Quel est le jour de l'aid el Adaha?
by Huguetter
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour, Je cherche le jour exact du pelerinage du Cheikh Hussein en Ethiopie, un "forumiste" bien renseigne m' a signale qu'il avait lieu 2fois/an, pour 2007 cela serait debut decembre le jour de l' aid el Adaha durant le mois du Hajj .🤪 Malheureusement cela ne repond qu' a moitie a ma question : QUELLE EST LE JOUR EXACT DE L 'AID ADAHA ? Merci a vous de me repondre (si vous le savez 😉 )
il ne peut y avoir de jours exact car c'est un calendrier lunaire. Normalement ca devrait etre soit le 20decembre ou 21 decembre
😛
c est pour 2007 que je t'ai donné la date
😛
je repete de nouveau c'est soit le 20 decembre ou soit le 21 decembre 2007 😉
je repete de nouveau c'est soit le 20 decembre ou soit le 21 decembre 2007 😉
ah bon!!! c'est nouveau ca des fetes religieuses a dates fixes??? en utilisant quel calendrier et quel religion???
meme les fetes catholiques ne sont pas standards pour notre calendrier actuel 😛
ptit rappel: essaie de te rappeler les dates de paques et tu comprendras tres vite
meme les fetes catholiques ne sont pas standards pour notre calendrier actuel 😛
ptit rappel: essaie de te rappeler les dates de paques et tu comprendras tres vite
Et Noel, c'est pas à date fixe, et pàque n'a t'on pas la date deja aujourd'hui pour 2008;
Et pour tout dire, ça m'importe peu, c'etait juste de l'humour.
Et peut etre plus que ça mais bon je prefere en rester là.
Tiens un truc, qui peut etre interessant pour les gens du forum, c'est de connaitre
certaines aniverssaires de Zaouia(musulmanes ou juives), et de s'y trouver à ce moment là.
C'est une autre façon de connaitre le pays .
bonjour huguetter alors le jour du 3id al adha c le 20/12/2007 . inchaallah
bonjour huguetter alors le jour du 3id al adha c le 20/12/2007 . inchaallah
Si on appercoit la lune SINON c'est le 21 decembre 😛
Si on appercoit la lune SINON c'est le 21 decembre 😛
hihihihihihi
arrete de dire n'importe koi. C'est pas a moi de regarder la lune, je pencheras plutot pour toi (meme si c'est pas comme cela - demande à ton pere, lui il sait qui doit regarder la lune)
arrete de dire n'importe koi. C'est pas a moi de regarder la lune, je pencheras plutot pour toi (meme si c'est pas comme cela - demande à ton pere, lui il sait qui doit regarder la lune)
Bonjour
C''est mieux que de l'avoir basse ( la tête) ( je plaisante😉).
amicalement
C''est mieux que de l'avoir basse ( la tête) ( je plaisante😉).
amicalement
"le désert n'est pas silencieux , il parle aux gens qui l'écoutent"
ça fait si longtemps que j'ai ouvert mes yeux, mon pere a les siens clos malheureusement.
Quant à la reponse, ça ne t'etait pas destinée.
Et je ne vois pas ce que mon pere a avoir avec ça.
Bref, c'etait juste pour dire au depart que cette personne serait plus avisée
de s'adresser à un site religieux avec humour mais bon t'as pas capté peut etre
Salut
eh.. oui!!!!!! ça existe😉 j'ai trouvé géniale l'idée des fêtes de zaouïas, ne dites pas que c'est encore de l'humour.😛
eh.. oui!!!!!! ça existe😉 j'ai trouvé géniale l'idée des fêtes de zaouïas, ne dites pas que c'est encore de l'humour.😛
"le désert n'est pas silencieux , il parle aux gens qui l'écoutent"
Non, c'etait serieux pour les gens qui envie ont de decouvrir et connaitre une autre facette
du maghreb(Maroc, ou Algerie), pour le reste je ne connais pas.J'ai assisté à pas mal de ce genre de
rencontres et c'est puissant de sentir tant de ferveur, tout en ressentant beaucoup d'amitié et de tolerance de la part des gens qui me reçevaient .
Dans ce sens un forum (hadra) se tiendra en Algerie ( Une zaouia à Mostaganem) a partir du 15 de ce mois et regroupant des religieux monothesites.
Je te ferai part de ce qu'on va vivre.
"le désert n'est pas silencieux , il parle aux gens qui l'écoutent"
J'utilise généralement ce convertisseur
http://www.orientalement.com/rnd/calendrier-musulman.html
qui à l'expérience s'est révélé le plus exact pour moi.
Il faut savoir que généralement les dates sont données en calendrier de Médine, et comme elles dépendent en réalité de l'observation locale, il peut y avoir une journée de différence quand on s'éloigne un peu. Le Maroc par exemple a une journée de différence, en tout cas pour Ramadan. C'est souvent une question à la fois "religieuse" et politique".
La Date qu'il donnait pour l'AId l'année dernière était la bonne.
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
Bonjour
Lorsque tu donnes une reponse sur ce forum, il faut qu´elle soit juste, exact, serieuse ou s´abstenir. Il ya plusieurs dizaines qui regardent les reponses pour s´informer et apprendre des choses. Tu t´interesses á plusieurs choses et tu ne connais pas le calendrier de ton pays?
Lorsque tu donnes une reponse sur ce forum, il faut qu´elle soit juste, exact, serieuse ou s´abstenir. Il ya plusieurs dizaines qui regardent les reponses pour s´informer et apprendre des choses. Tu t´interesses á plusieurs choses et tu ne connais pas le calendrier de ton pays?
Bonjour
meme a donné une reponse mais qui est valable pour le Maroc. Si je comprend ta question il s´agit de la date en Ethiopie: ds ce cas il faut reculer de 1 jour. Merzgane qui n´est pas musulmane ni marocaine a bien expliqué le calendrier musulman. C´est un calendrier lunaire de 12 mois de 29 ou 30 jours ce qui fait que les dates des 2 calendriers se decalent chaque année de 12 á 13 jours. Au Maroc par ex: il ya ds les bureaux et administrations et en privé les 2 calendriers: calendrier solaire ( janvier, fevrier....) et le calendier lunaire qui n´est pas un calendrier religieux, mais les evenements musulmans se basent sur ce calendrier. Chez les chretiens c´etait plus compliqué et confus, et jusqu´á maintenant. La fin du mois est officielement d´apres l´apparition de la nouvelle lune et cela depend de la sitution geographique et doú la difference de date entre l´Ethiopie et le Maroc par ex. Cependant le calendrier est precis á 1 jour prés.
meme a donné une reponse mais qui est valable pour le Maroc. Si je comprend ta question il s´agit de la date en Ethiopie: ds ce cas il faut reculer de 1 jour. Merzgane qui n´est pas musulmane ni marocaine a bien expliqué le calendrier musulman. C´est un calendrier lunaire de 12 mois de 29 ou 30 jours ce qui fait que les dates des 2 calendriers se decalent chaque année de 12 á 13 jours. Au Maroc par ex: il ya ds les bureaux et administrations et en privé les 2 calendriers: calendrier solaire ( janvier, fevrier....) et le calendier lunaire qui n´est pas un calendrier religieux, mais les evenements musulmans se basent sur ce calendrier. Chez les chretiens c´etait plus compliqué et confus, et jusqu´á maintenant. La fin du mois est officielement d´apres l´apparition de la nouvelle lune et cela depend de la sitution geographique et doú la difference de date entre l´Ethiopie et le Maroc par ex. Cependant le calendrier est precis á 1 jour prés.
calendrier solaire??? surement pas celui que tu decris. Ce calendrier utilisé par les chrétiens et le plus usité dans le monde est le calendrier grégorien.
Il n'est point solaire ce calendrier.
Le calendrier utilisé au maroc en plus du calendrier gregorien est le calendrier musulman qui est basé comme tu l'as dit sur la lune.
Le calendrier utilisé au maroc en plus du calendrier gregorien est le calendrier musulman qui est basé comme tu l'as dit sur la lune.
Tu peux appeler cela gregorien et il ya aussi d´autres appelations, mais c un calendrier surtout solaire car basé sur le systeme solaire.
Comme le calendrier musulman ( pas forcement musulman), c un calendrier lunaire que d´autres civilisatios ou religions utilisent.
Tu peux appeler cela gregorien et il ya aussi d´autres appelations, mais c un calendrier surtout solaire car basé sur le systeme solaire.
Comme le calendrier musulman ( pas forcement musulman), c un calendrier lunaire que d´autres civilisatios ou religions utilisent.
Cela s'appelle grégorien point! Le calendrier modifié par le pape gregoire.😛
le calendrier solaire c'est par exemple celui des mayas...qui n'a absolument rien a voir avec notre calendrier. 😏
Le calendrier musulman pas vraiment musulman???? ah bon d'autres utiliseraient ce meme calendrier???
Je crois que tu fais une grosse confusion entre le terme lunaire et les calendriers en question.
Cela s'appelle grégorien point! Le calendrier modifié par le pape gregoire.😛
le calendrier solaire c'est par exemple celui des mayas...qui n'a absolument rien a voir avec notre calendrier. 😏
Le calendrier musulman pas vraiment musulman???? ah bon d'autres utiliseraient ce meme calendrier???
Je crois que tu fais une grosse confusion entre le terme lunaire et les calendriers en question.
D'ailleurs, ce calendrier qu'on utilise à une jolie histoire car il date des romains qui a été modifié au cours du temps.
Je n´ai pas dit un calendrier pas vraiment musulman. j´ai dit: pas forcement musulman. Parce ´c est un calendrier que les musulmans utilisent et cela ne veut pas dire que c un clendrier religieux ou purement pour les musulmant:C est un calendrier c´est tout. mm "apriori" a commencé a dire qu´il faut aller ds un site religieux......
Je ne contredis pas le fait que l´autre calendrier soit gregorien, jacobien, romain orthodoxe ou autre. Il est scientifiquement solaire. Ce n´est pas Gregoire ni Rome qui a etablit l´equinoxe ou le solstice.
Je ne contredis pas le fait que l´autre calendrier soit gregorien, jacobien, romain orthodoxe ou autre. Il est scientifiquement solaire. Ce n´est pas Gregoire ni Rome qui a etablit l´equinoxe ou le solstice.
Ce calendrier gregorien n'est pas orthodoxe ni jacobin d'ailleurs 😛. Le calendrier orthodoxe est le calendrier julien revisé.
ca serait bcp mieux de te renseigner avant de dire n'importe koi 😏
Ce calendrier gregorien n'est pas orthodoxe ni jacobin d'ailleurs 😛. Le calendrier orthodoxe est le calendrier julien revisé.
ca serait bcp mieux de te renseigner avant de dire n'importe koi 😏
pour les musulmans c'est bien un calendrier musulman.
D'ailleurs l'autre calendrier dont tu fais reference au maroc est bien un calendrier musulman qui est utilisé.
ma chere, il n y a aucunes contreverses. C'est simplement que des gens melanges un peu les choses.
donc pour resumer c'est soit le 20 decembre ou bien le 21 😛
donc pour resumer c'est soit le 20 decembre ou bien le 21 😛
Cher "APRIORI " (tu l' as choisi part hazard ? ça te colle plutot bien 😉 ) Pourquoi veux-tu que j' aille sur un cite religieux pour trouver une date du calendrier musulman ? Pour avoir la date du dimanche de Pentecote tu cherches sur un cite religieux toi ? Par contre un petit conseil de voyageur a voyageur :une petite fete peut transformer ton voyage .Alors va donc au Timkat en Ethiopie, au nouvel an tibetain a Labrang, a la fete du lac Inle en Birmanie et encore a Coyllur Ritti au Perou et j' en passe..... 😉.Je n' ais jamais trouvè aucune date sur un calendrier religieux mais grace a de nombreux autres voyageurs qui eux savaient de quoi ils parlaient et ne parlaient pas pour ne rien dire 😛
Moi si je voulais savoir les fetes juives, catho, ou musulmanes, ou autres pelerinages tibetains, je m'adresserais à un site en consequence.
Deja les theologiens et les scientifiques n'arrivent pas à prevoir
les mois lunaires à un jour pres, alors n'esperes pas trouver un reponse
ici ou ailleurs.
Par contre tu peux savoir les dates des fetes annuelles des marabouts(juifs ou
musulmans ) qui sont celebrées au Maroc, ça correspond au calendrier gregorien.
Et quand il s'agit de spirituel, on n'est pas à un jour pres.
Deja les theologiens et les scientifiques n'arrivent pas à prevoir
les mois lunaires à un jour pres, alors n'esperes pas trouver un reponse
ici ou ailleurs.
Je ne vois pas ce que vient faire les scientifiques la dedans. Si on ne peut pas prevoir à une journee près c'est peut-etre que c'est variable??? voila la regle: le jour est bien connu mais avec la contrainte que ce jour-ci on doit pouvoir voir la lune (sans rentrer du pourquoi et par qui). Si on ne le voie pas la fete se deroule le lendemain. C'est aussi simple que cela! peut etre que tu pourrais inventer un modele qui permettrait de predire si la lune sera observable ce jour la ou pas!!!! on te donnera peut-etre la medaille fields pour cela.
Je ne vois pas ce que vient faire les scientifiques la dedans. Si on ne peut pas prevoir à une journee près c'est peut-etre que c'est variable??? voila la regle: le jour est bien connu mais avec la contrainte que ce jour-ci on doit pouvoir voir la lune (sans rentrer du pourquoi et par qui). Si on ne le voie pas la fete se deroule le lendemain. C'est aussi simple que cela! peut etre que tu pourrais inventer un modele qui permettrait de predire si la lune sera observable ce jour la ou pas!!!! on te donnera peut-etre la medaille fields pour cela.
T'inquietes pas puisque vois-tu je l'ais trouve sur le forum ma date de l' aid et de toutes les autres fetes mentionnees plus haut 😏 Toi tu fais comme tu veux ! et les autres aussi 😛.Ma question etait :la date de l' aid el Adaha .La SEULE reponse a cette question c' est :20/12/2007 .Tout le reste BLA BLA BLA BLA .................
😛 Eh non ma chere, tu as 50% que ca soit ce jour la! hihihihiihi sinon le lendemain
c est pas grave tu as la date mais pour la fete il faut etre patient d'une journee d'incertitude 😏😏😏
c est pas grave tu as la date mais pour la fete il faut etre patient d'une journee d'incertitude 😏😏😏
Voila comment rendre merdique à souhait une question qui n'amene qu'une réponse précise !!
Je pense qu'il devrait etre créé une rubrique "café du commerce" ou se réuniraient les pseudos spécialistes, qui mélangent tous les sujets, mais qui répondront toujours sans prendre le temps de lire et de se renseigner.
http://www.mosquee-lyon.org/?cat=Calendrier
Voila pour une mosquée francaise, 20 décembre, cela peut varier de + ou - 1 jour selon les pays et meme selon les obédiences. Et pour certains pays, on ne le sait meme pas la veille, du vécu pendant 10 ans et plus !
Je pense qu'il devrait etre créé une rubrique "café du commerce" ou se réuniraient les pseudos spécialistes, qui mélangent tous les sujets, mais qui répondront toujours sans prendre le temps de lire et de se renseigner.
http://www.mosquee-lyon.org/?cat=Calendrier
Voila pour une mosquée francaise, 20 décembre, cela peut varier de + ou - 1 jour selon les pays et meme selon les obédiences. Et pour certains pays, on ne le sait meme pas la veille, du vécu pendant 10 ans et plus !
Bon alors c'est très simple.
Scientifiquement parlant, on arrive à prévoir des mois et des années à l'avance, et il ne faut quand même pas oublier à quels point kes arabes ont fait avancer l'astronomie.
Néanmoins, comme c'est une question religieuse, il y a deux choses qui s'appliquent.
La première qui est de dire que comme Allah maitrise tout et tout est inch allah, on ne peut pas commettre le péché de dire exactement quand sera l'Aïd ou tout autre date, puisque tout est dans la main de Dieu La deuxième est que la règle religieuse pour dire quand commence le mois lunaire est celle de l'observation physique de la lune. Or celle ci peut être empêchée par des conditions météo défavorables par exemple.
Dans ce cas là, on peut avoir un jour de flottement (faut pas oublier que c'est Medine qui décide, et avoir le ciel couvert de nuages deux jours de suite dans cette région, c'est plutôt rare). Néanmoins, au cas où... il est dit clairement que si l'observation n'est pas possible, néanmoins les mois commencent au plus tard quand 30 jours après le début du mois précédent, et en d'autres termes pour Ramadan que le jeune ne peut pas durer plus de trente jours. Ce qui est une marge raisonnable pour un mois lunaire.
Enfin, au cas om l'observation contredirait les calculs scientifiques, elle ne devrait pas être prise en compte.
C'est ainsi que les musulmans allient la rigueur scientifique avec le respect de la volonté de Dieu.
Maintenant, concrètement, j'ai toujours vu les fêtes avoir lieu aux dates prévues. Car Dieu est suffisamment bon pour ne pas faire joujou avec les luminaires, sauf de façon exceptionnelle, une fois tous les 2.000 ans à peu près...
Scientifiquement parlant, on arrive à prévoir des mois et des années à l'avance, et il ne faut quand même pas oublier à quels point kes arabes ont fait avancer l'astronomie.
Néanmoins, comme c'est une question religieuse, il y a deux choses qui s'appliquent.
La première qui est de dire que comme Allah maitrise tout et tout est inch allah, on ne peut pas commettre le péché de dire exactement quand sera l'Aïd ou tout autre date, puisque tout est dans la main de Dieu La deuxième est que la règle religieuse pour dire quand commence le mois lunaire est celle de l'observation physique de la lune. Or celle ci peut être empêchée par des conditions météo défavorables par exemple.
Dans ce cas là, on peut avoir un jour de flottement (faut pas oublier que c'est Medine qui décide, et avoir le ciel couvert de nuages deux jours de suite dans cette région, c'est plutôt rare). Néanmoins, au cas où... il est dit clairement que si l'observation n'est pas possible, néanmoins les mois commencent au plus tard quand 30 jours après le début du mois précédent, et en d'autres termes pour Ramadan que le jeune ne peut pas durer plus de trente jours. Ce qui est une marge raisonnable pour un mois lunaire.
Enfin, au cas om l'observation contredirait les calculs scientifiques, elle ne devrait pas être prise en compte.
C'est ainsi que les musulmans allient la rigueur scientifique avec le respect de la volonté de Dieu.
Maintenant, concrètement, j'ai toujours vu les fêtes avoir lieu aux dates prévues. Car Dieu est suffisamment bon pour ne pas faire joujou avec les luminaires, sauf de façon exceptionnelle, une fois tous les 2.000 ans à peu près...
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
... Dieu est suffisamment bon pour ne pas faire joujou avec les luminaires, sauf de façon exceptionnelle, une fois tous les 2.000 ans à peu près...
C'est ce que j'ai essayé d'expliquer si tu lis bien mes messages: la date c'est le 20 decembre sinon le 21 si la lune est pas visible.
Par contre je ne sais pas d'où tu sors les 2000ans 😮 il n y a rien d'exceptionnel tous les 2000 ans. Si tu veux parler du correction du calendrier pour un ajustement du calendrier gregorien c'est tous les 100ans ma chere et tous les 400ans il n y a pas d'ajustement du calendrier (année bixestile).
C'est ce que j'ai essayé d'expliquer si tu lis bien mes messages: la date c'est le 20 decembre sinon le 21 si la lune est pas visible.
Par contre je ne sais pas d'où tu sors les 2000ans 😮 il n y a rien d'exceptionnel tous les 2000 ans. Si tu veux parler du correction du calendrier pour un ajustement du calendrier gregorien c'est tous les 100ans ma chere et tous les 400ans il n y a pas d'ajustement du calendrier (année bixestile).
Quand je dis que Dieu fait joujou avec les luminaires à peu près tous les 2000 ans, il s'agit d'une ironie par rapport àce qui est écrit dans la bible et das l'évangile, et ça n'a rien à voir avec l'ajustement du calendrier.
Piste de recherche.... Josué et les murailles de Jericho, le Déluge, et les phénomènes "nuit en plein jour" au moment de la crucifixion. Après c'est peut être tous les 1700 ans ou les 5000 en fait j'en sais trop rien. C'était du second degré
Piste de recherche.... Josué et les murailles de Jericho, le Déluge, et les phénomènes "nuit en plein jour" au moment de la crucifixion. Après c'est peut être tous les 1700 ans ou les 5000 en fait j'en sais trop rien. C'était du second degré
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
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Even though I come to Morocco four times a year, it’s been a long time since I’ve made the trip by car. I need to refresh my knowledge! I’ll be traveling in early October. I have a car that’s about 20 years old. The plan is to cross via Algeciras/Ceuta.
A few questions:
1) Does this crossing still exist? If so, do I need to buy the ticket in advance or on the spot? From whom? Any advice is welcome!
2) What documents are required for the car?
3) If anyone is making the trip around the same time, it could be fun to drive together 😊
I know there are experts on this forum.
Thanks in advance
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency. If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling. We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback! Safe travels to all, Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency. If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling. We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback! Safe travels to all, Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
Hi there,
I’m looking for some friendly recommendations for places to stay in Marrakech for 3 nights in June 2026.
In the meantime, have a great day, everyone! Thanks so much in advance.
hi,
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day
I’m planning to take the SETE-TANGER ferry with my car.
No agency in my town sells tickets.
Has anyone done this before and can point me in the right direction?
Thanks in advance.
have a good day
Good evening, everyone!
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
I’m reaching out to gather your thoughts on an itinerary (10 days... or more?) I’d like to do at the beginning of June 🙂.
Just so you know, I’m planning to do this trip solo (25 years old), using only public transport and just a backpack. I’ve already been to Marrakech and climbed Mount Toubkal two years ago...
I’ll be arriving in Tangier. Day 1-2: Explore the city center, hike around Cap Spartel... Day 3: Stop in Tetouan Day 4-5-6: Chefchaouen and a day hike in the Rif Mountains Day 6-7: Discover the city of Fes (I’ve heard so many great things!!) Day 8: Stop in Meknes and possibly visit the historic site of Volubilis Day 9-10: Rabat (I’ve heard mixed things... some good, some bad) After that, I have the choice of heading back to Tangier for my return flight... or going down to Agadir (also a possible return flight) and extending my trip by 5 days :)
From what I can tell, everything is well connected by bus (CTM) or train (ONCF). Another question: Is the vibe in Moroccan youth hostels for meeting people the same as what you’d find in Western Europe?
Thanks in advance for your replies and your kindness! 😊
Tickets for entry to Majorelle Garden are only issued online via an official site
(though there are fraudulent sites out there). On the official site, they ask for legitimate info
(name, nationality, etc.). What made me go "hmm" was the request for both an email address
AND a password (with confirmation). Is this normal?
Thanks for your replies.
Hi there, a group of girlfriends and I are heading to Tunisia. We’d love to know how much cash we should bring for 6 days, considering everything’s already paid for at the hotel. Thanks for your tips!
Hi everyone! :)
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Bonjour,
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Connaissez vous l'adresse d'une distillerie de fleurs de roses ds la vallée des roses / kelaa M Gouna. Une distillerie traditionnelle, pas uniquement la boutique à touristes.
Merci bp
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!