je dois me rendre au Maroc, avec un groupe de 10 pers au mois d'avril et au cours de notre périple passer par une vallée appelé "vallée du paradis" qui connait?? Je serais sur un axe Essaouira-Agadir mais JE NE VEUX PAS ALLER A AGADIR (j'en garde pas un bon souvenir!!) Ou bifurquer? pour rejoindre si possible Taroudant-Taliouine-Tazenakht en espérant voir le plus de (belles) choses possibles.Merci de vos lumieres et de vos idées
la valée du paradis c'est celle d'immouzzer des ida ou tanane, un endroit magnifique propice au repos, l'air y est pur puisqu'a 1000 metres d'altitude, on y fait du miel aussi, 2 logements:
pour aller a taliouine via taroudant sans passer par agadir, prendre la route qui va a argana et bigoudine puis l'autoroute jusqua amskroud et de la prendre la sortie "ouled teima" puis arrivé labas continuer avec la voie rapide jusqua taroudant.
sinon aulieu d'argana et l'autoroute prendre la route qui passe a coté des fameuses grottes de win timdouine (plus grand lac souterain d'afrique) elle arrive a quelques km au nord d'amskroud.
Surnommée aussi la vallée verte .. elle est l'idéal pour les amoureux de la nature et les beaux paysages .. on prend la route des cascades d'Imouzzer au nord d'Agadir (la route du miel) .. ça longe les gorges de Oued Tamraght .. là ou l'eau coule tout le temps et la verdure est permanante .. (les Arganiers , les Oliviers , les Cactus , le Laurier rose sauvage , le Thym ...)
Merci une mine de conseil! Et je suis qq fois vos prises de positions sur le site et , globalement cela reflète souvent mon propre avis......... vous avez l'air de connaitre ce coin comme votre poche ! je prends note de vos itinéraires et j'ajusterai mon parcours en fonction . Et si je puis me permettre je vous soumet mon idée de circuit : (10 pers. mini-bus, j'ai déjà qq voyages au Maroc a mon crédit et qq points de chute!!) jour 1 Marrakech-Essaouira. Jour 2 Essaouira-nuit vallée du paradis ou Taroudant. Jour 3 lieu pré-cité -Taznakht. Jour 4 Taznakht- Zagora. jour 5 Zagora- nuit dans les dunes. Jour 6 retour Ouarzazatte. Jour 7 retour avion Marrakech
Votre avis (km étape etc ...)
merci
C'est pas un peu beaucoup pour 7 jours!😮 Surtout les 3 derniers qui comportent beaucoup de route... Vous savez qu'au Maroc on roule en moyenne à 60 kms/h?
(10 pers. mini-bus, j'ai déjà qq voyages au Maroc a mon crédit et qq points de chute!!) jour 1 Marrakech-Essaouira. Jour 2 Essaouira-nuit vallée du paradis ou Taroudant. Jour 3 lieu pré-cité -Taznakht. Jour 4 Taznakht- Zagora. jour 5 Zagora- nuit dans les dunes. Jour 6 retour Ouarzazatte. Jour 7 retour avion Marrakech
Votre avis (km étape etc ...)
merci
les routes de cette valée sont toutes goudronées, un minibus passe aisement, deja les long mercedes et ford avec 16 places serpentent chaque jours labas sans parler du mini car de ligne avec ses 26 places, le jeudi c'est le souk a immouzzer, samedi a bigoudine.
l'itineraire est bon, faudra rouler pas mal certains jours et partir aux aurores, mais ca tu le sait, tu fait un peu comme les agences de voyages: beaucoup de kilometres en voyant l'essentiel
pour l'etape taznakht zagora: passer par tasla et agdz ce qui evitera ouarzazate
Je viens de faire ( à l'envers ) hier Tarroudant Essaouira direct montagne!! du grandiose de chez grandiose !
(avec escapade aux ruchers d'Inzerki, inconnus mais méritent le détour)
Depuis Essaouira, quelques dizaines de kms au sud, à gauche, une route pour Immouzer (peut etre encore piste sur la Michelin , mais c'est du goudron, elle débarque sur la nationale d'Agadir à quelques kms au sud d'Argana , remonter à Argana, et la une route directe Tarroudant , plein sud (pareil, goudron nouveau) elle figure sur la Michelin aussi, avec vue panoramique encore plus belle qu'au tizin'test !
Pour la vallée dite du Paradis, il faut descendre jusqu'à Aourir, la route est blindée de minibus d'excursion, superbe certes, mais mérite au moins une rando pedestre dans les canyons d'une demi journée, dommage de ne l'utiliser que pour du transit.
Sinon , la traversée d' Agadir n'existe plus depuis des années, une rocade datant d'une dizaine d'années évite cette corvée.
(avec escapade aux ruchers d'Inzerki, inconnus mais méritent le détour)
remonter à Argana, et la une route directe Tarroudant , plein sud (pareil, goudron nouveau) elle figure sur la Michelin aussi, avec vue panoramique encore plus belle qu'au tizin'test !
salut Claude 😎
en pj le fameux rucher parait il le plus grand du monde 😮
pour la route argana taroudant, c'est pas celle d'ifferd (etroite d'ailleurs) qui longe le barrage abdelmoumen puis un autre beaucoup plus petit en bas et debouche sur la route oued issen-taroudant qui arrive a celle ci derriere la gazelle d'or?
bonjour,
le blog de M Terrier est la nouvelle mine d'or !!
A suivre de très près.
C'est justement grace à ses indications que j'ai trouvé facilement.
petite correction dans les kilométrages:
Piste à 3500m du rond point de l'échangeur
8,5 kms de piste ultra facile
je n'ai pas vu la gardienne, ni qui que ce soit d'ailleurs dans le village !
Je profite de ce message pour vous remercier, tous, de vos conseils et suggestions, en particulier Mr Terrier M. (http://terriermichel.wordpress.com/rucher-dinzerki/) pour ses idées et ses judicieuses remarques, Raoulx pour la constante qualités de ses interventions et ..............les autres pour leurs lumières.
Merci
bjr
la première fois que j'entends parler des grottes de Win-Timdouine , c'est vraiment magnifique
en faite je compte visiter la région(imouzzar iddaoutanane , Amtoudi ....) et ca sera l'occasion , pouvez me dire comment y accéder et il fait quel temps en moi de décembre ?
merci d'avance
apres la petite ville d'AMSKROUD (sortie autoroute ou nationale 8) prendre la nationale 8 direction IMINTANOUT sur quelques km, ensuite a gauche une route va a immouzzer ida ou tanane, la prendre un certain temps puis l'abandonner pour celle qui va au village de TIZGUI N CHORFA, c'est en haut de celui ci que se trouvent les grottes de win timdwin, on ne peut pas s'enfoncer dedans car il faut etre speleologue, tu n'es qu'a une heure de route d'immouzzer ida ou tanane (s'aider de wikimapia et des indications) c'est exactement a 27 km d'amskroud, tout le chemin est goudroné
a IMMOUZZER, toi qui aime la rando tu peut descendre aux cascades par un sentier de chevres en bas de l'hotel ou aller au fortin de la legion etrangere juste en haut.
AMTOUDI offre un panorama magnifique sur l'anti atlas propice a la meditation loin du stress bidaoui et on y trouve un agadir (ID AISSA) il faut avoir du souffle pour l'atteindre a pieds.
dans le coin aller a ABAINO pres de goulimine ou il y a une source sulfureuse, c'est le MOULAY YACOUB du sud.
le climat en ce mois de decembre dans les 2 atlas que tu va visiter est froid entre la priere d'al Asr et 10 heures du matin
Bonjour Raoulx,
peux tu stp me donner qq indications sur la route que tu as faite, mais ds le sens Taroudant-Essaouira,
est-elle facile, il me semble qu'un autre VF parle d'une route tr§s étroite ?
bonne journée
Myriam
Je parle de la route qui passe par Iferd, indiqué sur la 742,
puis à Argana prendre l'embranchement pour la piste des ruchers, (bien expliqué dans le lien un peu plus haut
ensuite revenir sur la nationale quelques kms, et prendre la route d'Immouzer Aourir, et à quelques dizaines de km au seul carrefour de routes goudronnées celle de droite qui rejoint lentement mais surement la natiolane cotière.
Les routes sont effectivement étroites, mais si des camions y passent, un touriste pas pressé doit y survivre !
on y croise moins d'un véhicule pas heure.
En venant de M vers Agadir par l'autoroute, si je sors à Argana, puis-je trouver cette route via Ifred pour aller à Taroudant, ?
sachant que sauf souci, je devrais quitter l'aéroport vers 13 H, est-il possible d'arriver ainsi à Taroudant avant la nuit à ton avis
merci de tes infos
bonne journée
Myriam
si ton but n'est que de faire le trajet Marrakech, Taroudant, contente toi de le faire par autoroute, en attendant de voir la sortie indiquée "taroudant" après Amskroud , 30 à 40 km avant Agadir (ceux qui savent, merci de préciser! moi c'est plutot réflexe, je mesure pas).
En décembre il fait nuit avant 17 h, donc le crochet par les "ruchers" est impossible.
Hello, my husband and I will be in Egypt this coming November. Cairo seems more challenging to explore without a guide, and we’ll be there for 3 full days. Would anyone have the name of a guide?
Thanks!
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.