Bonjour
je vais partir en italie, dans les Pouilles à Lecce plus precisemment, debut Juillet .Je pars en voiture, et je suis un peu inquiet parcequ'apparemment
le vol ou l'effraction des voitures de touristes est en Italie, un sport national...
Alors evidemment je ne laisserais rien dans ma voiture et normalement elle a une place reservée mais je sais pas ou ...est il plus prudent d'acheter un antivol genre qui bloque le volant ou le boitier de vitesse, ou peu etre un coupe circuit ?
je voudrais aussi savoir qu'est ce qu'on peut me dire des routes et autoroutes en italie, est ce que c'est cher ?
merci pour vos reponses
😠 les gens ont toujours peur de l'inconnu!!!
On nous a dit à maintes reprises; fais gaffe dans le sud!! c'est que des voleurs!!!!"🤪
on a fait la calabre, les pouilles (8 fois) la sicile; jamais de problème!! et en caravane!!!
😉bien sur, il faut pas afficher sa richesse!!!!
ouf tu me rassures ! 😎 Nous allons en Italie aussi au mois de juillet en camping et en lisant le post de bellikus, je commençais à me poser des questions.
"Le voyage apprend la tolérance." (Benjamin Disraeli)
le vol ou l'effraction des voitures de touristes est en Italie, un sport national...
Ca c'est du bon vieux stéréotype de Français sur nos voisins transalpins.
Disons quand même qu'il est préférable, dans le sud de l'Italie, de ne pas laisser des "choses intéressantes" visibles dans l'habitacle.
Quant aux mesures extrèmes (genre antivol de choc ou coupe-circuit)... je ne sais pas. Je n'ai eu aucun problème lors de mon voyage dans les Pouilles.
La seule chose qu'on m'ait volé en Italie du sud, ce sont 2 épingles à linge dans un camping. La chemise, elle, n'a pas été volée.
Et encore, ce n'est sans doute pas un Italien qui a fait le coup
jour,
juste une petite réfléxion ....je viens d'aller 3 trois à Vérone et à Padoue ....là, j'avais une voiture de location ...mais bon... Dans ce coin d'Italie ce qui m'a frappé ce sont les deux roues !! ..et oui ...et contrairement à chez nous, les vélos ne sont même pas attachés !!!
Des voleurs il y en a partout et m^me dans ma rue !!! On m'a cassé deux fois la vitre de ma voiture et on a essayé de prendre ma radio ...et j'habite un quartier ...disons ...tranquille ! donc ...
Je fais exactement la m^me chose dans mon pays, je n'expose rien ...il ne faut pas tenter ...bien sûr ...un touriste "normalement" à de l'argent à dépenser ...mais restons cool et soyons positifs ! Bien à toi,
Rien a craindre en Italie, j'ai pas mal tourné là bas avec de belles petites voitures assez voyantes et j'ai jamais rien eu😉 d'ailleurs j'ai plus d'appréhension pour mon we sur la côte d'azur dans 4 jours que l'idée de rapartir en Toscane dans 1 mois 1/2.
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OK merci a tous pour vos reponses
Alors en definitive il ne faut tout simplement pas plus s'inquieter qu'ailleurs..
C'est tant mieux parceque j'ai vraiment pas besoins de ce genre de soucis pendant mes vacances, J'ai deja eu une panne de voiture en plein Porto, c'etait vraiment galere et ça m'a couté cher..
a+, j'ai hate de partir!!plus que 2 semaines et ciao a tutti!!!
oui, il n'y a pas plus de risque que chez soi, j'ai pas mal tourné en europe en voiture, en général j'ai trouvé des gens sympas et des garagistes prèts à donner un coup de main!
maintenant il n'est pas inutile d'avoir une voiture moderne avec protection électronique intégrée (et donc ne pas oublier d'emporter ses doubles de clé)!
Une protection mécanique anti vol n'est pas inutile, en tous les cas si elle est de bonne qualité elle nécessite une bonne perceuse ou 5 à 10 mn de plus pour un voleur! Il ira donc ailleurs!
Pour les autoradios, cela commence à se tasser, mais si tu as un tiroir extractible ou une façade à enlever, fut pas hésiter à l'enlecer! Et si tu peux montrer que ton coffre est vide, n'hésite pas, montre le!!
Bonjour
je vais partir en italie, dans les Pouilles à Lecce plus precisemment, debut Juillet .Je pars en voiture, et je suis un peu inquiet parcequ'apparemment
le vol ou l'effraction des voitures de touristes est en Italie, un sport national...
Alors evidemment je ne laisserais rien dans ma voiture et normalement elle a une place reservée mais je sais pas ou ...est il plus prudent d'acheter un antivol genre qui bloque le volant ou le boitier de vitesse, ou peu etre un coupe circuit ?
je voudrais aussi savoir qu'est ce qu'on peut me dire des routes et autoroutes en italie, est ce que c'est cher ?
merci pour vos reponses
Pour les risques nous en 12 jours avec voiture française on n'a jamais enlevé l'autoradio (il est bloqué) et jamais enlevé non plus la plage arrière (et pourtant le coffre était toujours vide). On n'a ni alarme ni système bloquant (enfin si d'ailleurs on en a un à la maison mais on n'a même pas pensé à l'emmener). On a eu ZERO souci...
Pour le prix des autoroutes nous on a trouvé moins cher qu'en France, mais bon c'est une impression (forte ceci dit) et pas une étude de marché réelle!
La qualité des autoroutes est bien, entre Nice et La Spezia toutefois c'est étroit, avec pas mal de travaux, bcp de camions et entre les viaducs, acqueducs, virages serrés et autres joyeusetés... faut s'accrocher (à l'aller... parce qu'au retour on est blasés! 😉)
Christ 🙂
Pour bien aimer un pays il faut le manger, le boire et l’entendre chanter.
les consignes sont simples : tu dois agir comme tu le fais en France ! c'est-à-dire : ferme ta voiture. ne laisse rien de visible à l'intérieur, susceptible d'attirer l'attention (sac, paquet, valise, portable...). Si possible, essaie toujours de trouver un emplacement fermé (style garage) pour les nuits.
10 ans durant, je suis allée chaque année, dans diverses régions d'italie sans jamais subir le moindre vol ou attaque.
En france, ma voiture a déjà été forcée. Ma voisine s'est vu retirer une porte, le capot et + en moins d'une heure, stationnée devant chez elle ! Un membre de ma famille, en moto, s'est fait attaqué alors qu'il était à l'arrêt à un feu tricolore. J'ai vu un 2 roues s'arrêter près d'une voiture arrêtée à un feu, le passager moto a cassé la vitre de la voiture à l'avant côté passager, il a pris le sac de la conductrice et la moto a démarré au feu rouge, avant même que la conductrice de la voiture puisse comprendre ce qu'il venait de lui arriver ! Alors, tu peux partir tranquille. Un ami, alors qu'il faisait un crêneau pour se stationner, a entendu une porte arrière s'ouvrir. Le temps qu'il tourne la tête, il a aperçu 2 bras qui s'emparaît de son petit chien. Le voleur avec le chien dans les bras a sauté à l'arrière d'un 2 roues juste à côté et s'est évaporé dans la nature sans que mon ami ai pu faire quoi que ce soit.
Sois prudent, mais n'en fait pas une fixation. Où que tu sois, il te faut agir comme tu le fais chez toi.
Je te souhaite bon voyage. Tu verras c'est très joli et les italiens sont sympathiques. Raconte nous tes impressions, à ton retour
😎 Salut Coco, je comprend ton inquietude, mais en temps que Italien (vrais !) je te rassure, pas plus qu a Nice ou a Paris, les e--s de voleurs ou casseurs son partout, donc, pas de bleme !
Ca meme, prend quelque precaution du style : Ne te promene pas avec le dernier modele cabrio haut de gamme accompagne de ta copine blonde platin pleine de bijoux et avec des malles neuves de Louis Vuitton sur les sieges arrieres, ca serait provoquer une couche de gens bien mais qu ils n ont meme pas de quoi bouffer ......
tu pige ? 😉
hello,
je comprends votre inquiètude. j'ai la même. je pars en Toscane dans quelques jours. j'ai acheté le routard et ils disent qu'à Florence, il faut faire attention aux voleurs de voiture. mais je vais suivre les conseils donnés sur ce forum.
merci et bonnes vacances
Hi, I'm heading to Italy soon and I wanted to know if Italian banks charge fees when you withdraw cash at an ATM, or if, like in Spain or Greece, it's better to avoid taking out money and bring cash instead. Looking forward to your replies... Thanks
We’re planning a short trip at the end of July to explore the legendary mountains and valleys of the Bernese Oberland: round trip from Nancy (Swiss highway vignette planned), 2 nights in a room with a small kitchen in Adelboden, then 2 nights in a hotel at the Gletscherblick in Grindelwald, both with half-board included.
Could you share some tips on the best road routes to take, as well as some walking hikes (we’re not as fit as we used to be, so nothing longer than 2-3 hours)? Maybe also 1 or 2 cable car rides—I was thinking of Oeschinensee Lake above Kandersteg and the First gondola above Grindelwald for better panoramic views of the Eiger, Mönch, and Jungfrau... all while keeping it doable with our schedule. We’ve ruled out the "premium" trip up to the Jungfraujoch for this time.
I’m also guessing that paying to access Wengen or Mürren only makes sense if we’re staying there for a few days, right?
- Is the road through the narrow valley of the White Lütschine toward Lauterbrunnen and beyond still worth it in terms of views and scenery?
On the way back, if we have a little time to explore Bern’s historic old town, what’s the best parking plan for a 1- or 2-hour stop?
Thanks in advance for your advice, fellow travelers familiar with this beautiful region! 😉
Hi there, my husband and I are planning a trip to Iceland in mid-October 2026.
Would you have any advice on the best places to visit for a first trip to this destination? Thanks
Amazing trip in May 2026: fantastic landscapes, such a different vibe from our other journeys, wonderful memories, but...
- Discovering the population: very few "native" Icelanders,
and exceptional discretion from the police, who were notably absent from the white vehicle stopped by the roadside that caught us speeding in mid-May...
To this day, only our inquiry with the car rental company has informed us of a "speeding ticket" message. More than a month later, we still don’t know the "severity" of the offense or the amount of the fine we’ll be "hit with."
Well, well, a taste of Icelandic administrative experience...
I’ve found some great deals on flights to two destinations: Menorca in the Balearic Islands and Alghero in Sardinia.
The flights would take us from Bordeaux to Menorca on the evening of 9/07 and return to Bordeaux in the evening on 13/07.
Or to Alghero very early on 10/07 (departure at 6 AM) and return in the mid-afternoon on 13/07.
We love beautiful landscapes, the sea, snorkeling, walks (hiking), and the charm of villages.
We want to spend some quality time as a couple without our kids and mix discovery with relaxation.
I can’t make up my mind. The transport costs are roughly the same when you factor in parking for Sardinia since the early departure means no public transport from home.
We’ve never been to Menorca, Sardinia, or Italy at all. I’ve been to Majorca, though.
Menorca would be 4 nights and 4 days, while Alghero would be 3 nights and 2.5 days.
Also, what itinerary would you recommend for Alghero and Menorca?
Where to stay?
Thank you so much for your insightful traveler tips.
Hi,
I’ll be in Barcelona at the end of October.
I can choose to be there over the weekend or during the week. Probably 4 nights.
Is there a big difference in terms of crowds in the city and in the museums?
Little or no difference would simplify my itinerary on the way.
Hi there,
I’ll be in Rome from April 1st to 13th, 2026—it’s coming up fast!
I’ve been searching online for tickets to visit the Borghese Gallery, but either there’s no availability or the tickets offered are ridiculously expensive.
Could someone guide me to a website where I can book 2 skip-the-line tickets (I’ve heard you have to reserve in advance online)?
Hi everyone,
I rented a car through Klaus Wagen, picking it up in downtown Porto and returning it in downtown Lisbon.
After paying, I read some pretty negative reviews about them.
So, can anyone reassure me with positive experiences they’ve had with them?
Thanks in advance!
Hello, VoyageForum friends, and happy holidays!
I’m planning a trip with my 19-year-old grandson to Milan for Easter Saturday, Sunday, and Monday in 2025.
I’d love your insights on what we can visit in Milan that would interest both my grandson and me (I’m 75). Of course, I’m thinking of the must-sees, but not just those—cozy little restaurants, trendy neighborhoods, and anything else you’d recommend. I’m also looking for a comfortable hotel in the city center that isn’t too expensive!
I’m sure the VoyageForum community will help me uncover some hidden gems! Looking forward to your replies.
Hi there,
I’m heading to Setúbal at the end of June with my granddaughter, and I can’t seem to find clear info on the best way to get from Lisbon Airport to Setúbal. It looks like there’s a train or bus, but I can’t find the exact names of the bus (or train) companies or the precise departure points. Thanks if anyone can help me out! 😉 Just to clarify, I’m on a tight budget and have already ruled out taxis or similar options.
Hello,
We’re heading to Puglia at the end of May. We’re a senior couple. We arrive in Bari, where we’ve booked accommodation for 2 nights. We’ve rented a car.
Day 1: Bari
Day 2: Polignano a Mare – Monopoli
Day 3: Ostuni – Brindisi
Day 4: Lecce
Day 5 & 6: Exploring the coast from Otranto to Santa Maria di Leuca
Day 7 & 8: Gallipoli area
Day 9 & 10: Matera
We’re considering renting a place near Lecce for 5 days and using it as a base to explore the region.
Hi there,
I visited the Faroe Islands in late March 2026 for about ten days. I was invited by a friend who lives near Tórshavn, so I don’t have any info on tourist accommodations or car rentals. Still, I’d like to share a few thoughts about my trip:
- Before leaving, I consulted travel guides and blogs. I was surprised by how repetitive and unoriginal the featured sites were. This leads hurried travelers to follow the same overcrowded routes, which can annoy locals. I found that all Faroese villages were interesting—they reflect the country’s identity, even without the iconic grass-roofed houses. Those are indeed harmonious and beautiful, but they feel like an exotic cliché. For activities, I loved the lively ports that keep the country running.
- I was annoyed by the paid trails in tourist spots. Locals explained that these paths cross private land, and owners are responsible for maintenance and safety. There are plenty of free trails, too—signs at the start detail their features. While not alarmist, the extreme and unpredictable weather is a key factor to consider before setting out.
- The wind’s strength really impressed me. The architecture, with doors and windows opening outward to prevent gusts from blowing roofs off, speaks to the harsh climate. Some days, relentless rain and squalls made going outside unappealing. I realized that in this country, it’s best to plan for flexible indoor days.
- Distances are relatively short. I was happy to be based near Tórshavn because it was easy to explore one or more places in a day. The roads are in great condition. In late March, diesel was 2 €. Tunnel tolls can add up (~26 € per crossing), making a fixed base less practical than I’d thought.
- Everyone agrees: the landscapes are breathtaking. Nature feels untamed here—except for the short grass, thanks to all the woolly sheep.
- The flight from Paris to the Faroe Islands (and back) was long in March—11 hours with three legs: Paris-Amsterdam, Amsterdam-Copenhagen, Copenhagen-Vágar. In bad weather, Vágar Airport can close, causing delays. During tourist season, Atlantic Airways offers a direct Paris-Faroe Islands flight, which is more comfortable and cheaper.
- I found a book recommendation in a guide that fascinated me after my trip: *Les collectionneurs d'images* by Joanes Nielsen. Through its sometimes caricatured characters, it offers a glimpse into Faroese mentalities from the 1950s to 1970s—attitudes that likely persist today.
In conclusion, I’ve traveled a lot and I’m tired of destinations that all start to look the same. The Faroe Islands were a delight—a country stunning in its landscape, climate, and culture, where tourism has barely altered its authenticity.
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip for October to visit Naples (6 nights) and the Amalfi Coast (5 nights). We’ve already got the historic center and the Lapis Museum in Naples, Pompeii, Herculaneum, Procida, Sorrento, and Ravello on our list. Any suggestions, addresses, or tips?
Thanks for your help.
Hello,
We’re heading to Rome from 21/09, arriving in the early afternoon, and returning on 28/09, leaving in the morning. We’ve already booked our flight tickets and our accommodation in the city center: Via Ezio.
I’d love to get your feedback on our itinerary and if there are any visits we should book right now:
Monday 21 afternoon:
Largo di Torre Argentina: a sacred spot for cats.
Tuesday 22:
The Vatican: Vatican Museums and Sistine Chapel in the morning. Afternoon: St. Peter’s Basilica, the dome, and if possible, the necropolis.
Wednesday 23:
Morning: Colosseum, Roman Forum, and Palatine Hill. Afternoon: Trastevere neighborhood and the Monumento a Garibaldi.
Thursday 24:
Piazza Navona, Church of St. Louis of the French, the Pantheon, Campo de’ Fiori, Piazza Venezia, Piazza Santa Maria Maggiore, Trevi Fountain.
Friday 25:
Villa Borghese, Piazza del Popolo, Spanish Steps, Quirinale, Piazza della Repubblica, and Santa Maria degli Angeli.
Saturday 26:
Aventine and Testaccio neighborhoods, the Capuchin Crypt.
Sunday 27:
Ostia.
Monday 28:
Departure.
Are any days too packed, or should we add more visits?
Thanks for your input and help!
Cheers!
Anne
Summer 2027 is going to be Norwegian for us!
We’re heading to the Lofoten Islands first, then Senja, near Tromsø, and finally the North Cape.
We’ll likely start from northern Finland (flight tickets and car rentals are more affordable there).
I’d like to book accommodations early to have more options.
Good value-for-money places go fast in these pricey Nordic destinations...
But where should we book?
We’re planning to stay around ten nights in the Lofoten Islands.
What’s the best approach?
One place in the central part and explore from there?
One place in the south and another in the center?
Or one in the south, one in the center, and one in the north (3-4-3 nights)?
Hi there,
I’m looking for some great tips for a stay in Palma de Mallorca this summer.
I need cheap flights departing from Toulouse and affordable accommodation for 4 people.
What do you recommend?
Best regards,
I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it?
Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA
Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.)
Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town
Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia
Day 7: Ortigia
Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?)
Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional)
Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?)
Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice
Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip)
Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible
Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits
Day 20: The city
Day 21: The city (Monreale?)
Day 22: Options:
- Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello)
- Cefalù (45 min by train)
Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay
D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there
D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there
D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night
D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night
D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda
D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there
D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions:
Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential...
Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day?
Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit.
Have a great day, everyone!
Christine
Hello,
we’re a couple planning a 2-week road trip this August, with a must-stop (about 3 days on Skye). Any route suggestions? Hotel recommendations? Photo spots?
My husband and I are planning a trip to Ireland in September 2026.
We’ll be flying from Montreal to London, where we’ll spend three nights.
After that, we’ll head to Dublin for a few days and take trains to visit the main attractions.
Our ideal plan would be to choose hotels near train stations and take tours to the interesting spots.
Would 8 days in Ireland be enough for this kind of trip?
We’re a group of 4 heading out at the end of June for 11 days.
I’m just starting my research.
We’ll be renting a regular car, not a 4x4.
I’m not finding a ton of info on the North.
Would love your take on all those kilometers—is there a route that lets us cut out a section?
Thanks