j ai retenu merveilles d egypte chez TSI MAIS JE NE SUIS JAMAIS PARTI AVEC EUX ET TRESORS D EGYPTE AVEC NF 5que je connais comme TO) merci de me renseigner
Partir en Égypte avec un tour opérateur
by Jls45
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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dois je choisir avec nouvelles frontières ou avec TSI pour partir en egypte cet automne pour un dejour croisiere et le caire
j ai retenu merveilles d egypte chez TSI MAIS JE NE SUIS JAMAIS PARTI AVEC EUX ET TRESORS D EGYPTE AVEC NF 5que je connais comme TO) merci de me renseigner
j ai retenu merveilles d egypte chez TSI MAIS JE NE SUIS JAMAIS PARTI AVEC EUX ET TRESORS D EGYPTE AVEC NF 5que je connais comme TO) merci de me renseigner
jl45
Quel choix cornélien!
Blanc bonnet, bonnet blanc.
Malheureusement avec aucun de ces TO vous n'aurez le moindre contact avec le peuple égyptien et l'Egypte d'aujourd'hui (si ce n'est les serveurs).
Les visites sont menées "tambour battant", et ne permettent souvent pas d'apprécier les merveilles de l'Egypte d'hier.
Essayez au moins de vous garder du temps pour découvrir par vous-même, sans le guide et sa troupe de touristes.
L'Egypte c'est bien autre chose que la poussière de la vallée des Rois, et les pyramides du Caire.
Regardez bien mais pour un budget comparable, vous pouvez faire le voyage en individuel, c'est un pays facile d'accès et sans trop de problèmes. il est facile de réserver les vols réguliers et les hotels... le reste (les guides locaux, les entrées) vous verrez sur place c'est très simple.
Bon voyage!
Regardez bien mais pour un budget comparable, vous pouvez faire le voyage en individuel, c'est un pays facile d'accès et sans trop de problèmes. il est facile de réserver les vols réguliers et les hotels... le reste (les guides locaux, les entrées) vous verrez sur place c'est très simple.
Bon voyage!
merci pour vos conseils, mais hélas je n' ai pas le temps de me préparez mon voyage de cette manière, c'est la raison pour laquelle je pars ainsi, par le passé j ai déja voyager ainsi dans d'autres pays .
a+
jl
jl45
Bonsoir,
je ne veux pas insister mais il faut: 10 mn pour se connecter au site web Egyptair pour acheter des billets AR Paris/Le Caire, et en plus vous pourrez choisir vos horaires. (en moyenne 300 à 400€ par personne) pendant que vous y êtes vous achetez aussi les vols Le Caire/Louxor, et Assouan/Le Caire, (en moyenne 90€ par personne) en évitant les vols de nuits que votre TO vous imposera (il économise des nuits d'hotels), vous pouvez aussi attendre d'être sur place pour faire ce même trajet en train. au total 15 à 20 mn. donc pour le transport.
Pour les hotels sur Le Caire et Louxor, ce forum regorge d'indication précises, pour toutes les bourses; là encore 20 mn au max pour les 2 hotels (bduget moyen de 15 à 100€ la nuit... du 2* au 5*)
Pour la coisière si vous la souhaitez toujours attendez d'âtre sur place vous économiserez beaucoup et éviterez le sens du retour qui ne présente que très peu d'intérêt...(prévoir 50 à 80€ pour un sens)
Au total, moins d'une heure et un budget d'environ 1 500€ pour un couple pour 6 nuits entre Le Caire et Louxor et une croisière de 3 jours en 4*. Pour la nourriture, prévoyez au max 30€ par jour pour le couple en mangeant très bien.
Essayez juste pour voir.
Je vous souhaite de toutes les façons un bon voyage même si vous partez avec un TO.
Au total, moins d'une heure et un budget d'environ 1 500€ pour un couple pour 6 nuits entre Le Caire et Louxor et une croisière de 3 jours en 4*. Pour la nourriture, prévoyez au max 30€ par jour pour le couple en mangeant très bien.
Essayez juste pour voir.
Je vous souhaite de toutes les façons un bon voyage même si vous partez avec un TO.
Bonsoir,
J'approuve.... Et je veux bien être invité aux repas à 30 euros/jour, car ce doit être de sacrés festins 😏.
Michel
J'approuve.... Et je veux bien être invité aux repas à 30 euros/jour, car ce doit être de sacrés festins 😏.
Michel
je sais que c est possible mais cette année j n opte pas pour ce genre de vacances
jl45
je ne veux pas insister mais il faut
Et quand vous insistez, ça donne quoi ?
Il faudrait peut-être ficher la paix aux personnes qui sont tout de même libres de choisir leur mode de vacances !
Tout le monde n'a pas forcément le temps ou l'envie de préparer soi-même son voyage, admettez-le et faites ce qu'il vous plaît.
On se croirait presque 2 messages plus loin (Vivre sous la dictature ...)
Et quand vous insistez, ça donne quoi ?
Il faudrait peut-être ficher la paix aux personnes qui sont tout de même libres de choisir leur mode de vacances !
Tout le monde n'a pas forcément le temps ou l'envie de préparer soi-même son voyage, admettez-le et faites ce qu'il vous plaît.
On se croirait presque 2 messages plus loin (Vivre sous la dictature ...)
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama - palindrome, auteur inconnu
.... D'autant qu'il est question de vacances....
Michel
Michel
Bonjour,
Cet hiver nous sommes parti avec Marmara pour un circuit avec croisière pour un prix sympa. Il possède 2 bâteaux, tout était bien réglé et parfait pour un voyage organisé.
Voici le circuit, mais que nous avons fait en sens inverse.
http://www.marmara.com/croisiere-egypte/combine-nefertiti-bateau-hotel/ID-1201-M-ETA-C--O--VD-PAR.htm
Sur ce site j'ai mis quelques photos du voyage qui je pense devraient donner envie de visiter.
Je vous conseille de prendre le forfait son et lumière en supplément qui est magnifique surtout au Pyramides.
http://michel.talon.free.fr
Bon voyage, même organisé !!!!!!!!!!!!
a+ Michel T@
http://michel.talon.free.fr
Bonjour,
nous partons cet été avec STI pour le programme "Merveilles d'Egypte". Je pense sincèrement que c'est un excellent programme pour un premier voyage en Egypte. D'autant plus, STI est un TO égyptien, et la plupart des gens ont été ravis de ces prestations. Marmara proposait aussi un combiné croisière-balnéaire mais il leur a été impossible de l'organiser pour nos dates.
Nous avons choisi la croisière en 5* : je vous conseille de suivre notre démarche si vous avez les moyens, n'hésitez pas pour le 5* luxe.
Nous partirons à Hurghada à l'Hilton Resort en pension complète (supplément à payer pour la PC)
Puis au Caire.
N'hésitez pas à me contacter. Si je peux vous aider ce sera avec plaisir. Et concultez la brochure STI en ligne. Bonne préparation.
N'hésitez pas à me contacter. Si je peux vous aider ce sera avec plaisir. Et concultez la brochure STI en ligne. Bonne préparation.
Quelle agressivité!
Je ne suis pas responsable de vos problèmes! (heureusement!)
Je proposais simplement et POLIMENT à la personne d'Orléans une autre façon de découvir l'Egypte.
Je voulais également lui expliquer qu'il n'est ni long, ni compliqué de "fabriquer" soi-même son voyage, et c'est souvent moins onéreux, pour un confort bien supérieur (vols réguliers, hotels de classe supérieure, etc)
Je vous fais remarquer que je lui souhaite un excellent séjour en Egypte, même avec un TO. Marmara a bonne réputation dans ce style de voyages
L'emploi par vous du terme "vacances" démontre bien que nous n'avons pas la même manière de voyager et de découvrir un pays étranger.
Quant à la dictature, j'avoue ne pas comprendre non plus, en quoi je peux apparaître comme tel!
Sortez prendre l'air, respirez à plein poumon l'air des Alpes ou du Jura, faites du sport... et Bonne Soirée.
Je vous fais remarquer que je lui souhaite un excellent séjour en Egypte, même avec un TO. Marmara a bonne réputation dans ce style de voyages
L'emploi par vous du terme "vacances" démontre bien que nous n'avons pas la même manière de voyager et de découvrir un pays étranger.
Quant à la dictature, j'avoue ne pas comprendre non plus, en quoi je peux apparaître comme tel!
Sortez prendre l'air, respirez à plein poumon l'air des Alpes ou du Jura, faites du sport... et Bonne Soirée.
Je suis vraiment d'accord avec toutes les réponses sur les TO en Egypte... mais je comprends que c'est ton choix et que tu es pris par le temps. Une envie d'Egypte, ça vous prend souvent par surprise !
Par contre, ce que je peux te dire, c'est d'absolûment éviter Nouvelles Frontières sur l'Egypte... ils sont pires dans ce pays que partout ailleurs !!! Tu n'imagines pas le nombre de touristes complètement dépités par eux que j'ai pu rencontrer sur place ! TSI, je connais pas... Si tu aimes voyager en TO, vas faire un tour sur le site de Nomades pour l'Egypte. Je voyage toujours à pied et seule le plus souvent. Mais je suis partie avec eux sur le Désert Blanc et ça s'est très bien passé. Ils m'ont l'air correct à tous les niveaux et respectent autant les "touristes" que les populations et environnement locaux.
Il semble qu'il y ait quelques "vieux routards" sur cette discussion ! Je vous trouve un peu décourageant pour le mode de voyage choisi ici... Chacun ses choix mes amis ! L'important, c'est de bouger, d'aller voir ailleurs !! Quand on part avec un TO, on revient presque toujours dans le même pays... mais en solo...
Par contre, ce que je peux te dire, c'est d'absolûment éviter Nouvelles Frontières sur l'Egypte... ils sont pires dans ce pays que partout ailleurs !!! Tu n'imagines pas le nombre de touristes complètement dépités par eux que j'ai pu rencontrer sur place ! TSI, je connais pas... Si tu aimes voyager en TO, vas faire un tour sur le site de Nomades pour l'Egypte. Je voyage toujours à pied et seule le plus souvent. Mais je suis partie avec eux sur le Désert Blanc et ça s'est très bien passé. Ils m'ont l'air correct à tous les niveaux et respectent autant les "touristes" que les populations et environnement locaux.
Il semble qu'il y ait quelques "vieux routards" sur cette discussion ! Je vous trouve un peu décourageant pour le mode de voyage choisi ici... Chacun ses choix mes amis ! L'important, c'est de bouger, d'aller voir ailleurs !! Quand on part avec un TO, on revient presque toujours dans le même pays... mais en solo...
God, grant me... The Faith to accept the things I cannot change... The courage to change the things I can... And the wisdom to make the difference
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We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
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Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help




