n'est pas le même...
Il faut sortir des clichés ... et ne pas généraliser.
Sokdee
PS : En dehors d'Angkor Vat j'ai trouvé que ça allait encore franchement pour les autres visites à Angkor ... peu de monde (Mars 2007) mais Siem Reap c'est vrai que c'est un peu l'usine à touriste et pognon. La première fois où j'y suis allé, début 1991, il n'y avait qu'un hôtel : le Grand Hôtel d'Angkor et ces tuyauteries déglinguées. Maintenant il y a kirielle d'hôtel et le précédant est devenu beaucoup trop luxueux pour ma bourse .... Alors Luang Prabang, c'est petit joueur à côté... mais il n'y a pas le même patrimoine non plus ...
A luang Prabang, certes il y a plus de monde, mais franchement en dehors de la rue touristique c'est franchement calme (à cette période en tous les cas). Arrete toi dans certains temples et parle avec les jeunes bonzes, prends le temps et tu pourras te faire des amis. J'ai des vrais amis là-bas. certains m'écrivent. D'autres le sont resté après 15 ans.
Le Laos est un pays merveilleux.
Penses aussi qu'il n'y a pas un farang (oh à peine) en Thailande dés que tu quittes les stations balnéaires et quelques rares quartiers de BKK et les 3 ou 4 spots de la route des Bouddhas. Vas te perdre en Issan et danser le Lampong au son de l'orchestre, écouter le mor lam.
Au Laos c'est pareil, la culture est très proche. Il ne faut pas oublier que les 19 provinces Issan ont fait partie du royaume lao un jour. D'ailleurs ils parlent la même langue, légèrement différente du thai, comme une partie du vietnam, une partie de birmanie et une partie de la chine.
Au Laos il y aura toujours un endroit tranquille même dans 150 ans, car pour la grande majorité du pays il n'y a que montagnes et forêts et des journées de marche pour se déplacer. Quelques rivières et quelques routes n'y changeront rien. En Thailande c'est moins sur, le relief n'est pas le même...
Il faut sortir des clichés ... et ne pas généraliser.
Sokdee
PS : En dehors d'Angkor Vat j'ai trouvé que ça allait encore franchement pour les autres visites à Angkor ... peu de monde (Mars 2007) mais Siem Reap c'est vrai que c'est un peu l'usine à touriste et pognon. La première fois où j'y suis allé, début 1991, il n'y avait qu'un hôtel : le Grand Hôtel d'Angkor et ces tuyauteries déglinguées. Maintenant il y a kirielle d'hôtel et le précédant est devenu beaucoup trop luxueux pour ma bourse .... Alors Luang Prabang, c'est petit joueur à côté... mais il n'y a pas le même patrimoine non plus ...
nous souhaitons tous trouver de l'authenticité dans des lieux non touristiques, mais qui sommes nous pour dire ça ? Il faudrait justement se souvenir que nous TOUS DES TOURISTES en puissance. Faudrait-il inventer des tickets d'entrée (heu seulement 100 touristes par mois .... et ensuite au suivant) ? Si cela devient touristique c'est bien à cause ou grâce à nous et à notre curiosité, à notre envie de savoir Maintenant, il y a touriste et touriste évidemment ! Tenons nous tranquille, choisissons la courtoisie, le respect et la cohabitation sera toujours excellente.
Bon voyage à tous les baroudeurs qui aiment la hommes et pas spécialement le tourisme de bas étage.
apprendre à se connaître
Tu n'as pas croisé beaucoup de monde a Luang Namtha?
Etrange, j'y étais en février, et il y avait quand même "pas mal" de touriste.
D'ailleurs quand on voit la ville on se demande ce qui les attire? l'ignorance peut être qu'ils ne savaient pas dans quelle ville ils allaient tomber 😄
(assez horrible comme ville je dois dire!). Peut être que les alentours sont plus sympa? pas eu le temps de faire.
Juste apperçu les 2 ou 3 même têtes farang qui voyageaient à ce moment dans les mêmes coins, mais c'était vers fin juillet début Aout, "hors saison".
Je n'ai pas stationné à Luang Namtha, j'y connais surtout la gare des bus et j'y ai passé 1 nuit, c'était une étape incontournable sur la route de Muang Sing, Pongsali et la rivière Nam Ou
Luang Namtha? (...) (assez horrible comme ville je dois dire!). Peut être que les alentours sont plus sympa? pas eu le temps de faire.
Bah, faut reconnaître que la plupart des villes du Laos ne présentent aucun intérêt et sont effectivement "assez horribles". Mais je pense que tout l'intérêt du pays réside dans sa ruralité... A + 321
Bah, faut reconnaître que la plupart des villes du Laos ne présentent aucun intérêt et sont effectivement "assez horribles". Mais je pense que tout l'intérêt du pays réside dans sa ruralité... A + 321
200 jours à pied,
seul, sans guide,
aux confins du Laos : CLIC
Bonsoir,
Je suis allé au laos et au cambodge en mai dernier, et je n'ai pas eu ce sentiments de tourisme en masse. Sur le site d'Angkor, quand une horde de "touristes" arrive, il suffit d'attendre quelques minutes qu'ils aient fini de prendre leur photo et ils repartent 🙂, et alors le site n'est que pour toi 😉 et là....que du bonheur !!! Bon voyage
Christine
Je suis allé au laos et au cambodge en mai dernier, et je n'ai pas eu ce sentiments de tourisme en masse. Sur le site d'Angkor, quand une horde de "touristes" arrive, il suffit d'attendre quelques minutes qu'ils aient fini de prendre leur photo et ils repartent 🙂, et alors le site n'est que pour toi 😉 et là....que du bonheur !!! Bon voyage
Christine
Nous avons passé 3 semaines au Laos le mois dernier et je suis assez surpris de lire les commentaires de tes amis. Bien sur, j'imagine qu'il y a plus de monde qu'il y a 15 ans, juste après la réouverture du pays, mais c'est n'imprte quoi de comparer cela à Disneyland.
Oui on voit des occidentaux (touristes ou expat) à peu près partout, surtout à Luang Prabang et dans les iles Si Phan Don (extreme sud). Mais cela reste très léger, et il est très facile d'aller dans des endroits où on ne croise personne (à part des laotiens, bien sur). Nous avons surtout voyagé de Vientiane à Paksé, et il y a des endroits extraordinaire. Je conseille la rivière Hin Boun, avec la grotte That Lor Kong Lo (orthographe non garanti). Et vu que nous voyageons avec des enfants, nous ne sommes pas allé aux endroits les plus difficiles, où je pense que c'est encore plus "comme il y a 50 ans"...
En parlant de tourisme de masse, bonjour le choc pour nous en arrivant à Siem Reap après le Laos !
Oui on voit des occidentaux (touristes ou expat) à peu près partout, surtout à Luang Prabang et dans les iles Si Phan Don (extreme sud). Mais cela reste très léger, et il est très facile d'aller dans des endroits où on ne croise personne (à part des laotiens, bien sur). Nous avons surtout voyagé de Vientiane à Paksé, et il y a des endroits extraordinaire. Je conseille la rivière Hin Boun, avec la grotte That Lor Kong Lo (orthographe non garanti). Et vu que nous voyageons avec des enfants, nous ne sommes pas allé aux endroits les plus difficiles, où je pense que c'est encore plus "comme il y a 50 ans"...
En parlant de tourisme de masse, bonjour le choc pour nous en arrivant à Siem Reap après le Laos !
Première précision, quant on décide de voyager au Laos, en Thaïlande ou au Cambodge, que se soit un voyage sac à dos ou bien dans des hôtels de luxe, nous somme tous des touristes, si vous en doutez, demandez aux locaux se qu’ils en pensent.
À propos des guides, ces livres devraient toujours être des aides, des références, mais jamais des bibles, quant ces guides se transforment en dogme c’est là que ça se gâte, car tous les voyageurs qui suivent le dogme font le même chemin de croix. Comme un membre de VF le dit souvent il faut savoir se perdre (les Anglais diraient « get lost ») particulièrement dans les villes ou les régions touristiques, comme la majorité des voyageurs suivent le dogme, aussitôt que vous mettez les pieds en dehors du chemin de croix il y a des perles à découvrir. Je passe quelques jours à Bangkok à tous les ans depuis 13 années et j’y découvre toujours de nouveaux endroits épatants souvent sans l’ombre d’un Occidental à des kilomètres à la ronde, et pourtant Bangkok est une ville qui soi-disant est très touristique. Le Laos touristique n’a rien à voir avec la Thaïlande touristique, et même dans les endroits plus touristiques comme à Vientiane sur le bord du Mékong le soir pour le souper, les Laotiens se mélangent aux touristes pour mangé et boire tout en regardant le couché de soleil sur le Mékong, endroit très surprenant pour y faire des rencontres étonnantes avec des bonzes, des familles ou des Laotiens un peu plus âgés qui parlent un français impeccable. C’est aussi les déjeuners dans une petite échoppe ou je n’y rencontrer aucune âme occidentale, déjeuner composé de baguette avec pâté Laotien accompagné de café à la mode Laotienne le tout servi avec un accueille très sympathique et toujours avec le sourire, et j’oubliais, ça se passait à Vientiane la ville touristique. Quand je voyage, je me fous de savoir s’il y a des touristes ou pas (je ne perds surtout pas mon temps à les compter), je désire visiter le That Luang, j’y vais même s’il y a d’autres touristes, je désire visiter un coin perdu ou il n’y a point d’âme occidentale et j’y vais, je fais et vie mon voyage pas celui des autres et j’aime bien me perdre pour découvrir ces perles dans la mer.
À propos des guides, ces livres devraient toujours être des aides, des références, mais jamais des bibles, quant ces guides se transforment en dogme c’est là que ça se gâte, car tous les voyageurs qui suivent le dogme font le même chemin de croix. Comme un membre de VF le dit souvent il faut savoir se perdre (les Anglais diraient « get lost ») particulièrement dans les villes ou les régions touristiques, comme la majorité des voyageurs suivent le dogme, aussitôt que vous mettez les pieds en dehors du chemin de croix il y a des perles à découvrir. Je passe quelques jours à Bangkok à tous les ans depuis 13 années et j’y découvre toujours de nouveaux endroits épatants souvent sans l’ombre d’un Occidental à des kilomètres à la ronde, et pourtant Bangkok est une ville qui soi-disant est très touristique. Le Laos touristique n’a rien à voir avec la Thaïlande touristique, et même dans les endroits plus touristiques comme à Vientiane sur le bord du Mékong le soir pour le souper, les Laotiens se mélangent aux touristes pour mangé et boire tout en regardant le couché de soleil sur le Mékong, endroit très surprenant pour y faire des rencontres étonnantes avec des bonzes, des familles ou des Laotiens un peu plus âgés qui parlent un français impeccable. C’est aussi les déjeuners dans une petite échoppe ou je n’y rencontrer aucune âme occidentale, déjeuner composé de baguette avec pâté Laotien accompagné de café à la mode Laotienne le tout servi avec un accueille très sympathique et toujours avec le sourire, et j’oubliais, ça se passait à Vientiane la ville touristique. Quand je voyage, je me fous de savoir s’il y a des touristes ou pas (je ne perds surtout pas mon temps à les compter), je désire visiter le That Luang, j’y vais même s’il y a d’autres touristes, je désire visiter un coin perdu ou il n’y a point d’âme occidentale et j’y vais, je fais et vie mon voyage pas celui des autres et j’aime bien me perdre pour découvrir ces perles dans la mer.
Louis Paquet
Comparer Luang-Prabang au Mont St Michel, je trouve qu'il faut une certaine imagination..Le Laos me semble encore pas trop fréquenté.
Il y a 6, 5 milliards d'habitants sur la planète et certains ont la même idée que nous, voyager et faire du tourisme, et d'aller dans les endroits les plus attrayants. Il va falloir s'habituer à cohabiter.
Il faut se presser, dans dix ans, vous direz, c'était bien il y a dix ans, il n'y avait pas trop de monde ...etc. Koh Phi Phi, j'y suis allé en 1989, c'était beaucoup mieux et Phuket aussi...
Mais non, je suis pas vieux...😎
Bonjour!!!!!🙂
Si le LAOS est un pays trop touristique alors il ne te reste plus que les poles et le désert!!!😠
Mais, moi j'y suis retourné en Février 2006 et je peux te dire que ce pays est encore un pays appréciable et tranquille pour nous les touristes de ttes sortent que nous pouvons être!!!!
Surtout vas y, cela serait une erreur d'écouter tes amis qui comme beaucoup en rajoutent beaucoup!!!😉
Tu sais, la meilleure opinion c'est la tienne, n'oublies jamais cela!!😛
Si le LAOS est un pays trop touristique alors il ne te reste plus que les poles et le désert!!!😠
Mais, moi j'y suis retourné en Février 2006 et je peux te dire que ce pays est encore un pays appréciable et tranquille pour nous les touristes de ttes sortent que nous pouvons être!!!!
Surtout vas y, cela serait une erreur d'écouter tes amis qui comme beaucoup en rajoutent beaucoup!!!😉
Tu sais, la meilleure opinion c'est la tienne, n'oublies jamais cela!!😛
Tant que la couleur de la peau sera plus importante que la couleur des yeux, nous ne connaitrons pas la paix.
Arun susaday 😉 le laos est à la thailande, ce que la creuse est à la cote d'azur!😏😏😏..Champassak, idéal pour retrouver la thai des années 70 !On vieillit docteur!😕
Roger
Salut Lpaquet,
tout a fait d'accord avec toi!!!
Comme un membre de VF le dit souvent il faut savoir se perdre (les Anglais diraient « get lost ») particulièrement dans les villes ou les régions touristiques, comme la majorité des voyageurs suivent le dogme, aussitôt que vous mettez les pieds en dehors du chemin de croix il y a des perles à découvrir.
en plein Bangkok, personne dans ce temple, a si un gardien qui dort😛

les ruelles de Luang Prabang, aucun touristes y passent!!!

bon apres c'est sur qu'en période avril mai juin, y a moins de monde!!! et puis un truk tout simple pour éviter les "ordes" aller visiter à l'heure ou il fait bien chaud!!!! bon ça coute un peu plus cher en bouteille d'eau mais bon vu le prix de l'eau!!!!
A+
tout a fait d'accord avec toi!!!
Comme un membre de VF le dit souvent il faut savoir se perdre (les Anglais diraient « get lost ») particulièrement dans les villes ou les régions touristiques, comme la majorité des voyageurs suivent le dogme, aussitôt que vous mettez les pieds en dehors du chemin de croix il y a des perles à découvrir.
en plein Bangkok, personne dans ce temple, a si un gardien qui dort😛


les ruelles de Luang Prabang, aucun touristes y passent!!!

bon apres c'est sur qu'en période avril mai juin, y a moins de monde!!! et puis un truk tout simple pour éviter les "ordes" aller visiter à l'heure ou il fait bien chaud!!!! bon ça coute un peu plus cher en bouteille d'eau mais bon vu le prix de l'eau!!!!
A+
Un voyage de mille lis a commencé par un pas. (Lao-Tseu ; 1 lis=ancienne mesure chinoise équivalente a 576m définie des la dynastie Qin, mais qui variait selon la région et l'époque, valeur actuelle 500m, le li est une mesure coréenne d'environ 3920m)
pour les pti curieux!!! le chien subliminaleeu
Louis Paquet, j'acquiesce a tes propos car, tout de meme, pour faire quelque chose, je ne demande pas l'avis de mon voisin de palier ! On bouge pas en fonction du nombre de touristes au m2 !
Ceci dit, l'afflux des touristes a une consequence : les prix ont sacrement augmente, en moyenne. Meme pour les Laos ! Du coup, la Thailande devient meilleur marche par rapport au Laos, et c'est ma grande surprise au cours de ce voyage.
En revanche, on peut tomber sur des perles. Par exemple, le Saysana hotel, a Vientiane, chambre avec service hotel (chambre nettoyee tous les jours, serviettes de toilettes, etc) pour 50 000 kips pour une personne en plein centre ville...j'aimerai trouver identique a Bkk !
Voyager c'est découvrir que tout le monde a tort.
Aldous Huxley
Authentique?????C'est quoi authentique??Un village perdu au milieu de rien sans electricite, ou il faut aller au puit, se laver dans la riviere et crever a 35 ans par manque de soins?c'est ca?Comme en Europe, tous les pays avance et evoluent, a leur vitesse, peut etre un cran derriere, mais on ne reverras plus jamais le village de Jesus Christ....Et tant mieu....
Tu ne veux pas de touristes?Mais je supose que tu veux une charmante Guest House, propre avec douche(plutot que la riviere), eau chaude et peut etre bien la clim.Ben si y a tous ca, c'est parceque il y a des touristes.....Si tu peux rejoindre un point a un autre facilement, c'est aussi grace au tourisme....
On ne peut pas vouloir, le lait, le beure, le sourire de la cremiere et la cremiere en plus....
Et sinon, il y a encore des regions sans touriste, mais faut connaitre un minimum la Jungle....😉
Et sinon, il y a encore des regions sans touriste, mais faut connaitre un minimum la Jungle....😉
La ou le vent nous emporteras
Pas besoin d'aller dans la jungle pour ne pas rencontrer de farangs, et vu ce qu'il en reste de jungle au Laos, il vaut mieux se depecher avant qu'il n'en reste rien.Helas j'ai l'impression que la surface de terres sauvages diminue parallelement à l'augmentation du nombre de voitures de luxe qui roulent à Vientiane.Je suis definitivement vacciné contre l'achat de bois "éxotiques".
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Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
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I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hi everyone,
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
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Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
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Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
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Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!







